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 Samuel L Jackson
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 Re: 14 Peruvian Shamans Murdered [Re: flickedbic]
#15200585 - 10/09/11 12:56 PM (7 months, 16 days ago) |
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youre making scatterbrained points which hold no actual weight... i think youre well on youre way to sounding like some burnt out old man just like terrence mckenna.
-SamuelLJackson
You say so; it appears others think differently.
well, if you want to take this debate out of the context of the forum, many more people side with me than with you and the rest of the "shamans" or "hippies" or whatever you like to refer to yourselves as.
take this:
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Just because one's reality tunnel changes when dreaming or tripping; does not make it a false experience; only a different one than usual.
and go tell that to people on the street. tell me how many of them laugh at you.
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 Kickle
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OrgoneConclusion said:
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So much for second sight and warnings from dead ancestors. It turns out that shamanic visions are only in your head and do not come from another realm.
Damn that sucks. There goes a lot of interesting unwritten history.
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Icelander
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Re: 14 Peruvian Shamans Murdered [Re: Humility]
#15200823 - 10/09/11 01:44 PM (7 months, 16 days ago) |
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Humility said:
Life must suck when you don't reason/contemplate logically. Makes you go through a lot of hubub that isn't necessary.
You walk down roads that lead to dead ends because you're constantly looking at your feet.
This response says nothing worthwhile in this debate. It's a personal attack and nothing more. 
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"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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Sly Stone
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Re: 14 Peruvian Shamans Murdered [Re: Icelander]
#15200831 - 10/09/11 01:46 PM (7 months, 16 days ago) |
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Icelander said:
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Humility said:
Life must suck when you don't reason/contemplate logically. Makes you go through a lot of hubub that isn't necessary.
You walk down roads that lead to dead ends because you're constantly looking at your feet.
This response says nothing worthwhile in this debate. It's a personal attack and nothing more.
This response says nothing worthwhile in this debate. It's a personal attack and nothing more.
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Icelander
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Re: 14 Peruvian Shamans Murdered [Re: Sly Stone]
#15200861 - 10/09/11 01:50 PM (7 months, 16 days ago) |
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No it's not a personal attack. It's a statement of fact. I have nothing against the poster nor am I angry.
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― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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OrgoneConclusion
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LegitStupidity said:
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OrgoneConclusion said:
For those unfamiliar with the English language or how to use a dictionary:
Protection is the state of being guarded or shielded from exposure, injury, damage, or destruction.
Being murdered is generally considered a form of injury. To say otherwise is serious word-raping.
Anything else you need help with?
Your point is irrelevant, the protection they are talking about there is a protection of your inner self, not of physical being. I can tell now you are just replying to be right. Sorry for offending you, have a nice day. 
A dead person has no inner self as it has been destroyed. Keep trying though...
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flickedbic
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Re: 14 Peruvian Shamans Murdered [Re: Sly Stone]
#15200896 - 10/09/11 01:56 PM (7 months, 16 days ago) |
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on drugs i often feel the supposed connectedness of everything. strangely enough, i never feel that when i dont have a ton of hallucinogens coursing through my veins.
Ever hear of quantum entaglement?
Speak of it to the man on the street he may laugh...
Speak of it to a physicist and you may have a good convo...
Just because something is ridiculed does not make it incorrect; in fact, in my experience, that is usually the step before acceptance.
COMMON "NEW INFORMATION" ASSIMILATION PROCESS OF THE MAN ON THE STREET:
Step 1. Ignore.
Step 2. Ridicule.
Step 3. Accept as self-evident.
This is an especially common treatment of new info/ideas that challenge the common "reality tunnels"/ Maps of the World of the individuals in question.
Blessings.
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All readable matter in the above post is ficticious.
Any similarities to real life are purely coincidental.
"All I know is that I know nothing". -Socrates
Without prejudice.
Edited by flickedbic (10/09/11 02:10 PM)
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OrgoneConclusion
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Re: 14 Peruvian Shamans Murdered [Re: flickedbic]
#15200914 - 10/09/11 02:01 PM (7 months, 16 days ago) |
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Homeopathy:
Step 1. Refute.
Step 2. Ridicule.
Step 3. Ignore.
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Samuel L Jackson
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Re: 14 Peruvian Shamans Murdered [Re: flickedbic]
#15200957 - 10/09/11 02:11 PM (7 months, 16 days ago) |
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flickedbic said:
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on drugs i often feel the supposed connectedness of everything. strangely enough, i never feel that when i dont have a ton of hallucinogens coursing through my veins.
Ever hear of quantum entaglement?
Speak of it to the man on the street he may laugh...
Speak of it to a physicist and you may have a good convo...
Just because something is ridiculed does not make it incorrect; in fact, in my experience, that is usually the step before acceptance.
fortunately quantum entanglement has physical evidence supporting it, unlike the suggestions you keep making in this thread.
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Sly Stone
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1. Collect Underpants
2. ?
3. Profit
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flickedbic
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fortunately quantum entanglement has physical evidence supporting it
...as well as your experiences while in altered states.
Blessings.
P.S.: A growing body of research evidence that homeopathic medicines have clinical effects:
http://www.homeopathy-soh.org/research/evidence-base-for-homeopathy-2/evidence-base-for-homeopathy/
Just thought it was interesting.
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All readable matter in the above post is ficticious.
Any similarities to real life are purely coincidental.
"All I know is that I know nothing". -Socrates
Without prejudice.
Edited by flickedbic (10/09/11 02:36 PM)
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OrgoneConclusion
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Re: 14 Peruvian Shamans Murdered [Re: Sly Stone]
#15201061 - 10/09/11 02:32 PM (7 months, 16 days ago) |
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Sly Stone said:
1. Collect Underpants
2. ?
