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So I contacted the Santo Daime church in Ashland, Oregon
    #15079462 - 09/14/11 08:50 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I basically shared my story and asked for some information through email, and got this as a reply:

"Hello ________

We received your inquiry about attending our church here in Ashland.

I have attached a newcomers packet for you to review.
All newcomers to our church must have an interview before attending our works.
Included is an application, medical waiver and liability form which you can return to us via email, mail or bring  to your interview.
Our mailing address is:
CHLQ
PB Box 911Ashland, OR 97520

There is a book called The Forest of Visions written by Alex Polari which we highly recommend reading.

It is the only book on the Santo Daime.

We have about 25 -35 participants in our works. Our teaching come from the hymns that we sing

which are "received' or channeled directly from the  spiritual realms. 

It sounds like you have many questions.
It may be best to call me. My number is (edited)

Chante Dao
Church Administrator"

Hmm, so I'm going to go a bit deeper into this.  I ordered the Forest of Visions book he recommended, and will finish reading that before I call and ask questions.  The newcomer packet looks like it is pretty in depth as well, but I haven't yet had the chance to go over it thoroughly.

If the book and information I get continues to vibe with me, I may attend an ayahuasca ceremony with them this fall.  I am facing some debilitating problems in my life right now, loss of vision + chronic back/neck pain, and feel as though I need some sort of reminder as to why I am here and why I should continue the fight.  I feel like ayahuasca can help me to reconnect to the answers to some of these questions.


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Re: So I contacted the Santo Daime church in Ashland, Oregon [Re: Satyapriya]
    #15079536 - 09/14/11 09:13 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

oh and here is the church administrators blog:

http://chantedao.blogspot.com/


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Re: So I contacted the Santo Daime church in Ashland, Oregon [Re: Satyapriya]
    #15079638 - 09/14/11 09:36 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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We have about 25 -35 participants in our works. Our teaching come from the hymns that we sing which are "received' or channeled directly from the  spiritual realms. 





:rofl2:

Or maybe from the harmala/dmt running through your system.

You should delete that guys phone number from the post unless it's on the website.  Bad form dude.

Anyway why don't you just make it up yourself and have at it?


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Re: So I contacted the Santo Daime church in Ashland, Oregon [Re: Cups]
    #15079678 - 09/14/11 09:44 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Cups said:
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Shrooomtastic said:
We have about 25 -35 participants in our works. Our teaching come from the hymns that we sing which are "received' or channeled directly from the  spiritual realms. 





:rofl2:

Or maybe from the harmala/dmt running through your system.

You should delete that guys phone number from the post unless it's on the website.  Bad form dude.

Anyway why don't you just make it up yourself and have at it?




because i don't feel comfortable doing it myself.  i have also read that it is important to have an experienced guide who can help you to make sense of the experience.

i did edit out that phone number, good point.


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Re: So I contacted the Santo Daime church in Ashland, Oregon [Re: Satyapriya]
    #15079866 - 09/14/11 10:23 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Just know that they have a religious affiliation with christanity.

I think it's a good idea however cause they don't push it down your throat.


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Re: So I contacted the Santo Daime church in Ashland, Oregon [Re: Icelander]
    #15080508 - 09/15/11 12:31 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Just know that they have a religious affiliation with christanity.

I think it's a good idea however cause they don't push it down your throat.




That's okay, I'm down with Jesus :thumbup:

Just not most of the bible or the church itself :thumbdown: :puke:

Well that's good to hear they don't force it down people's throats.. That's one of the things I need to determine beforehand; whether or not I think they will attempt to brainwash me or something while I am in an altered state.  I hear their teachings are more down to Earth and realistic though, rather than focused mainly on the Christian doctrine.  I think they would have to be especially if they themselves are taking ayahuasca on a regular basis.


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Re: So I contacted the Santo Daime church in Ashland, Oregon [Re: Satyapriya] * 1
    #15081940 - 09/15/11 10:53 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I don't know about any churches but there's definitely something about ayahuasca and singing. I pretty much never sing, but on my first aya trip I just disappeared into a flow of absolute perfection, which also had a musical quality to it. What came out was a kind of humming. Don't really remember it so much myself as I was totally gone in the flow but more sober outsiders said that we, the trippers, had sung/hummed in perfect sync somehow. So I suppose aya and group singing must be awesome in itself (though the consciousness doesn't really mind the singing or how it sounds as it's completely gone with the cosmic wind at that point.. :grin:


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Re: So I contacted the Santo Daime church in Ashland, Oregon [Re: Satyapriya]
    #15082551 - 09/15/11 01:55 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I've done a few works with a Santo Daime group a while ago, and it was very healing. I suggest you go in with an open mind and an open heart and let the medicine do what it will do, simply let go.

They never pushed anything at me, or tried to change my view. We simply sat down, drank the Daime throughout the day and sang the hymns, mostly in Portuguese. Insights came, and it was one of the most beautiful things I have experienced sitting around with 50 of my neighbors on a journey together.


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Re: So I contacted the Santo Daime church in Ashland, Oregon [Re: Satyapriya]
    #15082756 - 09/15/11 02:54 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Cool stuff man, sounds promising. Be sure to check back with us if you go through with it. These traditions usually have a pretty good bearing on these experiences and can act as a very helpful support structure when integrating them into your life.


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Re: So I contacted the Santo Daime church in Ashland, Oregon [Re: c0sm0nautt]
    #15088133 - 09/16/11 06:02 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

So I talked to Chante Dao over the phone for a few minutes and she says that they are holding a ceremony there on Sunday, October 2nd.  She says that I am welcome to come up for an interview, and then to attend, if I like and so long as everything checks out okay with my physical and mental health.

Hmm, going to read the book first.. but I'm pretty sure I'm going to go for it on that date  :psychsplit:

i will for sure bump this thread and keep you guys posted.

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Re: So I contacted the Santo Daime church in Ashland, Oregon [Re: Satyapriya]
    #15088968 - 09/16/11 09:10 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I've heard they have a group here in Portland, but I can't find them anywhere.  If you can get the contact info for the Portland chapter, I'd really appreciate it.


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Re: So I contacted the Santo Daime church in Ashland, Oregon [Re: Silversoul] * 1
    #15107703 - 09/20/11 07:03 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Alright, so I'm definitely going through with this.. They have a special 2-day session happening on the weekend of September 30th to October 2nd, with a special guest Shaman flying in from Brazil to conduct it.  On Friday from 6pm to 2am or so is a session focusing more on healing they said.  And then on Sunday from 6pm to 4am or so is a more of a celebratory session with singing and dancing.

This is going to be an interesting weekend for sure lol.  Unfortunately though I will have to ride my motorcycle up there since its all I have right now.. which is kind of a pain because Ashland is about 11 hours away from where I live.

But I'll probably stop off in San Fran for the night, get a good nights rest, and then make the rest of the journey Friday morning.  And since money is tight, and also because I think it would be the best thing to do anyways, I will be camping out in a one-man tent the entire weekend :sun:

And I will do my best to be thorough and articulate when I report back on the experience :peace:


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Re: So I contacted the Santo Daime church in Ashland, Oregon [Re: Satyapriya]
    #15108016 - 09/20/11 07:51 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

awesome! sounds like a great time! :sun:


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Re: So I contacted the Santo Daime church in Ashland, Oregon [Re: deff]
    #15148642 - 09/28/11 08:03 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

glad i found this thread,..was trying to find locations throughout the us and stumbled upon it..bookmarked, can wait to hear all about your experience..


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Re: So I contacted the Santo Daime church in Ashland, Oregon [Re: filthydee]
    #15150405 - 09/29/11 01:23 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

if the shaman is juan ruiz you should not take the ceremony at all... they are demons in the dress of angels and they want to mind control you and get your energy


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Re: So I contacted the Santo Daime church in Ashland, Oregon [Re: AIRDOG]
    #15151241 - 09/29/11 06:57 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Not that I care much but what do you base your accusations on besides some personal vendetta?


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Re: So I contacted the Santo Daime church in Ashland, Oregon [Re: AIRDOG]
    #15151270 - 09/29/11 07:14 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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if the shaman is juan ruiz you should not take the ceremony at all... they are demons in the dress of angels and they want to mind control you and get your energy




is this statement based on personal experience or just a hunch?
please share


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Re: So I contacted the Santo Daime church in Ashland, Oregon [Re: AIRDOG]
    #15151761 - 09/29/11 10:58 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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if the shaman is juan ruiz you should not take the ceremony at all... they are demons in the dress of angels and they want to mind control you and get your energy




If someone tried to mind control me, and steal my energy, I would totally fuck them up. Most of these "Sorcerers" I meet couldn't take a punch if their life depended on it.


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Re: So I contacted the Santo Daime church in Ashland, Oregon [Re: Heffy]
    #15151776 - 09/29/11 11:02 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I know a private church in northern cali, about 6-7 hours from you if you dont want to goto oregon.....


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Re: So I contacted the Santo Daime church in Ashland, Oregon [Re: AIRDOG]
    #15151785 - 09/29/11 11:04 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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if the shaman is juan ruiz you should not take the ceremony at all... they are demons in the dress of angels and they want to mind control you and get your energy



do u feel the same of the gringo shaman who now resides in peru ?


