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 OrgoneConclusion
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 How should the population be corrected? 
#15021710 - 09/03/11 08:07 AM (8 months, 22 days ago) |
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1. International viral epidemic?
2. Global starvation?
3. World War III?
Those are about the only real options. Unless we voluntarily control our breeding, it will be involuntarily controlled through horrific means; though not nearly as horrific as wearing a condom.
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Zanthius
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Quote:
OrgoneConclusion said:
1. International viral epidemic?
2. Global starvation?
3. World War III?
I might start to develop a virus that makes women infertile by converting cholesterol to progesterone ( the hormone used in birth control pills ). It would however be preferable if people realized themselves that they should stop to procreate like a cancer tumor in the biosphere. Overpopulation is also not the only issue. The human population increased by about 300% during the 20th century. This might seem like a lot, but the amount of energy consumed by humanity increased by about 1000% during the 20th century, and the gross world product increased by about 4000% during the 20th century. So most of the increased pressure on the biosphere actually comes from economic growth in the rich countries, rather than from population growth in the poor countries.
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 Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: Zanthius]
#15021763 - 09/03/11 08:31 AM (8 months, 22 days ago) |
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The problem with birth control pills is it can negatively effect female mood. Are you sure we need more of that?
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: Icelander]
#15021769 - 09/03/11 08:34 AM (8 months, 22 days ago) |
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That is another option. Make men and women be repulsed by one another. Of course, alcohol would still remedy that in the short term.
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In my last ex she said they made her all emo and girly.
Her words. She hated it..
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: Icelander]
#15021776 - 09/03/11 08:35 AM (8 months, 22 days ago) |
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Let's discontinue medical science.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: Grapefruit]
#15021779 - 09/03/11 08:36 AM (8 months, 22 days ago) |
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That will backfire. Currently docs are killing their patients in record numbers. 
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: Icelander]
#15021782 - 09/03/11 08:37 AM (8 months, 22 days ago) |
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: Icelander]
#15021800 - 09/03/11 08:41 AM (8 months, 22 days ago) |
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The problem with birth control pills is it can negatively effect female mood. Are you sure we need more of that?
Could make a virus that produces both progesterone ( infertility ) and serotonin ( emotional stability )....
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: Grapefruit]
#15021810 - 09/03/11 08:43 AM (8 months, 22 days ago) |
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Reinstate forced sterilization for all people determined by the state to be defective and not worthy of reproduction. Just like the good old days.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: Zanthius]
#15021836 - 09/03/11 08:49 AM (8 months, 22 days ago) |
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Zanthius said:
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Icelander said:
The problem with birth control pills is it can negatively effect female mood. Are you sure we need more of that?
Could make a virus that produces both progesterone ( infertility ) and serotonin ( emotional stability )....
Get on it. Let me know.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: Zanthius] 1
#15021863 - 09/03/11 08:56 AM (8 months, 22 days ago) |
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Open you're eyes.
Human Population isn't the problem. I'm tired of explaining this to people so this will be very brief....
When every american has 100x the ecological footprint as 1 bangledeshi, then you can't say that the number has a significant impact. It's obviously lifestyle.
(let's just say for sake of convo)
100 x bangledeshi lifestyle = 100 imprints
100 x American lifestyle = 10,000 imprints
Change the way you live and quit cursing the beautiful act of creation. It's the cursed way everyone's minds think, with those exact bad thoughts that need to be resolved.
"oh I'll just poison everyone and make the women infertile."
"oh well just take out 500,000 low-impact iraqis"
No, fuck that.
If you researched the numbers of people, the the arable land available, the technology available, the POTENTIAL technology we could harness, things could be going in the complete opposite direction, if we would redirect our energies towards expansion and progression- simple shit really. Not quite as simple as "oh we just need to wear condoms and never reproduce?!?!?"
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: Icelander]
#15021864 - 09/03/11 08:56 AM (8 months, 22 days ago) |
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For all the people who want to "correct" the population I have two words. You first.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: zappaisgod]
#15021899 - 09/03/11 09:04 AM (8 months, 22 days ago) |
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Yaaaaaaaaaaay!
Thank you! You just saved me from typing my previous post out ever again in my life. That's a simple clever response.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: LightShedder]
#15021905 - 09/03/11 09:05 AM (8 months, 22 days ago) |
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When every american has 100x the ecological footprint as 1 bangledeshi, then you can't say that the number has a significant impact. It's obviously lifestyle.
Sure. The economy grew with 4000% during the 20th century, while the population only grew with 300%. So a larger footprint obviously comes from economic growth in rich countries, rather than from population growth in poor countries. But who do you think is going to suffer first when the global oil production starts to fall? The poor countries of course, because they cannot afford higher oil prices. Then the agricultural machinery is going to stop in the poor countries, and billions of poor people are going to starve to death. Personally I think a birth control virus is much more humane than letting billions of people starve to death, but that is just me...
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: Zanthius]
#15021933 - 09/03/11 09:11 AM (8 months, 22 days ago) |
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I have reason to believe water, or a lack of potable water that is, will become the greatest thinning out factor in the coming years or decades.
Maybe. I'm no scientist.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: Zanthius]
#15021952 - 09/03/11 09:16 AM (8 months, 22 days ago) |
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You're missing my point. I emphasized lifestyle. That includes industrial revolution era lifestyles. How did large cities feed themselves before the incorporating of fossil fuels into technology?
Think about this...
We could have 30 billion humans living like bangledeshi spread out around the planet and they would only use as much energy as the country of the US currently does with 300 million. That would be the entire global energy consumption. If we equipped renewable zero-impact energy measures then we count continue with intellectual/technological/spiritual progression.
It's easy to feed yourself and 10 other people the entire time your living if your really motivated.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: LayinUp]
#15021968 - 09/03/11 09:19 AM (8 months, 22 days ago) |
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I have reason to believe water, or a lack of potable water that is, will become the greatest thinning out factor in the coming years or decades.
Maybe. I'm no scientist.
Self reclamation/purification of rainwater is very simple and can be done with no impact on the earth if you're resourceful.
So long as the cycle of precipitation occurs, were not likely to run out of drinking/irrigation water.
I bet we could find an efficient method for purifying ocean water to the quality of potable.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: LightShedder]
#15021980 - 09/03/11 09:23 AM (8 months, 22 days ago) |
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LightShedder said:
You're missing my point. I emphasized lifestyle. That includes industrial revolution era lifestyles. How did large cities feed themselves before the incorporating of fossil fuels into technology?
Think about this...
We could have 30 billion humans living like bangledeshi spread out around the planet and they would only use as much energy as the country of the US currently does with 300 million. That would be the entire global energy consumption. If we equipped renewable zero-impact energy measures then we count continue with intellectual/technological/spiritual progression.
It's easy to feed yourself and 10 other people the entire time your living if your really motivated.
I'm currently going to school for renewable energy and I can attest that the earth can support a body load of upwards of 50billion people if the already known simple, cheap, and renewable energy technologies that exist were employed.
The whole oil establishment is what's preventing this though. But even the oil companies aren't to blame - directly. After all, what are oil (or any) companies after? Profit. Money.
This money system will be our (minus myself) ultimate undoing.
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Re: How should the population be corrected? [Re: LayinUp]
#15022014 - 09/03/11 09:31 AM (8 months, 22 days ago) |
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LayinUp said:
I have reason to believe water, or a lack of potable water that is, will become the greatest thinning out factor in the coming years or decades.
Maybe. I'm no scientist.
I bought stock in water infrastructure!
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