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BJML
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Re: Paddy Straw--Volvariella volvacea [Re: houdinihar]
#15138340 - 09/26/11 09:04 PM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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BJML, looks like some coprinus in the extreme bottom left rack. i have read that some people merely cut them off the straw and leave the rest as is. how do you handle that?
You said the temp was 32 C = 89.6 F. One of my problems is my outdoors temps has been close to 100 F for more than a month-so the temps in my garage are almost as bad. My temps are still low 90-'s to 100 during the day and 70's at night outside during this month of September. This seems to be well outside the normal range of growth for the Vv. My Tricholoma crassum and Calocybe indica are tolerating these higher temps just fine. I do have a small incubator that can be used for maybe 2-4 of my filter bags to control my temps in the 90 degree range once the ambient temps drop enough.
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you're right about that coprinus, as i said before, we can't avoid their ability to grow on paddy straw material, but we can delay their process in order to give oppurtunity the Vv micellium to grow first. The coprinus will grow fast if the temp goes down because I use traditional technique. i stabilize it by open-close the window. i do the same thing as they do by cut them off.
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Lennybernadino said: Hey BJML what pasteurization method are you using? Is it the hot water bathmethod or injected steam method, I am just begining again the experamints to try to figure out a highly productive way to grwow this mushroom with the materials available wich does not include rice straw at the moment , jEr
I use injected steam methode.
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Re: Paddy Straw--Volvariella volvacea [Re: BJML]
#15138714 - 09/26/11 10:07 PM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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COuld you PLEASE give us a more detailed description of your steam system? that looks really simple and effective and perhjaps the perfect solution for farmers out in the jungle . And those cotton stoppers are those non absorbetn cotton wool wich I cannot get around here? Could I use normal cotton? Polyfill? jEr
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Here's an interesting video on how the Thais grow straw. Seems so simple. I wonder if they really use potato skins, not very popular there. I wonder if they mean cassava skins.
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Re: Paddy Straw--Volvariella volvacea [Re: sparkle]
#15145259 - 09/28/11 03:25 AM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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seems you forgot a link to the video.. Sparkle..
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Re: Paddy Straw--Volvariella volvacea [Re: vishal779]
#15146036 - 09/28/11 10:31 AM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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Re: Paddy Straw--Volvariella volvacea [Re: lipa]
#15146145 - 09/28/11 10:54 AM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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Hi Lipa
The appearance of the mycelium of Volvariella volvacea in the Petri dish seems strange.
What happens if you pull a piece of the mycelium with a metal rod ?
Does the mycelium adheres and rolls up the metal rod like a spider web?
In all of the cultures of Volvariella volvacea that I have, the mycelium has the consistency of a spider web. The same applies to the Volvariella bombycina cultures.
Cheers,
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Lennybernadino said: COuld you PLEASE give us a more detailed description of your steam system? that looks really simple and effective and perhjaps the perfect solution for farmers out in the jungle . And those cotton stoppers are those non absorbetn cotton wool wich I cannot get around here? Could I use normal cotton? Polyfill? jEr
I Put water into drums which are connected with pipeline to the growing house, then heat it by firewood. Then the steam goes into the growing house.
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Re: Paddy Straw--Volvariella volvacea [Re: wbastz]
#15146754 - 09/28/11 01:49 PM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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wbastz said: Hi Lipa
The appearance of the mycelium of Volvariella volvacea in the Petri dish seems strange.
What happens if you pull a piece of the mycelium with a metal rod ?
Does the mycelium adheres and rolls up the metal rod like a spider web?
In all of the cultures of Volvariella volvacea that I have, the mycelium has the consistency of a spider web. The same applies to the Volvariella bombycina cultures.
Cheers,
Wilson
Like I said, Cultures from different regions seem to exhibit different growth characteristics. I have some cultures from Hawaii some from the Philippines, some from Thailand and North America. Those from North America and Hawaii seem to grow rather thick on dishes and those from the Philippines and Thailand seem to be more wispy. In substrate conditions the mycelium of both become very spider web-like and continue through the substrate as such.
Here it is at day 3
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Re: Paddy Straw--Volvariella volvacea [Re: lipa]
#15149770 - 09/28/11 11:15 PM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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Thanks BJML. You made an excellent contribution to this thread.
BTW, that dish does not look like the VV that I tried to work with, but I understand your comments about its variation.