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Re: So I contacted the Santo Daime church in Ashland, Oregon [Re: Heffy]
    #15151814 - 09/29/11 11:11 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Quote:

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if the shaman is juan ruiz you should not take the ceremony at all... they are demons in the dress of angels and they want to mind control you and get your energy




If someone tried to mind control me, and steal my energy, I would totally fuck them up. Most of these "Sorcerers" I meet couldn't take a punch if their life depended on it.





Damn.  You got to wonder how real the delusion must be for him sign the contract (if the translation is correct). 

Then get his ass kicked in front of his students.  :whoa:


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Re: So I contacted the Santo Daime church in Ashland, Oregon [Re: Cups]
    #15152059 - 09/29/11 12:07 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

wonder if that was all planned from his students..faking for months that his garbage/hand waving had some sort of affect on them.
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Re: So I contacted the Santo Daime church in Ashland, Oregon [Re: filthydee]
    #15157085 - 09/30/11 11:00 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

The people in the martial arts community who practice this no-touching technique garbage tend to use hypnosis on their students. This is why it only works on people who believe it will work, much like other magick or sorcery. Sometimes they keep up with it so long they start to actually believe in their powers themselves. He must have honestly thought he could win that fight, but that's magical thinking for you.

Most of these "magicians" are nothing more than tricksters and storytellers.


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Re: So I contacted the Santo Daime church in Ashland, Oregon [Re: Heffy]
    #15157192 - 09/30/11 11:34 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

you see him pretty much try to slap him slowly?
wtf..delusional


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Re: So I contacted the Santo Daime church in Ashland, Oregon [Re: filthydee]
    #15166679 - 10/02/11 02:08 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

SOOOOOOOOOO howd OP's trip go!? i know its a little early just bumping the thread!


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Re: So I contacted the Santo Daime church in Ashland, Oregon [Re: Rewindicus]
    #15168699 - 10/02/11 09:37 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

could be happening right now:tongue:


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    #15168740 - 10/02/11 09:45 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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SOOOOOOOOOO howd OP's trip go!? i know its a little early just bumping the thread!




Where to even begin?

Now, I like to think that I'm a pretty open-minded person, and pretty accepting as well of other people and their beliefs.. But that was totally messed up :eek:

After experiencing a full on 8 hour ayahuasca session with 100+ people, it is my official opinion that the Santo Daime, or at least this particular church in Ashland, is for sure a cult, with heavy emphasis on brainwashing participants through music while they are in a vulnerable psychedelic state, under the guise of "spiritual healing."

I will walk you through the entire day for anyone who is interested or thinking about attending a session with them:

I arrived in Ashland, Oregon at 2:30PM on Friday and met John and Chante at the Santo Daime offices for an interview at 3PM.  It was me, and 4 other people being interviewed with the intention of attending that evening at 6PM and/or Sunday evening at 5PM as well.  The interview took like a half hour, we all shared our personal stories in less than 5 mins each and explained our interest in ayahuasca, or as they must legally call it, "the Daime" or "the Sacrament", due to their court case with the federal government.  They shared with us some information about the ayahuasca, and about what they do here, and how it all works with them...etc.  Then interview was over, we all left and we're to meet at the Havurah Jewish Synagogue at 6PM.. which I thought was kind of strange, but whatever.

Stupidly though, I had decided to carpool with the older couple I was sitting across from during the interview.  Mainly because I didn't think I would have the energy to ride my motorcycle at night after an ayahuasca session, all the while trying to find the campground i left my stuff at, so, I wen't with them.  We arrived at the Synagogue at 6PM, just as they we're setting up, but still waiting on the church leader.

Now, the people who interviewed us we're very normal.. they we're positive and friendly, kind of funny even.. but the rest of the night was straight up insanity.

The first thing that I found to be weird was they wanted everyone to wear white.. and pretty much only white.  White shirts, white pants, white socks.. and then men were to wear blue ties, and the women, blue bowties.  I didn't have any white pants (and I wasn't going to where any anyways, hell no.) but I did have my blue and grey meditation pants which they said we're alright to wear.. and then I picked up a white t-shirt at K-mart on the way over.  So then I check out the seating arrangement.  It was pretty much 100+ chairs, all facing the center where the shamans (or leaders as we have to call them) sit, plus the church leaders as well.  And then men and women are divided down the middle.  A very uncomfortable seating arrangement for me.. ESPECIALLY if I am to be tripping on a powerful psychedelic!

So then I sat down and took a look at the hymn book that contained all the hymns they go through during this particular ayahuasca session called "the concentration."  They are all in Portuguese, but each song had the English translation on the following page.  Here are some of the English translations I have found online that are most similar to the kind in the hymn book:


Oh, Divine Virgin Mother
Antonio Gomes  19
 

O Divine Virgin Mother
Ordered to teach us
To know this Light
And to love th eDivine Father.

But they don’t want to believe
That this power exists
They only maintain their illusion
And no one tries to learn.

The Divine Eternal Father
Is the Owner of this power
It is He who gives strength to our Master
For whatever he wants to do.

Being within the Light
Everyone must believe
Because He has the discipline
And can discipline.

O Divine Virgin Mother
You are our Protectress
Give comfort to my brethren
You as Mother Creator.

Everyone must humble himself
With love in his heart
Before this power
Of the Virgin of Conception.


FIRMNESS
Sebastão  3
 

Firmness, firmness in love
Firmness, firmness where I am
I am firm with my Jesus
I am firm in this light where I am

Firmness, firmness in love
Firmness, firmness where I am
The Master orders me to work
The Master orders me to firm myself
In the place where He is.


I am Firm with my Jesus
Sebastião  4
 

I am firm with my Jesus
It was He who gave us this holy Light

This Light is of the Virgin of Conception
It was She who sent me to unite with my brethren

It was She who sent me to unite with my brethren
For the reunion from the separation

On this day, many people will cry
For there are many who don’t know how to love.


Okay, so I picked out some of the really religious ones :lol: there are some I found online that are more "spiritual" rather, as opposed to religious.  Though these religious ones we're the only type I came across in the book, and I read through most of it.  Here are some of the less religious ones I found online:


I Saw God in the Sun
Chico Corrente  20
 

I ask God to forgive my sins
To forgive me and my brothers and sisters
I ask God to give me the Holy Light
For me to love You in my heart.

I saw God in the Sun, in the Moon & in the Stars
I saw God in the wind, the earth and the sea
Everyone knows that God is in everything
Everyone be firm and composed in your place.

I say to everyone, with love in my heart
God is who gives us the Holy Light
God is who gives us our destiny
For us to leave this world of illusion.


FROM THE FOREST
Alfredo 14 (waltz)


From the forest I receive
Strength enough to  do my work
From the forest I have everything
Everything that God gives me

Oh, the forest is a splendor
In the way that it is made
It is with love that it is harmonized
And leaves the earth satisfied

We must all live on the earth
Each with total satisfaction
And if we want to have life
We give thanks to our Mother.


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/…  Irineu  64


I always live in this world
Viva!  All who wish
Viva! God in the heights
And the patriarch, St. Joseph

I give viva to the Virgin Mother
Viva to Her companions
Protect us in this world
You as Mother of Truth

The Sun which came to the earth
To illuminate everyone
To it there is no beautiful or ugly
He illuminates all equally

The Moon has three passages
All three are enclosed within Her
It is necessary to understand
That She is who controls the earth.


So yeah there are a mix of both out there associated with the Santo Daime.  However keep in mind that this particular church seems to reject the more down to Earth poetry and sticks to the brainwashing material instead :rolleyes:

You know what, I'm going to have to leave you guys hanging.. sorry lol.  This is taking longer than I thought and I really need to get some sleep.  Will update tomorrow. :peace:


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Re: So I contacted the Santo Daime church in Ashland, Oregon [Re: Satyapriya]
    #15168933 - 10/02/11 10:25 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Wow that's sucky. :thumbdown:


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Re: So I contacted the Santo Daime church in Ashland, Oregon [Re: Satyapriya]
    #15169055 - 10/02/11 10:58 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

GAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! im dying to hear the real bat shit crazyness! i hear the sound of 100 people puking is quite the jarring experience on aya!


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    #15169476 - 10/03/11 12:45 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

leaving me on the edge of my seat here man.
can't wait to hear the rest!


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    #15170143 - 10/03/11 05:06 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Shrooomtastic said: loss of vision + chronic back/neck pain, and feel as though I need some sort of reminder as to why I am here and why I should continue the fight.  I feel like ayahuasca can help me to reconnect to the answers to some of these questions.




How long have been suffering loss of vision? Do you know there are excercises you can do to retrain your vision--so to speak. there are videos on youtube

I have recently started experimenting Qigong. You familiar with this?

I am DEEELIGHTED you are thinking about partaking of the sacred Ayahuasca!! :smile:


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    #15170269 - 10/03/11 07:05 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Shrooomtastic said: loss of vision + chronic back/neck pain, and feel as though I need some sort of reminder as to why I am here and why I should continue the fight.  I feel like ayahuasca can help me to reconnect to the answers to some of these questions.




How long have been suffering loss of vision? Do you know there are excercises you can do to retrain your vision--so to speak. there are videos on youtube

I have recently started experimenting Qigong. You familiar with this?

I am DEEELIGHTED you are thinking about partaking of the sacred Ayahuasca!! :smile:




he already did the ceremony he thinks the particular church he went to is a cult we're waiting on pins and needles for the rest of the report!


