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c0sm0nautt


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Money as Dark Magic
#15183296 - 10/05/11 06:54 PM (7 months, 20 days ago) |
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While rarely discussed in the mainstream media, an awakening is currently underway: More and more people are coming to realize that what we use as money is not some natural force or omnipotent being, but a magic spell. This spell is maintained by the oracles and high priests of finance from their well-guarded temples -- the banks and treasuries -- where they alchemically transmute little bits of paper or blips of data into valuable artifacts, using occult symbol, incantation, and numerical abracadabra. Indeed, what the financial sorcerers fear more than anything is a collective loss of faith in the abstruse and arcane instruments they use to bind the great human mob in invisible chains of debt, servitude, and scarcity.
Excerpt from the intro of a new book. Here is the full introduction here: http://www.realitysandwich.com/impossible_alternative
What do you all think? Personally I feel the survival of our species depends on us moving away from the current capitalist-money as debt model. Let the ideas reverberate through the noosphere.
-------------------- astralsun.blogspot.com
The intuitive mind is a sacred gift, and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant, and has forgotten the gift. - Albert Einstein

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c0sm0nautt


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Another excerpt I enjoyed:
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As the design scientist Buckminster Fuller noted, most of the work that our society creates produces no real benefit for the earth, and in fact subtracts from it. Most of the work we do requires pointless expenditures of energy and makes more waste. Rather than having people drive to jobs and use up endless Styrofoam containers and toner cartridges, it would be cheaper -- in the real terms of the vitality and thrive-ability of the earth -- to subsidize them to remain in their home communities, support them to grow their own food, foster permaculture projects to increase biodiversity, and encourage them to educate themselves and their children, to make art and perform ritual if they felt so inclined, and to generally celebrate the sacred mystery of being with a minimum of interference.
-------------------- astralsun.blogspot.com
The intuitive mind is a sacred gift, and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant, and has forgotten the gift. - Albert Einstein

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EAPoe
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the illimunati are all wizards so i would not be surprised
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oojijimoo
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Re: Money as Dark Magic [Re: EAPoe]
#15183775 - 10/05/11 08:26 PM (7 months, 20 days ago) |
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money is just a societally consecrated unit of power.
it would be a lot better if power wasn't held down in material form, since like love it is a very immaterial force.
can you imagine if love were somehow materialized like that? well for some confused folks i think it is....as money! but fuck that! money really cannot buy happiness (if happiness=love).
it's all in our heads but people insist on this physical token. That's why i think the transition to a more electronic economy is actually a good thing.
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Icelander
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c0sm0nautt said:
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While rarely discussed in the mainstream media, an awakening is currently underway: More and more people are coming to realize that what we use as money is not some natural force or omnipotent being, but a magic spell. This spell is maintained by the oracles and high priests of finance from their well-guarded temples -- the banks and treasuries -- where they alchemically transmute little bits of paper or blips of data into valuable artifacts, using occult symbol, incantation, and numerical abracadabra. Indeed, what the financial sorcerers fear more than anything is a collective loss of faith in the abstruse and arcane instruments they use to bind the great human mob in invisible chains of debt, servitude, and scarcity.
Excerpt from the intro of a new book. Here is the full introduction here: http://www.realitysandwich.com/impossible_alternative
What do you all think? Personally I feel the survival of our species depends on us moving away from the current capitalist-money as debt model. Let the ideas reverberate through the noosphere.
No species survives.
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“What is the ideal for mental health, then? A lived, compelling illusion that does not lie about life, death, and reality; one honest enough to follow its own commandments: I mean, not to kill, not to take the lives of others to justify itself.”
― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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birdland

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Re: Money as Dark Magic [Re: Icelander]
#15185336 - 10/06/11 07:11 AM (7 months, 20 days ago) |
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There's some pretty old species still around though. Not endangered or anything.
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AlteredAgain
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I immediately ordered this book after viewing your thread. I'm almost finished with this book right now

