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 urbanfarmer
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 Re: Lion's Mane Harvest! [Re: jenia1]
#15788028 - 02/10/12 09:34 AM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/12030259
I recommend a steel drum when using immersion heat elements. Note the importance of the stand-off pipe. You should be able to find an appropriate drum for $30 or so.
Want to trade cultures?
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BigPharma
Myco-Rising
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Quote:
chefinainteasy said:
Bigpharma, are you using oak sawdust pellets? Can you tell me or show a link as to how you centrally inoculate? Does this require refilling jars with sterile dust/bran mix?
Chef: I have some fuel pellets, but I've been using hardwood sawdust from a local mill. I'll make a video later either today or tomorrow to show you my technique; I've been meaning to, so this will serve as good motivation to finally get it posted.
Urban: Thanks for link, I'll have to check it out later. And yes, if you'd like to do a culture swap, PM me. 
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Cultures I have:
Pearl Oyster, King Oyster, Golden Oyster, Black Poplar, Lion's Mane, Reishi, Turkey Tail, Shaggy Mane, and King Stropharia
Cultures I'd Like:
Pink Oyster, Elm Oyster, Morels (any except Black), Chick-of-the-Woods, and Cauliflower, Bear's Head.
"Prohibition didn't work in the Garden of Eden. Adam ate the apple."
- Vicente Fox, Former President of Mexico
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BigPharma
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Got some new pics!
Overall, I'm really pleased with the new room. Everything seems to be fruiting out well. Two of my pond-foggers died on me the other night, though, so humidity has been hard to keep up. Everything looks nice, so its only slightly problematic, fortunately. I called the company (Sunterra) and they readily agreed to send me two new ones for free, so I was happy.
These are my King Oyster jars. So far much better than that janky-looking one I grew earlier in the pint jar. Both were grown from the same clone, this shows the importance of proper handling I suppose.
Lion's Mane jars are starting to show some fruits as well. The quart jars I have with the plastic lids have tiny clusters forming, I'm guessing the lids maybe keep a higher CO2 environment near the surface of the substrate? I'm eager to see how much yield a small little pint jar will provide, clusters looking good so far. The bags further down are each around 4 lbs. I over-incubated them again; its really hard to tell when they're ready, the myc. is so wispy. That's why I exposed the whole bag surface, a bunch of primordia started forming on me.
And finally more Pearl Oysters. I have 4 bags. The other two I didn't show are just now developing some primordia. They all came from the same master spawn jar, so I was a little surprised to see the variation in fruiting times. I probably should have spread the bags out a little more to test environment conditions across the room.
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Cultures I have:
Pearl Oyster, King Oyster, Golden Oyster, Black Poplar, Lion's Mane, Reishi, Turkey Tail, Shaggy Mane, and King Stropharia
Cultures I'd Like:
Pink Oyster, Elm Oyster, Morels (any except Black), Chick-of-the-Woods, and Cauliflower, Bear's Head.
"Prohibition didn't work in the Garden of Eden. Adam ate the apple."
- Vicente Fox, Former President of Mexico
Edited by BigPharma (02/14/12 07:29 PM)
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chefinainteasy
Chef
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Looks great pharma! Have any new videos in the works? Im very interested in switching over to this style of grow space once it gets a bit warmer out and i move some of the plants out. Do you still keep the fogers outside the grow area and pipe in the mist? Have any water pooling problems? Are you exhausting air outside?
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My new business is now on facebook at http://www.facebook.com/#!/MushroomsNaturally
   
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BigPharma
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Yep, got a new video up this afternoon! Posted below.
I promise, I'm working on getting that video together of how I make my King Oyster jars. We found some water damage in one of our upstairs bedrooms that produced mold, so there's been a bit of landlord drama resulting from that. I've had far less to play with my mushrooms this week than I'd like. Fortunately the mold is very well far away from my grow area, so there's that at least.
To answer your questions about the foggers, I have them inside the grow-room now in open buckets. There are two 4" ducts that bring filtered (non-humidified) air in and are aimed down into the buckets with the pond foggers. This way, they're much easier to clean and maintenance and there's always filtered-fogged air blowing into the grow space. I do get a small amount of water that pools, but it doesn't seem to build up, so I'm thinking its evaporating fast enough not to grow. Because the area is larger now, too, I'm able to have a mop in there for cleaning and drying the floor. I figure I'll probably make a regular ritual out of disinfecting the floor every couple weeks or so.
