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#15021710 - 09/03/11 08:07 AM (8 months, 22 days ago) |
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1. International viral epidemic?
2. Global starvation?
3. World War III?
Those are about the only real options. Unless we voluntarily control our breeding, it will be involuntarily controlled through horrific means; though not nearly as horrific as wearing a condom.
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1. International viral epidemic?
2. Global starvation?
3. World War III?
I might start to develop a virus that makes women infertile by converting cholesterol to progesterone ( the hormone used in birth control pills ). It would however be preferable if people realized themselves that they should stop to procreate like a cancer tumor in the biosphere. Overpopulation is also not the only issue. The human population increased by about 300% during the 20th century. This might seem like a lot, but the amount of energy consumed by humanity increased by about 1000% during the 20th century, and the gross world product increased by about 4000% during the 20th century. So most of the increased pressure on the biosphere actually comes from economic growth in the rich countries, rather than from population growth in the poor countries.
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 Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: Zanthius]
#15021763 - 09/03/11 08:31 AM (8 months, 22 days ago) |
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The problem with birth control pills is it can negatively effect female mood. Are you sure we need more of that?
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: Icelander]
#15021769 - 09/03/11 08:34 AM (8 months, 22 days ago) |
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That is another option. Make men and women be repulsed by one another. Of course, alcohol would still remedy that in the short term.
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In my last ex she said they made her all emo and girly.
Her words. She hated it..
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: Icelander]
#15021776 - 09/03/11 08:35 AM (8 months, 22 days ago) |
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Let's discontinue medical science.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: Grapefruit]
#15021779 - 09/03/11 08:36 AM (8 months, 22 days ago) |
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That will backfire. Currently docs are killing their patients in record numbers. 
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: Icelander]
#15021782 - 09/03/11 08:37 AM (8 months, 22 days ago) |
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: Icelander]
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The problem with birth control pills is it can negatively effect female mood. Are you sure we need more of that?
Could make a virus that produces both progesterone ( infertility ) and serotonin ( emotional stability )....
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: Grapefruit]
#15021810 - 09/03/11 08:43 AM (8 months, 22 days ago) |
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Reinstate forced sterilization for all people determined by the state to be defective and not worthy of reproduction. Just like the good old days.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: Zanthius]
#15021836 - 09/03/11 08:49 AM (8 months, 22 days ago) |
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The problem with birth control pills is it can negatively effect female mood. Are you sure we need more of that?
Could make a virus that produces both progesterone ( infertility ) and serotonin ( emotional stability )....
Get on it. Let me know.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: Zanthius] 1
#15021863 - 09/03/11 08:56 AM (8 months, 22 days ago) |
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Open you're eyes.
Human Population isn't the problem. I'm tired of explaining this to people so this will be very brief....
When every american has 100x the ecological footprint as 1 bangledeshi, then you can't say that the number has a significant impact. It's obviously lifestyle.
(let's just say for sake of convo)
100 x bangledeshi lifestyle = 100 imprints
100 x American lifestyle = 10,000 imprints
Change the way you live and quit cursing the beautiful act of creation. It's the cursed way everyone's minds think, with those exact bad thoughts that need to be resolved.
"oh I'll just poison everyone and make the women infertile."
"oh well just take out 500,000 low-impact iraqis"
No, fuck that.
If you researched the numbers of people, the the arable land available, the technology available, the POTENTIAL technology we could harness, things could be going in the complete opposite direction, if we would redirect our energies towards expansion and progression- simple shit really. Not quite as simple as "oh we just need to wear condoms and never reproduce?!?!?"
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: Icelander]
#15021864 - 09/03/11 08:56 AM (8 months, 22 days ago) |
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For all the people who want to "correct" the population I have two words. You first.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: zappaisgod]
#15021899 - 09/03/11 09:04 AM (8 months, 22 days ago) |
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Yaaaaaaaaaaay!
Thank you! You just saved me from typing my previous post out ever again in my life. That's a simple clever response.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: LightShedder]
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When every american has 100x the ecological footprint as 1 bangledeshi, then you can't say that the number has a significant impact. It's obviously lifestyle.
Sure. The economy grew with 4000% during the 20th century, while the population only grew with 300%. So a larger footprint obviously comes from economic growth in rich countries, rather than from population growth in poor countries. But who do you think is going to suffer first when the global oil production starts to fall? The poor countries of course, because they cannot afford higher oil prices. Then the agricultural machinery is going to stop in the poor countries, and billions of poor people are going to starve to death. Personally I think a birth control virus is much more humane than letting billions of people starve to death, but that is just me...
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: Zanthius]
#15021933 - 09/03/11 09:11 AM (8 months, 22 days ago) |
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I have reason to believe water, or a lack of potable water that is, will become the greatest thinning out factor in the coming years or decades.
Maybe. I'm no scientist.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: Zanthius]
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You're missing my point. I emphasized lifestyle. That includes industrial revolution era lifestyles. How did large cities feed themselves before the incorporating of fossil fuels into technology?
Think about this...
We could have 30 billion humans living like bangledeshi spread out around the planet and they would only use as much energy as the country of the US currently does with 300 million. That would be the entire global energy consumption. If we equipped renewable zero-impact energy measures then we count continue with intellectual/technological/spiritual progression.
It's easy to feed yourself and 10 other people the entire time your living if your really motivated.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: LayinUp]
#15021968 - 09/03/11 09:19 AM (8 months, 22 days ago) |
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I have reason to believe water, or a lack of potable water that is, will become the greatest thinning out factor in the coming years or decades.
Maybe. I'm no scientist.
Self reclamation/purification of rainwater is very simple and can be done with no impact on the earth if you're resourceful.
So long as the cycle of precipitation occurs, were not likely to run out of drinking/irrigation water.
I bet we could find an efficient method for purifying ocean water to the quality of potable.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: LightShedder]
#15021980 - 09/03/11 09:23 AM (8 months, 22 days ago) |
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You're missing my point. I emphasized lifestyle. That includes industrial revolution era lifestyles. How did large cities feed themselves before the incorporating of fossil fuels into technology?
Think about this...
We could have 30 billion humans living like bangledeshi spread out around the planet and they would only use as much energy as the country of the US currently does with 300 million. That would be the entire global energy consumption. If we equipped renewable zero-impact energy measures then we count continue with intellectual/technological/spiritual progression.
It's easy to feed yourself and 10 other people the entire time your living if your really motivated.
I'm currently going to school for renewable energy and I can attest that the earth can support a body load of upwards of 50billion people if the already known simple, cheap, and renewable energy technologies that exist were employed.
The whole oil establishment is what's preventing this though. But even the oil companies aren't to blame - directly. After all, what are oil (or any) companies after? Profit. Money.
This money system will be our (minus myself) ultimate undoing.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: LayinUp]
#15022014 - 09/03/11 09:31 AM (8 months, 22 days ago) |
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I have reason to believe water, or a lack of potable water that is, will become the greatest thinning out factor in the coming years or decades.
Maybe. I'm no scientist.
I bought stock in water infrastructure!
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: LayinUp]
#15022033 - 09/03/11 09:34 AM (8 months, 22 days ago) |
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I'm currently going to school for renewable energy and I can attest that the earth can support a body load of upwards of 50billion people if the already known simple, cheap, and renewable energy technologies that exist were employed.
I think it wonderful that you can attest to all of the ramifications of a population 7 times as large as today. Was this the school of Nostradamus? And of course, once 50 billion is hit, then everyone will stop fucking like bunnies.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: Sly Stone]
#15022037 - 09/03/11 09:35 AM (8 months, 22 days ago) |
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"Sure. The economy grew with 4000% during the 20th century, while the population only grew with 300%. So a larger footprint obviously comes from economic growth in rich countries, rather than from population growth in poor countries."
Who said economic growth in "rich countries" has to be correlated directly with a larger footprint?
You say this, but it's not fact.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: LightShedder]
#15022041 - 09/03/11 09:36 AM (8 months, 22 days ago) |
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We could have 30 billion humans living like bangledeshi spread out around the planet and they would only use as much energy as the country of the US currently does with 300 million. That would be the entire global energy consumption. If we equipped renewable zero-impact energy measures then we count continue with intellectual/technological/spiritual progression.
It's easy to feed yourself and 10 other people the entire time your living if your really motivated.
Reducing people's lifestyle is not not better than limiting population growth.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: Sly Stone]
#15022059 - 09/03/11 09:38 AM (8 months, 22 days ago) |
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I did my part by being shorter than average. Death to anyone over 6 foot! 
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I'm currently going to school for renewable energy and I can attest that the earth can support a body load of upwards of 50billion people if the already known simple, cheap, and renewable energy technologies that exist were employed.
I think it wonderful that you can attest to all of the ramifications of a population 7 times as large as today. Was this the school of Nostradamus? And of course, once 50 billion is hit, then everyone will stop fucking like bunnies.
We have 50-100 years before our population exceeds the sustainable 50billion. If we shifted the resources we currently waste on the condom preaching hysterical Laguna beach iPad my space Facebook bullshit war on drugs war on terror crap- and directed it towards positive scientific and technological advancement- mainly focused on the survival/propagation of our species through time and space- believe me, we have the potential and the capability to do very galactically groovy things.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: LightShedder]
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Something tells me that we won't drop all of our luxuries in order to form one big happy utilitarian community.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: zappaisgod]
#15022099 - 09/03/11 09:46 AM (8 months, 22 days ago) |
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We could have 30 billion humans living like bangledeshi spread out around the planet and they would only use as much energy as the country of the US currently does with 300 million. That would be the entire global energy consumption. If we equipped renewable zero-impact energy measures then we count continue with intellectual/technological/spiritual progression.
It's easy to feed yourself and 10 other people the entire time your living if your really motivated.
Reducing people's lifestyle is not not better than limiting population growth.
You say this as though it is a fact. You're entitled to your opinion, even if it contradicts facts such as
http://www.uni.edu/gai/Bangladesh/BackgroundInformation/BangladeshsEcologicalFootprint.htm
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For all the people who want to "correct" the population I have two words. You first.
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Something tells me that we won't drop all of our luxuries in order to form one big happy utilitarian community.
You need to take more next time.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: LightShedder]
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Open you're eyes.
Human Population isn't the problem. I'm tired of explaining this to people so this will be very brief....
When every american has 100x the ecological footprint as 1 bangledeshi, then you can't say that the number has a significant impact. It's obviously lifestyle.
(let's just say for sake of convo)
100 x bangledeshi lifestyle = 100 imprints
100 x American lifestyle = 10,000 imprints
Change the way you live and quit cursing the beautiful act of creation. It's the cursed way everyone's minds think, with those exact bad thoughts that need to be resolved.
"oh I'll just poison everyone and make the women infertile."
"oh well just take out 500,000 low-impact iraqis"
No, fuck that.
If you researched the numbers of people, the the arable land available, the technology available, the POTENTIAL technology we could harness, things could be going in the complete opposite direction, if we would redirect our energies towards expansion and progression- simple shit really. Not quite as simple as "oh we just need to wear condoms and never reproduce?!?!?"
And in history when has humanity ever really, on a large scale, gone in for equality?
You can preach all you want about things that aren't ever going to happen as far as we know and continue on with the beautiful act of creation secure in the fact that you are being very PC about it.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: 4896744]
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I had 3 wells and a bigass pond on my property so it's all good - I'm not going thirsty any time soon.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: LayinUp]
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I'm currently going to school for renewable energy and I can attest that the earth can support a body load of upwards of 50billion people if the already known simple, cheap, and renewable energy technologies that exist were employed.
If you learned that in school, then the teachers in your school lack a lot of information regarding the pressures on the biosphere.
I am all for developing second generation biofuels from perennial grasses or third generation biofuels from algae, but its going to be much more expensive to produce 1 barrel of biofuel from perennial grasses or algae, than to produce 1 barrel of oil in Saudi Arabia. Right now we haven't even figured out how efficiently break down lignocellulose. There is going to be global starvation and death long before we get cheap biofuels.
Technically speaking we could also get electric energy from solar panels and use that energy to either charge battery cars or produce hydrogen. But we are currently also running out of the "rare earth elements" that we need to produce electric cars, and the hydrogen technology is poorly developed. We would also need to cover huge areas of the earth with solar panels in order to generate enough electricity.
So it will be extremely hard to produce enough renewable energy to the same price as fossil fuels, but we certainly can produce some of it to a price 10 times higher than fossil fuels which only rich countries can afford. But there are also other problems with a large population. We are probably taking out too much nitrogen from the atmosphere and using too much phosphorous right now. Imagine how much we would need to use in order to feed 50 billion. Taking out large amounts of nitrogen from the atmosphere and using large amounts of phosphorous creates imbalances in the biosphere, and the more agricultural land humans use the less land there is for other species.
Sorry, but only cancer cells have uncontrolled growth, and humanity is a cancer tumor in the biosphere.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: LightShedder]
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We could have 30 billion humans living like bangledeshi spread out around the planet and they would only use as much energy as the country of the US currently does with 300 million. That would be the entire global energy consumption. If we equipped renewable zero-impact energy measures then we count continue with intellectual/technological/spiritual progression.
It's easy to feed yourself and 10 other people the entire time your living if your really motivated.
Reducing people's lifestyle is not not better than limiting population growth.
You say this as though it is a fact. You're entitled to your opinion, even if it contradicts facts such as
http://www.uni.edu/gai/Bangladesh/BackgroundInformation/BangladeshsEcologicalFootprint.htm
If you want to live like a person in Bangladesh, you go ahead. Why don't you post rates of malnutrition, disease, starvation, ect. from Bangladesh? It is naive to think thrusting everyone into poverty is the solution to the worlds problems.
Your made up number of a sustainable population of 50 billion is fantasy. Since right now lots of people are dying from starvation, sustaining a population that large would require a redistribution of wealth and some sort of socialist wet dream society. That isn't going to happen.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: Zanthius]
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..its going to be much more expensive to produce 1 barrel of biofuel from perennial grasses or algae, than to produce 1 barrel of oil in Saudi Arabia..
.. it will be extremely hard to produce enough renewable energy to the same price as fossil fuels, but we certainly can produce some of it to a price 10 times higher than fossil fuels which only rich countries can afford.
This. The over-riding theme of all my classes has been just that. Basically "Hey we can do this - but it's too expensive to do it, fuck!"
I see that more as a social issue, an issue with the money system, than a resource or man power issue. Hell, I would build anaerobic digesters and solar cells all day, whether or not I was getting paid - because I value life and sustainability more than the fictional idea of monetary value.
That's just me though.
But there are also even easier and cheaper energy techs that I think you may want to consider before you right it off completely Zanthius - such as wave and wind power. ESPECIALLY wave power.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: LayinUp]
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Not to mention geothermal or induced-geothermal energy - which is pretty much a viable option so long as the earth still has a hot core.
So far as the nutrition argument precipitating a continuing expansion in the population - I remain opinionless, as I have little to no knowledge in that particular sphere.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: Sly Stone]
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How many times do you have to repeat something?
Yes- people are starving right now. But it's not because there's 6.7 billion people alive right now!!! I'm not encouraging that we attempt to reach 50 billion as soon as possible, I support ZPG, but the truth is, if you want to discuss the earths sustainability, it's naive to only consider population as a factor considering the unnecessary way in which the most-damaging humans live is the real problem that has to be changed.
I'm my saying it's easy, guaranteed or anything. But it's more realistic than the ridculous notion that everyone's going to, by force or voluntarily abstain from reproducing.
It takes knowledge and understanding. It takes a radical shift in the collective conscious. It takes much more that I will not attempt to describe on my iPhone right now.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: LayinUp]
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But there are also even easier and cheaper energy techs that I think you may want to consider before you right it off completely Zanthius - such as wave and wind power. ESPECIALLY wave power.
It might be. But even in the most optimistic perspective we would have a huge problem replacing the fossil energy used by the 7 billion people living on earth right now. Why make the challenge even greater by increasing the population size further? I think it is a much better idea to decrease the challenge by decreasing the population size.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: LightShedder]
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All I know is I've backed my preach with action. I've not reproduced.
Anyone here going to back theirs by living like they're in Bangladesh?
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: LayinUp]
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Not to mention geothermal or induced-geothermal energy - which is pretty much a viable option so long as the earth still has a hot core.
So far as the nutrition argument precipitating a continuing expansion in the population - I remain opinionless, as I have little to no knowledge in that particular sphere.
Yes, this and your previous post exactly.
"oh that's more expensive than oil"
There's no financial excuse for failing to convert to wind, solar, geothermal, wave or countless renewable energies when were wasting the money and resources we are on such trivial contemporary bullshit.
Every house built could be designed in a way to sustain itself- this has been explained redundantly.
Houses could be initially charged by rechargeable renewable batteries and run off solar, wind and alternative fuels. (specifically designed so that as it's running, it's generating energy through built in solar/wind technology)- this has been explained redundantly.
The excess energy demand could be fulfilled by alternative energy sources- this has been proven repeatedly and I won't do it again here.
The money argument in response to logical ways that it could be done is an argument that must be ignored, considering it's invalidity yet consistency to appear, you must disregard it.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: LayinUp]
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Hell, I would build anaerobic digesters and solar cells all day, whether or not I was getting paid - because I value life and sustainability more than the fictional idea of monetary value.
What does that mean 'you would'? Why are you not doing so today?