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Re: So I contacted the Santo Daime church in Ashland, Oregon [Re: Rewindicus]
    #15170560 - 10/03/11 09:21 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Oh right LOL. I see. I didn't say anything before because i didn't wanna ruin your OWn finding out about this. I personally have never taken to this cult at all and was shoked to see them all dressed in white and it looks so straight and stiff--definately not my flva at all. But thanks for letting know the words of their hymns. This is a good expose of their brainwashing technique

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The Divine Eternal Father
Is the Owner of this power
It is He who gives strength to our Master
For whatever he wants to do.




That is typical patriarchy, for all the others call to the 'Divine Mother'--it makes it clear who is 'owner'. So it is just carry-on of the patriarchal BS that has caused and carries on causing the dissocation from nature.

Christian Rätsch is scathing about the Santo Daime church!

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    #15170584 - 10/03/11 09:29 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I don't see what the big deal is.  :shrug:

Whats so outrageous about a bunch of people, bombed out on DMT/harmala saying God is in everything? 

:awecid:

You chose to take this at a church if you recall.

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Re: So I contacted the Santo Daime church in Ashland, Oregon [Re: Cups] * 1
    #15170682 - 10/03/11 10:07 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I warned him it had a christian affiliation, what was he expecting?


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Re: So I contacted the Santo Daime church in Ashland, Oregon [Re: Icelander]
    #15174672 - 10/04/11 01:23 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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zzripz said:
Quote:

Shrooomtastic said: loss of vision + chronic back/neck pain, and feel as though I need some sort of reminder as to why I am here and why I should continue the fight.  I feel like ayahuasca can help me to reconnect to the answers to some of these questions.




How long have been suffering loss of vision? Do you know there are excercises you can do to retrain your vision--so to speak. there are videos on youtube

I have recently started experimenting Qigong. You familiar with this?

I am DEEELIGHTED you are thinking about partaking of the sacred Ayahuasca!! :smile:





The vision problem is due to a botched LASIK procedure that happened 3 years ago.  Vision therapy is not an option really as it is an issue with the cornea.  The only option left is another surgery, or patching, which I am looking into since I have recently discovered that they make a contact lens that acts like an eye patch that can be made to appear roughly the same as my eye.

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Estou confuso!




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I warned him it had a christian affiliation, what was he expecting?




Yes you did.  I guess I made the mistake of assuming that the ayahuasca may have made the community them more down to Earth or something :shrug:  But actually it was quite the opposite lol.  They we're sky high and I don't think they're coming down any time soon!  Seriously though, there was some intense negativity directed at me for simply wanting to sit outside amongst nature, in their garden which I might add, was within limits, and fucking meditate in peace.  I'm talking about a lot of power hunger, deep seated need to control, and just like general fakeness about their personalities.  Some of them we're cool and understanding of my situation, but others we're like straight up schizo-should not be taking psychedelics type people!

I'll pick up where I left off tomorrow perhaps.. Really I'm sorry about the hold up to whoever is reading, there is just a lot going on right now, and a lot to process still about this weekend.  I would much rather forget it already to be honest :sad: but i will share the experience. :peace:


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Re: So I contacted the Santo Daime church in Ashland, Oregon [Re: Satyapriya]
    #15175431 - 10/04/11 08:42 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

This nonsense is to be expected from any group imo.  That's why I avoid them all like the plague.  I know John and Chant from other places and for maybe 20 years and don't trust either of them as far as I can throw them.  They are the main reason I didn't want to be involved in that shit. Once I knew they were in it and high up I knew I didn't want that shit.  Still I've heard of some folk having good experiences there. :shrug:

I choose my tripping companions very carefully.  I need to trust them with my life so to speak and do.  There are only a few and most of my tripping is solo.  Solo is best imo.  You can buy the mixture easily on line now and expect good quality and a good experience.

Chalk it all up to experience and get on with it. :thumbup:


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Re: So I contacted the Santo Daime church in Ashland, Oregon [Re: Icelander]
    #15179725 - 10/05/11 04:17 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I think it is a BIG shock and disillusion when you find that some people who take psychedelics do not 'get it'. I have had this feeling when I first came into contact with online psychedelic forums and found some others didn't have the same insights as me about nature etc and seemed to adhere to scientific materialism---The Lycaeum forums are the worst for that, because the mods back it up so you have that power-influence, and people have to write an ESSAY to even be able to register---so it is like a school
I also found out cults from the past also would do this. So for example, the Dionysian Mysteries originally were very wild, and open regarding their interpretation of the ecstatic experience inspired with entheogenic sacrament--they were also oral, not writing anything down and pushing a dogma, yet within this school appeared this other mindset which was Orphism, and the did write their myth down and it was claiming that a divine spirit 'Dionysos' was trapped in the physical body, and only through this cult's 'purification' rituals could it escape back 'home'. So in other words they were making their followers paranoid about their own bodies and the natural world. THAT cult influenced Christianity!

So this is why I really really really encourage QUESTIONING. If something dont feel right to you, no matter HOW many people believe it, or what they take for inspiration, question it and question yourself. So I am glad to see you are doing that


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    #15179880 - 10/05/11 06:22 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I would love then for this tyhread to share ideas what you would like psychedelic experience, whether individual or communal or both or mixture of both to explore? Ie., you make it clear that Santo Daime is defo not for you :smile:---So can we explore what we would LIKE as a community regarding taking these powerful substances. The only way we can explore this is communicating and not being afriad to ask questions


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    #15180065 - 10/05/11 08:25 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I think it is a BIG shock and disillusion when you find that some people who take psychedelics do not 'get it'.

Maybe that is because there is no "it" to get outside of each persons subjective experience and desires.  There is no way for me to know if what I take away from the psychedelic experience is "it".  It is it for me personally however.


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    #15180165 - 10/05/11 09:18 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Yes, but I was speaking personally too when I say 'not get it'--I try and be clear. I mean those I feel who cling to a straictly scientific materialism and will not be open to others ways of experiencing the world.

Here's one example of this attitude. Several years ago at this supposed psychedelic forums, The Lycaeum, I was talking about the magical nature of water that I can experience, and another member replied in a hostile way--as you could tell by his typing etc "WATER is H20!!!"lol


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    #15180191 - 10/05/11 09:26 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

The Lyceum, was maybe the first forum dedicated to the psychedelic experience.  I belonged many years ago.  Many were great guys and pioneers. 

As to the water issue it's pretty much been debunked.  That doesn't mean that I believe the material world is all there is. I stay open on that one.  It's just that I don't claim to know things that I cannot demonstrate as many do on literally thousands of different personal ideas.  I'd be a complete dupe if I did.


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    #15180428 - 10/05/11 11:00 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

either of you guys care to share this debunked water debate with me? don't know if i've heard of this.


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    #15180442 - 10/05/11 11:07 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)



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    #15180457 - 10/05/11 11:11 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

thanks icelander:smile:


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    #15181738 - 10/05/11 04:40 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

LOL no, I didn't mean that one. See how you jump to conclusions, though I can dig how you would think it to do with that.

No, I was simply talking about water in a magical way. Tyrying to tell people that there are different ways to experience reality---bnot THINKING someone psychedelic experience would come back with "Water is H20!!!"

But it wasn't just that. the whole in-house vibe there was 'NO MAGICAL THINKING ALLOWED!!' and 'WHERE'S YOUR EVIDENCE FOR THAT SENTENCE?!'

And it is that which exposes how these places like Lycauem etc are like little worlds in the main world which promotes a scientific materialism.
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    #15181954 - 10/05/11 05:28 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

'NO MAGICAL THINKING ALLOWED!!'

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    #15184201 - 10/06/11 12:48 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

ok i'm ganna try and get through this quickly since i got class in an hour..

where did i leave off?

ah right, so i had just finished going through their brainwashing material and they we're getting ready to start the ceremony.  everyone took their seats and the shaman and church leaders sat in the center around a hexagonic table.  we said a prayer and eventually Johnathan, the church leader, walked up to the front of the room and whipped out the ayahuasca he had brewed at home.  the musicians in the center had finished tuning their instruments and began playing some of the songs, as people joined in.  then people started to line up, i guess whoever was ready to go first, so i followed and watch closely as the first in line approached Johnathan.  Now what they told us in orientation was that Johnathon would look into our eyes each time we wen't up to receive and his higher self would instruct him as to how much to give us.  he did exactly that (or at least he looked intently into our eyes as IF he was reading our souls), and usually asked us how we we're doing and made chit chat every now and then.  i liked him actually, i thought he had a very positive energy about him, and thought he seemed pretty cool, which he was.  My beef wasn't with him, John, or even Chante.. it was with the asshole guardians who wouldn't just let me be.

so anyways i got up and said hello, and he asked where i was from, and if I had taken ayahuasca before.  I said it was my first time but that I was quite familiar with psychedelics, and asked him to give me whatever he thought would be best.  He looked into my eyes and positioned his thumb somewhat close to the top of the glass, and filled it to that point.  I took a deep breath, somewhat nervously, and gulped it down... gahhh!  lol actually it wasn't that bad.  NOWHERE NEAR as bad as fucking cactus juice boiled on the stove!

I then said thank you, placed the glass on the tray and sat down.  So let's skip ahead to about a half hour when i started feeling the effects..