And YES I have an exhaust fan now! I was getting ridiculous spore buildup in the basement from those damn oysters. I have several anion generators throughout my basement and several square feet around each one would have a thick white buildup form that was straight oyster spores. So it was obvious I needed some sort of exhaust to get that shit out of the house before I started getting serious allergies. I think it may have actually desensitized me to the mold spores; my wife has much worse allergies than I in general, but I was reacting to the mold and she wasn't. I set the exhaust duct near the floor opposite the in-take duct to draw air across the grow-space in a downward fashion. The duct then just gets pumped out the window. I set the out-take fan at a slightly lower speed than the intake.
Everything growing in there seems to be beautifully despite the humidity issues. I actually just got my new foggers in the mail today, which is cool.
The King Oysters are looking nicely plump and getting to be a few inches long. I'm not sure exactly when to pick them, at least based off cap-shape. So if anyone has any input, it'd be appreciated.
One thing I thought was odd is the speckly/mottled shape of some of the caps. Is this a normal stage of development, or is the result of some environmental deficit? I've seen a few fungus flies and need to get some tape hung up, could they be causing this?
The Lion's Manes are starting to make an appearance, too. So far it looks like the lids may slow fruit development a small amount, but I think performance will more than make up for the extra 2-3 days.
And of course, as always, the Pearl Oysters are troopers. These guys have had their Rh range from %90+ all the way down to %40. I'm thinking that's why the smaller fruit bodies, but I bet they're super-dense!
All those pictures were taken from the video, but the video shows my air/humidity setup, which I'm pleased with so far. I'm still tweaking the timing and ratio of intake:outtake fan speeds. But I had it dialed in pretty well before my foggers died.
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Cultures I have:
Pearl Oyster, King Oyster, Golden Oyster, Black Poplar, Lion's Mane, Reishi, Turkey Tail, Shaggy Mane, and King Stropharia
Cultures I'd Like:
Pink Oyster, Elm Oyster, Morels (any except Black), Chick-of-the-Woods, and Cauliflower, Bear's Head.
"Prohibition didn't work in the Garden of Eden. Adam ate the apple."
- Vicente Fox, Former President of Mexico
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BigPharma
Myco-Rising
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Re: New Video (with pics) [Re: BigPharma]
#15825338 - 02/17/12 08:03 PM (3 months, 9 days ago) |
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Okay Chef, this one's for you. 
I finally got my long-promised video up for how I make my King Oyster jars, which is the same tek I use for Lion's Manes now too. I've got some Black Poplar LC going now, I'll probably try this for them also.
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Cultures I have:
Pearl Oyster, King Oyster, Golden Oyster, Black Poplar, Lion's Mane, Reishi, Turkey Tail, Shaggy Mane, and King Stropharia
Cultures I'd Like:
Pink Oyster, Elm Oyster, Morels (any except Black), Chick-of-the-Woods, and Cauliflower, Bear's Head.
"Prohibition didn't work in the Garden of Eden. Adam ate the apple."
- Vicente Fox, Former President of Mexico
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 lipa
Registered: 07/24/07
Posts: 1,688
Loc: USA 
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Re: New Video (with pics) [Re: BigPharma]
#15825455 - 02/17/12 08:26 PM (3 months, 9 days ago) |
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Those kings look like the MYCELIA's M2600 strain.
Lipa
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BigPharma
Myco-Rising
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Re: New Video (with pics) [Re: lipa]
#15825488 - 02/17/12 08:35 PM (3 months, 9 days ago) |
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Interesting, so what makes you ID them as such? I looked up that strain, and it said it frequently has knobbly caps, was that it? I have no idea what strain it actually is, its a pirated culture from a store-bought mushroom, so I assumed it was a good one.
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Cultures I have:
Pearl Oyster, King Oyster, Golden Oyster, Black Poplar, Lion's Mane, Reishi, Turkey Tail, Shaggy Mane, and King Stropharia
Cultures I'd Like:
Pink Oyster, Elm Oyster, Morels (any except Black), Chick-of-the-Woods, and Cauliflower, Bear's Head.
"Prohibition didn't work in the Garden of Eden. Adam ate the apple."
- Vicente Fox, Former President of Mexico
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lipa
Registered: 07/24/07
Posts: 1,688
Loc: USA
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Re: New Video (with pics) [Re: BigPharma]
#15825507 - 02/17/12 08:39 PM (3 months, 9 days ago) |
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Yes knobbily caps!
Your pics are fuzzy but I think I see rough caps.
Lipa
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BigPharma
Myco-Rising
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Re: New Video (with pics) [Re: lipa]
#15825567 - 02/17/12 08:53 PM (3 months, 9 days ago) |
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Well you answered one question I had, thanks!
