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San Pedro vs. t.bridgesii
    #15093236 - 09/17/11 09:44 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Which one should i grow? Which one will sprout from seeds fastest and which one grows faster?


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Re: San Pedro vs. t.bridgesii [Re: mycomalicious]
    #15093293 - 09/17/11 09:55 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

bridgesii seed sprouts fast under ideal conditions , i've heard that bridgesii grows faster than pachanoi but im yet to see that happen in my own garden, {cuttings can take all year to grow roots and wont grow whilst rooting}


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Re: San Pedro vs. t.bridgesii [Re: atomicshaman]
    #15093327 - 09/17/11 10:00 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

In my experience, bridgesii grow somewhat faster than pachanoi, and tend to be more consistently active (if that's what you're going for).  As a plus for cactus-eaters, bridgesii are easier to cut up and prepare as the areoles are more easily removed than in pachanoi.


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Re: San Pedro vs. t.bridgesii [Re: wanderingmarlin]
    #15093480 - 09/17/11 10:38 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Thanks guys looks like I'll go with the bridgesii


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Re: San Pedro vs. t.bridgesii [Re: mycomalicious]
    #15093500 - 09/17/11 10:43 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Variety is the spice of life, why choose just one? :smile:


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Re: San Pedro vs. t.bridgesii [Re: Jake McBaked]
    #15095790 - 09/18/11 03:01 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I really ought to get some T. Bridgesii and see what all the fuss is about. Has anyone ever been disappointed with it? Compared to T. Pachanoi how different is the potency?


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Re: San Pedro vs. t.bridgesii [Re: 3hree1ne3hree]
    #15096372 - 09/18/11 04:41 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Compared to T. Pachanoi how different is the potency?




"potency" isn't really the right question.  Mescaline is far from the only thing in these plants.  Theres a whole host of unstudied isoquinolines.

-There's been at least one report of finding a fairly strong sedative alkaloid in macrogonus,  and it's been suspected throughout the pachanoi family as well.  Many people who consume pure mescaline find something is "missing" from the experience. (initial reports with both mesc and this mystery alkaloid are supposedly closer to the full spectrum)  Supposedly it also mellows the speedy experience.

-There's also been a well known report of finding both average amounts of mescaline and no mescaline at all, in cuttings from the same juul's giant. (another unknown alkaloid was extracted in it's place)

-Bridgesii is consistently reported as "very strong" and trippy, but most studies dont show it as containing abnormal amounts of mescaline.

So, in closing, "potency" is a bit of a misnomer.  There's more in play than just mescaline.


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Re: San Pedro vs. t.bridgesii [Re: HarveyWalbanger]
    #15096494 - 09/18/11 05:07 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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"potency" isn't really the right question.  Mescaline is far from the only thing in these plants.  Theres a whole host of unstudied isoquinolines.

There's more in play than just mescaline.




exactly why an ideal setup has more than one cacti species, none are "better" or "stronger", they're all just a bit different.


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Re: San Pedro vs. t.bridgesii [Re: Jake McBaked]
    #15096928 - 09/18/11 06:47 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I had a small bridgesii cutting that grew roots during the winter and then tripled its height to 40cm in the next growing season. They are very fast and IMO probably the most enjoyable cactus.


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Re: San Pedro vs. t.bridgesii [Re: Jake McBaked]
    #15096964 - 09/18/11 06:53 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Alrighty then, despite never mentioning mescaline, I could have worded my question differently.
How effective is T. Bridgesii compared to T. Pachanoi?


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Re: San Pedro vs. t.bridgesii [Re: Cactii]
    #15096973 - 09/18/11 06:56 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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I had a small bridgesii cutting that grew roots during the winter and then tripled its height to 40cm in the next growing season. They are very fast and IMO probably the most enjoyable cactus.



I like what I'm reading! :heart:
What would you say makes the experience more enjoyable?


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Re: San Pedro vs. t.bridgesii [Re: 3hree1ne3hree]
    #15097138 - 09/18/11 07:40 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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By using a soloution of DMSO and the precursor dopamine (or a combination of tyramine and dopa) one can easily and effectively ‘dope’ their San Pedros with noticeable results. Historically it has been shown that a 70% solution of DMSO/H2O is best for membrane penetration and, oddly, performance drops with concentrations higher than 90 percent. The solution may be sprayed or swabbed with a cotton ball onto the surface of the cactus approximately 8 weeks prior to harvest, and every other week thereafter on the sixth and fourth week before harvest.




has anyone ever used Dimethyl Sulfoxide and dopamine to boost alkoid content? that is just part of an article here


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Re: San Pedro vs. t.bridgesii [Re: Chemical Addiction]
    #15097275 - 09/18/11 08:21 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

There was some excitement about the procedure at first, but lately it's been panned as adam gottlieb's own brand of quackery.

The plant is limited more by the efficiency of it's enzymes (and whatever mechanism is responsible for activating those enzymes)  than the lack of precursors.


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Re: San Pedro vs. t.bridgesii [Re: HarveyWalbanger]
    #15101010 - 09/19/11 03:29 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

bridgesii grows really, really fast. it's incredible.


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Re: San Pedro vs. t.bridgesii [Re: lurkmode]
    #15101376 - 09/19/11 04:31 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

One of my best experiences by far was with encapsulated t pachanoi/t brigesii. There was likely a bit more t bridgesii in the mix cause that's what I typically have the most to spare of. The ration was probably around 1/3 pachanoi or so. Mixing the 2 definitely brought the best of both experiences. :thumbup:


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Re: San Pedro vs. t.bridgesii [Re: theMallacht]
    #15101499 - 09/19/11 04:57 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I have found bridgessi to be more nauseating on the come-up but overall more lucid in experience.


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Re: San Pedro vs. t.bridgesii [Re: Jake McBaked]
    #15102340 - 09/19/11 07:52 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I'll tell you one thing I hate about growing bridgesii - they rot so damn easily.  I can water San Pedro and Peruvian Torch every single day and they love it.  I can drown those fuckers and they'll keep growing and get thicker.  Bridgesii?  Every time it rains I get nervous.  Water them rarely, very rarely. 

Bridgesii trips are usually good with a single one foot cutting and Pedro is double or more for me.


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Re: San Pedro vs. t.bridgesii [Re: joemolloy]
    #15102452 - 09/19/11 08:11 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

If you look hard  or grow enough seed, you'll discover soon enough there are relatively rot-resistant bridgesii. When growing from seed, I'd say rot-resistance is a pretty good trait to select by unless you live in a truly arid climate.


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Re: San Pedro vs. t.bridgesii [Re: naum]
    #15103239 - 09/19/11 10:37 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

What if you have a cross of both, would you get the best of both? L


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Re: San Pedro vs. t.bridgesii [Re: savage.renegade]
    #15103439 - 09/19/11 11:17 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

The few bridgesii/peruvianus and bridgesii/pachanoi hybrids that I have that are mature show a lot of vigor and don't seem to be affected by rot. I didn't grow them from seed so they may be the best selections of the bunch.  I have no clue regarding their activity.

In terms of seedlings, inter-species hybrids are either more vigorous or way less vigorous than single species depending on how closely they are related and exact genetics. Most bridgesii hybrids seedlings I'm currently growing are pretty vigorous.


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