3. Profit
Soiled J Lo's are fetching upwards of $1500.
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Samuel L Jackson
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Re: 14 Peruvian Shamans Murdered [Re: flickedbic]
#15201075 - 10/09/11 02:35 PM (7 months, 16 days ago) |
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fortunately quantum entanglement has physical evidence supporting it
...as well as your experiences while in altered states.
Blessings.
P.S.: A growing body of research evidence that homeopathic medicines have clinical effects:
as for my experiences in an altered state, i dont see any physical evidence that i am one with the rocks or that i am the result of some cruel experiment undertaken by beings outside of this plane of existence.
yea. sugar pills have effects too. its called a placebo.
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Kickle
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are you suggesting we understand placebo?
I often see people say "ya, placebo!" as if that means something.
I haven't seen anything that suggests we know wtf is going on with placebo.
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Cups
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SamuelLJackson said:
well, when you can tell me in what fundamental way my life has been changed by taking drugs you come back here and tell me about it and i'll give it some more thought.
While I do appreciate you acknowledging my psychic abilities, for the sake of argument let's pretend like I didn't even know you existed until earlier this morning. 
How am I supposed to hop into your mind and tell you that precisely? That's your job.
An observation- I don't know what you thought before you started taking the drugs...but judging solely from this thread it would seem that your experiences have convinced you that they have no "real world" applications and that people who believe they do are "weak willed" morons.
That would seem to be a direct result of your experiences IMO.
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SamuelLJackson said:on drugs i often feel the supposed connectedness of everything. strangely enough, i never feel that when i dont have a ton of hallucinogens coursing through my veins. thus, i dont run around spouting that we are all one being subjectively experiencing its self as if its fact.
So as a thought experiment- What do you think would happen if one day you did have a full blown Unity experience off drugs, sitting on your couch? 
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flickedbic
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Yea sugar-pills they work great. Richard Bandler tried to create a product called PLACEBO that worked better than whatever medicine for whatever ailment 50% of the time! 
(Paraphrasing)
I feel the "placebo effect" is a tribute to the power of the mind.
Blessings.
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All readable matter in the above post is ficticious.
Any similarities to real life are purely coincidental.
"All I know is that I know nothing". -Socrates
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Samuel L Jackson
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Re: 14 Peruvian Shamans Murdered [Re: Kickle]
#15201114 - 10/09/11 02:42 PM (7 months, 16 days ago) |
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nowhere in my post did i say that.
it still doesnt negate the fact that the placebo effect exists.
you cant attribute the medicinal properties of a "medicine" that doesnt even contain any molecules of the original medicine in a dose to that "medicine". if homeopathic medicine works than i should be able to go dilute down some tabs of acid until there are zero molecule of acid in each dose and still trip my ass off when i take the extremely dilute liquid.
if you want, ill bet you $50 that it doesnt work, but only because i would like compensation for wasting my doses just to prove it.
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Kickle
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nowhere in my post did i say that.
it still doesnt negate the fact that the placebo effect exists.
you cant attribute the medicinal properties of a "medicine" that doesnt even contain any molecules of the original medicine in a dose to that "medicine". if homeopathic medicine works than i should be able to go dilute down some tabs of acid until there are zero molecule of acid in each dose and still trip my ass off when i take the extremely dilute liquid.
if you want, ill bet you $50 that it doesnt work, but only because i would like compensation for wasting my doses just to prove it.
See. You have a fixed idea of what placebo is. The literature suggests there is no fixed definition. Placebo is a catch-all phrase for a treatment that works despite expected requirements and more and more treatments and effects get lumped into it all the time. There is record of a placebo surgery, a placebo brain surgery for Parkinson's disease, that resulted in the same effects as an actual brain surgery. There is no readily available explanation for it. It defies what we know about the brain. It isn't chemical as the structure needed to release the chemicals is damaged and resulting in Parkinson's. And after the placebo surgery the area is still damaged. The behavioral change noticed is unexplained.
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dustinthewind13
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SamuelLJackson said:
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flickedbic said:
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fortunately quantum entanglement has physical evidence supporting it
...as well as your experiences while in altered states.
Blessings.
P.S.: A growing body of research evidence that homeopathic medicines have clinical effects:
as for my experiences in an altered state, i dont see any physical evidence that i am one with the rocks or that i am the result of some cruel experiment undertaken by beings outside of this plane of existence.
yea. sugar pills have effects too. its called a placebo.
I don't think all altered states are useless, but I do believe it's placebo. I don't mind experiencing placebos, as long as they're free. Psychadelics aren't, but if you get what you are paying for, then it's a very fun placebo.
I remember someone posting this song on the shroomery. It feels on topic. 
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A friend of the devil is a friend of mine"
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Samuel L Jackson
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Re: 14 Peruvian Shamans Murdered [Re: Kickle]
#15201208 - 10/09/11 02:59 PM (7 months, 16 days ago) |
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Kickle said:
See. You have a fixed idea of what placebo is. The literature suggests there is no fixed definition. Placebo is a catch-all phrase for a treatment that works despite expected requirements and more and more treatments and effects get lumped into it all the time.
i did not know of those examples but had you told me about them i would have called them placebo.
you assumed my only idea of placebo was sugar pills. or if you were speaking based upon my acid bet, that was aimed at disproof of homeopathic medication actually working by legit means. sure, maybe it works via placebo. i never suggested it didnt. me knowing that the dilute acid contains no acid removes the placebo effect and puts the focus on the fact that homeopathic medicines are supposed to work because they contain "remnant vibrations" from the molecules which used to be present.
neat stuff on the surgeries though.
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