The first thing I felt was a lightness to my body, it just felt very light, and lights in the room seemed brighter.  I remember having my eyes closed for awhile just contemplating the sensations when I decided to open them finally, and looked over at the hymn book the guy was reading next to me.  And I swear!  There was no way he could have known i started looking at the book at that moment, but he pointed out to me exactly where we were in the song, almost as if he felt my attention intuitively.  I started trying to follow along with the song, which was in Portuguese, as they all are.  It was enjoyable for what I think was about the length of 3 songs, and then I started to think, "wow, this music really sucks!"  "channeled from the higher realms my ass!"  i looked ahead at the music and made an interesting note, at least i thought it was interesting.. the reason every song is so boring and sounds exactly the same is because every fucking song is in the key of C! or rarely, Am, which has all the same chords and notes as C.  Ughh, C, the most overused key in pop music history! basically because it is all the white keys on the piano, and also very easy to play on guitar.

it is at this time that my memory is a bit hazy, but i remember having a lot of back pain, as i have a former back injury, and riding 11 hours on the moto over the course of a 24 hour period didn't help.  Really my body just felt very weak, and my stomach was aching.  I didn't yet feel like throwing up, but it was getting there.  The ayahuasca high that i felt i could definitely compare to the higher awareness and insight I receive under the influence of magic mushrooms.  plus i read that DMT is only one oxygen molecule more than the chemical structure of psilocybin, so I guess that makes sense.  Although i felt much more groggy than on mushrooms (on which i feel hardly groggy at all), more like somewhat intoxicated.  i sensed however that the plant definitely had healing qualities to it, and started to understand its medicinal value to the people of the rainforest.  But still, only partly through this experience, as i don't feel like i was comfortable enough to go deeper into it.

So the initial come up was good, and was feeling the effects pretty strongly at this point.. but the rest of the night was a complete disaster..

I started to get deeply, DEEPLY sick of hearing this godforsaken music, and decided to ask a guardian if i could go to the back area and lie down.  they allowed me to do so.  they said it is best to lie on your back and so that's what i did.  I'm not sure what was going through my head at this point but I'm pretty sure it wasn't all that great.  I have a more than average amount of social anxiety around people when sober and definitely started to feel it more intensely as time went on.  And so my awareness of the presence of others was spiking, as were negative thought processes, which we're flooding my mind quite rapidly.  The music was really starting to become a problem for me now as I couldn't focus, and couldn't relax.  I decided then to ask to go outside.

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Fuck, well now I'm done with class, but have to go to sleep for work in the morning :sad: will finish this later.


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    #15184239 - 10/06/11 01:00 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

D-Y-I-N-G........did yo usee anything? fractals? colors? :popcorn:


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    #15187582 - 10/06/11 06:52 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Thanks for sharing your account - I'd like to hear more.


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    #15208600 - 10/11/11 09:36 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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    #15210173 - 10/11/11 04:41 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

they've got him. last i saw he was all in white and smiling and singing in Portugese


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    #15210276 - 10/11/11 05:06 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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    #15213257 - 10/12/11 12:44 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

W Aaaaaahhhh wtf man!?! You're killing me here! So far it sounds like a horrible experience, but still I want to hear the rest of the story. This past summer I had an amazing spiritual awakening and I thought maybe the Santo Daime would be a place for me, but after reading this account I am starting to think that I was mistaken. I'm down with j man, but I believe there is so much more to it than what organized religion would have you believe. Zzripz- I'm pretty sure iknow what you mean about getting "it." It's unforutnate that psychs don't necessarily help one to get it, but I have found that you can get "it" without the aid of psychs, it just takes a whole hell of a lot longer.


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    #15214064 - 10/12/11 03:43 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

He probably offed himself. :shrug:


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    #15214481 - 10/12/11 05:06 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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    #15214916 - 10/12/11 06:32 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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He probably offed himself. :shrug:




That seems to be your default response whenever someone stops posting for a while.

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Re: So I contacted the Santo Daime church in Ashland, Oregon [Re: Icelander]
    #15214920 - 10/12/11 06:33 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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He probably offed himself. :shrug:




How nice lol

i have just been non-stop busy since i got back.  but the rest of the story is coming.. patience plz.


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Re: So I contacted the Santo Daime church in Ashland, Oregon [Re: Satyapriya]
    #15214928 - 10/12/11 06:33 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Guess Ice is sad now.

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    #15215540 - 10/12/11 08:27 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

alright here we go, I'll do my best to remember the rest of the evening..

so i was feeling overwhelmed and asked one of the guardians if i could go outside.  he said sure and escorted me to the garden area around back.  i sat on the concrete, not really feeling sick or anything, just more like a little bit freaked out with the whole ceremony.  I chatted with the guy for a little while, who seemed pretty cool.  If he had taken the ayahuasca, then he had pretty good control over himself, bc he seemed totally normal to me.  i think one of the first things i said to him was something like, "man.. this is really weird." ... to which he replied, "oh without a doubt, VERY weird," lol.  i then asked him some questions about the ayahuasca, which i can't remember really, but remember him getting into all this stuff about the higher realms and the like.  whatever he said really must not have made any sense to me because i can't remember any of it.. so then i asked him about the church and what he thought about it, and i remember him saying something like, he just thought it was really cool that there is a community that gets together and takes psychedelics for the purpose of discovery and self-discovery...etc.  i think it was about that time that a raccoon ran across the patio right behind us lol.  and then a deer off in the distance, which was pretty awesome.  i was then feeling a little bit better and more grounded after talking to him and decided to go back inside.

They we're just starting to give out the second serving when I walked in, and so I contemplated whether or not I should drink once more..  I figured so long as I can go outside and get away from all this crazy energy, i would be fine.  so i took off my sweater, down to the white shirt again (since i had to wear that to receive), looked down at it and thought "whatever" lol, and entered the line.  when i got up to Johnathan again, he asked how i was feeling and how much i thought i would want to drink.. I shrugged and said "whatever you think," and he filled the glass to the top.  I gulped it down and then returned to my seat and rejoined the singing, for which i figured i would withstand for another 5-10 minutes and then go outside, to explore the effects of the ayahuasca in my own space.

but after about 5 minutes my stomach started to seriously ache, and i became anxious.  i felt like my body was telling me "no! too much! get it out!" but decided to stick it out for a little while longer.  i lasted about another 5 minutes when i decided i just couldn't hold it anymore, and asked a guardian if i could vomit somewhere.  he led me to the back and gave me a vomit bucket coated with some sort of tissue.  i dropped onto all fours in the back corner and just stared into the vomit bowl, waiting for it to come out.  eventually, i had to gag myself to get myself to be able to throw up, and then just let er rip!  AND OMG, IT FELT SO FUCKING GOOD TO VOMIT! :grin:

i remember that the gag reflex was so intense in this state that my entire field of vision brightened, almost to the point that everything i saw was bright white.  and good sensations rolled throughout my body.. "LA PURGA!" i thought lol.

i then sat there for another 5 minutes and then got up and decided to walk around a bit, feeling a bit more light and less groggy than before.  I walked over to the entrance where the bulletin board was and read some of the flyers, when i noticed something, the first like ACTUAL hallucination.. the walls we're quivering.  I've never seen this before..  I've seen the walls breathe and wave, but never quiver like this before.  And it was definitely in my periferals bc when i looked straight at the part that quivered, it remained still.  i was fascinated by this and thought how it looked almost like i could see the sound waves of the music bouncing off the walls just as they hit it.  it was quite beautiful.

at that point i was still pretty high on the ayahuasca and decided it would be a good time to go and meditate outside, so i grabbed my stuff and asked a guardian if it was alright.  i walked out back to the garden again and noticed that there we're many more people out there now, more like 10 or so.  Half of them vomiting in the bushes lol.  I pulled out my meditation cushion and sat down, and then wrapped myself in my shawl and just shut my eyes.  It was like a beautiful symphony of vomit noises and gagging all around me.

After about 5 minutes of sitting outside and trying to center myself, the guardian who led me outside this time, a different guy, said something like "okay are you good, ready to go back inside?"  i replied with "actually, do you mind if i stay out here for a little while? i'm not feeling well and need to center myself."  Then he started to go off on how i can't do that, how i signed up for this ceremony and how i HAVE to be a part of it... blah blah blah.  I then decided to be honest with him and said, "you know, this just isn't really vibing with me, i feel very uncomfortable in there.." we argued back and forth like this for about 10 minutes...

now i had already made the decision in my mind that there was no way i was going back in there lol, so i was basically just trying to relate my pain and discomfort to this guy this whole time, which i was very much so feeling at this point as well.  i had been up since 8am and had ridden 6 hours that day on the bike, and 6 hours the day before, so my back was killing me and i was just plain low on energy.  plus the lights around where they were singing were super bright and were straining my eyes as well.  but this did not work.  he eventually told one of the higher ups, a guy named cliff, who i will hopefully some day be able to forget.. i'm not kidding, this guy came out and aggravated me to my core like no one else has been able to do in years.