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This is the discussion forum, not the action forum.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: LightShedder]
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I'm tired of explaining this to people so this will be very brief....
I guess because I didn't go to renewable resources university, I can't understand which fantasy better.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: Icelander]
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All I know is I've backed my preach with action. I've not reproduced.
Anyone here going to back theirs by living like they're in Bangladesh?
You bet I'm livin as close to one as possible still being able to type this to you now on this iPhone... And personally I choose to remain this involved with society for 2 reasons (as opposed to retreating and living completely off the land)
A) give my 2 children a good upbringing with a positive foundation for future progression for themselves and our planet (relating to these very issues)
B) accumulate as much wealth in this silly capitalistic system through whatever means possible to redistribute the wealth appropriately
Not to mention volunteer work I do and future philanthropic plans I have for changing the existent world for the better.
you see, for me to live completely like a Bangladesh, I would have to take a recluse-like stance of non-action. Knowing what I know about the state of things, I choose to act and try and change things while I have the chance- the oppurtunity fir seclusion and ignorance can cone later in life. For now, I'm capable of feeding people and devoting energy towards a better future for humanity and the earth as a whole.
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This is the discussion forum, not the action forum.
In this way he can maintain his false self-image of superiority and righteous indignation without actually having to do a fucking thing. It's a personal win-win. 
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: Sly Stone]
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I'm tired of explaining this to people so this will be very brief....
I guess because I didn't go to renewable resources university, I can't understand which fantasy better.
Childish pokes are an easy escape when you have no facts to present.
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Hell, I would build anaerobic digesters and solar cells all day, whether or not I was getting paid - because I value life and sustainability more than the fictional idea of monetary value.
What does that mean 'you would'? Why are you not doing so today?
Because I've only completed 2/4 years silly 
That being said, I HAVE built solar cells which power all my major appliances in my house (fridge, AC, lights, well pump, etc.) and I'm actually in negotiations with a local bank to secure a rather large loan to construct Wind-Energy units in my community - the excess of which I don't use I will sell back to the grid.
This is actually a VERY lucrative business venture.
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The point is we can all say what we 'would' do, but it is meaningless mental masturbation.
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This is the discussion forum, not the action forum.
In this way he can maintain his false self-image of superiority and righteous indignation without actually having to do a fucking thing. It's a personal win-win.
lol as if the self-acceptance guilty "human reproduction is to blame" attitude isn't just sending off a neurochemical firestorm of "superiority and righteous indignation"
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The craziest thing about all of this is that ALL renewable techs are EXTREMELY lucrative - if you factor in the variable of TIME.
Ok, so maybe my wind company won't produce billions of dollars a year like those big oil guys...
But what my company will do that theirs never would. That is be sustainable! My company could theoretically exist hundreds of years if not longer, because wind is a renewable resource. Say I only made a million dollars a year? Who gives a shit, because clean, cheap energy NEVER GETS OLD.
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The point is we can all say what we 'would' do, but it is meaningless mental masturbation.
I'm not sure you've contributed anything positive here. I'm going to write you off as a lethargic asshole and call it a day.
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46% of the earth(not counting the ocean, of course) is uninhabited. This planet is far from a population crisis.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: LightShedder]
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I'm tired of explaining this to people so this will be very brief....
I guess because I didn't go to renewable resources university, I can't understand which fantasy better.
Childish pokes are an easy escape when you have no facts to present.
Now I have to go xFrockx on you.
You haven't presented any facts. You haven't addressed the poverty, pollution, disease, malnutrition, starvation of the if everyone lived like Bangladesh fantasy.
If the population grew to 50 billion how will increased housing change the amount of arable land?
Why is it better to reduce the standard of living to allow for out of control population growth?
What are you going to do at 50 billion served? Then do we start population control?
I can come up with a fantasy that would solve all these problems, but It is just a fantasy.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: LightShedder]
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All I know is I've backed my preach with action. I've not reproduced.
Anyone here going to back theirs by living like they're in Bangladesh?
You bet I'm livin as close to one as possible still being able to type this to you now on this iPhone... And personally I choose to remain this involved with society for 2 reasons (as opposed to retreating and living completely off the land)
A) give my 2 children a good upbringing with a positive foundation for future progression for themselves and our planet (relating to these very issues)
B) accumulate as much wealth in this silly capitalistic system through whatever means possible to redistribute the wealth appropriately
Not to mention volunteer work I do and future philanthropic plans I have for changing the existent world for the better.
you see, for me to live completely like a Bangladesh, I would have to take a recluse-like stance of non-action. Knowing what I know about the state of things, I choose to act and try and change things while I have the chance- the oppurtunity fir seclusion and ignorance can cone later in life. For now, I'm capable of feeding people and devoting energy towards a better future for humanity and the earth as a whole.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: LayinUp]
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I see that more as a social issue, an issue with the money system, than a resource or man power issue. Hell, I would build anaerobic digesters and solar cells all day, whether or not I was getting paid - because I value life and sustainability more than the fictional idea of monetary value.
That's just me though.
This has nothing to do with money. We can produce more food right now than what we could a few hundred years ago because we have machines that increases our work capacity. Imagine if I had to work so much to produce biofuel that I would generate just as much food by working without the agricultural machines. Then my work capacity for producing food would be reduced to the same level as it was on a few hundred years ago when we only had to feed 1 billion people. If I had to use 10% of my time to produce 1 barrel of oil from Saudi Arabia, while I now must use 50% of my time to produce 1 barrel of biofuel from algae. That means I only have 50% of my time left to produce food now, while I had 90% of my time left to produce food earlier. Is this comprehensible?
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: Sly Stone]
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What are your logistic plans for a population of 50 billion?
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: LightShedder]
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Interesting how you ignored my other posts due to the difficulty of addressing my points.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: 4896744]
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All I know is I've backed my preach with action. I've not reproduced.
Anyone here going to back theirs by living like they're in Bangladesh?
You bet I'm livin as close to one as possible still being able to type this to you now on this iPhone... And personally I choose to remain this involved with society for 2 reasons (as opposed to retreating and living completely off the land)
A) give my 2 children a good upbringing with a positive foundation for future progression for themselves and our planet (relating to these very issues)
B) accumulate as much wealth in this silly capitalistic system through whatever means possible to redistribute the wealth appropriately
Not to mention volunteer work I do and future philanthropic plans I have for changing the existent world for the better.
you see, for me to live completely like a Bangladesh, I would have to take a recluse-like stance of non-action. Knowing what I know about the state of things, I choose to act and try and change things while I have the chance- the oppurtunity fir seclusion and ignorance can cone later in life. For now, I'm capable of feeding people and devoting energy towards a better future for humanity and the earth as a whole.
Do you believe in objective morality?
Of course not! Did I give you a reason to believe I did?
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Interesting how you ignored my other posts due to the difficulty of addressing my points.
One can only type so much so quickly on an iPhone.
I don't even know what posts you're referring to.
I hope you feel very accomplished though, assuming you stumped me. It's flattering.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: Zanthius]
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I see that more as a social issue, an issue with the money system, than a resource or man power issue. Hell, I would build anaerobic digesters and solar cells all day, whether or not I was getting paid - because I value life and sustainability more than the fictional idea of monetary value.
That's just me though.
This has nothing to do with money. We can produce more food right now than what we could a few hundred years ago because we have machines that increases our work capacity. Imagine if I had to work so much to produce biofuel that I would generate just as much food by working without the agricultural machines. Then my work capacity for producing food would be reduced to the same level as it was on a few hundred years ago when we only had to feed 1 billion people. If I had to use 10% of my time to produce 1 barrel of oil from Saudi Arabia, while I now must use 50% of my time to produce 1 barrel of biofuel from algae. That means I only have 50% of my time left to produce food now, while I had 90% of my time left to produce food earlier. Is this comprehensible?
Don't forget the AMAZING technology commonly referred to hydroponics or aeroponics - although I'm no expert in the matter, I have heard that these technologies have an incredible potential for both MASSIVE production of high quality foods as well as sparing mother earth from over farming and soil deterioration.
I'm pretty excited about that, and would like to get into the whole scene once I complete my current major.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: LightShedder]
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Interesting how you ignored my other posts due to the difficulty of addressing my points.
One can only type so much so quickly on an iPhone.
I don't even know what posts you're referring to.
I hope you feel very accomplished though, assuming you stumped me. It's flattering.
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Open you're eyes.
Human Population isn't the problem. I'm tired of explaining this to people so this will be very brief....
When every american has 100x the ecological footprint as 1 bangledeshi, then you can't say that the number has a significant impact. It's obviously lifestyle.
(let's just say for sake of convo)
100 x bangledeshi lifestyle = 100 imprints
100 x American lifestyle = 10,000 imprints
Change the way you live and quit cursing the beautiful act of creation. It's the cursed way everyone's minds think, with those exact bad thoughts that need to be resolved.
"oh I'll just poison everyone and make the women infertile."
"oh well just take out 500,000 low-impact iraqis"
No, fuck that.
If you researched the numbers of people, the the arable land available, the technology available, the POTENTIAL technology we could harness, things could be going in the complete opposite direction, if we would redirect our energies towards expansion and progression- simple shit really. Not quite as simple as "oh we just need to wear condoms and never reproduce?!?!?"
And in history when has humanity ever really, on a large scale, gone in for equality?
You can preach all you want about things that aren't ever going to happen as far as we know and continue on with the beautiful act of creation secure in the fact that you are being very PC about it.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: LightShedder]
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All I know is I've backed my preach with action. I've not reproduced.
Anyone here going to back theirs by living like they're in Bangladesh?
You bet I'm livin as close to one as possible still being able to type this to you now on this iPhone... And personally I choose to remain this involved with society for 2 reasons (as opposed to retreating and living completely off the land)
A) give my 2 children a good upbringing with a positive foundation for future progression for themselves and our planet (relating to these very issues)
B) accumulate as much wealth in this silly capitalistic system through whatever means possible to redistribute the wealth appropriately
Not to mention volunteer work I do and future philanthropic plans I have for changing the existent world for the better.
you see, for me to live completely like a Bangladesh, I would have to take a recluse-like stance of non-action. Knowing what I know about the state of things, I choose to act and try and change things while I have the chance- the oppurtunity fir seclusion and ignorance can cone later in life. For now, I'm capable of feeding people and devoting energy towards a better future for humanity and the earth as a whole.
Do you believe in objective morality?
Of course not! Did I give you a reason to believe I did?
The fact that you are preaching your ideological preference as something that we should follow kind of hinted at it. You might as well be preaching to us about your favorite band being better than our favorite band.
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Of course, we can build these with all recycled materials too!
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: LayinUp]
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http://www.zeitgeistmediaproject.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=402:the-doctor-now-show-vertical-farms&catid=6:film-media&Itemid=3
I wish Peter Joseph ( the creator of the Zeitgeist movie ) had studied a bit more ecology and natural sciences. He is spot-on about the economic system though, although a bit naive.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: Sly Stone]
#15022428 - 09/03/11 10:59 AM (8 months, 21 days ago) |
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Now I have to go xFrockx on you.
I was sincerely hoping you would not have to stoop to such a tactic. 
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DieCommie
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I dont think our population size is a problem, and I dont think it needs correcting. I welcome the project upcoming population growth.
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LayinUp
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: Zanthius]
#15022437 - 09/03/11 11:00 AM (8 months, 21 days ago) |
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http://www.zeitgeistmediaproject.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=402:the-doctor-now-show-vertical-farms&catid=6:film-media&Itemid=3
I wish Peter Joseph ( the creator of the Zeitgeist movie ) had studied a bit more ecology and natural sciences. He is spot-on about the economic system though, although a bit naive.
Not so sure I understand what you are saying? Peter Joseph is NOT the inventor of vertical farms or utilizing geothermal energy.
Are you trying to suggest these are viable technologies?
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: LayinUp]
#15022480 - 09/03/11 11:12 AM (8 months, 21 days ago) |
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Not so sure I understand what you are saying? Peter Joseph is NOT the inventor of vertical farms or utilizing geothermal energy.
Are you trying to suggest these are viable technologies?
Vertical farms utilizing geothermal energy for 50 billion people? I doubt that I will ever see 100 million people living on food from vertical farms utilizing geothermal energy.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: Zanthius]
#15022494 - 09/03/11 11:15 AM (8 months, 21 days ago) |
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Zanthius said:
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Not so sure I understand what you are saying? Peter Joseph is NOT the inventor of vertical farms or utilizing geothermal energy.
Are you trying to suggest these are viable technologies?
Vertical farms utilizing geothermal energy for 50 billion people? I doubt that I will ever see 100 million people living on food from vertical farms utilizing geothermal energy.
I doubt you will too.
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thelivingfreekshow said:
46% of the earth(not counting the ocean, of course) is uninhabited.
Much of that land is uninhabitable, however.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: LayinUp]
#15022613 - 09/03/11 11:42 AM (8 months, 21 days ago) |
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I see you still choose to ignore my question even when reposted at your request.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: Icelander]
#15022685 - 09/03/11 12:00 PM (8 months, 21 days ago) |
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The other guy was ignoring you.
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Icelander
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: Sly Stone]
#15022839 - 09/03/11 12:40 PM (8 months, 21 days ago) |
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Oh sorry, they all look alike to me. 
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: 4896744]
#15022963 - 09/03/11 01:07 PM (8 months, 21 days ago) |
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All I know is I've backed my preach with action. I've not reproduced.
Anyone here going to back theirs by living like they're in Bangladesh?
You bet I'm livin as close to one as possible still being able to type this to you now on this iPhone... And personally I choose to remain this involved with society for 2 reasons (as opposed to retreating and living completely off the land)
A) give my 2 children a good upbringing with a positive foundation for future progression for themselves and our planet (relating to these very issues)
B) accumulate as much wealth in this silly capitalistic system through whatever means possible to redistribute the wealth appropriately
Not to mention volunteer work I do and future philanthropic plans I have for changing the existent world for the better.
you see, for me to live completely like a Bangladesh, I would have to take a recluse-like stance of non-action. Knowing what I know about the state of things, I choose to act and try and change things while I have the chance- the oppurtunity fir seclusion and ignorance can cone later in life. For now, I'm capable of feeding people and devoting energy towards a better future for humanity and the earth as a whole.
Do you believe in objective morality?
Of course not! Did I give you a reason to believe I did?
The fact that you are preaching your ideological preference as something that we should follow kind of hinted at it. You might as well be preaching to us about your favorite band being better than our favorite band.
Definitely misinterpretation onyour behalf. I was responding to someone who implied a question of whether I practice what I preach, as he claims he does. I was giving a brief description of things I do to follow my beliefs. Sorry if it came off as trying to be influential, I actually can't find that notion in there reading back on it, so maybe it was some projection of the way you felt about what I wrote?? I dunno
And for what it's worth, the grateful dead is far better than your favorite band
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penelope_tree
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"How should the population be corrected?" isn't the right question. I'm assuming OP meant something more along the lines of "How are we to deal with resource allocation?" but his first question garnered more attention by blaming others.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: penelope_tree]
#15022988 - 09/03/11 01:13 PM (8 months, 21 days ago) |
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penelope_tree said:
"How should the population be corrected?" isn't the right question. I'm assuming OP meant something more along the lines of "How are we to deal with resource allocation?" but his first question garnered more attention by blaming others.
It's a bit like asking the question "how do we fix the over-demand for urinals?" when we have 7 people bunched up on 3 out of 10 urinals.
There's 3 more urinals so I'd say figure out a way to utilize the urinals adequately. Don't kill 4 people because you're too stupid or greedy or whatever to utilize the open urinals!
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: Icelander]
#15023065 - 09/03/11 01:29 PM (8 months, 21 days ago) |
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Icelander said:
I see you still choose to ignore my question even when reposted at your request.
If you're asking how we plan to feed 50 billion people I say....
It's not like im claiming that if 50 billion people were thrown onto the planet tomorrow that we'd be able to feed them before they all get a chance to watch American gladiators... Rather, if we harnessed our potential collectively as a species (which involves reproduction and selective teachings to younger generations, not genocide) we would be prepared by the time we reach that population.
How?
Threres endless possibilities I won't elaborate on right now (maybe later) ranging from things as simple as efficient farming/ living habits to realistic space exploration/inhabitation.
It's possible, it takes faith and action of a radical degree, yes.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: LightShedder]
#15023076 - 09/03/11 01:31 PM (8 months, 21 days ago) |
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LightShedder said:
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I see you still choose to ignore my question even when reposted at your request.
If you're asking how we plan to feed 50 billion people I say....
It's not like im claiming that if 50 billion people were thrown onto the planet tomorrow that we'd be able to feed them before they all get a chance to watch American gladiators... Rather, if we harnessed our potential collectively as a species (which involves reproduction and selective teachings to younger generations, not genocide) we would be prepared by the time we reach that population.
How?
Threres endless possibilities I won't elaborate on right now (maybe later) ranging from things as simple as resourceful farming/efficient living habits to realistic space exploration/inhabitation.
It's possible, it takes faith and action of a radical degree, yes.
Once again you completely skipped the question I reposted for you. Go figure.
Let me help you by yelling. IN ALL OF HUMAN HISTORY HAS THERE EVER BEEN ANY MAJOR EVIDENCE THAT HUMANS ARE GOING TO BE WILLING TO PRACTICE EQUALITY AND EQUALLY SHARE RESOURCES?
