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 The Whale
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 Re: Charles Manson: as a prophet and a shaman [Re: Icelander]
#14996614 - 08/29/11 12:24 PM (8 months, 27 days ago) |
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Manson was a crazy murderer. I'm convinced now. You guys have changed my life around. Thanks for pointing out my delusions. I'll stick to Osho and Krishnamurti. Their smile is more convincing.
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Re: Charles Manson: as a prophet and a shaman [Re: The Whale]
#14996684 - 08/29/11 12:37 PM (8 months, 27 days ago) |
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Nobody is perfect.
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Icelander
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Re: Charles Manson: as a prophet and a shaman [Re: The Whale]
#14996819 - 08/29/11 12:56 PM (8 months, 27 days ago) |
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The Whale said:
Manson was a crazy murderer. I'm convinced now. You guys have changed my life around. Thanks for pointing out my delusions. I'll stick to Osho and Krishnamurti. Their smile is more convincing.
Well at least you would be less likely to be murdered.
And relax about all this. Many of the things he said are truth imo. Stick to the words and forget who said them.
In fact I'm going to start a thread about this.
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Re: Charles Manson: as a prophet and a shaman [Re: Icelander]
#14996836 - 08/29/11 12:58 PM (8 months, 27 days ago) |
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Icelander said:
Stick to the words and forget who said them.
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Re: Charles Manson: as a prophet and a shaman [Re: Poid]
#14997154 - 08/29/11 01:53 PM (8 months, 26 days ago) |
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Manson was as serious as this post.
Very, very serious! Because of course it all matters.
Show me the truth, show me the light.
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Re: Charles Manson: as a prophet and a shaman [Re: The Whale]
#14997198 - 08/29/11 02:00 PM (8 months, 26 days ago) |
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The Whale said:
Manson was a crazy murderer. I'm convinced now. You guys have changed my life around. Thanks for pointing out my delusions. I'll stick to Osho and Krishnamurti. Their smile is more convincing.
Was that sarcasm?
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Icelander
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Re: Charles Manson: as a prophet and a shaman [Re: matukuul]
#14997275 - 08/29/11 02:16 PM (8 months, 26 days ago) |
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It was butt hurt.
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― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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Re: Charles Manson: as a prophet and a shaman [Re: The Whale]
#14997428 - 08/29/11 02:41 PM (8 months, 26 days ago) |
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The Whale said:
Manson was as serious as this post.
Very, very serious! Because of course it all matters.
Show me the truth, show me the light.
it's a little weird to be obsessed with somebody like charles manson...uhhh he is obviously fucked in the head. He got what was coming to him. That doesn't mean our society is good for how it treated him. But all the same it was his own karma working itself out...his own very very fucked up karma
i think this image explains his situation quite well..
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Re: Charles Manson: as a prophet and a shaman [Re: The Whale]
#14997505 - 08/29/11 02:56 PM (8 months, 26 days ago) |
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Whale, I promise you. When you're out of high school and experience more life, you will not see Manson in such a positive light. Yes, some of the things he says are true. But that does not make him a good person to look up to.
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Re: Charles Manson: as a prophet and a shaman [Re: Learyfan]
#14997545 - 08/29/11 03:07 PM (8 months, 26 days ago) |
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Wait, you really look up to him?
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Who looks outside dreams; who looks inside awakens."
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Icelander
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Re: Charles Manson: as a prophet and a shaman [Re: Learyfan]
#14997548 - 08/29/11 03:07 PM (8 months, 26 days ago) |
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I say, play it safe and only look up to Icelander.
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"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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Re: Charles Manson: as a prophet and a shaman [Re: Poid]
#14997602 - 08/29/11 03:18 PM (8 months, 26 days ago) |
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Poid said:
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Icelander said:
Stick to the words and forget who said them.
Who said it plays equal if not a greater part in the meaning of what someone says than the words on definition alone.
It's like saying "take everything out of context and make your own meanings"
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Re: Charles Manson: as a prophet and a shaman [Re: Icelander] 1
#14997619 - 08/29/11 03:22 PM (8 months, 26 days ago) |
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Icelander said:
It was butt hurt.
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Re: Charles Manson: as a prophet and a shaman [Re: airclay]
#14997978 - 08/29/11 04:34 PM (8 months, 26 days ago) |
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airclay said:
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Poid said:
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Icelander said:
Stick to the words and forget who said them.
Who said it plays equal if not a greater part in the meaning of what someone says than the words on definition alone.
It's like saying "take everything out of context and make your own meanings"
What you just said makes no sense to me? Could you rephrase?
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“What is the ideal for mental health, then? A lived, compelling illusion that does not lie about life, death, and reality; one honest enough to follow its own commandments: I mean, not to kill, not to take the lives of others to justify itself.”
― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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airclay
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Re: Charles Manson: as a prophet and a shaman [Re: Icelander]
#14998163 - 08/29/11 05:10 PM (8 months, 26 days ago) |
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The person speaking the words puts the meaning to what they are saying. With out taking into account who is speaking (background, ideas, beliefs), you're just taking the context away. It's an arrangement of words where you're putting a blindfold on and playing pin the tail on the definition.
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Re: Charles Manson: as a prophet and a shaman [Re: airclay]
#14998218 - 08/29/11 05:21 PM (8 months, 26 days ago) |
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Even with all the context in the world you still have to rely on your own personal understanding. Which amazingly enough is the same source of understanding as with any amount of context.
You might know that the context is that the speaker is a killer. But unless you've killed before, what does that context even represent? It represents whatever you as an individual deem it to represent. May as well represent nothing because it can represent anything.
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Re: Charles Manson: as a prophet and a shaman [Re: Kickle]
#14998364 - 08/29/11 05:46 PM (8 months, 26 days ago) |
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Sort of true. But I would like to use all information available to decide for myself what the context represents. I don't trust opinions/ideas based on half the evidence (the lesser half, being the meaning of a quote on word definition alone). Basically it allows for a larger set of tools when trying to sort truth from bullshit.
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Re: Charles Manson: as a prophet and a shaman [Re: airclay]
#14998384 - 08/29/11 05:50 PM (8 months, 26 days ago) |
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there is no truth and no bullshit because we will never have all the evidence and the evidence itself is always biased by our interpretations as well as what is selected as evidence in the first place. Just my opinion. Although there is evidence that suggests humans have very selective attention 
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Re: Charles Manson: as a prophet and a shaman [Re: Kickle]
#14998417 - 08/29/11 05:54 PM (8 months, 26 days ago) |
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Learyfan said:
Whale, I promise you. When you're out of high school and experience more life, you will not see Manson in such a positive light. Yes, some of the things he says are true. But that does not make him a good person to look up to.
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Kickle said:
Even with all the context in the world you still have to rely on your own personal understanding. Which amazingly enough is the same source of understanding as with any amount of context.
You might know that the context is that the speaker is a killer. But unless you've killed before, what does that context even represent? It represents whatever you as an individual deem it to represent. May as well represent nothing because it can represent anything.
Well, if he's telling you all about what a peaceful guy he is, then it tells you he's a liar.
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Re: Charles Manson: as a prophet and a shaman [Re: blewmeanie]
#14998500 - 08/29/11 06:07 PM (8 months, 26 days ago) |
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"The war to end all wars"
I think anyone who tells me they're peaceful is a liar so it really doesnt tell me personally much.
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