the first fucking thing he did was kneel down and look me right in the eyes as wide as his eyes could go and said "okay, look at me. what you are doing is not good. you're stuck in your lower body.." BLAH BLAH BLAH!  he wen't on like this for about 2 minutes.  I so badly wanted to say "get the fuck away from me you asshole!" but said instead, "man, put yourself in my shoes, i'm in a lot of pain right now, my back is killing me, my eyes are strained, i'm tired.." then he just cut me off!  and continued with his control freak rant talking metaphorically, in the most creepy way, about how he cannot have a part of his body not be where he can see it, or WHATEVER.  i was getting seriously frustrated with this guy, but still did not move from my cushion.  i started talking and again he cut me off.  and said, quite intensely, and crazily, "i don't have time for this, i have wasted enough time already." and stormed back inside.  i just sat outside, baffled by the complete insanity of this person, and just tried to let myself breathe and calm down.  But then another guardian came out and talked to me....

this was the black guy who gave me the vomit bucket.. and one of the first things he said to me was, and i'll never forget it:

"we miss your energy."

and in the most awkward and creepy way lol.  i couldn't help but laugh out loud after he said that.  i told him the same thing i told the others, and he said okay and left to go back inside.

over the next 5 or 10 minutes, as i sat there, like a dozen of participants wandered outside one by one to vomit in the bushes lol.  and then i noticed that crazy asshole cliff in the parking like, doing the weirdest thing i've ever seen... he had his hands together as if in prayer but up on his chest, with his head down a bit, walking SUPER rapidly in little circles on the pavement.  i was like, "oh dear God.."

it was then that i decided that this was not my kind of party, and decided to just leave and head back to my campsite...

now this is the epic moment of the night that i will never forget.. as i walked back inside from the back door, the first thing i saw, and heard, was about 10 people puking in the back area, and a few walking around in a haze.. then in the next area up, a man was lying on the couch having convulsions or something, and a guardian had his hand on his chest, as if he was exorcising a demon from his soul or something! and as if that wasn't enough, the final most creepy feeling i got was when i looked at he rest of the group, still singing in the circle beneath the lights, and at a very fast pace..

now its probably just my paranoia, but at that exact moment i got the distinct feeling that they we're channeling some sort of dark energy.. either that, or stealing people's energy and diverting it into the shaman.  I wanted to get away from it so badly, but had to interrupt the guy who i carpooled with to get my stuff from his truck.. ughh.

so i sneaked up behind him and tapped him on the shoulder and told him i had to leave, that some of the guardians were being very negative to me and that i just wanted to sleep.  i asked if i could get a ride, and he said he didn't think he could drive.  which was understandable.  we walked outside and as i was collecting my things that motherfucker cliff came up to me again!  all jittery like he had just snorted some cocaine he said "where are you going?!"  i said "i have to leave, this whole thing isn't vibing with me, and i need to get to sleep."  he said "you know, you signed a contract that you would stay for the entire session.." blah blah blah.. and i said "yes, well i'm going to have to break that contract. what are you going to do about it?"  he said, "okay, well i just need to know if you are leaving, you just have to let me know then.." :confused:  i then said "yes i'm leaving, bye." and walked away.  and he stormed inside again.

like i said, some people just should not be taking psychedelics :facepalm: plain and simple.

so i gathered my things and tried to consolodate again, enjoying this sweet sensation of freedom that was starting to rush over my body :smile:  but then the realization hit:  my campsite was 5 fucking miles away..

and i didn't have enough money for a taxi either, no joke.  and was still too high and freaked out to just walk up to someone late at night and try and ask for a ride.  i'm not really the type of person to do that anyways.  so i walked, for 5 miles down the main road, tripping on ayahuasca, until i FINALLY got to the camp site.  my legs we're completely worn out, arms too from carrying my things, and then i realized.. oh fuck! i forgot my headlamp at the church! :sad:

this basically means that i wouldn't have enough light to be able to set up my tent, and everyone else in the area was already sleeping.

it was at this point that i just accepted my defeat.. and collapsed under a tree, falling asleep on the grass.

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Re: So I contacted the Santo Daime church in Ashland, Oregon [Re: Satyapriya] * 1
    #15216010 - 10/12/11 10:13 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

WOWEE! that is quite the experience right there! your lucky they didnt off you! that cliff guy sounded like a nutjob the whole story gave me a disturbing behavior/stepford wives feel.


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Re: So I contacted the Santo Daime church in Ashland, Oregon [Re: Rewindicus]
    #15216558 - 10/12/11 11:54 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Wow man.  I know I gave you some shit at the beginning, but the more I think about it the more I am fairly sure that would've sketched me out pretty good.  The idea of someone arguing with me for 10 minutes about whether or not I could sit outside...fuck all that noise.

A couple of thing were pretty funnny though.

#1- Vive la purga!

#2-
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i said "i have to leave, this whole thing isn't vibing with me, and i need to get to sleep."  he said "you know, you signed a contract that you would stay for the entire session.." blah blah blah.. and i said "yes, well i'm going to have to break that contract. what are you going to do about it?"




:rofl2:

#3- Walking five miles tripping balls would take me like...3 hours at least.  I can't believe you made it there and then only to discover you couldn't put up your tent and just slept under the stars...which you could have done anytime along the five mile trek!

:rofl2::rofl2:

I picture you just collapsing into a heap of broken shards of a man at the campsite and I can't help but love you for it. :lol:

Cool story man.  :thumbup:  I'm giving you five shrooms just for the epicness of the tale in totality.

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Re: So I contacted the Santo Daime church in Ashland, Oregon [Re: Cups]
    #15217084 - 10/13/11 01:40 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

pretty badass trip report


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Re: So I contacted the Santo Daime church in Ashland, Oregon [Re: Cups]
    #15217838 - 10/13/11 07:51 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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He probably offed himself. :shrug:




That seems to be your default response whenever someone stops posting for a while.

Then you seem disappointed when they come back.

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Yeah everyone tends to disappoint.  My exes are all still alive also. :sad:


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Re: So I contacted the Santo Daime church in Ashland, Oregon [Re: Icelander]
    #15218760 - 10/13/11 12:50 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Icelander said:
He probably offed himself. :shrug:




That seems to be your default response whenever someone stops posting for a while.

Then you seem disappointed when they come back.

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Yeah everyone tends to disappoint.  My exes are all still alive also. :sad:





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Re: So I contacted the Santo Daime church in Ashland, Oregon [Re: Rewindicus]
    #15220235 - 10/13/11 05:42 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Damn that was crazy. See, the internet is awesome like that, now we don't have to be molested by a Brazilian priest in the psychedelia mutiverse.


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Re: So I contacted the Santo Daime church in Ashland, Oregon [Re: domite]
    #15227520 - 10/15/11 12:11 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

a+ trip report bro!

i can't imagine having to try to explain myself towards all that hostility from strangers while tripping nuts.
sounds like you handled it perfectly.

even after hearing all this, if there was a church in MN, i'd give it a shot.

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    #15228098 - 10/15/11 03:50 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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now its probably just my paranoia, but at that exact moment i got the distinct feeling that they we're channeling some sort of dark energy.. either that, or stealing people's energy and diverting it into the shaman.




Interesting... I wouldn't completely dismiss this as paranoia.  Cool trip report!


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    #15228375 - 10/15/11 07:39 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I doubt it's any thing so sophisticated even if such a thing were possible.  I know several of these people personally.  They are your average, self absorbed, bleeding heart liberal, dishonest,  new age mystical, emotionally immature, death anxiety obsessed, religious nuts I meet on the street every day.


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    #15228737 - 10/15/11 11:01 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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I doubt it's any thing so sophisticated even if such a thing were possible.  I know several of these people personally.  They are your average, self absorbed, bleeding heart liberal, dishonest,  new age mystical, emotionally immature, death anxiety obsessed, religious nuts I meet on the street every day.




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    #15228744 - 10/15/11 11:05 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

well since I am now allowed to post in this thread again, let me add this post for those who are investigating the Santo Daime by using the search feature of this website:

For anyone who read through this entire thread, I would like to add that I have somewhat of a bias against organized religion, especially modern Christianity, as well as a conditioned distrust in just about everyone I meet.. until I at least get to known them.  This no doubt shaped my view and the way I experienced the ceremony.  Keep in mind that there we're good people there who we're very positive and friendly, but simply just that there we're negative people there as well.  Also, consider that it may just be this particular church that is like this.. to me it is still conceivable that other Santo Daime churches, most likely those in other countries, are much more down to Earth and benevolent.  I still might check out another one sometime in the future, it would just depend on my evaluation of the church on its particular views and intentions with allowing newcomers to experience the effects of the ayahuasca, among other factors as well.  I am guessing though, that the next time I do it, IF I have the desire to do it, and capability to go there, it would be in the Peruvian Amazon with a shaman I trust.

The main reason I was so interested in the Santo Daime, aside from having the opportunity to try ayahuasca, was the contents of the foreword of the book they recommended I read, Forest of Visions:



I will write out the portion of the foreword that really made me believe in the power of ayahuasca, as well as the beliefs and intentions of the Santo Daime. It reads as follow:

"In 1992 a mysterious visitor arrived at our little personal growth center in the Shawangunk Mountains of New York State. He was an Andean shaman, a Quechua-speaking Yachag. He told us in his fluent Spanish that he was an appointed spokesman from the traditional peoples of the Andean high plateaus, and he delivered a message that gave us goosebumps!

Exactly five hundred years had passed since the coming of the European conquerors to the New World, and an Incan prophecy was asking for fulfillment. The white brother, forgetful of many things, would enact awful cruelties on the native peoples during the first five hundred years. There would be disrespect of the most fundamental rules of the proper human relationship to the Earth, and the resulting catastrophes would affect Pachamama, the Great Earth Mother.