Those pics were snatched from the video first video I posted earlier. In the video I drew attention to the knobby caps and asked if anyone knew if that was normal or some environmental thing. Good to know they're supposed to be that way. Certainly looks strange; one even looked almost spiky. So the knobbiness is unusual and unique to that strain, eh? I'd better get an LC made!
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Cultures I have:
Pearl Oyster, King Oyster, Golden Oyster, Black Poplar, Lion's Mane, Reishi, Turkey Tail, Shaggy Mane, and King Stropharia
Cultures I'd Like:
Pink Oyster, Elm Oyster, Morels (any except Black), Chick-of-the-Woods, and Cauliflower, Bear's Head.
"Prohibition didn't work in the Garden of Eden. Adam ate the apple."
- Vicente Fox, Former President of Mexico
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chefinainteasy
Chef
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Posts: 376
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Re: New Video (with pics) [Re: lipa]
#15825688 - 02/17/12 09:19 PM (3 months, 9 days ago) |
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Looks good pharma! Thanks for the vid. I have 10 qts of king spawn close to colonized and am going the sawdust route as i read in GGMM its usually the better way to go. I have these 2 qt plastic jars we get our shallots in at work and am going to try these out with pasteurized sawdust and bran. Im also going to sterilize qt jars with the central inoculation method you showed. I think my pc can hold 14 qt jars at a time. Still looking for a lions main culture to trade for, but kings will work for now. I also have a qt of maitake sawdust almost colonized that i may try this with. Also white beach mushrooms.
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My new business is now on facebook at http://www.facebook.com/#!/MushroomsNaturally
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BigPharma
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Re: New Video (with pics) [Re: BigPharma]
#15825698 - 02/17/12 09:23 PM (3 months, 9 days ago) |
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I just ran downstairs to snap a couple clearer pics with a proper camera. You can see the knobbiness much better.
 
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Cultures I have:
Pearl Oyster, King Oyster, Golden Oyster, Black Poplar, Lion's Mane, Reishi, Turkey Tail, Shaggy Mane, and King Stropharia
Cultures I'd Like:
Pink Oyster, Elm Oyster, Morels (any except Black), Chick-of-the-Woods, and Cauliflower, Bear's Head.
"Prohibition didn't work in the Garden of Eden. Adam ate the apple."
- Vicente Fox, Former President of Mexico
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chefinainteasy
Chef
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Re: New Video (with pics) [Re: BigPharma]
#15825923 - 02/17/12 10:17 PM (3 months, 9 days ago) |
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From a chefs point of view, i wouldn't let these mature any more. All i see sold in market and that we buy from a commercial vendor, have concave caps, not convex like some of the pictures i see on this forum. There is no point in letting oysters reaching maturity to a point of spore drop, they really dont gain anymore weight. Plus the shelf life and storage is much better. IMO. Look great, can you give a harvested weight per jar when your done. Did you ever get an average weight of sub in each jar before inoculating? Sometimes weight is a better gauge than volume. Cant wait until my grains are colonized to try my trials.
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My new business is now on facebook at http://www.facebook.com/#!/MushroomsNaturally
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Javadog
Continuing along
Registered: 05/03/10
Posts: 6,055
Loc: USA
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You will like sawdust spawn Chef. When it comes to the number of inoculation
points, there is nothing like it. Your blocks will explode.
Good luck, and thanks for the great photo Pharma. (Lipa knows ;0)
JD
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BigPharma
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Re: New Video (with pics) [Re: Javadog]
#15825995 - 02/17/12 10:33 PM (3 months, 9 days ago) |
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hmm, I'll plan on picking these in the morning then. I wasn't really sure when Kings reached their peak, they're a little funkier looking than Pearls.
And no, I didn't get an average weight of the jars. When I was mixing up those jars earlier today I was thinking I ought to, so that's something I think I'll do from now on. And yes, I'll post up the weights I harvest with some pics.
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Cultures I have:
Pearl Oyster, King Oyster, Golden Oyster, Black Poplar, Lion's Mane, Reishi, Turkey Tail, Shaggy Mane, and King Stropharia
Cultures I'd Like:
Pink Oyster, Elm Oyster, Morels (any except Black), Chick-of-the-Woods, and Cauliflower, Bear's Head.
"Prohibition didn't work in the Garden of Eden. Adam ate the apple."
