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 A Psychedelic Society 
#15002622 - 08/30/11 06:09 PM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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How much better off do you think we would be if society embraced responsible use of psychedelics?
edit: I'm not talking about a sudden embrace of psychedelics into our society, I mean a fictional reality in which it would be the norm to trip once few months or so in our society as it would to the other nations.
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mongo lloyd
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Re: A Psychedelic Society [Re: Devlish2]
#15002636 - 08/30/11 06:11 PM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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More reasonable towards foreign concepts. I don't think everyone will become enlightened and turn into peace loving hippies.
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Re: A Psychedelic Society [Re: Devlish2]
#15002643 - 08/30/11 06:13 PM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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I don't think most people are ready for psychedelics.
A single worldwide dose of MDMA on the other hand.. World peace?
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Midnight_Toker said:
I don't think most people are ready for psychedelics.
I believe that is simply because they have been brainwashed ever since they were a child and taught to see psychedelics in a negative light.
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Bodhi of Ankou
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Re: A Psychedelic Society [Re: Devlish2]
#15002739 - 08/30/11 06:35 PM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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and you want to brainwash them into seeing them in a blindingly positive light, you are no better... 
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Re: A Psychedelic Society [Re: Devlish2]
#15002749 - 08/30/11 06:37 PM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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It would be harder to govern that's for sure. We'd be like wild animals but with technology.
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Re: A Psychedelic Society [Re: Devlish2]
#15002755 - 08/30/11 06:39 PM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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Devlish2 said:
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Midnight_Toker said:
I don't think most people are ready for psychedelics.
I believe that is simply because they have been brainwashed ever since they were a child and taught to see psychedelics in a negative light.
that might be part of it, but most of it has to do with the reality that most capitalist societies have a deep and neurotic obsession with EGO. we love our egos to the point that we worship them above all else.
psychedelics often make for horrible workers (in a capitalist society submission to authority is a given; whether it be your boss or a cop).
humans who exercise their ability to think freely would not make for good slaves to the current system we live beneath.
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Well it was Terrance McKenna's theory that we all used to live in a perfect equilibrium when we first moved into the grass lands and regularly consumed psilocybin mushrooms. There was a repression of male dominance and boundaries were dissolved between people. Maybe there's a yearning anxiety in modern society to return once more to this perfect equilibrium and no matter what we do we cant return to it. This may be why we addict ourselves to so many things such as material goods. We are always wanting the next big thing nothing satisfies us because there will always be a longing to be back with the one, to be at peace again. Who knows Terrance always had a lot of wacky ideas but they somehow always made sense and were fun to ponder.
IMO we have chosen the completely wrong drugs for society. Alcohol will be the destruction of mankind and yes I do believe if we were to change the drugs of choice in society we would live in a much better world.
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What a load of yuppie bull. You got anything to back that claim up besides Terrence mckennas ramblings? |you put far to much value on hallucinating.
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Re: A Psychedelic Society [Re: Devlish2]
#15002862 - 08/30/11 07:02 PM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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Devlish2 said:
How much better off do you think we would be if society embraced responsible use of psychedelics?
it's hard to say because psychedelics don't do all the work for you. there are many people who have bad experiences and never touch them again. i don't think just allowing psychedelics to be legal will necessarily change things. our society has to become more honest in general to start seeing real changes. i think this is gradually happening already. with the rise of technology and spread of information, people are being forced to be more intellectually honest. the problem is that the majority of society keeps uncomfortable truths shielded from them by their own ignorance and fear of the unknown. psychedelics do help one overcome the obstacles of fear and dishonesty but we all need to be on the same page to see progress.
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gerryjarcia said:
humans who exercise their ability to think freely would not make for good slaves to the current system we live beneath.
True, but...
I'm not talking about our system, I'm talking about an imaginary society which embraced psychedelics all throughout the ages.
I'm sure it would be less of a mask wearing, greed driven atrocity.
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Re: A Psychedelic Society [Re: Devlish2]
#15002874 - 08/30/11 07:05 PM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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Devlish2 said:
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gerryjarcia said:
humans who exercise their ability to think freely would not make for good slaves to the current system we live beneath.
True, but...
I'm not talking about our system, I'm talking about an imaginary society which embraced psychedelics all throughout the ages.
I'm sure it would be less of a mask wearing, greed driven atrocity.
oh. well in that case we'd be a lot better off.
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Bodhi of Ankou said:
What a load of yuppie bull. You got anything to back that claim up besides Terrence mckennas ramblings? |you put far to much value on hallucinating.
There is a lot more to the experience than hallucinating but then again I'm sure you know that.
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BlindSophist
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gerryjarcia said:that might be part of it, but most of it has to do with the reality that most capitalist societies have a deep and neurotic obsession with EGO. we love our egos to the point that we worship them above all else.
psychedelics often make for horrible workers (in a capitalist society submission to authority is a given; whether it be your boss or a cop).
humans who exercise their ability to think freely would not make for good slaves to the current system we live beneath.
This, IMO. Broad acceptance of psychedelics and laissez-faire oligarchy are simply incompatible. The panic in the sixties wasn't entirely irrational; too rapid an embrace of psychedelics would cause societal collapse under current circumstances (IMO).
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So you guys don't believe it's possible to sustain a civilization in which the majority partake in psychedelics once in a blue moon?
I'm curious as to how it would function and how it would affect our lives.
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Re: A Psychedelic Society [Re: Devlish2]
#15002974 - 08/30/11 07:28 PM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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there'd be a lot of people that would be like this...
"I CAN'T FUCKING FOCUS I'M TRIPPING~~!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
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Re: A Psychedelic Society [Re: stimpson]
#15002980 - 08/30/11 07:30 PM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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Yeah, if everyone was tripping 24/7 it would be an epic mess.
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Bodhi of Ankou said:
What a load of yuppie bull. You got anything to back that claim up besides Terrence mckennas ramblings? |you put far to much value on hallucinating.
Ok first of all psychedelics do not just make you hallucinate they dissolve boundaries. Today's society is built up out of boundaries and dominance hierarchies. Psychedelics have the medicating effect to stop male dominance hierarchies from arising. So it is not that hard of an idea to believe that we could have all lived in perfect equilibrium when we first moved into the grasslands and were forced to ingest psychoactive mushrooms because of dietary pressure. Like I said its just one of Terrance McKenna's crazy theory's I never claimed it to be truth.
Edited by liberty hunter (08/30/11 07:37 PM)
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