But after five hundred years, a great turnabout would occur. The white brother would awaken, like a sleepwalker, from his violent trance. There would be an amazing healing that would affect the entire world, helping with the purging catastrophes that were coming.  The spirit of the Condor (South America) was asking to dance with the Eagle (North America). From their flight would emerge great joy and brotherhood between the peoples of North and South America and a new understanding between the children of the white brother and of the traditional peoples. A new relationship between the Earth and all of humanity would ensue."

:psychsplit:

The chapters of the book are as follows if you are interested:

1.  The Magician of Rio Branco
2.  The Prophet of the Amazon
3.  The Divine Gardener
4.  Zen Canoeing in the Igarape Mapia
5.  The Doctor of the Jurua
6.  Padrinho Sebastiao and Mestre Irineu
7.  I Raise This Banner
8.  The Duel with the Sorcerer
9.  The Spiritual Rebirth
10.  Memories of the Past
11.  Love Is to Be Shared
12.  New World New Life
13.  The End of Time The New Beginning
14.  The Future of New Jerusalem

Probably going to a little bit deeper this week.. and NO, I'm not brainwashed!  I am turned off by that particular church in Ashland, yes, and by some of its asshole participants, but I still have an open mind, as I believe we always should.

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Re: So I contacted the Santo Daime church in Ashland, Oregon [Re: Satyapriya]
    #16123474 - 04/22/12 10:02 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

Dude - I know this thread is old. But your story came to me as exactly the right time. I just got through spending nearly two years in the Santo Daime religion, and am done with those mother fuckers for good.

I don't have a lot of time to write. But here is a letter I sent to a friend that kind of explains it. Those assholes are lightweight, wannabe fucking shamans who are filled with so much gad-damned ego that it is fucking insane. But then, ultra-massive egos tend to follow Jesus around.

In a nutshell, those assholes betrayed me, and left me for dead in a field. Seeing your experience affirms the egotistical nature of many who are in the Santo Daime. There are good, mature people there. But the ego-cases so out number the good ones that it is essentially a totally egotistical religion. Most of those people seem like they're in it to feel good about themselves. They're just a bunch of new-agers who glom onto spiritual vocabulary to make themselves seem wonderful. But just hope you're not someone like me with very extreme spiritual needs. Because those betrayers will fuck a guy HARD!!!

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Hey bro - Have I got a story for you. I'm just reaching out to you. That's all. I'm not looking for any answers or anything. But I've ended my time in the Santo Daime.

This started back in August. I think I told you about it. I was being a dense hard-head about a matter, and a woman attacked me after a work with relatively great ferocity. I mean, she literally followed me around a house and through a field skull-hammering me with her 'inspiration' about what a selfish, unaware-of-the-needs-of-children-asshole that I am.

(This woman also spiritualizes her cuntishness by calling it her "Kali nature'....thus her 'inspiration' is in quotes).

In the meantime, it is turning out that my spiritual needs are so off the charts that it is totally mind-blowing. So this has the effect of launching me into a four month long nightmare. Dude, I could feel worms crawling on my brain. It was like insanity and death were doing everything to try and overtake me. My spiritual vision was surrounded by oceans of dead bodies. And this just would not stop....day after day, week after week, and month after month. You wouldn't have believed it.

One night I wound up on a Further concert (the latest incarnation of the Grateful Dead minus Jerry). Dude, I wound up in Lotus crawling all over the place, walking up and down the steps in lotus at the concert hall. And then I started sitting on three foot tall walls screaming and throwing myself off of the wall in full lotus onto hardened concrete. I did it again again without hardly even getting cut. It was amazing I didn't get hurt. When the show ended I was sitting on a wall screaming; "PEACE YOU MOTHER-FUCKERS!!!!" and then chucked myself off of a wall screaming in lotus, got up in the middle of a circle full of 'heads looking at me like; "WTF?!"; shouted "NO MORE FUCKING MUSHROOMS FOR THAT GUY!!!"; asked if everyone felt safe, and marched on out of there.

And I became very, very ugly during this time towards the person who did this to me. This was me truly discovering the total depth of my spiritual need, and my need for healing. And this was the leadership of Boulder current discovering the total depth of my spiritual need. But (name edited out) and (name edited out)and (name edited out)(the woman who attacked me) are total lightweights.

Even as much as a hard-head as I was being, a person with over a decade of Daime drinking should have known waaaaaaaay better than to attack someone while they were still high on Daime.

And because I became so ugly, they abandoned me. They just left me to rot dude. They saw my whole personality change on a dime, and they saw it stay changed. See, part of what happened is that I went on this really far out writing spree. Basically, all I wanted was for someone to just say they were sorry. I apologized profusely.....going so far as to compose a line-by-line apology for everything I ever said.

All anyone had to do was bend their ego just a little bit and say they were sorry. All anyone had to do was just reach out to me a little bit. But they wouldn't. So what could have been resolved in a couple of weeks time evolved into an extremely dangerous four month long nightmare. I could have died (name edited out). I could have lost my fucking mind.

All it would have taken is just a few words to reach out to me and alleviate huge suffering. But they wouldn't even do that.

And ever since that happened, I've tried to find some kind of sense in it. I've been back to four works, but told the Santo Daime to fuck-off the last time I went. And I'll never go back because the extremely ugly reality of what happened is starting to really settle in.

Those fucking lightweights encountered the true depth of my spiritual need, and they freaked out. And then they abandoned me. They literally betrayed me. I'm a fardado and a member of a family. Some family bro. Those people might as well have said to me; "Whoah! You're just a little much for us. So fuck off. But if you come around, then feel free to give us a call. We'll love to hear from ya".

When I was literally going through the very darkest period of my entire life (BY FAR)......those mother-fuckers abandoned me. They left me in a field to be eaten alive by my demons and they didn't give a fuck. And from trying to ferret out what happened over the last four months, a pretty clear picture has evolved.

Boulder current is comprised of a central core of about four people who comprise a Daime equivalent of a good old boy network. (name edited out)and the (name edited out) are three of those people. And after everything went down, those three got in the business of insuring their own egos were intact, and that they could go to bed feeling good about being (name edited out), (name edited out)and (name edited out)......and whatever was going to happen to me didn't matter at all.

On the first work I went back to, (name edited out)even said to my face; "We were really worried about you. We were even afraid for the safety of your children". But even then, that fucking betrayer would do nothing to reach out to me.

They're HUGE fucking ego-cases. There's (name edited out) who spiritualizes being a cunt. And (name edited out) spiritualizes his laziness with some bullshit philosophy about how its bad for people to disturb them while they're in their process....or some such bullshit that isn't even understandable.

He's a fucking moron. Yep. Fuck the Santo Daime.

This has evolved into true, blue trauma for me. I'm like...totally devastated. Given the leadership of the Boulder current, the Santo Daime is the worst possible place on earth I could have ended up.

Fuck the Santo Daime.


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Re: So I contacted the Santo Daime church in Ashland, Oregon [Re: Icelander]
    #16123502 - 04/22/12 10:22 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

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I know several of these people personally.  They are your average, self absorbed, bleeding heart liberal, dishonest,  new age mystical, emotionally immature, death anxiety obsessed, religious nuts I meet on the street every day.




No shyte! You just summed up the Boulder current PERFECTLY. Those ass-clowns are TOTAL lightweights. They have virtually ZERO idea how serious Working on Ayahuasca/Daime is. Do NOT wind up at a Santo Daime work if a person has very severe spiritual needs.

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    #16123519 - 04/22/12 10:28 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

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"you know, you signed a contract that you would stay for the entire session.." blah blah blah.. and i said "yes, well i'm going to have to break that contract. what are you going to do about it?" 





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    #16123697 - 04/22/12 11:40 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

Been walking my dogs and have been thinking about this thread, and about how huge egos dominate the Santo (prison rape me) Daime religion.

I used to be xian.....for nearly 20 years. And I was the real deal. I memorized enormous passages from the Bible for one thing. I KNOW the Bible very well (at least from a xian perspective). And after the event in August, I started to become jaded and began to question other fardados (fardado = a person who has been baptized in xianity) about why xrist is so venerated in The Santo Daime given His teachings.

Well, it turns out that I haven't been able to find one single person who even knows one single verse of the new testament. A bunch of 'em are just idiots who worship Jesus, and Mary in the hymns, and they don't even know why. And I am able to actually open up a Bible and show how Jesus very clearly taught that a loving God who is good will burn almost all people who have ever lived in hell forever.....for having 'wrong beliefs'. It's like Jesus said: "Yeah dude, my teachings are real peaceful and loving and stuff. But just in case you're not buying my message, you're going to burn in hell if you don't shove my message into your anus and keep it there".

And those mother-fuckers are so egotistical that even though the text is staring them right in the face, they will deny it and insist Jesus never taught anything like that. I've actually had a fardado say to me (after I totally destroyed him in debate, but he wouldn't admit it); "I don't actually even need to read the Bible to understand what is in it. The 'Holy Spirit' tells me everything I need to know".

WTF kind of a person actually walks around saying: "Check me out dude! I'm like...so totally holy that I don't even need to read a book to understand what is in it. God just fills me in on the details"!

What a self-stroking, ego-masturbator. There are enough ego-masturbating worshipers of themselves in the Santo Daime that it is just best to stay the hell away from it.