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: LightShedder]
#15023095 - 09/03/11 01:35 PM (8 months, 21 days ago) |
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It's sad because it IS your lifestyle that is ruining the planet (collectively,hundreds of millions of our lifestyles). And some of you think you have a right to live the unnecessary materialistic lives you live, not seeing anything wrong with it. You carry the belief that other people don't have the right to life, yet you think you have a right to a wasteful worthless, yes worthless, life?
"I have authority over how many people can live like me (western materialism), whoever is a burden to my fucked existence must die!"
Advice: literally, practice what you preach. Go kill yourselves.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: LightShedder]
#15023102 - 09/03/11 01:37 PM (8 months, 21 days ago) |
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Definitely misinterpretation onyour behalf. I was responding to someone who implied a question of whether I practice what I preach, as he claims he does. I was giving a brief description of things I do to follow my beliefs. Sorry if it came off as trying to be influential, I actually can't find that notion in there reading back on it, so maybe it was some projection of the way you felt about what I wrote?? I dunno
And for what it's worth, the grateful dead is far better than your favorite band
I guess you are right. It is just rare that someone comes in here with such an attitude who doesn't try to preach about how everyone else is doing it wrong.
Oh and the grateful dead sucks. They have some of the most boring music I've heard. 
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: 4896744]
#15023106 - 09/03/11 01:38 PM (8 months, 21 days ago) |
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They really are a sucky band musically but the lifestyle that surrounded them was very cool imo.
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LightShedder
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: LightShedder]
#15023116 - 09/03/11 01:40 PM (8 months, 21 days ago) |
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I'm not about to prove anything to you when you approach me so rudely and annoyingly.
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Once again you completely skipped the question I reposted for you. Go figure.
Let me help you by yelling. IN ALL OF HUMAN HISTORY HAS THERE EVER BEEN ANY MAJOR EVIDENCE THAT HUMANS ARE GOING TO BE WILLING TO PRACTICE EQUALITY AND EQUALLY SHARE RESOURCES?"
As if it's obvious that this was not a rhetorical question.
Something I've learned, is that if someone can't rationally debate you without resorting to childish behavior, their contribution on the relevant subject is likely to be as childish as their behavior.
So with that, I won't be responding to you in this productive thread anymore icelander.
And "they all look the same to me" really shows what kind of person I'm talking to.
Probably somoeine who would literally have a panic attack if they confronted me in person like that.
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"If it seems radical, pretend like it is normal."
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: LightShedder]
#15023118 - 09/03/11 01:40 PM (8 months, 21 days ago) |
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Who here preached killing others outside of the OP.
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― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: Icelander]
#15023119 - 09/03/11 01:40 PM (8 months, 21 days ago) |
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I don't doubt that.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: 4896744]
#15023185 - 09/03/11 01:52 PM (8 months, 21 days ago) |
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Sabotaging other human beings quality of life isn't the answer.
Putting forth any bit of effort and being responsible for your own energy requirements is the answer.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: penelope_tree]
#15023191 - 09/03/11 01:53 PM (8 months, 21 days ago) |
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penelope_tree said:
Sabotaging other human beings quality of life isn't the answer.
Putting forth any bit of effort and being responsible for your own energy requirements is the answer.
So you believe in objective morality?
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: zappaisgod]
#15023211 - 09/03/11 01:57 PM (8 months, 21 days ago) |
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zappaisgod said:
For all the people who want to "correct" the population I have two words. You first.
Zappa, your recent habit of speaking the truth is a worrying trend. You're going to loose that horrid asshole charm if you keep it up.
Seriously, why do you people want to fuck around with peoples lives? So it's ok to fuck peoples health and reproduction up, but damn anyone that arrests you for smoking a plant?
Fuck that. Fuck that shit.
If you genuinely see overpopulation as a problem, stop bitching about it, and like Ghandi said, be the change you want to see in the world. Go kill yourselves.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: 4896744]
#15023226 - 09/03/11 02:01 PM (8 months, 21 days ago) |
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iThink said:
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penelope_tree said:
Sabotaging other human beings quality of life isn't the answer.
Putting forth any bit of effort and being responsible for your own energy requirements is the answer.
So you believe in objective morality?
I think its unethical to blame others while not taking steps yourself to solve the problem.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: penelope_tree]
#15023261 - 09/03/11 02:13 PM (8 months, 21 days ago) |
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penelope_tree said:
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iThink said:
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penelope_tree said:
Sabotaging other human beings quality of life isn't the answer.
Putting forth any bit of effort and being responsible for your own energy requirements is the answer.
So you believe in objective morality?
I think its unethical to blame others while not taking steps yourself to solve the problem.
So it's ok to not help people as long as you don't blame others for their misfortune?
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: 4896744]
#15023288 - 09/03/11 02:21 PM (8 months, 21 days ago) |
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your question is worded very strangely...
Imposing rules on other human beings that you yourself don't adhere to is unethical.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: penelope_tree]
#15023400 - 09/03/11 02:43 PM (8 months, 21 days ago) |
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penelope_tree said:
your question is worded very strangely...
Imposing rules on other human beings that you yourself don't adhere to is unethical.
Why is it unethical?
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The best way to correct population would be to correct the population, until exhaustion, breaking their connection to their knowledge and thus their self identity, leading exposure to the full force of their physical suffering, and thus, mass suicide.
As this would be a voluntary act, there are no ethical dilemmas here.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: xFrockx]
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xFrockx said:
The best way to correct population would be to correct the population, until exhaustion, breaking their connection to their knowledge and thus their self identity, leading exposure to the full force of their physical suffering, and thus, mass suicide.
As this would be a voluntary act, there are no ethical dilemmas here.
Start right now. Never speak a word again and lock yourself in your room until you starve to death. I have no ethical dilemmas with this.
Me? I'm going to keep on studying psychology and whatever else comes my way. I have no ethical dilemmas with this. My contribution to help prevent population growth will be being gay. A painless and fun way to help, but I am lucky to be gay I guess. Not everyone can do it.
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"A painless and fun way to help"
No way of life is painless, although it's nice example of knowledge anxiety that you say that. I'm sure that knowledge shields you somewhat from remembering the actual pain you've experienced day to day, even just of hunger or thirst, even just sitting still.
"I am lucky to be gay I guess."
You are saying this to protect your knowledge. You are idealizing your position so that you don't have anxiety about not being like other people. With respect to the biological aspects of homosexuality, whatever they may be, there is no more relevance of those to your knowledge anxiety than there is relevance to actual material death or pain to knowledge anxiety. Whatever the physical consequences are, you mitigate them with knowledge, and to protect that knowledge, you commit physical acts like expressing your happiness with your position.
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Visionary Tools said:
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zappaisgod said:
For all the people who want to "correct" the population I have two words. You first.
Zappa, your recent habit of speaking the truth is a worrying trend. You're going to loose that horrid asshole charm if you keep it up.
Seriously, why do you people want to fuck around with peoples lives? So it's ok to fuck peoples health and reproduction up, but damn anyone that arrests you for smoking a plant?
Fuck that. Fuck that shit.
If you genuinely see overpopulation as a problem, stop bitching about it, and like Ghandi said, be the change you want to see in the world. Go kill yourselves.
One need not get violent and kill anyone including themselves. Just don't reproduce.
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― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: Icelander]
#15023685 - 09/03/11 03:41 PM (8 months, 21 days ago) |
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Or reproduce and satisfy your desires to your heart's content. Fuck the future.
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dustinthewind13
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: xFrockx]
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"A painless and fun way to help"
No way of life is painless, although it's nice example of knowledge anxiety that you say that. I'm sure that knowledge shields you somewhat from remembering the actual pain you've experienced day to day, even just of hunger or thirst, even just sitting still.
"I am lucky to be gay I guess."
You are saying this to protect your knowledge. You are idealizing your position so that you don't have anxiety about not being like other people. With respect to the biological aspects of homosexuality, whatever they may be, there is no more relevance of those to your knowledge anxiety than there is relevance to actual material death or pain to knowledge anxiety. Whatever the physical consequences are, you mitigate them with knowledge, and to protect that knowledge, you commit physical acts like expressing your happiness with your position.
Every time you speak all I hear is  and  . Maybe I'm just not at your level of understanding. Not everyone is a genius. You obviously seem to be, since you know everything.
No way of life is painless
I think I only knew what you meant here, but I was talking about it being a painless way to help prevent population growth. See I said help there, which was directed to it being a painless way to prevent population growth.
So frock. When are you going to kill yourself by starving to death and never speaking? Since you aren't afraid of death, this should be easy for you. You should also start  yourself to lose all the knowledge you have. It will make it go away much faster IMO. Best of luck!
If you decide your too afraid to do it, it will be fine by me. I see no reason you should kill yourself.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: 4896744]
#15023726 - 09/03/11 03:50 PM (8 months, 21 days ago) |
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Or reproduce and satisfy your desires to your heart's content. Fuck the future.
Or that.
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― Ernest Becker
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: Icelander]
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Move to another planet similar to Earth. Oh and kill yourself.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: reeferaddict69]
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Who exactly are you posting to and in reference to what statement?
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: Icelander]
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: 4896744]
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your question is worded very strangely...
Imposing rules on other human beings that you yourself don't adhere to is unethical.
Why is it unethical?
None are special in the case of resources, we all use them.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: Icelander]
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For all the people who want to "correct" the population I have two words. You first.
Zappa, your recent habit of speaking the truth is a worrying trend. You're going to loose that horrid asshole charm if you keep it up.
Seriously, why do you people want to fuck around with peoples lives? So it's ok to fuck peoples health and reproduction up, but damn anyone that arrests you for smoking a plant?
Fuck that. Fuck that shit.
If you genuinely see overpopulation as a problem, stop bitching about it, and like Ghandi said, be the change you want to see in the world. Go kill yourselves.
One need not get violent and kill anyone including themselves. Just don't reproduce.
Nope. That is an insufficiently passive response. And I suspect a convenient one. Like somebody above said, not reproducing is an easy choice when you're a homo.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: zappaisgod]
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Like somebody above said, not reproducing is an easy choice when you're a homo.
Yes. That was me. 
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: Icelander]
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Who exactly are you posting to and in reference to what statement?
OP's opening statement.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: reeferaddict69]
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Or anyone who wants to commit mass genocide to depopulate the planet.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said:
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For all the people who want to "correct" the population I have two words. You first.
Zappa, your recent habit of speaking the truth is a worrying trend. You're going to loose that horrid asshole charm if you keep it up.
Seriously, why do you people want to fuck around with peoples lives? So it's ok to fuck peoples health and reproduction up, but damn anyone that arrests you for smoking a plant?
Fuck that. Fuck that shit.
If you genuinely see overpopulation as a problem, stop bitching about it, and like Ghandi said, be the change you want to see in the world. Go kill yourselves.
One need not get violent and kill anyone including themselves. Just don't reproduce.
Nope. That is an insufficiently passive response. And I suspect a convenient one. Like somebody above said, not reproducing is an easy choice when you're a homo.
Insufficiently passive for you maybe but gets the job done for me. Of course it's convenient otherwise no one will try. I have no problem if you want to kill yourself but I'm offering workable alternatives.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: reeferaddict69]
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Who exactly are you posting to and in reference to what statement?
OP's opening statement.
It would clarify things if you post it to them then instead of me. 
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said:
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Who exactly are you posting to and in reference to what statement?
OP's opening statement.
It would clarify things if you post it to them then instead of me.
Sorry bro...
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How should the population be corrected?
Natural selection. The universe is always testing the capability of an individual, automatically correcting mistakes with constant reality checks.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: 4896744]
#15024830 - 09/03/11 07:07 PM (8 months, 21 days ago) |
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Or reproduce and satisfy your desires to your heart's content. Fuck the future.
A future without people sounds fucky to me.
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Or reproduce and satisfy your desires to your heart's content. Fuck the future.
A future without people sounds fucky to me.
Well you can count on that. If nothing else stops us, heat death certainly will.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: 4896744]
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heat death of the universe is a long, long way from now, and I'm not entirely convinced it's probable.
We've always been able to invent some way of getting things done, and getting more of things done. The main limitation has been energy. Tesla showed us how to have limitless energy using misunderstood techniques of induction (look at the circuit diagram for a Tesla coil). And once we have abundant energy, resources won't be as much of an issue. Oh boohoo, we'll run out of uranium. No more bombs or reactors to poison our land with.
We don't even need Tesla's wireless energy technology, we could get all the power we need through heat exchangers, either by ones that boil water to turn steam turbines, or ocean based systems that circulate and drive turbines inside the pipes.
But, the powers that be would find it a lot harder to control us peons if we were no longer dependant on them for power. If I had limitless power I could grow all the hydroponic grass (as in, what I have in my lawn) and other cerials, feed animals on it and eat them. God, if I had limitless energy I think I'd just have floodlights and electric fires so I could be out in my garden in the middle of winter with just a pair of shorts on.
But this is besides the point. Seriously, I thought here, on a site about magic fucking mushrooms, people would understand that the last thing they need is busybodies saying how to run their life, or rationing their life out (Sorry Mr Smith, you have used up your carbon ration. Time to die).
Thomas Malthus has a lot to answer for.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: 4896744]
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You guys understandably underestimate the potential of our species.
I say understandably because it's obviously common for most of us to be unable to grasp how humans could possibly overcome density, hunger, thirst, finite sun life, resource allocation (eventually throughout outer space)etc. etc. etc. But if it's possible, it's possible.
That's all I'm saying.
For any of us to say it isn't and that were doomed would not only be dissapointing but erroneous.
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So you disagree that their is entropy?
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: 4896744]
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none of this is feasible people are going to live i think we should assimilate the american republic into everyone then head for the stars and enjoy taking over distance planets and there indigenous population. sounds like the path to enlightenment to me
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: 4896744]
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Show me how the hell you would get that idea out of any of my posts?
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: CaptainCrunch]
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none of this is feasible people are going to live i think we should assimilate the american republic into everyone then head for the stars and enjoy taking over distance planets and there indigenous population. sounds like the path to enlightenment to me
oh yea i forgot to add...
There i said it!
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: LightShedder]
#15025045 - 09/03/11 07:50 PM (8 months, 21 days ago) |
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Well that post was a reply to Visionary. The question stands for you too though. How can humans hope to overcome entropy?
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: 4896744]
#15025054 - 09/03/11 07:53 PM (8 months, 21 days ago) |
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How can humans hope to overcome entropy?
Reverse time.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: Sly Stone]
#15025070 - 09/03/11 07:55 PM (8 months, 21 days ago) |
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Dubious at best.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: 4896744]
#15025094 - 09/03/11 07:59 PM (8 months, 21 days ago) |
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Plus we'll never make it to 2012 that way. 
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: Sly Stone]
#15025101 - 09/03/11 08:00 PM (8 months, 21 days ago) |
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only privileged country's such as ours even have the time or care to go into such wonderings. i find it highly ironic for us to have such conversations as if the fate of the world is all ours isn't that a bit manifest destiny. but this is the way things are ultimately what our beautiful great minds decide is what will go, god save the aliens if galactic travel becomes feasible to us anytime soon, as i can imagine a scenario where we are explaining to some deprived alien civilization our god given rights and to look at this paper its signed right here by our leader. in fact none of us really have to think about this its already decided we can sit back toke our joints eat cheeseburgers and have such conversations like we are actually doing something important yay...
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: CaptainCrunch]
#15025127 - 09/03/11 08:05 PM (8 months, 21 days ago) |
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Debating away the problem is the answer to the problem! 
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: CaptainCrunch]
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in fact none of us really have to think about this its already decided we can sit back toke our joints eat cheeseburgers and have such conversations like we are actually doing something important yay...
True. The energy spent getting mad at other posters who are indifferent to 'Saving the Planet' could have been used towards actually 'saving the planet'. But then that would make sense.
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im going to mcdonalds and to fuck my wife
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: CaptainCrunch]
#15025268 - 09/03/11 08:28 PM (8 months, 21 days ago) |
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Take the bus.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: CaptainCrunch]
#15025269 - 09/03/11 08:29 PM (8 months, 21 days ago) |
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none of this is feasible people are going to live i think we should assimilate the american republic into everyone then head for the stars and enjoy taking over distance planets and there indigenous population. sounds like the path to enlightenment to me
If this is what you interpreted out of my proposals, then you're misunderstanding.
Shows the logic in this "philosophy" forum.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: LightShedder]
#15025273 - 09/03/11 08:30 PM (8 months, 21 days ago) |
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LightShedder said:
If this is what you interpreted out of my proposals, then you're misunderstanding.
Shows the logic in this "philosophy" forum.
Did you know that this thread isn't about you and your proposals?
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: LightShedder]
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I've never acknowledged that there is a "problem". You guys sure like to pretend as though there is one though. Rather, I had said to stop preaching about overpopulation because the issues you claim it itself creates are in fact attributable to other factors- which, since you apparently gives fuck, are changeable.
But I guess we should just agree to agree that nohing really matters so just be ugly and chaotic and mean. Yay that makes my brain feel good.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: LightShedder]
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Shows the logic in this "philosophy" forum.
Blanket statements such as these show a pretty self important egotistical attitude imo.
If you don't like it here go somewhere else.
And once again you never answered my question.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: Sly Stone]
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Sly Stone said:
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LightShedder said:
If this is what you interpreted out of my proposals, then you're misunderstanding.
