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Thoughts on Mayan imagery in trips
    #15179844 - 10/05/11 05:42 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

i myself have experienced visuals on cubes multiple times of vast mayan temples and architecture, and ive heard it mentioned in many trip reports (mostly mescaline).

Ive been wondering a lot about why that particularly... im still trying to come to my own conclusion on why and if this generates interest ill share my thoughts with you, but do any of you shroomerites have any thoughts on the subject? or any experiences with seeing mayan imagery while tripping?


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Re: Thoughts on Mayan imagery in trips [Re: deadhor5]
    #15179850 - 10/05/11 05:47 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

i do!!

and i see hindu, tibetan. i see all that stuff. i've only tripped twice but i got really crazy visuals. like... detailed stuff. i wish i could draw it. i should. i'm pretty good at drawing. but it never sat still. the visuals kept morphing into more and more....

and i saw a red dragon... it blew fire on me....


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Re: Thoughts on Mayan imagery in trips [Re: pachoo]
    #15179856 - 10/05/11 05:56 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

hahaha i definately know what you mean! If i could draw, even one frame of one of my CEVs it would be the most epic creation ive ever made haha. I also see lots of other styles (all of them older civilizations) but that mayan temple style is always the most prominent, or common, especially on my higher dose mushroom trips.


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Re: Thoughts on Mayan imagery in trips [Re: pachoo] * 1
    #15179861 - 10/05/11 06:06 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I will explain my theory briefly...
All the Aztec, Mayan and Incan peoples were into psychedelics for visionary purposes and spiritual guidance. Ergo they made their temples and images based off what they saw in their sacred visions. I too have seen patterns that resemble many Mayan and Incan images while on natural psychedelics. Another one is the rainbow serpent of Australian Aboriginal dreamtime... While on Aussie native shrooms I myself have experienced plenty of hallucinations of rainbows, particularly big long twisty ones not unlike a certain rainbow serpent.

Now I dont expect this to be completely correct but surely there is something of what I said to be true, at least in part. An interesting experiment would be to give these different natural psychedelics such as peyote, cubes, salvia and Ausssie P. Subs to someone who has never seen any of these types of images before. Then we could see if they come to hallucinate the same type of patterns as seen in the images previously mentioned, with attention paid to the origin of the substance used in relation to the origins of the patterns and visions experienced.


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Re: Thoughts on Mayan imagery in trips [Re: deadhor5]
    #15179883 - 10/05/11 06:23 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I have always had Egyptian style visuals.  My first cid trip, all I could see no on every surface was this face virtually indentical to Queen nefertiti.  I mean everything; the sky, walls, on beds.  It was really cool.  On shrooms I see egyption style faces on earthy surfaces like rocks etc.  It's all so beautiful :mushroom2:


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Re: Thoughts on Mayan imagery in trips [Re: mistamonsta]
    #15179910 - 10/05/11 06:39 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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I will explain my theory briefly...
All the Aztec, Mayan and Incan peoples were into psychedelics for visionary purposes and spiritual guidance. Ergo they made their temples and images based off what they saw in their sacred visions. I too have seen patterns that resemble many Mayan and Incan images while on natural psychedelics. Another one is the rainbow serpent of Australian Aboriginal dreamtime... While on Aussie native shrooms I myself have experienced plenty of hallucinations of rainbows, particularly big long twisty ones not unlike a certain rainbow serpent.

Now I dont expect this to be completely correct but surely there is something of what I said to be true, at least in part. An interesting experiment would be to give these different natural psychedelics such as peyote, cubes, salvia and Ausssie P. Subs to someone who has never seen any of these types of images before. Then we could see if they come to hallucinate the same type of patterns as seen in the images previously mentioned, with attention paid to the origin of the substance used in relation to the origins of the patterns and visions experienced.




interesting, this is similar to my thoughts on the matter, but ive been leaning more towards the idea that these early civilizations worshipped the visionary state and their legacy is preserved into some sort of global consciousness that were more in tune to on psychedelics. At least thats what the part of me that is drawn to mystical spirtual type things wants to believe.

However my rational mind says these images are something everyones at least partially exposed to in one way or another in their daily life and its definately possible that the state of mind your in, or the part of your brain that is active while tripping just makes some connection to architecture in foreign societies (it is the only material mark they put on this planet)

i agree the only way to truly test this would be by collecting trip reports from various people whove been sheltered from knowledge on foreign cultures their entire life, as well as media representations of them (mayan apoclypse movies, indiana jones,  etc etc)


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Re: Thoughts on Mayan imagery in trips [Re: iDmt]
    #15179911 - 10/05/11 06:41 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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I have always had Egyptian style visuals.  My first cid trip, all I could see no on every surface was this face virtually indentical to Queen nefertiti.  I mean everything; the sky, walls, on beds.  It was really cool.  On shrooms I see egyption style faces on earthy surfaces like rocks etc.  It's all so beautiful :mushroom2:




Everythings beautiful on shrooms ;] the only trips id have that had an egyptian feel to them were my few experiences with dmt and salvia, but i might only be saying that because they feel.... smoother... than  other psychedelics, and i mean smooth as in the physical sensation of touching a smooth object. which i always associate with the smooth pyramids and feilds of sand in egypt.