The Bombycina (sp?) dish seems to have "collapsed". I wonder if I let it get too cold? I did make transfers though, and I hope to start some grains this weekend.
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Re: Paddy Straw--Volvariella volvacea [Re: Javadog]
#15150292 - 09/29/11 01:04 AM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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BJML said:
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Lennybernadino said: COuld you PLEASE give us a more detailed description of your steam system? that looks really simple and effective and perhjaps the perfect solution for farmers out in the jungle . And those cotton stoppers are those non absorbetn cotton wool wich I cannot get around here? Could I use normal cotton? Polyfill? jEr
I Put water into drums which are connected with pipeline to the growing house, then heat it by firewood. Then the steam goes into the growing house.
BJML
Do you steam pasteurize the whole mushroom room at a time? or do you have some sort of steam chamber? could please share some details about your steam injection process, I am wanting to build me somehting like this .
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Do you steam pasteurize the whole mushroom room at a time? or do you have some sort of steam chamber? could please share some details about your steam injection process, I am wanting to build me somehting like this .
Yes i do pasteurize the whole mushroom growing house at a time. hot steam from 4 drums were directed to a growing house. put the pipe at the middle of room, and put the thermometer at room. If the temperature reach 60-65 C, keep that temperatur for 6 hours.
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Re: Paddy Straw--Volvariella volvacea [Re: Javadog]
#15150754 - 09/29/11 02:38 AM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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Javadog said: Thanks BJML. You made an excellent contribution to this thread.
BTW, that dish does not look like the VV that I tried to work with, but I understand your comments about its variation.
The Bombycina (sp?) dish seems to have "collapsed". I wonder if I let it get too cold? I did make transfers though, and I hope to start some grains this weekend.
Take care,
JD
You're welcome JD. Based on my opinion: # Vv is the same as human, we live in tropical area have own characteristic as you do who live in cold area. but we still human. Vv from thailand, Indonesia, hawaii and any other area can live if we can adopt their habitat. # The goals that we must achieved as spawn producer are how well they will produce at harvest time and how strong the spawn can survive in their new environment.
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Re: Paddy Straw--Volvariella volvacea [Re: BJML]
#15154056 - 09/29/11 06:59 PM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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BJML I gotta say it is really nice to hve you contributing your knowledge with us, I am just trying to start up a small commercial straw mushroom farm, I am hoping to get at least at least 5 kilos a day . I don´t have rice straw available in all locations so I am experimenting with other substrates such as Palm heart waste (where it grows naturally ) , sacha inchi hulls, and banana leaves . I have been cloning from the wild and making spawn from that, I also use transplanted stem buts from time to time and they work very well to quickly colonize a substrate but not clean.
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Lennybernadino said: I am just trying to start up a small commercial straw mushroom farm, I am hoping to get at least at least 5 kilos a day . I don´t have rice straw available in all locations so I am experimenting with other substrates such as Palm heart waste (where it grows naturally ) , sacha inchi hulls, and banana leaves . I have been cloning from the wild and making spawn from that, I also use transplanted stem buts from time to time and they work very well to quickly colonize a substrate but not clean.
if you want to get 5 kilos/day, i suggest you to build 2 growing houses 3m x 4m. at 1st harvest day, usually 2-3 kilos @growing house, a day after that 5-8 kilos @gh and so on.

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Re: Paddy Straw--Volvariella volvacea [Re: BJML]
#15824132 - 02/17/12 06:40 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Hey guys & laddies! Very new here & clumbsy Can anyone point me in the right direction to obtain paddy straw mushroom spores?
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Welcome aboard!
I have found that when it comes to edible species, it is more often agar wedges that are shared rather than spore prints.
I had some V. volvaceae but it died.
I did manage to save some V. bombycina and will be working with that when my area warms sufficiently.
Take care,
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Re: Paddy Straw--Volvariella volvacea [Re: Javadog]
#15828332 - 02/18/12 05:38 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Thank you for your input I have not heard of V Bombycina is it anything like volvacea?
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Yes, it is a warmth lover and it grows from "eggs".
It has a furry cap that is amazing looking though:

This was as close as I got to fruits, as it was far too cold for success when I first tried the species. I did take a nice print.
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Re: Paddy Straw--Volvariella volvacea [Re: Javadog]
#15830651 - 02/19/12 05:12 AM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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thats wild java how did you come across the genetics for that?
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