Shows the logic in this "philosophy" forum.
Did you know that this thread isn't about you and your proposals?
Did I act like it was?
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: LightShedder]
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: Icelander]
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Shows the logic in this "philosophy" forum.
Blanket statements such as these show a pretty self important egotistical attitude imo.
If you don't like it here go somewhere else.
Blanket statement? Please elaborate. This looks more to e like you trying to lower me to where you out yourself earlier with you're rude comments.
When I see irrationality in a supposed "logical" philosophy form, it's not a "blanket statement" to point it out.
I could use logic all day against people that can't think logically, and apparently circles will be followed.
This is boring, ima go eat some psilocybin.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: LightShedder]
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This is boring, ima go eat some psilocybin.
And thus raise the vibrational level of the planet by 1/10,000,000,000,000,000.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: LightShedder]
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Blanket statement?
Uh oh. He gots Frockitis. 
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Dude I'm better than that. I raise the vibration level by 3/10,000,000,000,000,000ths
I don't know what kinda psilocybin y'all be getting, but mine take u dur.
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Either that or he's making an forgone conclusion.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: xFrockx]
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Ima go drink and dance and then come back and debate away my buzz
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: LightShedder]
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Quote:
LightShedder said:
Quote:
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Shows the logic in this "philosophy" forum.
Blanket statements such as these show a pretty self important egotistical attitude imo.
If you don't like it here go somewhere else.
Blanket statement? Please elaborate. This looks more to e like you trying to lower me to where you out yourself earlier with you're rude comments.
When I see irrationality in a supposed "logical" philosophy form, it's not a "blanket statement" to point it out.
I could use logic all day against people that can't think logically, and apparently circles will be followed.
This is boring, ima go eat some psilocybin.
This philosophy forum is made up of more than the folk in this thread. If you want to point out some illogical thought point to specifics and show proofs.
And again you have refused to respond to my question that you asked me to repeat.
I'm pretty sure I've eaten a lot more psychedelics than you have.
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― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: Icelander]
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"I'm pretty sure I've eaten a lot more psychedelics than you have."
I've still got more pubes than you though.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: LightShedder]
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LightShedder said:
"I'm pretty sure I've eaten a lot more psychedelics than you have."
I've still got more pubes than you though.
how do we solve the overpopulation of your ignorant meaningless arguements in this thread?
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: CaptainCrunch]
#15025825 - 09/03/11 10:59 PM (8 months, 21 days ago) |
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That doesn't make sense.
The overpopulation of arguments? Please describe what you mean.
Also note that I was replying to a meaningless post.
How meaningful was your unintelligeble post?
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: LightShedder]
#15025854 - 09/03/11 11:08 PM (8 months, 21 days ago) |
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i refuse to engage in a argument with a hermit. im a hermitist
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: CaptainCrunch]
#15025864 - 09/03/11 11:09 PM (8 months, 21 days ago) |
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Too smart. I get it.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: CaptainCrunch]
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i only argue with this guy^
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: CaptainCrunch]
#15025876 - 09/03/11 11:13 PM (8 months, 21 days ago) |
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Meaningful?
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: LightShedder] 1
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naked baby killer has found the solution to overpopulation, naked baby killer at least is taking action while your posting from your iphone in your tree fort.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: LayinUp]
#15026102 - 09/04/11 12:38 AM (8 months, 21 days ago) |
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I'm going to write you off as a lethargic asshole and call it a day
LayinUp,
Name calling and personalisms are against the rules in PS&P. If your argument is so weak that you have to resort to calling people names, then don't post in PS&P.
Try the OTD forum where name calling is the way they debate there. Don't do it in PS&P.
Read the rest of the rules here before you post again:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/4526664#4526664
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: Icelander]
#15026985 - 09/04/11 09:24 AM (8 months, 21 days ago) |
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Icelander said:
Insufficiently passive for you maybe but gets the job done for me. Of course it's convenient otherwise no one will try. I have no problem if you want to kill yourself but I'm offering workable alternatives.
I'm not one of the assholes who is cheering for massive human death to "correct" that which isn't broke.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: zappaisgod]
#15026991 - 09/04/11 09:28 AM (8 months, 21 days ago) |
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I'm not one of the assholes who is cheering for massive human death to "correct" that which isn't broke.
Isn't broke? Are you implying that the current mass extinction of species has nothing to do with human overpopulation, or are you implying that you couldn't care less about other plants and animals going extinct?
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: Zanthius]
#15027131 - 09/04/11 10:05 AM (8 months, 20 days ago) |
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You're incorrect. Overpopulation has no direct effect on the acts of habitat destruction, poaching and environmental contamination.
Again- LIFESTYLE
300,000,000 Americans are capable of inflicting the same damage as 30,000,000,000 bangledeshi so how can you, in good science, look at population?
You recognize valid issues, yes. But you're blaming the wrong cause. It takes a rational mind to see past overpopulation, and those of you who can't think that those who can are just being unrealistically optimistic out of ignorance.
Understand that, I don't give a flying fuck if the sun blows up tomorrow, or if we blow ourselves up tomorrow. Everything is in it's right place IMO.
So from an unbiased perspective, I genuinely have concluded that overpopulation isn't an issue. In fact, the earth could comfortably sustain more than it's current human population. True, the earth is being destroyed by human beings, but it's not because there's nearly 7 billion of them. whether there was 1 or 15 billion, the earth would be getting just as damaged if we continued living the way we do in the 1st world. We don't need to change the number of people or our quality of life. We need to be smart about resource allocation and logical about where we devote our energy.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: LightShedder]
#15027156 - 09/04/11 10:13 AM (8 months, 20 days ago) |
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and its easy to make those changes! Don't leave electric devices running, keep them off as often as you can.. put your computer on energy saver mode.. walk instead of driving if you can..
it'll save money and resources by being mindful
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: LightShedder]
#15027172 - 09/04/11 10:16 AM (8 months, 20 days ago) |
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So from an unbiased perspective, I genuinely have concluded that overpopulation isn't an issue. In fact, the earth could comfortably sustain more than it's current human population. True, the earth is being destroyed by human beings, but it's not because there's nearly 7 billion of them. whether there was 1 or 15 billion, the earth would be getting just as damaged if we continued living the way we do in the 1st world. We don't need to change the number of people or our quality of life. We need to be smart about resource allocation and logical about where we devote our energy.
I agree entirely.
Overpopulation is only a problem in combination with scarcity.
In truth the fear of scarcity/deprivation has always been the problem.
It's just now the population is big enough so that this fear has now been brought into the open.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: LightShedder]
#15027175 - 09/04/11 10:16 AM (8 months, 20 days ago) |
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LightShedder said:
So from an unbiased perspective, I genuinely have concluded that overpopulation isn't an issue. In fact, the earth could comfortably sustain more than it's current human population. True, the earth is being destroyed by human beings, but it's not because there's nearly 7 billion of them. whether there was 1 or 15 billion, the earth would be getting just as damaged if we continued living the way we do in the 1st world. We don't need to change the number of people or our quality of life. We need to be smart about resource allocation and logical about where we devote our energy.
Of course people in Africa do less damage to the ecosystem per capita than people in the United States, but not all of us want to live like they do in Africa. In fact, most people in Africa want to live like they do in the United States. There is also happening damage to the ecosystem in India and Africa, not only in the United States. In fact, the ecosystem in India is probably more fucked up than the ecosystem in the United States. You might say that people in the United States fuck up ecosystems outside their own country, and that is partially true. But most of the damage to the ecosystem in India is done by people living in India, not indirectly by people from the United States.
People need food, and we humans use an enormous amount of land to grow food. Agricultural land has less biodiversity than forests, so when we convert forests to agricultural land we lose biodiversity.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: zappaisgod]
#15027178 - 09/04/11 10:17 AM (8 months, 20 days ago) |
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Insufficiently passive for you maybe but gets the job done for me. Of course it's convenient otherwise no one will try. I have no problem if you want to kill yourself but I'm offering workable alternatives.
I'm not one of the assholes who is cheering for massive human death to "correct" that which isn't broke.
I know you've posted that you are just the generally horrid kind and that covers more ground.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: penelope_tree]
#15027182 - 09/04/11 10:18 AM (8 months, 20 days ago) |
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True those changes are easy, but I think to turn around on this road to destruction it's gonna take much bigger collective changes on humanities part.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: LightShedder]
#15027219 - 09/04/11 10:27 AM (8 months, 20 days ago) |
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No need to diss efforts If every person in the US cut their energy usage by 10%, that'd collectively be a big change.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: penelope_tree]
#15027227 - 09/04/11 10:29 AM (8 months, 20 days ago) |
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No need to diss efforts If every person in the US cut their energy usage by 10%, that'd collectively be a big change.
Yeah, but it is not even close to energy usage per capita in Africa. Then you need to cut more than 95%. I am all for cutting GDP and energy usage maybe 50%, but not 95%. Sorry, but I don't want to live without electricity and warm water, like they do in Africa.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: Zanthius]
#15027234 - 09/04/11 10:31 AM (8 months, 20 days ago) |
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Zanthius said:
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LightShedder said:
So from an unbiased perspective, I genuinely have concluded that overpopulation isn't an issue. In fact, the earth could comfortably sustain more than it's current human population. True, the earth is being destroyed by human beings, but it's not because there's nearly 7 billion of them. whether there was 1 or 15 billion, the earth would be getting just as damaged if we continued living the way we do in the 1st world. We don't need to change the number of people or our quality of life. We need to be smart about resource allocation and logical about where we devote our energy.
Of course people in Africa do less damage to the ecosystem per capita than people in the United States, but not all of us want to live like they do in Africa. In fact, most people in Africa want to live like they do in the United States. There is also happening damage to the ecosystem in India and Africa, not only in the United States. In fact, the ecosystem in India is probably more fucked up than the ecosystem in the United States. You might say that people in the United States fuck up ecosystems outside their own country, and that is partially true. But most of the damage to the ecosystem in India is done by people living in India, not indirectly by people from the United States.
People need food, and we humans use an enormous amount of land to grow food. Agricultural land has less biodiversity than forests, so when we convert forests to agricultural land we lose biodiversity.
I understand where you're coming from but....
People always think I'm trying to propose that we all live like starvin Marvin when I put forth the notion that lifestyle is a bigger factor than population in regards to planetary destruction- I'm not. I dont think we should live like the bangledeshi, but I think that we could drastically change our lifestyles to be more in touch with a natural earth-friendly way of living. Mainly though, I feel like we could live the exact same lives we do today without any negative impact if we just really devoted ourselves to changing the way we obtain energy.
I've already mentioned this in this thread but, self-reclamation and purification of water is an option for every human on the planet, anywhere it rains. Food could be handled easily, as was described in a previous posters video on waste. I'm really not about to lay out the groundwork for such an idea but just don't think I'm trying to say that we should live like poverty-stricken Africans.
This I'd completely hypothetical because it does not come to this, but if t did cone to either killing off most of the people so that I can continue my "quality of life" (as some of you feel entitled to, moreso than others right to life) or living like a bangledeshi (who, contrary to someone's claim earlier, are not starving), I would definitely say I'll live like a bangledeshi because....
By asking "so I should have to "lower my quality of life" so these fuckin starvin Africans can eat?" although the answer is no, you still should realize that you are FULL OF SHIT if you think that you are entitled to living the luxurious life you do as a westerner if you don't think African children gave a right to life/food.
What's most disgusting is the people responsible for the damage (us 300,000,000 Americans and other countries) try and say we should be able to continue destroying the planet (living like westerners). But be ayes they don't like the effect they have on the planet , they say we need to kill those not responsible (starving Africans).
Again overpopulation preachers, take your own advice please.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: LightShedder]
#15027253 - 09/04/11 10:37 AM (8 months, 20 days ago) |
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This I'd completely hypothetical because it does not come to this, but if t did cone to either killing off most of the people so that I can continue my "quality of life" (as some of you feel entitled to, moreso than others right to life) or living like a bangledeshi (who, contrary to someone's claim earlier, are not starving), I would definitely say I'll live like a bangledeshi because....
Do you think that reducing the amount of births is the same as killing people? I would gladly sterilize myself if everybody else did. I don't think I have any right to get lots of kids when the world is overpopulated.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: Zanthius]
#15027261 - 09/04/11 10:39 AM (8 months, 20 days ago) |
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No one is suggesting that electricity and modern conveniences be done away with.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: Zanthius]
#15027277 - 09/04/11 10:40 AM (8 months, 20 days ago) |
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Obviously I'm referring to those that have put forth ideas of genocide (OP). We still need some reproduction though, and even if you insist on less, I still contend that it wouldn't help unless we changed the way we live- in too many ways to mention.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: LightShedder]
#15027282 - 09/04/11 10:42 AM (8 months, 20 days ago) |
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LightShedder said:
Obviously I'm referring to those that have put forth ideas of genocide (OP). We still need some reproduction though, and even if you insist on less, I still contend that it wouldn't help unless we changed the way we live- in too many ways to mention.
Yeah, I think my native country ( Norway ) would do fine with a 50% reduction in GDP and energy usage ( that is quite a lot ), but I also think we need to reproduce less. We need to change our lifestyles and we need to procreate less. We need to do both things.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: Zanthius]
#15027296 - 09/04/11 10:46 AM (8 months, 20 days ago) |
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Yes both would definitely help. 1-2 children at most in my book.
Fuckin china and india. Psh.
Edit: and mexico- how did I forget Mexico?
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: LightShedder]
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By asking "so I should have to "lower my quality of life" so these fuckin starvin Africans can eat?" although the answer is no, you still should realize that you are FULL OF SHIT if you think that you are entitled to living the luxurious life you do as a westerner if you don't think African children gave a right to life/food.
What's most disgusting is the people responsible for the damage (us 300,000,000 Americans and other countries) try and say we should be able to continue destroying the planet (living like westerners). But be ayes they don't like the effect they have on the planet , they say we need to kill those not responsible (starving Africans).
Again overpopulation preachers, take your own advice please.
Hear hear!
As for the second emboldened statement; You make a just argument everywhere else. Don't cloud it with strawmen. Notice nobody is disputing all the valid points you raised? That's because they can't.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: crkhd]
#15027361 - 09/04/11 10:59 AM (8 months, 20 days ago) |
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Some people have said specifically "what happens when we feed the hungry people? They take and require more!" then going on to imply that they aren't entitled to food/life since it means (according to them) they'll be steppin on their toes in the air conditioned grocery store, or somethin.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: 4896744]
#15027397 - 09/04/11 11:05 AM (8 months, 20 days ago) |
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iThink said:
Well that post was a reply to Visionary. The question stands for you too though. How can humans hope to overcome entropy?
We really don't understand enough about the underlying principles of energy, and how to change it from one form to another to say that the heat death of the universe is inevitable. I have my doubts on the big bang to. Do I have a better theroy? No. No I don't. But someone who's dedicated their life to astrophysics might spot something that we haven't yet.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: Zanthius]
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I'm not one of the assholes who is cheering for massive human death to "correct" that which isn't broke.
Isn't broke? Are you implying that the current mass extinction of species has nothing to do with human overpopulation, or are you implying that you couldn't care less about other plants and animals going extinct?
I don't much give a shit. Are we not a natural species? Have not there been mass extinctions throughout the history of life on earth? Have not successful species always driven out unsuccessful ones? Is Rachel Carson, mass murderer, your hero because she managed to contribute to the early death of millions of little brown African babies to possibly save a few raptor species?
Fuck that shit.
In other points:
Someone said he would sterilize himself if every one else did. Yep, he wants all of humanity gone. Nice. I suggest that you should just do it. every journey starts with one single step. Be that step. Which is also my answer to those who want mass deaths. Stand on your principles. Kill yourself.
Making Western people poorer will not help any of the developing world get richer.
If everybody in the US cut their energy consumption by 10% the impact would be miniscule because human activity doesn't have a fucking thing to do with globullshit warming. But I say again, you first.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: zappaisgod]
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lol save the rainforest!! Kill the humans!!!
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: LightShedder]
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Obviously I'm referring to those that have put forth ideas of genocide (OP).
Really? I promoted that? Me no think so. But then again, I can both read and write. 
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Obviously I'm referring to those that have put forth ideas of genocide (OP).
Really? I promoted that? Me no think so. But then again, I can both read and write.
Yes but you are pathetically unable to self terminate. Wimp.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: penelope_tree]
#15027548 - 09/04/11 11:32 AM (8 months, 20 days ago) |
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No one is suggesting that electricity and modern conveniences be done away with.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1304327/Prince-Charles-urges-British-families-snub-bathtub.html?ito=feeds-newsxml
One must take shorter showers, says Charles: Prince urges British families to 'snub the bathtub'
Lol, coming from a man that uses more energy than anyone else (Prince "Zieg Heil!" Philip would be a close second, but he admittedly shares his council houses/palaces with queeny) and has his own private railway, has his organic food and his own chefs flown where-ever he goes as not to get contaminated with "commoner fare" has the hubris to tell us how to live our lives!
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Obviously I'm referring to those that have put forth ideas of genocide (OP).
Really? I promoted that? Me no think so. But then again, I can both read and write.
I mean, call me crazy but yeah that's what I got out of your post. Please feel free to clarify your belief.
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1. International viral epidemic?