which basically touches base on the content of your second excerpt by Bucky.
Lately I have been really trying to wrap my head around the nature and functioning of capitalism, getting to understand it in layman's terms, knowing the ground of it. The demonstrations in NYC and around the country have spiked my interest in this, bringing me to ask questions on a daily basis.
I'm pretty sure we must get to the very root of a problem in order to even begin solving it. I do think of capitalism as a huge systemic problem. It only takes simple common sense to know that a system requiring an ever increasing need of resources can never survive in a world of limited resources. That's beside the fact that the capitalist model is a total pyramid scheme that trickles wealth upwards and concentrates it into the hands of a few. It can only do this through exploitation, exploitation of resources, exploitation of labor, and whoever resists or doesn't play by the rules is excluded and not rarely labeled a criminal.
Work is what this system needs to keep functioning, that is not the kind of work that human beings have been doing for the majority of time they have been living on this earth, such as hunting, gathering, and bartering. No, work as in labor, wage labor, or wage slavery, however you want to put it. I think that's a good place to start searching for answers.
There is a deep stigma against people who contest the idea of work being necessary for society. I challenge this by saying that it is really necessary for capitalism. Work is necessary to keep wealth unequally distributed, necessary to create the highest profits at the lowest price, no matter the ecological consequences.
Let us break the ideological union of consumer and producer in our society and take a good look at who benefits. Who are we producing for? Is it benefiting the quality of life of the ecology of this beautiful planet or is it benefiting the lives of a small handful of human beings who have long surpassed their necessities?
Peace to all. Always remember what you're fighting for.
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Icelander
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Re: Money as Dark Magic [Re: birdland]
#15185537 - 10/06/11 08:07 AM (7 months, 20 days ago) |
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birdland said: There's some pretty old species still around though. Not endangered or anything.
They won't last.
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“What is the ideal for mental health, then? A lived, compelling illusion that does not lie about life, death, and reality; one honest enough to follow its own commandments: I mean, not to kill, not to take the lives of others to justify itself.”
― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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desert father
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i suggest to you
NO LOGO - naomi klein
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Kickle
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Quote:
c0sm0nautt said:
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While rarely discussed in the mainstream media, an awakening is currently underway: More and more people are coming to realize that what we use as money is not some natural force or omnipotent being, but a magic spell. This spell is maintained by the oracles and high priests of finance from their well-guarded temples -- the banks and treasuries -- where they alchemically transmute little bits of paper or blips of data into valuable artifacts, using occult symbol, incantation, and numerical abracadabra. Indeed, what the financial sorcerers fear more than anything is a collective loss of faith in the abstruse and arcane instruments they use to bind the great human mob in invisible chains of debt, servitude, and scarcity.
Excerpt from the intro of a new book. Here is the full introduction here: http://www.realitysandwich.com/impossible_alternative
What do you all think? Personally I feel the survival of our species depends on us moving away from the current capitalist-money as debt model. Let the ideas reverberate through the noosphere.
I have no idea if that's what's going on or not. I don't believe in money as a force but I do believe in survival as a force embodied in the symbol of money. If money is no longer the symbol, something else will be. And when that happens people will collect massive amounts of the symbol under the misguided notion that the more symbolic survival they have, the more likely they are to survive
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Icelander
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Re: Money as Dark Magic [Re: Kickle]
#15185619 - 10/06/11 08:30 AM (7 months, 20 days ago) |
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Somebody had to say it.
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“What is the ideal for mental health, then? A lived, compelling illusion that does not lie about life, death, and reality; one honest enough to follow its own commandments: I mean, not to kill, not to take the lives of others to justify itself.”
― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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Kickle
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Re: Money as Dark Magic [Re: Icelander]
#15185711 - 10/06/11 08:58 AM (7 months, 20 days ago) |
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somewhere between gods and beasts. But closer to beasts.
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Icelander
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Re: Money as Dark Magic [Re: Kickle]
#15185793 - 10/06/11 09:23 AM (7 months, 20 days ago) |
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at least we know beasts exist.
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“What is the ideal for mental health, then? A lived, compelling illusion that does not lie about life, death, and reality; one honest enough to follow its own commandments: I mean, not to kill, not to take the lives of others to justify itself.”
― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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Kickle
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Re: Money as Dark Magic [Re: Icelander]
#15185817 - 10/06/11 09:30 AM (7 months, 20 days ago) |
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Not every beast is as it seems
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BlueCoyote
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The more people are made dependent on money, the more money can be used to enforce that 'dark magic' way. Of course that's what the illuminati strive for as most the banks and politicians are under their will.
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oojijimoo
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capitalism being run on debt is really the same thing as being run on death.
Why? It denies the infinite possibility of the moment in a very fundamental way.
Your time is not your own. You are in debt. Your power is not your own.
I don't personally have any debts, but I'm still in debt. I'm going to school, my parents have a mortgage, I'm still chained to society and my time cannot fully flow according to my own being.
Luckily, the route away from all this is here right now. Who you are is outside all of it
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Re: Money as Dark Magic [Re: oojijimoo]
#15185924 - 10/06/11 09:59 AM (7 months, 20 days ago) |
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How could anyone ever be free from debt? We consume energy constantly and so are constantly requiring more. We're always in debt to a food source in one form or another. Not to mention all the other ways we are naturally in debt just by nature of being alive. We are debters from the get go on a limited supply of time that is always getting shorter.
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Icelander
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Re: Money as Dark Magic [Re: oojijimoo]
#15185932 - 10/06/11 10:02 AM (7 months, 20 days ago) |
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guruu said: capitalism being run on debt is really the same thing as being run on death.
Why? It denies the infinite possibility of the moment in a very fundamental way.
Your time is not your own. You are in debt. Your power is not your own.
I don't personally have any debts, but I'm still in debt. I'm going to school, my parents have a mortgage, I'm still chained to society and my time cannot fully flow according to my own being.
Luckily, the route away from all this is here right now. Who you are is outside all of it
Do you really think it's ever been different? Even in a wild primitive state?
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“What is the ideal for mental health, then? A lived, compelling illusion that does not lie about life, death, and reality; one honest enough to follow its own commandments: I mean, not to kill, not to take the lives of others to justify itself.”
― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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oojijimoo
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Re: Money as Dark Magic [Re: Kickle]
#15185933 - 10/06/11 10:02 AM (7 months, 20 days ago) |
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okay fair enough. in a broader sense i do believe it is possible to free yourself from all cosmic imperative.
However there is no logical reason for society to place us in more debt, other than to keep us down. That's the problem, is people trying to keep us down and keep us in debt. We all need to rise up together, and keeping others down really keeps you down ultimately.
Basically the very fact of debt and interest and all that bullshit is that it's just a game we're voluntarily playing, for the benefit of....well, idk.
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oojijimoo
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Re: Money as Dark Magic [Re: Icelander]
#15185936 - 10/06/11 10:03 AM (7 months, 20 days ago) |
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Icelander said:
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guruu said: capitalism being run on debt is really the same thing as being run on death.
Why? It denies the infinite possibility of the moment in a very fundamental way.
Your time is not your own. You are in debt. Your power is not your own.
I don't personally have any debts, but I'm still in debt. I'm going to school, my parents have a mortgage, I'm still chained to society and my time cannot fully flow according to my own being.
Luckily, the route away from all this is here right now. Who you are is outside all of it
Do you really think it's ever been different? Even in a wild primitive state?
Yes, I think it's possible that nature could exist purely for our benefit, and the same goes for society.
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