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Re: Thoughts on Mayan imagery in trips [Re: deadhor5]
    #15179923 - 10/05/11 06:53 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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I have always had Egyptian style visuals.  My first cid trip, all I could see no on every surface was this face virtually indentical to Queen nefertiti.  I mean everything; the sky, walls, on beds.  It was really cool.  On shrooms I see egyption style faces on earthy surfaces like rocks etc.  It's all so beautiful :mushroom2:




Everythings beautiful on shrooms ;] the only trips id have that had an egyptian feel to them were my few experiences with dmt and salvia, but i might only be saying that because they feel.... smoother... than  other psychedelics, and i mean smooth as in the physical sensation of touching a smooth object. which i always associate with the smooth pyramids and feilds of sand in egypt.



That's interesting how you associated smoothness of the touch and ride of certain psychedelics with the Egyptian style, very cool.


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Re: Thoughts on Mayan imagery in trips [Re: iDmt]
    #15179929 - 10/05/11 06:59 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I dont know if it makes sense, its just the only way i can put it into words, acids very... mechanical, mushrooms are very earthy and rooted, mescaline is liquid, and salvia and dmt are smooth, at least in my mind :3


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Re: Thoughts on Mayan imagery in trips [Re: deadhor5]
    #15179942 - 10/05/11 07:08 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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I dont know if it makes sense, its just the only way i can put it into words, acids very... mechanical, mushrooms are very earthy and rooted, mescaline is liquid, and salvia and dmt are smooth, at least in my mind :3



I can see what you mean with the acid, mushrooms and mescaline.  I'm yet to try salvia and smoked dmt.  I've only done a light dose of ayahuasca, and a resin hit of dimitri.

Aya also feels very earthy and rooted, at least at the dose I experienced.


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Re: Thoughts on Mayan imagery in trips [Re: deadhor5]
    #15180085 - 10/05/11 08:34 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Thoughts on Mayan imagery in trips [Re: deadhor5]
    #15180513 - 10/05/11 11:31 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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im still trying to come to my own conclusion on why





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Re: Thoughts on Mayan imagery in trips [Re: k00laid]
    #15180548 - 10/05/11 11:41 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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im still trying to come to my own conclusion on why





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your boy CARL JUNG has already got it figured out.




Can you elaborate? Not to bash on Carl Jung , but i'd like to hear why you say that. (never read his books. :shocked: i'm planning to)


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Re: Thoughts on Mayan imagery in trips [Re: infectedstyle]
    #15180568 - 10/05/11 11:50 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

um, he proves that universal knowledge is an actual phenomena.

ideas and concepts seem to transcend time and space.


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Re: Thoughts on Mayan imagery in trips [Re: k00laid]
    #15180613 - 10/05/11 12:01 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Ah, yeah. That's also what a lot of string theorists say. No information is ever lost and we can regain it at any time. Can't wait to hear how Carl Jung proved it when i finally read his books. Is it in Dreams, memories, reflections?

I have different visuals than most. It seems. Closed eye visuals are incomprehensible 4d fractals and sometimes laser beams that feel really uncomfortable. Or weird fractalled 2d woman wearing sunglasses.

OEV consists of people i share a connection with. And even people i didn't have a connection with but did later. Like visions coming from the future. But ONLY people that are into psychedelics aswell.

lol sorry, these are my thoughts kind of off-topic. I have no idea WHY you would see mayan architecture in particulair.


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Re: Thoughts on Mayan imagery in trips [Re: infectedstyle]
    #15180720 - 10/05/11 12:32 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I agree that we are all connected somehow. Most of my trips I seem to get flashes of all the ancient cultures. One trip at of 2 8ths and 4 tabs of lsd I was sitting alone and turned to my left and an old native shaman was sitting there smoking a peace pipe turned ssmiled at me and blew the smoke in my face...later that night I encounted a being I later learned could be described as shiva...crazy stuff but somehow these plants connect us to another plane and we all reach those planes depending on how deep we want to go


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Re: Thoughts on Mayan imagery in trips [Re: mistamonsta]
    #15180744 - 10/05/11 12:40 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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I will explain my theory briefly...
All the Aztec, Mayan and Incan peoples were into psychedelics for visionary purposes and spiritual guidance. Ergo they made their temples and images based off what they saw in their sacred visions. I too have seen patterns that resemble many Mayan and Incan images while on natural psychedelics. Another one is the rainbow serpent of Australian Aboriginal dreamtime... While on Aussie native shrooms I myself have experienced plenty of hallucinations of rainbows, particularly big long twisty ones not unlike a certain rainbow serpent.

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:whathesaid:

I think a more accurate title for this thread would be "Thoughts on psychedelic imagery in Mayan architecture", not the other way around.


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Re: Thoughts on Mayan imagery in trips [Re: AlyDrops]
    #15181181 - 10/05/11 02:27 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Doesn't happen to me very often... but when I was in  mexico that's almost all I saw! it was very awesome


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Re: Thoughts on Mayan imagery in trips [Re: NWlight]
    #15181382 - 10/05/11 03:09 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Mushrooms go more egyptian in motif
DMT heavily Mayan or Incan ...

Could be the simple geometry of thier architecture and art....


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Re: Thoughts on Mayan imagery in trips [Re: HarryL]
    #15181468 - 10/05/11 03:33 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

this for some reason makes me think of ancient aliens. maybe ancient cultures across the world don't have similar stories, practices, and architecture because of aliens, but rather similar psychadelic experiences induced by similar drugs hmmmmmmm:awesomenod:


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