2. Global starvation?
3. World War III?
Those are about the only real options. Unless we voluntarily control our breeding, it will be involuntarily controlled through horrific means; though not nearly as horrific as wearing a condom.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: LightShedder]
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I should clarify why you see the word 'genocide' when it appears nowhere in the post? I am not that well-versed in mental illness...
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I honestly have such little respect for you that I am struggling to conjure up the effort to explain the but what the hey
By asking "how SHOULD the population problem be corrected? International viral epidemic? Global Starvation? World war 3?"
If you weren't suggesting inflicting any if these yourself (which asking SHOULD implies) then you are at least very ignorant when it comes to world war 3 considering it would be impossible for this to occur without mass genocide.
Maybe you should go read up on the history of warfare and the current state if the potential nations in ww3 instead of studying mental illness, as it seems as though you have begun to absorb much of what you have studied.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: zappaisgod]
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I don't much give a shit. Are we not a natural species? Have not there been mass extinctions throughout the history of life on earth? Have not successful species always driven out unsuccessful ones? Is Rachel Carson, mass murderer, your hero because she managed to contribute to the early death of millions of little brown African babies to possibly save a few raptor species?
I am not talking about a few raptor species. I am talking about whales, orangutans, and tons of other plant and animal species. I guess that saving these species has more value to me than producing a few more billion humans. But even if you don't care a shit about the other plants and animals, loss of biodiversity is bad for humanity itself. Ecosystems with a lot of biodiversity are more resilient, and ecosystems with less biodiversity can more easily break down. So when we decrease the biodiversity around us, we also increase the chance for ecosystems to break down. Our agricultural ecosystem has a low biodiversity, and can therefore easily break down. For example, if all corn plants have the same genes, then a virus can easily wipe out all our corn plants leave us starving.
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I agree with most of what you're saying buy I gotta tell you, I don't see a virus wiping out all the corn EVER. Just can't imagine it being possible. Overall, we humans are definitely tearing this place apart.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: LightShedder]
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So once again it is my fault that you are intellectually unable to distinguish genocide from war nor unable to differentiate predicting from promoting? I am trying to understand your frustration when the error lies on your side of the screen. Would you like a link to an online dictionary?
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: LightShedder]
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I agree with most of what you're saying buy I gotta tell you, I don't see a virus wiping out all the corn EVER. Just can't imagine it being possible. Overall, we humans are definitely tearing this place apart.
Maybe, but viruses attack gene-specific. So, a smaller genetic diversity can more easily be attacked by a virus. Imagine if all humans had completely different genes. Then a virus would only be able to attack one single individual.
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No. But feel free to contribute something useful to the thread.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: LightShedder]
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Some people have said specifically "what happens when we feed the hungry people? They take and require more!" then going on to imply that they aren't entitled to food/life since it means (according to them) they'll be steppin on their toes in the air conditioned grocery store, or somethin.
Not quite, Feeding the starving encourages them to have babies once their bellies are full. This creates the next cycle of suffering. If we just feed them without majorly changing their awareness we are the problem imo. And I don't see much in the way of changing awareness going on. Not considering the size of the problem.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: Zanthius]
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I agree with most of what you're saying buy I gotta tell you, I don't see a virus wiping out all the corn EVER. Just can't imagine it being possible. Overall, we humans are definitely tearing this place apart.
Maybe, but viruses attack gene-specific. So, a smaller genetic diversity can more easily be attacked by a virus. Imagine if all humans had completely different genes. Then a virus would only be able to attack one single individual.
I hear ya. It's just that we've got diverse corn genetics stored away all over the place. Seeds and clones. If the current corn harvest everywhere got wiped out, yeah it would have a drastic impact but it wouldn't mean the end.
If you're trying to say that we should be more ecologically and strategically smart about our farming methods, I'm with you 100%
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Some people have said specifically "what happens when we feed the hungry people? They take and require more!" then going on to imply that they aren't entitled to food/life since it means (according to them) they'll be steppin on their toes in the air conditioned grocery store, or somethin.
Not quite, Feeding the starving encourages them to have babies once their bellies are full. This creates the next cycle of suffering. If we just feed them without majorly changing their awareness we are the problem imo. And I don't see much in the way of changing awareness going on. Not considering the size of the problem.
Why does it absolutely have to mean "the next cycle of suffering"? You ain't crazy for thinking that but, I'm not suggesting we just continue business as usual and feed a bunch of starvin marvins while were at it. Immsuggesting the we change business as usual- to make a long story short.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: LightShedder]
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No. But feel free to contribute something useful to the thread.
Like pretending a poster wrote something they did not? How could that possibly be helpful? Or should I do something even less useful like publicly annoucning which posters I respect and which ones I do not - anything at all but addressing the salient points?
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What I took from your several posts was that you were rooting for mass human deaths. That isn't the same thing as genocide. Not murderous but supremely assholic. Anyway, I have some nominees in mind for who should go first should you get your wish.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: LightShedder]
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Well my question to you in another thread which you refused to answer applies here. What makes you think, considering human history that people will be willing to share resources and agree to equality? There has never been any large scale examples of this. That's much of what human warfare is about.
While I agree that changing business as usual would be effective I personally don't believe from experience and history that humanity is up for that one at this time.
This is the only reason imo that I can support not feeding the starving. As history as shown another round of starving is in the offing down the road. This could be prevented if as in nature the population dies back to sustainable levels.Unfortunately it is far from a perfect solution.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: Icelander]
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In regard to the food supply there is no species-wide shortage. There are only local problems.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: zappaisgod]
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That is the problem.
This is not going away imo. To feed and leave just creates problems.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: zappaisgod]
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How is a self-correcting population my wish? I expected better reading comprehension from you.
It is inevitable and there are a limited number of avenues and restraint does not seem to be among them. The town I live in, Las Vegas, has gone from 20,000 to 3.5 million in about 30 years and is still expanding like crazy, and Lake Mead, the largest man-made lake in the world is down 180 feet over the last 6-8 years. What do you think will happen when it become a mud puddle and there is zero drinking water left?
It will not be pretty.
How does my seeing what is obvious make me an asshole?
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: zappaisgod]
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That isn't the same thing as genocide.
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How is a self-correcting population my wish? I expected better reading comprehension from you.
It is inevitable and there are a limited number of avenues and restraint does not seem to be among them. The town I live in, Las Vegas, has gone from 20,000 to 3.5 million in about 30 years and is still expanding like crazy, and Lake Mead, the largest man-made lake in the world is down 180 feet over the last 6-8 years. What do you think will happen when it become a mud puddle and there is zero drinking water left?
It will not be pretty.
How does my seeing what is obvious make me an asshole?
First of all what you propose as obvious is nonsense. Second of all your initial post, WHICH IS INCLUSIVE OF YOUR THREAD TITLE, elucidated only 3 solutions to what you perceived to a problem that needs correcting, all of which involved mass death of the human population in most unpleasant ways. (If it isn't a problem why correct it?) Final Solutions, as it were.
And I say unto you again that if you perceive the size of the human population to be a problem that needs correcting then you should start at home with yourself. Get on it.
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From Wikipedia: "Genocide is defined as "the deliberate and systematic destruction, in whole or in part, of an ethnic, Race (classification of humans) , religious, or national group",[1] though what constitutes enough of a "part" to qualify as genocide has been subject to much debate by legal scholars."
From The UN: "any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such: killing members of the group; causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life, calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; [and] forcibly transferring children of the group to another group."
I'd say youve qualified.
Btw as to your earlier post defending your op as "predicting" rather than "promoting", let me just give you a simple example of why you're wrong since explaining it would likely go over your head and turn into senseless bashes like previously...
How should these 1600 people be killed?
A. Guns
B. Knives
C. Strangulation?
"hey ur promoting murder!"
I wasn't promoting it I was predicting it.
We've already defined the "need-to-be-killed" group as the hungry ones in geographical/financial situations unsuitable for their survival. Excuse me for misinterpreting this as genocide. I'm still convinced that was your implication.
Genocide is not just killing of racial or ethnic groups.
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That isn't the same thing as genocide.
Now LightShredder will have to put you on Ignore for calling him a liar.
He'll have lots of company.
People who are ignoring you
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: zappaisgod]
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"First of all what you propose as obvious is nonsense."
What you propose is nonsense too. Neither of you is correct. But for all the force your opinions have, I expect to see great changes in the world as a result of this conversation.
Ah who am I kidding. It's obvious you both are just protecting your established knowledge. Feel free to fortify your self concepts. It may help you in conversations at bars.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: zappaisgod]
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Most of them put me on ignore for debunking Planet Niburu and other nonsense. Notice I have no one on ignore for I do not fear words on a screen.
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Wow you're so brave and tough.
I don't have anyone on ignore either! Look at me!
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: LightShedder]
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Was the American Civil War genocidal? No. All homicide is not genocide. Some wars are and some are not.
You keep getting all emotional. Leave that at the door and tell me the error here:
A booming population will eventually contract as th elimits of resources are approached or superceded.
This contraction will either be voluntarily through abstinence or birth control or it will be involuntary.
If it is involuntary then it will be painful and possibly quite violent as people fight over food/land/energy. Those that do not fight will starve.
My desires for mankind have never been a part of this discussion other than in your projections.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: LightShedder]
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Wow you're so brave and tough.
I don't have anyone on ignore either! Look at me!
I fail to understand your fascination with me and your numerous asides. Try to debate the topic.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: xFrockx]
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"First of all what you propose as obvious is nonsense."
What you propose is nonsense too. Neither of you is correct. But for all the force your opinions have, I expect to see great changes in the world as a result of this conversation.
Ummm no, there is more than ample planetary resources to sustain the population.
As far as Las Vegas goes it is quite possibly, after Dubai, the most artificial human settlement ever constructed. That includes Lake Mead especially.
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Try to debate the topic.
What is the topic now anyway?
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: Sly Stone]
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How malevolent OC is.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: LightShedder]
#15029265 - 09/04/11 04:57 PM (8 months, 20 days ago) |
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Again- LIFESTYLE
You keep saying "again", but you're not reading what's been told to you over and over "again".
Even if we grant that you are 100% correct, the facts of human behavior negate it. No matter how much better humans could make this world, it won't happen. Humans are greedy at their core. If you give those Bangladeshi you like so much a few more resources, they will start using them up for themselves and fuck everyone else, just like China does now that they finally have to ability to do it.
You are just not getting it that, in order for what you're saying to work, it would require a monumental shift in human behavior from greed to altruism, and that's not going to happen no matter how much you preach that it should. Humans fight and compete, take all we can for ourselves even if we don't need it, and then we regroup and go out to take even more. It's THE REASON humans are the most powerful species on the planet. The assumption that this evolutionary hard-wiring can change and the world's food problems solved through altruistic reductions in our over-consumption is incredibly naive. People will not give up their children's comfort for some lofty ideal of helping the entire world. "Me and mine first" is baked into our genes by evolution.
Hell, even Al Gore, the poster child for ecological responsibility lives in a giant, greedy, energy sinking mega-mansion that consumes enough resources to feed and power half of Bangladesh.
What does that tell you?
I think to turn around on this road to destruction it's gonna take much bigger collective changes on humanities part
BINGO! Changes that people by and large will not make. Even those who might personally make the sacrifice for the greater good will draw the line at changes that will impact their children's lifestyle. They may sacrifice for themselves, but will not allow their children to if they don't have to. And they don't have to.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: Diploid]
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: Icelander]
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I can't refute anythingyou said diploid.
I can however, and I genuinely do, feel like we have it in our potential. Not that it's even likely, but if it's possible, I wouldn't feel right not trying. Think of the exponential increase in knowledge/technology throughout history. Im nit trying to convince you if anything any ore than you are me. We see te same world, same resources, same humans, you might even see the same potential I'm speaking of and choose to be more "realistic" about the idea.
Chances are were doomed by 2050(as in the shitty possibilities listed in OP), but it'll be ight.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: zappaisgod]
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"Ummm no, there is more than ample planetary resources to sustain the population."
Into infinity?
Silly human.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: LightShedder]
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On a side note, don't you guys agree that you keep referring to my argument as "preaching", yet that it's no more preachy in it's format than your views and the way you present them? It's funny how when you present an optimistic view point that involves generosity and hospitality, it's automatically perceived as preaching. I dont give a fuck what anybody does with their mind or body.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: LightShedder]
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I can't refute anythingyou said diploid.
I can however, and I genuinely do, feel like we have it in our potential. Not that it's even likely, but if it's possible, I wouldn't feel right not trying. Think of the exponential increase in knowledge/technology throughout history. Im nit trying to convince you if anything any ore than you are me. We see te same world, same resources, same humans, you might even see the same potential I'm speaking of and choose to be more "realistic" about the idea.
Chances are were doomed by 2050(as in the shitty possibilities listed in OP), but it'll be ight.
Species come and species go and on a personal level I'm gone whether homo sapiens does or not. So really I don't care beyond my lifetime here. It's really none of my business.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: LightShedder]
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don't you guys agree that you keep referring to my argument as "preaching", yet that it's no more preachy
Stating that something ought to be different than what it actually is, is called 'preaching'.
Stating that something is the way it is, is not pessimistic. It is called 'reality'.
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don't you guys agree that you keep referring to my argument as "preaching", yet that it's no more preachy
Stating that something ought to be different than what it actually is, is called 'preaching'.
Stating that something is the way it is, is not pessimistic. It is called 'reality'.
My gift to you: http://dictionary.reference.com/
Wow more immaturity and lack of productive debate! I'm shocked.
Since apparently you're so incapable of using that handy tool you just linked, I'll infirm you that "saying something should be different"- which I didn't exactly do anymore than you did- is NOT preaching.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/_/dict.aspx?word=preaching
Look it up lazy.
It's you're projection on any viewpoint that encourages hospitality that gives you the impression I'm "preaching". You're viewpoint encourages one idea over mine, yet I don't perceive it as "preaching".
Show me where I told anybody they should do anything.
Also, you speak of your perception of reality as though it is concrete and objective. Shame on you.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: LightShedder]
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You are almost there. Now look up 'advocate'.
*OC leads LS to water...*
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Obviously you need to spend time with the dictionary.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: LightShedder] 1
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let's all go to time out and read the dictionary, front to back.
There's gonna be a test upon return though, so no skimping!
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The sad thing, and that's how it really works, is to make having children very expensive and given free for adoption if the parents don't care.
Making the parents work all day and create a society, where the community doesn't care for free running children. Dissolve the family-bonds, so the grandparents couldn't care either.
Something like this is happening in Germany, and the original german population decreases. The population level only is held up by immigrants.
edit: I don't think that birthrate and wealth (food supply) are direct proportional to each other.
http://www.indexmundi.com/g/r.aspx?c=gm&v=24
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: BlueCoyote]
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You are looking at locales and not the whole earth population. What fueled the first great population explosion? More food through agriculture and livestock breeding and the invention of large fishing nets and such.
In your Zimbabwe example of the highest breeding nation, it also has mass starvation; yet there is still enough food to make more babies. Give them more food and what will happen? Do you think the breeding will decrease or get even worse?
*Geez, this is like talking to kids...*
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If I eat more will I have a baby?
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: BlueCoyote]
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The sad thing, and that's how it really works, is to make having children very expensive and given free for adoption if the parents don't care.
Making the parents work all day and create a society, where the community doesn't care for free running children. Dissolve the family-bonds, so the grandparents couldn't care either.
Something like this is happening in Germany, and the original german population decreases. The population level only is held up by immigrants.
edit: I don't think that birthrate and wealth (food supply) are direct proportional to each other.
http://www.indexmundi.com/g/r.aspx?c=gm&v=24
No offense but I'm not going to miss the Germans when they're gone.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: LightShedder]
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don't you guys agree that you keep referring to my argument as "preaching", yet that it's no more preachy
Stating that something ought to be different than what it actually is, is called 'preaching'.
Stating that something is the way it is, is not pessimistic. It is called 'reality'.
My gift to you: http://dictionary.reference.com/
Wow more immaturity and lack of productive debate! I'm shocked.
Since apparently you're so incapable of using that handy tool you just linked, I'll infirm you that "saying something should be different"- which I didn't exactly do anymore than you did- is NOT preaching.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/_/dict.aspx?word=preaching
Look it up lazy.
It's you're projection on any viewpoint that encourages hospitality that gives you the impression I'm "preaching". You're viewpoint encourages one idea over mine, yet I don't perceive it as "preaching".
Show me where I told anybody they should do anything.
Also, you speak of your perception of reality as though it is concrete and objective. Shame on you.
preach - "To give religious or moral instruction, especially in a tedious manner"
That is from the link you posted. Maybe you would be better off reading your links in the future.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: zappaisgod]
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As far as Las Vegas goes it is quite possibly, after Dubai, the most artificial human settlement ever constructed. That includes Lake Mead especially.
1. What is a natural settlement?
2. What is the relevance?
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: Sly Stone]
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If I eat more will I have a baby?
Yeah, when your mass gets big enough a pseudopod will break off.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: Icelander]
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The sad thing, and that's how it really works, is to make having children very expensive and given free for adoption if the parents don't care.
Making the parents work all day and create a society, where the community doesn't care for free running children. Dissolve the family-bonds, so the grandparents couldn't care either.
Something like this is happening in Germany, and the original german population decreases. The population level only is held up by immigrants.
edit: I don't think that birthrate and wealth (food supply) are direct proportional to each other.
http://www.indexmundi.com/g/r.aspx?c=gm&v=24
No offense but I'm not going to miss the Germans when they're gone.