- Vicente Fox, Former President of Mexico
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chefinainteasy
Chef
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Re: New Video (with pics) [Re: BigPharma]
#15826063 - 02/17/12 10:47 PM (3 months, 9 days ago) |
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Thanks. I only ask for the weight because i am going to be using oak fuel pellets which are going to be much finer than the sawdust you get from the mill. Just want to do a comparison of yield to see if the larger "chips" have any effect. Those are ready by what we use in the culinary business. I would be interested for you to let one or two grow out to fruition to see the weight difference. I guess ones that are relatively the same size as of now. Just curious. These things are about 2 to 3 times as dense as elm or greys as far a volume goes. But they are also sooooooo good. I posted a recipe for them in the recipe post.
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My new business is now on facebook at http://www.facebook.com/#!/MushroomsNaturally
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chefinainteasy
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How are you going to handel the smaller/aborts? I, after letting another bag go with them intact and contaminating, just pick/cut them off ant eat them also. Are you going to go for a second flush?
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jenia1
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one of the best thread around atm, been visiting here around fr the past few weeks!
inspired by you and your great work im planning to build myself
a greenhouse as well. but theres some things im not sure about
-what kind of filter are you using for your fresh air intake?
-assuming all this foggy moisture eventually ends up on the ground are you using any kind of drainage system?
-could you be more specific about the plastic sheets and how you attach them to the wall/ceiling and floor and to themselves since its not a huge 1 plastic unit
Tnx.
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BigPharma
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Re: New Video (with pics) [Re: jenia1]
#15827064 - 02/18/12 08:21 AM (3 months, 9 days ago) |
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Okay, picked all the fruits, small pins included and it came out to about 625g (1.4 lbs) - this was from 8 jars. GroboClone had a link in his King Oyster thread about pin-pruning. This should increase yield as it allows only 2-3 fruits to grow per jar, letting them grow much larger.
I just picked off all the aborts to the best of my ability, there's still a few stragglers remaining. And yeah, I'm planning a second flush.
Hi Jenia, thanks for the comments, and I love questions!
-what kind of filter are you using for your fresh air intake?
I'm just using a standard filtrete furnace filter. But I use three; one pre-filter, then two high efficiency allergen filters taped together. I made a filter box out of plywood, and sealed all the seams with silicone.
-assuming all this foggy moisture eventually ends up on the ground are you using any kind of drainage system?
Some of it ends up on the ground, but not a huge amount. The trick is to balance fog-generation with air-flow to maximize humidity while minimizing condensation. Its tricky, but it does the job well enough. My drainage system is a mop and bucket, lol. I go in every couple days and mop up what little water starts to collect.
-could you be more specific about the plastic sheets and how you attach them to the wall/ceiling and floor and to themselves since its not a huge 1 plastic unit
Sure. I used 4 mil plastic, there's two layers, and I used a staple-gun to attach them to the floor joists (lots and lots of staples to distribute the weight). I started out stapling plastic up as a ceiling, then the walls to the joists with a few inches of overhang or lip. And the plastic is long enough that it folds down onto the floor as well. I put up each individual wall, each one over-lapping the other by at least a foot. Once the first layer is up, I put another layer of sheeting inside that starting with the walls first this time, then the ceiling. This way there's no place where two seams are right on top of each, making a more contained environment. Finally I folded the corners like gift-wrap to keep them in shape, and used loctite flexible vinyl & plastic adhesive to seal of some of the looser seams - this was mostly on the ceiling and corners.
I've got a video I'll be uploading shortly where I do kind of a review of where all I've been and where I'm at now. I go through the different things I've tried and talk about what worked, what didn't work, and why. For anyone who is using my videos as a tutorial, I recommend watching this one, because there's been a lot of changes and failures throughout the process.
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Cultures I have:
Pearl Oyster, King Oyster, Golden Oyster, Black Poplar, Lion's Mane, Reishi, Turkey Tail, Shaggy Mane, and King Stropharia
Cultures I'd Like:
Pink Oyster, Elm Oyster, Morels (any except Black), Chick-of-the-Woods, and Cauliflower, Bear's Head.
"Prohibition didn't work in the Garden of Eden. Adam ate the apple."
- Vicente Fox, Former President of Mexico
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chefinainteasy
Chef
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Posts: 376
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Re: New Video (with pics) [Re: BigPharma]
#15827105 - 02/18/12 08:39 AM (3 months, 9 days ago) |
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Good stuff and always helpful as usual.
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Check out my youtube videos. the basement garden series by chefinainteasy
My new business is now on facebook at http://www.facebook.com/#!/MushroomsNaturally
MY Garden
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