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Re: So I contacted the Santo Daime church in Ashland, Oregon [Re: FugueRider] * 1
    #16123761 - 04/22/12 12:10 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

You seem caught up on the abandonment issue and your disappointment with how your expectations with the group were violated.

Regardless of the purpose, context, time or place, human dynamics are going to be a part of ANY group. I don't care what drugs and mystical texts you throw in the works. This is another reason that McKenna recommended to explore yourself alone. People are strange enough creatures completely sober.

There is no holiness surrounding ayahuasca, surrounding any church, or surrounding any one experience. If you contact the Mystery, then that source exists in you and everything else. Don't try an seek it out in a group or an idea. It's the ever-present happening all around us.

Keep walking your dog. That's more holy than the fruitloops with a noble savage bias.


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    #16124031 - 04/22/12 01:24 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

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    #16124256 - 04/22/12 02:55 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

:whathesaid: yah sucks your ass got tapped but that's the risk you take. There's a lot here on the boards with similar experiences.


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Re: So I contacted the Santo Daime church in Ashland, Oregon [Re: Rewindicus]
    #16124481 - 04/22/12 04:24 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah, not cool that they abandoned you in a field mid-trip. That's the type of shit that's ganna get them shut down... :thumbdown:

Though I never expected them to help me with my personal demons. I wanted a safe environment to work through some of my issues and to do a little self-discovery, that's all. And they couldn't even give me that! Kept trying to force me back into the "ritual" or "ceremony", which was giving me seriously dark and sinister vibes at that point.

What were some of your experiences like with the vine though? Positive or negative? What do you think of some of the rituals they do? without the insanity of some of their members polluting it. I still think it's pretty #@$%#$^ crazy...


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Re: So I contacted the Santo Daime church in Ashland, Oregon [Re: Satyapriya]
    #16124966 - 04/22/12 06:37 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

I cant help but agree with everything symbols says <3

My ego would love to participate just to completely override the fuckedness of it all. I would have fun showing them TRUE light. But my actual self is typically silent on the matter.

After thought: you took ayahuasca. Nobody can twist the beauty of it, not really. Even though that was so meh you, took ayahuasca. Youve beten changed in ways that may not have arrived yet. And I guarantee its all for the best
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    #16125221 - 04/22/12 07:25 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

It's a shame the current law in a way gives these groups a monopoly on legally consuming Aya. I have faith that will change within the next decade and other alternative will open to consume this stuff.


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    #16125824 - 04/22/12 09:49 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

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It's a shame the current law in a way gives these groups a monopoly on legally consuming Aya. I have faith that will change within the next decade and other alternative will open to consume this stuff.




Well, it's legal due to the religious freedom act, which is a good thing. It's just a shame that they go over the top with the patriarchal brainwashing B.S...

Maybe an ancient Peruvian tribe will pop out of the amazon and fight for their right to consume ayahuasca in the states :shrug:

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Where is that private church that was mentioned in this thread in Northern California? [Re: Satyapriya]
    #16605882 - 07/28/12 02:28 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Hi, just wondering where that church is in Northern California that the Cosmic Cowboy mentioned in this thread... does anyone know? Maybe in a private message if you would rather?

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Hi, just wondering where that church is in Northern California that the Cosmic Cowboy mentioned in this thread... does anyone know? Maybe in a private message if you would rather?

Thanks,

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    #16608234 - 07/28/12 11:27 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Way to bump this thread! This was an enjoyable read while at work for me today! I just have a hard time trusting any of these ritualistic groups. But it sounds like maybe you learned what you don't want to do in the future! I am interested in going to Peru for an ayahuasca experience. But I am worried about having there type of experience that you had there...and being sooo far away.


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    #16608533 - 07/29/12 01:14 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

holy shit! santo daime is known for this cult shit though!


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    #16615989 - 07/30/12 01:10 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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Way to bump this thread! This was an enjoyable read while at work for me today! I just have a hard time trusting any of these ritualistic groups. But it sounds like maybe you learned what you don't want to do in the future! I am interested in going to Peru for an ayahuasca experience. But I am worried about having there type of experience that you had there...and being sooo far away.




Yeah I'm weary about that too. I'd have to really feel like I could trust the shaman before partaking with him or his group. As I've heard some pretty dark and disheartening stories...


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Re: So I contacted the Santo Daime church in Ashland, Oregon [Re: c0sm0nautt]
    #16669877 - 08/09/12 09:30 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

A good friend died a few weeks ago from trying this to help him solve some problems he was having.


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    #16669916 - 08/09/12 09:46 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

If it's not fabricated then how about some factual news links to what you are claiming.

Not that I wouldn't be surprised but I'm not taking your word for it.


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    #16670105 - 08/09/12 11:06 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Come on, AshlandHippyFux has as history of honestly on these forums. I sense no anger or bitterness in his post. :lol:


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    #16670462 - 08/09/12 12:36 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

:lol:

Well I know some guys in that group. I personally don't care for them but I wouldn't dis them to that extent without some evidence.


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Re: So I contacted the Santo Daime church in Ashland, Oregon [Re: c0sm0nautt]
    #16670621 - 08/09/12 01:12 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Edited my previous post because I was angry and sad thinking about and was venting sorry.

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If it's not fabricated then how about some factual news links to what you are claiming.

Not that I wouldn't be surprised but I'm not taking your word for it.




Take it for what you want just be careful. I only posted to hopefully help some people in a real spiritual way and avoid a tragedy. I was trying find details about what happened which led me to these forums.

I've tried to find links or a news report too and wasn't able to. This is coming from direct communication with friends, not the Internet.

According to what I heard the "Shaman" or "gaurdian" neglected him and he choked on his own vomit. But everyone is in distress about it and I didn't want to press the issue at this time, as you might imagine.

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:lol:

Well I know some guys in that group. I personally don't care for them but I wouldn't dis them to that extent without some evidence.




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Come on, AshlandHippyFux has as history of honestly on these forums. I sense no anger or bitterness in his post. :lol:




I don't know who the "Shaman" was but I created the name because I've experienced many negative people who I definitely wouldn't consider "kind" who are associated with that culture in the area.

Should I be happy my friend died trying to deal with/solve some internal problems? There are several other instances of people not getting better and going crazy recently. I just wanted people to know.

It was a bad choice for a name I probably won't post anymore.



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    #16671098 - 08/09/12 03:00 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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Take it for what you want just be careful. I only posted to hopefully help some people in a real spiritual way and avoid a tragedy. I was trying find details about what happened which led me to these forums.

I've tried to find links or a news report too and wasn't able to. This is coming from direct communication with friends, not the Internet.

According to what I heard the "Shaman" or "gaurdian" neglected him and he choked on his own vomit. But everyone is in distress about it and I didn't want to press the issue at this time, as you might imagine.




Ughh, that's horrible! I'm sorry to hear that :sad:

Fucking Santo Daime... I'm not in the least bit surprised.

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    #16671223 - 08/09/12 03:32 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Well, sorry to hear about that man. A real tragedy that could have been averted. I try and stay away from the institutions, whether they be as small as Santo Daime or as large as the Vatican. People probably have mixed experiences though. Nothing beats good friends you can trust.


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    #16671883 - 08/09/12 05:34 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Actually I think I  remember this now.  The leader left him alone against protocol from what I've heard and the guy died on his vomit.  Was this the guy trying to break drug or alcohol addiction?

Sounds like a nice try gone bad.  However mistakes like this can happen when you put your life in another's hands.  Just look at all the mistakes doctors make that kill the patient.  It's amazing any of us make it to old age. 

Maybe he's in a much better place now. :shrug:


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Maybe he's in a much better place now. :shrug:




:waitwhat:

Did Icelander actually say something positive and encouraging??

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    #16675716 - 08/10/12 12:10 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Shit man anyplace has got to be better than earth. :satansmoking:


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    #17826373 - 02/18/13 08:20 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

so i am from brazil and i am in california. i want to go to a santo daime work here in the us. whats the email so i can contact the church? can someone help me?


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so i am from brazil and i am in california. i want to go to a santo daime work here in the us. whats the email so i can contact the church? can someone help me?




have you read the whole thread??


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    #17828813 - 02/19/13 07:28 AM (1 year, 9 months ago)

I am DELIGHTED this thread has been buimped into life again. I love it so much I could eat it!!!



It is also funny seeing my part in it from last year also.
Why do I love it so much. BECAUSE IT IS REAL!!!

In another thread I have started at The Shroomery titled 'power versus powerlessness' I am trying to explore for myself and hope others explore with me how these games of control-freakery are devised and maintained in all seemingly un-related myths, philosophies, cults, religions, subjects and institutions, and the only way we can undermine control-freakery whereever it rears its head is by questioning. ALWAYS questioning

a) what control-freakery do we continue under?
A so-called war on drugs, which includes being a war on freedom for individuals to ingest what they want and to explore consciousness, and nature and reality.

b) Yes, there is the much hyped resurgence of psycho-therapeutic psychotherapy, BUT these are 'studies' dotted about still inaccessible to the general public, and under the control of the medical authority, and IF and WHEN it is allowed people can choose psychedelic psychotherapy it will be SO expensive that only people with lots of money will be able to have the therapy!

c) As clearly shown in this thread the communal groups that are allowed to have a psychedelics as a sacrament also are very control-freakery and follow one of THE most control-freaking religions ever to come about--Christianity!!

d) So what about the shamans down Peru tourist trip? I encourage even with this ancient way to question question question. OUR experience is different from theres. We need to come together and openly find out what we want. I love where Cosmomaut said this:

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...I try and stay away from the institutions, whether they be as small as Santo Daime or as large as the Vatican. People probably have mixed experiences though. Nothing beats good friends you can trust.