So they have to do something noteworthy again 
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You are looking at locales and not the whole earth population. What fueled the first great population explosion? More food through agriculture and livestock breeding and the invention of large fishing nets and such.
In your Zimbabwe example of the highest breeding nation, it also has mass starvation; yet there is still enough food to make more babies. Give them more food and what will happen? Do you think the breeding will decrease or get even worse?
*Geez, this is like talking to kids...*
I only said it's not directly proportional. In one country they are poor and breeding, in another they are not. In one country they are rich and breeding, and in others they are not.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: BlueCoyote]
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Do it like they did in the Hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy. Get all the hairdressers, retail workers, tradesmen, anyone with an IQ under 80 and so on, put them on a big spaceship and set the co-ords to a planet far far away. Tell them they're going to make a "master race" over there when in reality we're just offloading them. Replace their earth jobs with robots.
I know that's a form of lifestyle/intellect-chauvinism but fuck it.
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 Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: Sly Stone]
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If I eat more will I have a baby?
No, but you'll look like you're expecting one. 
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Hard to believe, right? Read it for yourself:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/7874721#Post7874721
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: BlueCoyote]
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BlueCoyote said:
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Icelander said:
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The sad thing, and that's how it really works, is to make having children very expensive and given free for adoption if the parents don't care.
Making the parents work all day and create a society, where the community doesn't care for free running children. Dissolve the family-bonds, so the grandparents couldn't care either.
Something like this is happening in Germany, and the original german population decreases. The population level only is held up by immigrants.
edit: I don't think that birthrate and wealth (food supply) are direct proportional to each other.
http://www.indexmundi.com/g/r.aspx?c=gm&v=24
No offense but I'm not going to miss the Germans when they're gone.
So they have to do something noteworthy again
My grandparents and mom and dad were mostly German. It's hard to imagine any more emotionally shut down, religious and fear driven, depressed and negative people. I'm sure there are plenty though.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: Icelander]
#15031481 - 09/05/11 07:18 AM (8 months, 20 days ago) |
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Even his pet kitty as a boy was part German:
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And part German Shepard.
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1. What is a natural settlement?
2. What is the relevance? "
Hey you. Shut up.
I am highly offended by the word "what" please refrain from using it.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: xFrockx]
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What?
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: Icelander]
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The word "what." It offends me.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: xFrockx]
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xFrockx 2.0
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: xFrockx]
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The word "what." It offends me.
I was making a joke dear boy.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: xFrockx]
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Que?
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: Diploid]
#15031623 - 09/05/11 08:03 AM (8 months, 20 days ago) |
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Stop it stop it stop it!!!   
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: xFrockx]
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Stop what?
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: xFrockx]
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As far as Las Vegas goes it is quite possibly, after Dubai, the most artificial human settlement ever constructed. That includes Lake Mead especially.
1. What is a natural settlement?
Oh, I don't know, maybe a settlement that arises from the general local ability of the fauna and flora to support it.Quote:
2. What is the relevance?
He bemoans the lowering of the water level in lake Mead. In case you didn't know Lake Mead is totally man-made. It would not exist in nature. See Hoover dam.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: lolwut]
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Do it like they did in the Hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy. Get all the hairdressers, retail workers, tradesmen, anyone with an IQ under 80 and so on, put them on a big spaceship and set the co-ords to a planet far far away. Tell them they're going to make a "master race" over there when in reality we're just offloading them. Replace their earth jobs with robots.
I know that's a form of lifestyle/intellect-chauvinism but fuck it.
Do you really think tradesmen have IQs lower than 80? That isn't chauvinistic. It's pure ignorant.
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As per usual you make no sense. Nothing is imported in the city where you live and there is no water piped in?
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: 4896744]
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don't you guys agree that you keep referring to my argument as "preaching", yet that it's no more preachy
Stating that something ought to be different than what it actually is, is called 'preaching'.
Stating that something is the way it is, is not pessimistic. It is called 'reality'.
My gift to you: http://dictionary.reference.com/
Wow more immaturity and lack of productive debate! I'm shocked.
Since apparently you're so incapable of using that handy tool you just linked, I'll infirm you that "saying something should be different"- which I didn't exactly do anymore than you did- is NOT preaching.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/_/dict.aspx?word=preaching
Look it up lazy.
It's you're projection on any viewpoint that encourages hospitality that gives you the impression I'm "preaching". You're viewpoint encourages one idea over mine, yet I don't perceive it as "preaching".
Show me where I told anybody they should do anything.
Also, you speak of your perception of reality as though it is concrete and objective. Shame on you.
preach - "To give religious or moral instruction, especially in a tedious manner"
That is from the link you posted. Maybe you would be better off reading your links in the future.
Maybe you would be better off if you'd actually read what I've written. Show me where I "gave religious or moral instruction" to anyone! As I said, I wasn't instructing anybody to do anything anymore than you guys are, I'm just presenting my viewpoint that population isn't the major factor in planetary destruction- when you guys tell me, so confidently, that I am ignorant and so on, I defend my viewpoint with reasoning, whether you agree with it or not.
Apparently since you don't agree, you think I'm trying to yell you how to live or some silly shit.
Please, show me where I've given anybody "moral or religious instruction" or you're a *******.
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you still should realize that you are FULL OF SHIT if you think that you are entitled to living the luxurious life you do as a westerner if you don't think African children gave a right to life/food.
What's most disgusting is the people responsible for the damage (us 300,000,000 Americans and other countries) try and say we should be able to continue destroying the planet (living like westerners). But be ayes they don't like the effect they have on the planet , they say we need to kill those not responsible (starving Africans).
Sounds like preaching to me.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: LightShedder]
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Maybe you would be better off if you'd stop being a smartass.
This is a personalism btw. Did you ever bother to read the forum guidelines?
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As per usual you make no sense. Nothing is imported in the city where you live and there is no water piped in?
Dude if you honestly can't find the relevance in bringing up the logistics of living in a city like las Vegas than it's reason to question your common sense.
500,000 people living out in the hot ass dessert where you would die in 5 days without electricity/water is a perfect example of what we shouldn't be doing if we have any consideration for the condition of the planet. You'd be just like those starvin mArvins if you were born into the las Vegas desert without the financial situation you were lucky enough to have access to.
Let me ask you a question orgone, do you feel like, because you were born into a better financial situation (America vs. Zimbabwe) than those living in some other deserts that you are more worthy of being fed and living a long healthy life? If so, how does the single fact that you were born somewhere else give you superiority over those in Zimbabwe when it comes to who should live and who should starve? Do you think you are more evolutionarily fit than they are? I bet if they were thrown into las Vegas and you were thrown into Zimbabwe, I doubt you'd work your way back up the financial ladder.
I ask these questions seriously because you insist that feeding hungry people (besides yourself) will lead to more hungry people. I just can't imagine how you yourself could eat food and say that other people shouldn't be fed, when if you compare your situation with an Ethiopians it looks like this :
Orgoneconclusion= geography- poor/ financial - stable
StarvinMarvin= geographi- poor/ financial- poor
So you, having randomly been thrown into te better financial situation believes that you do have a right to food and they don't? Because it will cause more hungry people?
Was everyone fed 3,000 years ago when there were a few million people? No, there were starving people then too because food distribution gets wacky in large societies. Was there a food shortage 3,000 years ago due to overpopulation?
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: Icelander] 1
#15032085 - 09/05/11 09:57 AM (8 months, 19 days ago) |
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I love how threads with these asinine rhetorical questions always bring out the Nazis.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: 4896744]
#15032088 - 09/05/11 09:57 AM (8 months, 19 days ago) |
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you still should realize that you are FULL OF SHIT if you think that you are entitled to living the luxurious life you do as a westerner if you don't think African children gave a right to life/food.
What's most disgusting is the people responsible for the damage (us 300,000,000 Americans and other countries) try and say we should be able to continue destroying the planet (living like westerners). But be ayes they don't like the effect they have on the planet , they say we need to kill those not responsible (starving Africans).
Sounds like preaching to me.
I guess you can't read... " giving moral or religious instruction"
Not my fault you can't read.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: LightShedder]
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you still should realize that you are FULL OF SHIT if you think that you are entitled to living the luxurious life you do as a westerner if you don't think African children gave a right to life/food.
What's most disgusting is the people responsible for the damage (us 300,000,000 Americans and other countries) try and say we should be able to continue destroying the planet (living like westerners). But be ayes they don't like the effect they have on the planet , they say we need to kill those not responsible (starving Africans).
Sounds like preaching to me.
I guess you can't read... " giving moral or religious instruction"
Not my fault you can't read.
So telling us what we should do isn't giving moral instruction?
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: Stranger]
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I love how threads with these asinine rhetorical questions always bring out the Nazis.
I love how those who can't contribute anything useful in a 6 page thread (non-rhetorical btw) chime in with annoying name-calling.
It's always funny to laugh at others weaknesses.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: LightShedder]
#15032129 - 09/05/11 10:05 AM (8 months, 19 days ago) |
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I guess you can't read... " giving moral or religious instruction"
I think you're conflating the stating of a better way to do things with the stating that people should follow that better way.
One is stating opinion. The other is preaching morality.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: 4896744]
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you still should realize that you are FULL OF SHIT if you think that you are entitled to living the luxurious life you do as a westerner if you don't think African children gave a right to life/food.
What's most disgusting is the people responsible for the damage (us 300,000,000 Americans and other countries) try and say we should be able to continue destroying the planet (living like westerners). But be ayes they don't like the effect they have on the planet , they say we need to kill those not responsible (starving Africans).
Sounds like preaching to me.
I guess you can't read... " giving moral or religious instruction"
Not my fault you can't read.
So telling us what we should do isn't giving moral instruction?
Wow! I can't find me telling anybody to do anything in that post.
Again, not my fault you can't read.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: LightShedder]
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lol I said EXACTLY someone would be Full of shit for claiming the following... Then I described qualities that I personally find disgusting.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: LightShedder]
#15032148 - 09/05/11 10:08 AM (8 months, 19 days ago) |
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That's my point, even after copying and pasting what I've said 2 times you still perceive it as preaching when it obviously is not. This is what I was talking- about. Just because it is a, possibly unrealistic viewpoint (and you believe it is) you somehow turn my opinion into a sermon when you're reading it.
Lack of ability to read.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: LightShedder]
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Wow! I can't find me telling anybody to do anything in that post.
Again, not my fault you can't read.
You said I should realize I am full of shit for thinking I am more entitled to food than an African child.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: LightShedder]
#15032153 - 09/05/11 10:09 AM (8 months, 19 days ago) |
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Wow! I can't find me telling anybody to do anything in that post.
Case in point:
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LightShedder preached: Change the way you live and quit cursing the beautiful act of creation
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: 4896744]
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I said if you think this, yetthink something else along with it, ur full of shit.
Opinion^^^
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: LightShedder]
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I said if you think this, yetthink something else along with it, ur full of shit.
Opinion^^^
Of course it's an opinion, but you very specifically said that I should believe a certain way. How is saying what I "should" do not preaching?
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: LightShedder]
#15032200 - 09/05/11 10:18 AM (8 months, 19 days ago) |
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I guess you can't read... " giving moral or religious instruction"
I think you're conflating the stating of a better way to do things with the stating that people should follow that better way.
One is stating opinion. The other is preaching morality.
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Open you're eyes.
Human Population isn't the problem. I'm tired of explaining this to people so this will be very brief....
When every american has 100x the ecological footprint as 1 bangledeshi, then you can't say that the number has a significant impact. It's obviously lifestyle.
(let's just say for sake of convo)
100 x bangledeshi lifestyle = 100 imprints
100 x American lifestyle = 10,000 imprints
Change the way you live and quit cursing the beautiful act of creation. It's the cursed way everyone's minds think, with those exact bad thoughts that need to be resolved.
"oh I'll just poison everyone and make the women infertile."
"oh well just take out 500,000 low-impact iraqis"
No, fuck that.
If you researched the numbers of people, the the arable land available, the technology available, the POTENTIAL technology we could harness, things could be going in the complete opposite direction, if we would redirect our energies towards expansion and progression- simple shit really. Not quite as simple as "oh we just need to wear condoms and never reproduce?!?!?"
You know diploid, if you posted the entire post it might seem more in context instead of misleading.
Clearly, I was expressing that I don't think population is the issue. The op was listing solutions to the population issue. I, in not agreeing with the pop issue, listed the single solution I feel is productive. By me saying "do this- it's the solution", it's no more preaching than when someone says "don't feed the hungry, there will just be more hungry!"
But if course the positive view is "preaching" and the negative one is "reality".
And you guys are welcome to continue making up your own definitios for words as we go along, anything but give me definite evidence that humanity is overpopulated.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: 4896744]
#15032207 - 09/05/11 10:20 AM (8 months, 19 days ago) |
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I said if you think this, yetthink something else along with it, ur full of shit.
Opinion^^^
Of course it's an opinion, but you very specifically said that I should believe a certain way. How is saying what I "should" do not preaching?
Specifically said "you should live a certain way"?!?!?!? Show me!
I said I think ur full of shit if the following 2 specific things apply to you!
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: LightShedder]
#15032213 - 09/05/11 10:21 AM (8 months, 19 days ago) |
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if you posted the entire post it might seem more in context instead of misleading... I was expressing that I don't think population is the issue
So what? You also told people how they should behave. That's preaching. You should not be surprised that it bugs people to be told by someone other than their mother how they should behave.
Why don't you drop the ego and accept that perhaps you could have stated things differently so the discussion can move on topic again?
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: Diploid]
#15032222 - 09/05/11 10:23 AM (8 months, 19 days ago) |
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No if you insist that I was preaching I think I'd rather stay on that topic and show you all the examples where the over-population preachers were clearly preaching under the logic you used for my "preaching"... I'll be back in a few with a looooooong quotation post...
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: LightShedder]
#15032230 - 09/05/11 10:25 AM (8 months, 19 days ago) |
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LightShedder said:
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iThink said:
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I said if you think this, yetthink something else along with it, ur full of shit.
Opinion^^^
Of course it's an opinion, but you very specifically said that I should believe a certain way. How is saying what I "should" do not preaching?
Specifically said "you should live a certain way"?!?!?!? Show me!
I said I think ur full of shit if the following 2 specific things apply to you!
You said I should realize that I am full of shit if those things apply to me. You did not provide evidence, you just made an unsupported claim of what I should do. This is preaching by definition.
I am most definitely more entitled to food than starving African children. I live in a developed nation where my wealth is legally protected, and I have a claim to use said wealth in the purchasing of food. Therefore, I am more entitled to food than African children. http://www.thefreedictionary.com/entitled
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: LightShedder]
#15032240 - 09/05/11 10:27 AM (8 months, 19 days ago) |
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Let me ask you a question orgone, do you feel like, because you were born into a better financial situation (America vs. Zimbabwe) than those living in some other deserts that you are more worthy of being fed and living a long healthy life?
No, I am not more worthy, but if the situation were reversed I would hardly expect some stranger from 6,000 miles away to feed me. Capiche?
If I were unable to feed my 8 children, is it not my responsibility to do a little planning on how I am going to take care of them before spitting out kids like larva?
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: LightShedder]
#15032264 - 09/05/11 10:32 AM (8 months, 19 days ago) |
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Dude if you honestly can't find the relevance in bringing up the logistics of living in a city like las Vegas than it's reason to question your common sense.
Got to tell you something similar is going on due to population density in every large city in the us. Food, water, power is shipped in and waste is shipped out.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: LightShedder]
#15032269 - 09/05/11 10:32 AM (8 months, 19 days ago) |
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500,000 people living out in the hot ass dessert where you would die in 5 days without electricity/water is a perfect example of what we shouldn't be doing if we have any consideration for the condition of the planet.
(Its 3.5 million). Not sure what your point is as your response has absolutely nothing to do with my post. I guess it is that reading comprehension thing again.
And yes, that is yet another preachy statement as evidenced by stating what others should or should not do.
If you truly cared for the planet as you pretend, turn off your computer and go save the planet. Unless you think head-butting will feed the masses and regrow the forests.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: Zanthius]
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I don't much give a shit. Are we not a natural species? Have not there been mass extinctions throughout the history of life on earth? Have not successful species always driven out unsuccessful ones? Is Rachel Carson, mass murderer, your hero because she managed to contribute to the early death of millions of little brown African babies to possibly save a few raptor species?
I am not talking about a few raptor species. I am talking about whales, orangutans, and tons of other plant and animal species. I guess that saving these species has more value to me than producing a few more billion humans. But even if you don't care a shit about the other plants and animals, loss of biodiversity is bad for humanity itself. Ecosystems with a lot of biodiversity are more resilient, and ecosystems with less biodiversity can more easily break down. So when we decrease the biodiversity around us, we also increase the chance for ecosystems to break down. Our agricultural ecosystem has a low biodiversity, and can therefore easily break down. For example, if all corn plants have the same genes, then a virus can easily wipe out all our corn plants leave us starving.
Yes what a crisis all that GMO corn that is poisoning us and being used to waste energy to make fuel just gone poof. Corn is a population destroyer. So maybe plant more of it?
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: LunarEclipse]
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they should stop to procreate like a cancer tumor
This was after he propsrd his idea of poisoning all the women with his sterility virus- of course this guy ain't preaching!
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Reinstate forced sterilization for all people determined by the state to be defective and not worthy of reproduction. Just like the good old days.
Surely these aren't "moral instructions". Would you be happier if "giving IMmoral instructions was in the definition?
This is just the first page, you get my point- which is that I find it interesting that a viewpoint like mine is perceived as preaching because i don't believe population to be the issue, yet when people "give instructions" on the other side of the argument, it doesnt stand out as preaching.
Dont get the wrong idea diploid with ur "drop your ego" crap. I wasn't mad or upset that anyone said I was preaching, maybe j was to the same extent that other people were, I was just pointing out that it's unbiasedly interesting that this viewpoint is perceived that way, which it consistently was by other people, with no insult or offense to me.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: Icelander]
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Dude if you honestly can't find the relevance in bringing up the logistics of living in a city like las Vegas than it's reason to question your common sense.
Got to tell you something similar is going on due to population density in every large city in the us. Food, water, power is shipped in and waste is shipped out.
Just in case you missed this. I can never tell if you just skip relevant posts that don't jibe with your imo, limited understanding of the issues.
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500,000 people living out in the hot ass dessert where you would die in 5 days without electricity/water is a perfect example of what we shouldn't be doing if we have any consideration for the condition of the planet.
(Its 3.5 million). Not sure what your point is as your response has absolutely nothing to do with my post. I guess it is that reading comprehension thing again.
And yes, that is yet another preachy statement as evidenced by stating what others should or should not do.
If you truly cared for the planet as you pretend, turn off your computer and go save the planet. Unless you think head-butting will feed the masses and regrow the forests.
It's literally fascinating how when the "unrealistic" idea is expressed it's preaching. When the "realistic" view is expressed (in the EXACT same format, as shown above) it's not.
Fascinating.
And I can point it out and no one comprehends it.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: LightShedder]
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Shouldn't you be getting back on topic as you always recommend to others?
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: Icelander]
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Skipping relevant counterpoint is a good indicator of a weak position and is not debating in good faith.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: Icelander]
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Dude if you honestly can't find the relevance in bringing up the logistics of living in a city like las Vegas than it's reason to question your common sense.
Got to tell you something similar is going on due to population density in every large city in the us. Food, water, power is shipped in and waste is shipped out.
Just in case you missed this. I can never tell if you just skip relevant posts that don't jibe with your imo, limited understanding of the issues.
And of course you're prepared to broaden my limited understanding of these issues. Or are you just going to keep making asshole posts like the ones you repeatedly direct towards me?
Of course you're right and I'm wrong and I'm the one with a limited understanding of the complicated issue of planetary destruction.
Of course it's just as simple as wear a condom.
Immglad we have motivated geniuses like all of you to step in and save the planet with your condoms.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: Icelander]
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Shouldn't you be getting back on topic as you always recommend to others?
He would rather talk about hurt feelings. Hungry third world children thrive on petty emotion.
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Skipping relevant counterpoint is a good indicator of a weak position and is not debating in good faith.
Excuse me for missing a single post at the end of the last page after this new page popped up.I know I've had an excellent track record in this thread at using logic against silly insults so you guys are apparently shocked when I dont respond to something immediately. I'm sorry I let you down.
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Shouldn't you be getting back on topic as you always recommend to others?
He would rather talk about hurt feelings. Hungry third world children thrive on petty emotion.
Obviously were immensely concerned in getting back on topic.
Btw I've got a million childish insults in my book where incould make fun if your idiotic courageous "o we must stop reproducing, we are a tumor" mentality but since I silts aren't productive towards debate, I choose not to.
It's called discipline. Go look it up in that complicated-to- use dictionary you love to misunderstand so much.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: LightShedder]
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I am most definitely more entitled to food than starving African children. I live in a developed nation where my wealth is legally protected, and I have a claim to use said wealth in the purchasing of food. Therefore, I am more entitled to food than African children. http://www.thefreedictionary.com/entitled
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: LightShedder]
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It's literally fascinating how when the "unrealistic" idea is expressed it's preaching. When the "realistic" view is expressed (in the EXACT same format, as shown above) it's not.
No, what is fascinating is that you stated you were not preaching when you were. That is called 'lying'.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: 4896744]
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When I say "I feel like feeding this starving African". That goes along with them being entitled to it, according to the definition linked up there. When someone says "don't do it, they'll just create more hungry people" I ignore them and feed them anyway. But the point is, that they are claiming that the starvin Marvin is not entitled to the food though ther personally feel they are themselves. Sure the African is not legally entitled to the food but legal nation-given entitlement is not the end all be all to the word "entitled". They are entitled to it if I give it to then, so I'm just wondering why some people insist that I do t when they feel entitled to eat.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: LightShedder]
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Or are you just going to keep making [basshole posts like the ones you repeatedly direct towards me?
It's amazing how fast some folk lose credibility in this forum. You have none and the ignorance exhibited is astonishing to everyone but you.
Too late to change the wording btw.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: LightShedder]
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If I am hungry am I entitled to break into your house and raid your fridge?
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: Icelander]
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You are speaking fir everyone? Very credible bud. Credible.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: LightShedder]
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When I say "I feel like feeding this starving African". That goes along with them being entitled to it, according to the definition linked up there. When someone says "don't do it, they'll just create more hungry people" I ignore them and feed them anyway. But the point is, that they are claiming that the starvin Marvin is not entitled to the food though ther personally feel they are themselves. Sure the African is not legally entitled to the food but legal nation-given entitlement is not the end all be all to the word "entitled". They are entitled to it if I give it to then, so I'm just wondering why some people insist that I do t when they feel entitled to eat.
If you want to feed a few African people go for it. This doesn't change the fact that you said I would be full of shit for thinking I am more entitled to food than an African child. I then gave you my reasoning as to how I am more entitled to food that starving African children. The African children obviously aren't entitled to the food if they are starving.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: Icelander]
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I like to leave food crumbs out for hungry ants and cockroaches because it is my job to diminish the suffering of all critters great and small. In my heart I know they will not make more baby ants with that extra energy.
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If I am hungry am I entitled to break into your house and raid your fridge?
No ones about to tell you you're legally entitled to but you certainly have the freedom to try. Is this relevant to feeding starving people though?
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: LightShedder]
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You are speaking fir everyone? Very credible bud. Credible.
Check out how many here are in agreement with you.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: 4896744]
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When I say "I feel like feeding this starving African". That goes along with them being entitled to it, according to the definition linked up there. When someone says "don't do it, they'll just create more hungry people" I ignore them and feed them anyway. But the point is, that they are claiming that the starvin Marvin is not entitled to the food though ther personally feel they are themselves. Sure the African is not legally entitled to the food but legal nation-given entitlement is not the end all be all to the word "entitled". They are entitled to it if I give it to then, so I'm just wondering why some people insist that I do t when they feel entitled to eat.
If you want to feed a few African people go for it. This doesn't change the fact that you said I would be full of shit for thinking I am more entitled to food than an African child. I then gave you my reasoning as to how I am more entitled to food that starving African children. The African children obviously aren't entitled to the food if they are starving.
If I go hand them food they aren't entitled to it because they're starving?!? This makes no sense to me.
I'm not asking are they entitled to the food when they're starving... I say I will feed them and when people say don't do it, I ask why they don't feel that the Africans are then entitled to my gift.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: LightShedder]
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My neighbor weighs 320 pounds and is always hungry. I wonder if a Double Biggy Burger and SuperScooper fries would help...
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: Icelander]
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You are speaking fir everyone? Very credible bud. Credible.
Check out how many here are in agreement with you.
This is indicative of nothing more than the obvious fact that you meanies scare everyone away who doesnt share your narrow-minded pessimism.
Im more durable than those pussies though.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: LightShedder]
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Witty comeback to iThink's rational post.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: LightShedder]
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If I go hand them food they aren't entitled to it because they're starving?!? This makes no sense to me.
I'm not asking are they entitled to the food when they're starving... I say I will feed them and when people say don't do it, I ask why they don't feel that the Africans are then entitled to my gift.
If you have given them food then they aren't starving are they?
Also, what is your goal with feeding them? Is it to help eliminate or at least reduce suffering?
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: LightShedder]
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You are speaking fir everyone? Very credible bud. Credible.
Check out how many here are in agreement with you.
This is indicative of nothing more than the obvious fact that you newbies scare everyone away who doesnt share your narrow-minded pessimism.
Im more durable than those pussies though.
How can newbies scare everyone away? Maybe review your posts a little.
as to the rest, it's untrue and so doesn't apply.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: 4896744]
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Witty comeback to iThink's rational post.
Credibility? None.
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If I go hand them food they aren't entitled to it because they're starving?!? This makes no sense to me.
I'm not asking are they entitled to the food when they're starving... I say I will feed them and when people say don't do it, I ask why they don't feel that the Africans are then entitled to my gift.
If you have given them food then they aren't starving are they?
Also, what is your goal with feeding them? Is it to help eliminate or at least reduce suffering?
I've been hungry. I was fed. Now I'm able to feed someone else, I choose to do it. No big deal. I actually don't put a whole lot of thought into it.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: Icelander]
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your narrow-minded pessimism
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: Icelander]
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You are speaking fir everyone? Very credible bud. Credible.
Check out how many here are in agreement with you.
This is indicative of nothing more than the obvious fact that you newbies scare everyone away who doesnt share your narrow-minded pessimism.
Im more durable than those pussies though.
How can newbies scare everyone away? Maybe review your posts a little.
as to the rest, it's untrue and so doesn't apply.
This stupid phone I type on likes to change words into different ones, as if it's doing me a favor.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: LightShedder]
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I've been hungry. I was fed. Now I'm able to feed someone else, I choose to do it. No big deal. I actually don't put a whole lot of thought into it.
Well there's your problem.
You don't see me coming into the philosophy forum to argue about my often times reckless ingestion of multiple drugs at once is rational or wise.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: LightShedder]
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I actually don't put a whole lot of thought into it.
One of the few things you've said I agree with.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: Icelander]
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That is a good place as any to close.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: Icelander]
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Well any thought I do put into it doesn't change my mind. By saying I do t put a whole lot if thought inti it responding to ithinks question of "do you do it to reduce or eliminate suffering?" I just want to help somebody like I've been helped- that's all the thought I put Into feeding someone.
Now as for thinking about overpopulation/issues that do affect our planet, I've put a lot more thought into the matter.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: LightShedder]
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Closing on senseless insults? I'm shocked you would feel that way orgone! Why not end with something relevant?
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That is a good place as any to close.
Final thought.
We should take all the food and divide it into six billion pieces so that everyone gets and equal amount. Then we hold hands and sing Kumbaya.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: Sly Stone]
#15032569 - 09/05/11 11:40 AM (8 months, 19 days ago) |
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It's going to be a really, really large campfire. I usually bring the marshmellows, but it would take about 5 super-freighters...
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: LightShedder]
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Why is this thread becoming an 'attack lightshedder' free for all? I agree, he is not posting in the most respectful manner, and he sure is catching a lot of flak for it.
Why don't we maybe get to the root of the problem proposed at the beginning and let bygones be bygones?
What I think we've gotten through so far:
1. There are 2 camps - Camp P thinks population is to blame for the dwindling resources, and Camp R thinks its the way resources are allocated that are to blame, and maybe there is a third, camp Q, who thinks we do not have a problem with resources.
2. Camp P thinks population will be controlled with backlash either through mother nature or societal implosion (yes, cool word i made up for war!!)
3. Camp R thinks that without proper attention to the way resources are being distributed, there will be backlash through mother nature or societal implosion.
4. There is no consensus between the two camps as to 'what should be done' - camp P has a standoffish view, in that what will happen will be done, and camp R thinks action should be taken, although by whom, whether individuals or governments, and by what, whether regulation of energy or development of new technologies, is unclear.
I think these two camps have more in common than they are willing to admit, especially after all the personalisms have come into play. Perhaps only camp Q, the ones who do not think there is a problem, is in opposition to camps P & R, although it can also be argued that camp Q & P are in opposition to R since both Q&P think there is no immediate action to be taken.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: penelope_tree]
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: penelope_tree]
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As per usual you make no sense. Nothing is imported in the city where you live and there is no water piped in?
Not when it was founded.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: LightShedder]
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I just want to help somebody like I've been helped- that's all the thought I put Into feeding someone.
This is the main problem with thoughtless "helping" one doesn't take the time to find out if that "help" is going to actually do more harm than the good it is doing.
This is why I was compelled to change my personal opinion on feeding the starving. It was a painful choice but I felt that it would be the lesser of two very sad "evils".
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: zappaisgod]
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As per usual you make no sense. Nothing is imported in the city where you live and there is no water piped in?
Not when it was founded.
So?
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: Icelander]
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I just want to help somebody like I've been helped- that's all the thought I put Into feeding someone.
This is the main problem with thoughtless "helping" one doesn't take the time to find out if that "help" is going to actually do more harm than the good it is doing.
This is why I was compelled to change my personal opinion on feeding the starving. It was a painful choice but I felt that it would be the lesser of two very sad "evils".
I can relate to the dread of future harm being caused by feeding, but I'm not completely convinced that there's no hope for tomorrow in creating a more sustainable life for those suffering today. At least not convinced enough to make a decision not to feed hungry people- which I must point out, is not like ALL I do... I volunteer a little at homeless shelters and food banks and I donate what I can to reputable food charities, in the future I hope to accomplish more but it's not like I'm trying to mindlessly go around feeding everyone or that I expect anyone else to do this. That's what it kind of comes off as when I explain why I am not philosophically opposed to feeding hungry people as some of you are.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: Icelander]
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As per usual you make no sense. Nothing is imported in the city where you live and there is no water piped in?
Not when it was founded.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: zappaisgod]
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Nice nothing answer.
If it's a problem now and outgrown it's carrying capacity of self sufficiency, then it could be dismantled as it is now what you call" artificial or unnatural" and the same problem that is being caused by Vegas.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: zappaisgod]
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That is a good place as any to close.
Final thought.
We should take all the food and divide it into six billion pieces so that everyone gets and equal amount. Then we hold hands and sing Kumbaya.
Considering there is already more than enough food grown,partially consumed then wasted to feed every human on the planet 2 times, this sounds likes fabulous idea.
Especially the song selection!
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: LightShedder]
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The bottom line is that human emotional nature needs to change for things to change and it has not change in recorded history to any appreciable degree. Wars and famines still rage just like in olden times. Those with power and means take what they can get and keep and share only if they are over satiated and then just a tad.
I was watching them drop food for the starving in Africa and when the plane left a group of bandits from another tribe close by swooped in and killed many and stole the food. They were not starving and that is why. Sad but true.
It's likely that money you give where you cannot see what happens to it often ends up like this.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: Icelander]
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Nice nothing answer.
If it's a problem now and outgrown it's carrying capacity of self sufficiency, then it could be dismantled as it is now what you call" artificial or unnatural" and the same problem that is being caused by Vegas.
NY evolved into what it was. It has possibly the greatest natural harbor in the world and is surrounded by wonderfully fertile farmland with a tremendous water supply. LV wsa plopped down in the middle of one of the most inhospitable parts of the country by mobsters and exists only because there are gambling and prostitution prohibitions in the rest of the country.
I never said there were any problems caused by Vegas. I just said that anybody who lives there has no business whining about unnatural this or falling watre levels that. Do you know where else wouldn't be settled if not for government intervention? New Orleans. There was a reason only the French Quarter was settled.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: Icelander]
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That last sentence is a tricky one for me. That's why I prefer contemplating larger issues in need of resolve, rather than donate money to an established corpora- I mean charity.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: zappaisgod]
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Nice nothing answer.
If it's a problem now and outgrown it's carrying capacity of self sufficiency, then it could be dismantled as it is now what you call" artificial or unnatural" and the same problem that is being caused by Vegas.
NY evolved into what it was. It has possibly the greatest natural harbor in the world and is surrounded by wonderfully fertile farmland with a tremendous water supply. LV wsa plopped down in the middle of one of the most inhospitable parts of the country by mobsters and exists only because there are gambling and prostitution prohibitions in the rest of the country.
I never said there were any problems caused by Vegas. I just said that anybody who lives there has no business whining about unnatural this or falling watre levels that. Do you know where else wouldn't be settled if not for government intervention? New Orleans. There was a reason only the French Quarter was settled.
He wasn't whining about that. He was using it as an example. And he wasn't saying anything was unnatural. Like myself he believes everything is natural. He was speaking tongue in cheek if anything.
Many large cities start out in similar situations to NY. They even put up the buildings on quality farmland. Take Detroit, they are thinking that the best thing to do with it now is tear it down and farm it. I think that's a damn good idea. That land is rich and has lain fallow so is still in good shape.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: Icelander]
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Mmm "motor city organics", I can taste it now.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: LightShedder]
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I grew up nearby.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: Icelander]
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To the argument of "has (fill in the blank) ever occurred once before in history? Hell no!"
Are you confident that history is finished? No new accomplishments will be made? Maybe we just haven't gotten there yet. You can't base the future off of histories' accomplishments, concluding that something is impossible strictly based on the fact that it has not yet occurred in history. surely no one refutes me on that.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: LightShedder]
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On a side note, I vote that we don't lock this thread even when it dies off...
Maybe that will encourage those in te future who will inevitably start yet another overpopulation thread to just come post here.
I've been through a few good overpopulation threads now.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: LightShedder]
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To the argument of "has (fill in the blank) ever occurred once before in history? Hell no!"