This is what is priceless about places like The Shroomery, the FREEDOM to explore all different ways and means of psychedelics etc. DIVERSITY. What do we see when we look at nature? Diversity. It is really when the control-freak mindset of some men comes onto the scene and impose MONO-culture on everything that diversity, richness, and fruitfullness is destroyed.


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Actually I think I  remember this now.  The leader left him alone against protocol from what I've heard and the guy died on his vomit.  Was this the guy trying to break drug or alcohol addiction?







This makes far more sense- an addict that was intoxicated on other drugs at the time, et cet.

DMT and other seretonergic hallucinogens don't strike me as the kind of thing you can be choking on your vomit on- I would think you'd be way to awake to do that unless you had swallowing problems or something.  If the guy was on depressants at the time, especially those the MAOIs would prolong the effect of or interact with, it would seem far more likely that he could suffocate on his vomit while unconscious or with reduced consciousness.


Personally I've always been very skeptical of these psychadelic addiction cures- if you can't decide while relatively sober that you need to cut out the booze/opoids/whatever, I don't know what some hallucinogen is going to do for you.  If you have the self insight to take the hallucinogen in the first place to examine your addiction, it seems like you'd allready have the motivation to quit.


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Re: So I contacted the Santo Daime church in Ashland, Oregon [Re: johnm214]
    #17830971 - 02/19/13 05:32 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

I've read anecdotal experiences with Ibogaine where it apparently eliminated all cravings for heroin after the trip, which obviously would be extremely useful. One cannot accomplish the same thing through thought alone.


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Re: So I contacted the Santo Daime church in Ashland, Oregon [Re: deCypher]
    #17831403 - 02/19/13 06:53 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

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it apparently eliminated all cravings for heroin after the trip




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I just want to meet someone who is in contact with the spirits that I am experiencing.  I want healing and consider entheogens but I've gotten myself into a new world.  Its a lonely place.  I want a connection to Love.  Or the source.  I feel corked and trapped in my body.  I don't like this creepy DMT church but in the right mind frame I think things could go well.  I believe.


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Re: So I contacted the Santo Daime church in Ashland, Oregon [Re: FishOilTheKid]
    #17833990 - 02/20/13 04:34 AM (1 year, 9 months ago)

you never thought of going down Peru to find help from an Ayahuescero?


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Re: So I contacted the Santo Daime church in Ashland, Oregon [Re: zzripz]
    #17834437 - 02/20/13 09:07 AM (1 year, 9 months ago)

Dont' think I could afford it...


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Re: So I contacted the Santo Daime church in Ashland, Oregon [Re: FishOilTheKid]
    #17834967 - 02/20/13 12:11 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

yeah. its fo the rich niggas alright


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Re: So I contacted the Santo Daime church in Ashland, Oregon [Re: Satyapriya]
    #17845987 - 02/22/13 09:09 AM (1 year, 8 months ago)

Anymore I like taking psychedelics alone


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Re: So I contacted the Santo Daime church in Ashland, Oregon [Re: AIRDOG]
    #17865447 - 02/25/13 09:42 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

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if the shaman is juan ruiz you should not take the ceremony at all... they are demons in the dress of angels and they want to mind control you and get your energy




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i got the distinct feeling that they we're channeling some sort of dark energy.. either that, or stealing people's energy and diverting it into the shaman.




Interesting... I wouldn't completely dismiss this as paranoia.  Cool trip report!




I told you that shit from the start... aya cult is sinister shit.... it was not only a personal shit with what i told you about this shaman... most of new age aya cults are this mind control bullshit... they had a great friend of mine subdued to them for like a year... they make them worship the shamans who steal their energy... they are cheaters and satyrs


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Re: So I contacted the Santo Daime church in Ashland, Oregon [Re: AIRDOG]
    #17867351 - 02/26/13 04:48 AM (1 year, 8 months ago)

After your experience, how do you trip now? What have you learned regarding psychedelic experience, and ways to experience it that don't manipulate the person---if you get me?


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Re: So I contacted the Santo Daime church in Ashland, Oregon [Re: johnm214]
    #17929636 - 03/09/13 05:39 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

OK PLEASE I JUST WANT THE EMAIL TO TALK TO THE PEOPLE FROM THE CHURCH
I MAKE DAIME WORKS SINCE I WAS BORN AND I AM LIVING IN THE US AND I WANT TO GO WHILE I AM HERE. I ALREADY READ THE PREVIOUS POSTS BUT I CANT FIND IT
PLEASE HELP?


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Re: So I contacted the Santo Daime church in Ashland, Oregon [Re: lilibra]
    #17930326 - 03/09/13 08:00 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

It's called google man.


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Re: So I contacted the Santo Daime church in Ashland, Oregon [Re: Cactilove]
    #17930681 - 03/09/13 09:09 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

this shit is getting less and less surprising to me


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Re: So I contacted the Santo Daime church in Ashland, Oregon [Re: zzripz]
    #17967206 - 03/17/13 05:22 AM (1 year, 8 months ago)

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After your experience, how do you trip now? What have you learned regarding psychedelic experience, and ways to experience it that don't manipulate the person---if you get me?




I trip solo now lol

Haven't done ayahuasca since then, nor do I have much desire to as it tasted disgusting. I have done shrooms a few times since then in the mountains here in California and have had some great experiences. The benefit is practically the same for me when comparing the two. I feel like a lot is released and feel lighter afterwards.

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Re: So I contacted the Santo Daime church in Ashland, Oregon [Re: Satyapriya]
    #17967595 - 03/17/13 09:28 AM (1 year, 8 months ago)

I VERY much am with you about the amazing value of tripping in nature. However, about watching TV. I know what you mean, but what I have discovered is that when I have found myself watching scenes you couldn't see in your own surroundings, this can have a deep effect on you also. ALSO if say I have found meself watching documentaries about serious issues like war, I feel I can see infinitely more directly into the meaning of it that ordinarily and this gives me sights that I then integrate into my life.
One exacmple was watching this documentary about the Israeli and Palestinian conflict and really seeing how nature connects all these human who for whatever reason are in conflict with each other because of absurd beliefs. When really if they all got together and eat some shrooms they would feel and see how NATURE--in the deepest meaning of that meaning--is what connects us. it is one thing intellectualizing about this but when you see it it has deep effect on you. So TV CAN be a fucker true, but it depends how it is watched


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Re: So I contacted the Santo Daime church in Ashland, Oregon [Re: zzripz]
    #17967802 - 03/17/13 11:25 AM (1 year, 8 months ago)

I agree.

And, I also agree that there would at least be a common thread if they all ate shrooms.  I swear it would fulfill some type of prophecy for them all.


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    #18596157 - 07/22/13 09:09 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

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I just want to meet someone who is in contact with the spirits that I am experiencing.  I want healing and consider entheogens but I've gotten myself into a new world.  Its a lonely place.  I want a connection to Love.  Or the source.  I feel corked and trapped in my body.  I don't like this creepy DMT church but in the right mind frame I think things could go well.  I believe.




New member here, I recently returned from the church folks seem to be down on.
I had an excellent, spiritual experience beyond anything acid ever showed me or shrooms. I was very happy that the guardians were there, their presence normalized vibrations that were totally headed to some 'beyond-here-therebe-Dragons' places :smirk:
Your body experience is a necessary part of your life, if it becomes a blockage, address it face on, Aya will help. Always check your set and setting, crucial. Get off the meds, crucial; that crap in your system mixed with a ceremony could put you down for the count.
Eat right, study, remain reverent, avoid sex for 3 days prior and 3 days after...starting to go on here, just be of good cheer, know you've chosen right for you and go forth and modify and magnify your life. Ayahuasca will help..Santo Daime is simply translated, holy give me.
Remember to use language of healing, it works. One, lack of knowledge, viewing should not encourage folks to condemn the Santo Daime. They are a true out growth of Gaia's attempts to gain our attention.
So hang in there FishOilTheKid, those are good folks there. I will return as a participant again and to learn there, it is not my intent to become a member. That is not my path, but lordy I do thank Gaia for the lovely oasis's she is allowing to pop up all over the world, sure are allot :mushroom2:


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Re: So I contacted the Santo Daime church in Ashland, Oregon [Re: Satyapriya]
    #19566651 - 02/14/14 04:40 PM (9 months, 5 days ago)

Hi, I've been trying to get in touch with the Daime since I lived back in Philadelphia.. I'm now on the west coast and only like 3 hours from ashland, OR. Is there any way you can hook me up with a way to contact them? I'm ready to go but I don't just wanna show up, especially after reading your post.. Please any contact info would be so appreciated. I've been digging al over the internet but cant seem to get in touch with them. The closest I got was an email to the church in brazil. Thanks Jason
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Re: So I contacted the Santo Daime church in Ashland, Oregon [Re: cannonballz]
    #19566660 - 02/14/14 04:43 PM (9 months, 5 days ago)

Dude- don't put your email on here. Send it in a private message.


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