Are you confident that history is finished? No new accomplishments will be made? Maybe we just haven't gotten there yet. You can't base the future off of histories' accomplishments, concluding that something is impossible strictly based on the fact that it has not yet occurred in history. surely no one refutes me on that.
I never said it was impossible. What I am saying it's very very very unlikely do to the nature of the evolutionary process and how long it may take for major mutation/or adaptation to take place. And that's not very likely due to how well our current emotional landscape has very effectively insured our survival in all of human history.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: Icelander]
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That's a valid argument.
"Has (fill in the blank) ever occurred in history?" isn't IMO.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: LightShedder]
#15034605 - 09/05/11 06:36 PM (8 months, 19 days ago) |
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Not sure what you are saying.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: Icelander]
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Just that, the sole fact alone that something hasn't happened in history before doesn't prove that it can't happen. If there's a good reason why something might not happen, like thereason you mentioned, then that fact proves that something might nothappen.
Example:
you can't fly because no ones ever flown before.
As opposed to
You can't fly because you don't have wings, aren't the right size/shape, aren't generically inclined to do so etc.
Reason 2 proves the point while reason 1 is just a history lesson.
When I havetime I'm gonna type out the valid arguments (IMO) for the anti-overpopulation theory. Or rather the overpopulation theory because in yalls mind, I'm promoting overpopulation lol.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: LightShedder]
#15034855 - 09/05/11 07:11 PM (8 months, 19 days ago) |
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OK I get ya.
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I don't think you are promoting overpopulation. I think however it is a likely outcome of the actions you take.
I think you have good intentions as far as it goes.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: Icelander]
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I think we should start putting efforts into colonizing space, but since that isn't likely to happen anytime soon...
A killer airborn virus or perhaps nanobot virus/poison that doesn't cause symptoms until it is too late which would ideally be a couple days. Idealy the virus would be one that would
-Take civilian scientists a while to find a cure
-That doesn't cause symptoms until it is too late which would ideally be a week.
- A vaccine should have already been made and given to the "choosen" before hand preforable with out them knowing.
-Realease it at major airports all at the same time.
I of course would be against this but if it were to be done this seems like an effective plan.
China seeems to have reduced their population, but that isn't without its problems.
There are many scenarios where natural disastered could reduce the population significantly, and then there are all of these weopons we have laying around waiting for an accident.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: sk8ordude]
#15035482 - 09/05/11 09:18 PM (8 months, 19 days ago) |
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I'm an advocate for the exploration ofspace.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: LightShedder]
#15036161 - 09/06/11 12:53 AM (8 months, 19 days ago) |
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This guy says it better than I do.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: LightShedder]
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I'm an advocate for the exploration ofspace.
We've already been doing that.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: Icelander]
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No war, disease, mass killings of any sort, completely voluntary, and promoted feminism.(yeah, I know someone else already posted a similar vid)
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: foliocb]
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Dreams are fun aren't they.
But lets get back to reality now.
Personality I think things will continue on the way they always have and I think the weight of evidence is on my side. Then, possibly, something will come into play that ends it.
This might sound like I've given up on changing the world and you'd be right. There is really nothing to change.
It's the same approach I take with my own evolution. I don't try and change anything in myself anymore. I just watch and wait, accept what is and let whatever happens happen.
I didn't create all this and so it's not my job to "fix" it. How can I "fix" something I don't fully understand? My guess is that as far as nature is concerned, nothing is broken. Not that nature has concerns.
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natures concern is to use me as fertilizer
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: foliocb]
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So doo your doody and eat orgasmic.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: LightShedder]
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Just that, the sole fact alone that something hasn't happened in history before doesn't prove that it can't happen. If there's a good reason why something might not happen, like thereason you mentioned, then that fact proves that something might nothappen.
Example:
you can't fly because no ones ever flown before.
As opposed to
You can't fly because you don't have wings, aren't the right size/shape, aren't generically inclined to do so etc.
Well, an airplane can technically be invented by a single individual. Changing the mindset of the world population requires mental effort from everyone, not just a single individual. The likelihood that a single individual is going to change his or her mindset might be large, but the likelihood that everybody in the world is going to change their mindset is extremely small. Why do you think so many people still believe in Islam, Christianity, and Judaism? Because the mindset of the past carries a lot of inertia into the present and cannot necessarily be changed easily or quickly. We are definitely seeing a change in the mindset of people towards more environmentalism, but unfortunately it is happening way too slowly.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: foliocb]
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No war, disease, mass killings of any sort, completely voluntary, and promoted feminism.(yeah, I know someone else already posted a similar vid)
I've never seen/heard that Terence clip! He pretty much quoted me word for word, except his claim isthat an American has 800 timesthe impact on the planet than a bangledeshi.
Looking back through this thread, I feel that I've put forth evidence that supports the idea that population isn't a useful factor to consider, while all the opposers have done is list negative issues wrong with the eart as if this probes that it is caused by population- yet that is the big piece of evidence I have yet to be shown- the evidence that ANY of these problems are directly and mostly an effect of the overpopulation.
I've been called lots of dumb names, picked on, been reminded of a few planetary issues, though have yet to see any evidence linking overpopulation to destruction of the planet
At least I got that nigga Terence on my side!
And btw orgone, the concept of limited food supply doesn't prove that overpopulation is a serious issue.
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"If it seems radical, pretend like it is normal."
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: LightShedder]
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Well that's because you can't destroy the planet. It would take more than humanity to do that.
And
There is ample evidence that locally, overpopulation taxes human food resources to the breaking point.
And it's really something to whine about name calling when you were in the thick of it and the only one given a warning as far as I remember. 
I don't know where you learned your forum manners but imo it's really something to behold. Yet you seem to think you are a victim here.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: Icelander]
#15037535 - 09/06/11 10:19 AM (8 months, 18 days ago) |
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Eugenics?
Control who can and cannot bread using a series of IQ and physical tests.
Also the enforcement of this law will cause WWIII and then china will release a super virus and we'll have to kill all the Chinese for vengeance.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: Icelander]
#15037543 - 09/06/11 10:21 AM (8 months, 18 days ago) |
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Go back and read the first 2 pages and put yourself in my shoes.
All I did was propse a theory that you guys think is sooo stupid. Once I was treated rudely, yes I didn't show the utmost respect back.
I wasn't "whining", rather just pointing out truth. By you callin it that, it's more of the "picking on" I was talking about.
Again, all the proof I need that you guys have your heads too far up you- nevermind.
I've said all I need to say.
Have fun with it condoms.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: Icelander]
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Open you're eyes.
Human Population isn't the problem. I'm tired of explaining this to people so this will be very brief....
When every american has 100x the ecological footprint as 1 bangledeshi, then you can't say that the number has a significant impact. It's obviously lifestyle.
(let's just say for sake of convo)
100 x bangledeshi lifestyle = 100 imprints
100 x American lifestyle = 10,000 imprints
Change the way you live and quit cursing the beautiful act of creation. It's the cursed way everyone's minds think, with those exact bad thoughts that need to be resolved.
"oh I'll just poison everyone and make the women infertile."
"oh well just take out 500,000 low-impact iraqis"
No, fuck that.
If you researched the numbers of people, the the arable land available, the technology available, the POTENTIAL technology we could harness, things could be going in the complete opposite direction, if we would redirect our energies towards expansion and progression- simple shit really. Not quite as simple as "oh we just need to wear condoms and never reproduce?!?!?"
And in history when has humanity ever really, on a large scale, gone in for equality?
You can preach all you want about things that aren't ever going to happen as far as we know and continue on with the beautiful act of creation secure in the fact that you are being very PC about it.
Feel free to show me where my "manners" were not of your standards prior to you making this post- which IMO is of poor taste and bad manners- since you want to bring up manners.
This was actually the first personalism if the whole thread, there were many more directed towards me before I responded with anything less than respectful so I do t see where everyone gets this "lightshedder" is disrespectful bullshit.
It's you guys who are rude and, with no valid arguments (no whining about the world isn't debate) all you can do is call names.
And u wanna tell me about my manners?
That's called hypocrisy
http://dictionary.reference.com/
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: LightShedder]
#15037618 - 09/06/11 10:34 AM (8 months, 18 days ago) |
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He's right you know lightshredder.
True equality goes against human nature.
It will never happen.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: Icelander]
#15037644 - 09/06/11 10:39 AM (8 months, 18 days ago) |
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Sly Stone said:
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LightShedder said:
I'm tired of explaining this to people so this will be very brief....
I guess because I didn't go to renewable resources university, I can't understand which fantasy better.
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OrgoneConclusion said:
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Icelander said:
This is the discussion forum, not the action forum.
In this way he can maintain his false self-image of superiority and righteous indignation without actually having to do a fucking thing. It's a personal win-win.
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Icelander said:
Oh sorry, they all look alike to me.
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Icelander said:
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LightShedder said:
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Icelander said:
I see you still choose to ignore my question even when reposted at your request.
If you're asking how we plan to feed 50 billion people I say....
It's not like im claiming that if 50 billion people were thrown onto the planet tomorrow that we'd be able to feed them before they all get a chance to watch American gladiators... Rather, if we harnessed our potential collectively as a species (which involves reproduction and selective teachings to younger generations, not genocide) we would be prepared by the time we reach that population.
How?
Threres endless possibilities I won't elaborate on right now (maybe later) ranging from things as simple as resourceful farming/efficient living habits to realistic space exploration/inhabitation.
It's possible, it takes faith and action of a radical degree, yes.
Once again you completely skipped the question I reposted for you. Go figure.
Let me help you by yelling. IN ALL OF HUMAN HISTORY HAS THERE EVER BEEN ANY MAJOR EVIDENCE THAT HUMANS ARE GOING TO BE WILLING TO PRACTICE EQUALITY AND EQUALLY SHARE RESOURCES?
ALL of these things (mainly by you) were said to me before I ONCE responded back with anything disrespectful.
So I went at least the first 2 pages with u guys being rude without even responding.
And I'm the disrespectful one. This is the logic you guys use to determine that saving condoms will save the planet. Brilliant!
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: Randall_Flagg]
#15037647 - 09/06/11 10:41 AM (8 months, 18 days ago) |
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Randall_Flagg said:
He's right you know lightshredder.
True equality goes against human nature.
It will never happen.
Quit puttin stupid ass words in my mouth?
True equality? Who said anything about that.
Not me, I'm just convinced that factors other than overpopulation are responsible for the damage being observed to our planet.
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"If it seems radical, pretend like it is normal."
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: LightShedder]
#15037680 - 09/06/11 10:48 AM (8 months, 18 days ago) |
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You're just making yourself look worse man.
I didnt say you said anything, but you quoted when icelander said that and continued to argue.
So I was just saying.
No need to be a dick to me too, although you can, I dont give a shit, but seriously its just making you look worse.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: Randall_Flagg]
#15037709 - 09/06/11 10:55 AM (8 months, 18 days ago) |
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You said "lightshedder, he's right, true equality will never happen". Why would you say this to me if you didn't think I had said that?
I mean, that's extreme, you can't even interpret my posts beyond anything more than "true equality"?
Seriously where the fuck did I say that?!?!
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: Randall_Flagg]
#15037723 - 09/06/11 10:57 AM (8 months, 18 days ago) |
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You're just making yourself look worse man.
I didnt say you said anything, but you quoted when icelander said that and continued to argue.
So I was just saying.
No need to be a dick to me too, although you can, I dont give a shit, but seriously its just making you look worse
First off, I didn't "quite Icelander and continue arguing". I quoted him where was a dick so he would see that he was a dick to me long before I ever was to him.
Second off, I'm not being a dick to you by using profanity, and I don't care what you think I look like for cussing, YOU are making me look worse by putting words in my mouth like "true equality".
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"If it seems radical, pretend like it is normal."
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: LightShedder]
#15037795 - 09/06/11 11:19 AM (8 months, 18 days ago) |
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False.
You are making yourself look worse with your poor spelling, grammar, and punctuation.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: LightShedder]
#15037925 - 09/06/11 11:50 AM (8 months, 18 days ago) |
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LightShedder said:
Go back and read the first 2 pages and put yourself in my shoes.
All I did was propse a theory that you guys think is sooo stupid. Once I was treated rudely, yes I didn't show the utmost respect back.
I wasn't "whining", rather just pointing out truth. By you callin it that, it's more of the "picking on" I was talking about.
Again, all the proof I need that you guys have your heads too far up you- nevermind.
I've said all I need to say.
Have fun with it condoms.
More of the same nonsense. No one flamed you once that I could see. You did however. You bust into this forum and then basically demand how debate be conducted to preserve your personal feelings. IMO nothing you did had any class. And you were the only one breaking rules. And still you need to make it personal with these comments. Frankly the sooner you are gone from here the better for the quality of posting in this forum.
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― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: LightShedder]
#15037952 - 09/06/11 11:57 AM (8 months, 18 days ago) |
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And I didn't see anyone in those first two pages insulting you. But I did see you ignoring answering my question even when you asked me to repeat it which I did several times.
Lets face it. Rough boys play here but when they play they know the rules and abide by them.
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― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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White Beard
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The solution to the population problem is hive cities.
With the population condensed into a very small location, the rest of the land can be used for agriculture instead of urban sprawl. Of course living on one of the lower levels of the hive wouldn't be pleasant but I think this solution is better then starvation.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: White Beard]
#15038288 - 09/06/11 01:14 PM (8 months, 18 days ago) |
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Would we slowly grow blind and turn into slug-like beings?
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Everyone except for the lucky bastards who live near the sun. Then there will be a war between the humans and the slugs, and the slugs will win because there is more of them. Thus the problem of human overpopulation will be solved once and for all.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: White Beard]
#15038337 - 09/06/11 01:29 PM (8 months, 18 days ago) |
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So HG Wells was right all along.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: Icelander]
#15038404 - 09/06/11 01:48 PM (8 months, 18 days ago) |
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Rough boys play here
Sounds like a gay porn flick!
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Hard to believe, right? Read it for yourself:
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: Diploid]
#15038525 - 09/06/11 02:15 PM (8 months, 18 days ago) |
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I wouldn't know. 
*OC cancels trip to Miami to visit Diploid*
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: Diploid]
#15039177 - 09/06/11 04:41 PM (8 months, 18 days ago) |
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Diploid said:
Rough boys play here
Sounds like a gay porn flick!
and you moderate.
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― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: Icelander]
#15039263 - 09/06/11 04:56 PM (8 months, 18 days ago) |
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He can also toss a mean salad.
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― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: Icelander]
#15039331 - 09/06/11 05:09 PM (8 months, 18 days ago) |
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yeah most man salad is foul
I know mine would be
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: Kickle]
#15039497 - 09/06/11 05:51 PM (8 months, 18 days ago) |
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jesus christ the answer you seek is in this picture
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: LightShedder]
#15039505 - 09/06/11 05:53 PM (8 months, 18 days ago) |
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Quote:
LightShedder said:
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Sly Stone said:
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LightShedder said:
I'm tired of explaining this to people so this will be very brief....
I guess because I didn't go to renewable resources university, I can't understand which fantasy better.
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OrgoneConclusion said:
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Icelander said:
This is the discussion forum, not the action forum.
In this way he can maintain his false self-image of superiority and righteous indignation without actually having to do a fucking thing. It's a personal win-win.
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Icelander said:
Oh sorry, they all look alike to me.
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Icelander said:
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LightShedder said:
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Icelander said:
I see you still choose to ignore my question even when reposted at your request.
If you're asking how we plan to feed 50 billion people I say....
It's not like im claiming that if 50 billion people were thrown onto the planet tomorrow that we'd be able to feed them before they all get a chance to watch American gladiators... Rather, if we harnessed our potential collectively as a species (which involves reproduction and selective teachings to younger generations, not genocide) we would be prepared by the time we reach that population.
How?
Threres endless possibilities I won't elaborate on right now (maybe later) ranging from things as simple as resourceful farming/efficient living habits to realistic space exploration/inhabitation.
It's possible, it takes faith and action of a radical degree, yes.
Once again you completely skipped the question I reposted for you. Go figure.
Let me help you by yelling. IN ALL OF HUMAN HISTORY HAS THERE EVER BEEN ANY MAJOR EVIDENCE THAT HUMANS ARE GOING TO BE WILLING TO PRACTICE EQUALITY AND EQUALLY SHARE RESOURCES?
ALL of these things (mainly by you) were said to me before I ONCE responded back with anything disrespectful.
So I went at least the first 2 pages with u guys being rude without even responding.
And I'm the disrespectful one. This is the logic you guys use to determine that saving condoms will save the planet. Brilliant!
And most of them were said to other posters by me if you check.
Get over it. I never flamed you one time. This kind of whining makes a poster look weak and self-important imo. Keep it up and see how much sympathy and support it gets you here.
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― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: Icelander]
#15040049 - 09/06/11 07:56 PM (8 months, 18 days ago) |
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ban male and female interaction
Edited by giza (09/06/11 07:56 PM)
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: giza]
#15041645 - 09/07/11 07:46 AM (8 months, 18 days ago) |
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ban male and female interaction
Having a little trouble getting laid, are we?
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: zappaisgod]
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― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: Icelander]
#15042250 - 09/07/11 10:19 AM (8 months, 17 days ago) |
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I saw that in the other forum. Mark Steyn is no stranger to me.
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