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is that a twin peaks reference? 
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Re: Charles Manson: as a prophet and a shaman [Re: deff]
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i'd never heard of that before, but david lynch is the business so I should have
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Re: Charles Manson: as a prophet and a shaman [Re: deff]
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Best TV series ever imo.
Have you seen the movie Fire Walk With Me? It wraps it up and is fuckin tripped out imo.
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Re: Charles Manson: as a prophet and a shaman [Re: Icelander]
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yeah twin peaks was tha shit... i've got the whole tv series on DVD 
saw fire walk with me too though it was a while ago and i forget what it was like
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Re: Charles Manson: as a prophet and a shaman [Re: The Whale] 1
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Let me see if I understand you correctly:
Terence McKenna, a highly charismatic and charming intellectual, gradually turned into a psychotic and influential leader of a group of weak-minded young people. He was schizophrenic and believed one could communicate to spirits and learn about the future by taking drugs.
Where is your source that Mckenna was a schizophrenic?
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#15914644 - 03/07/12 03:00 PM (2 months, 21 days ago) |
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He dosed people with LSD and brain-washed them, huh?
In fact, he did, just like the CIA did with hapless men in their MK-ULTRA experiments. I just finished reading this book yesterday: http://www.amazon.com/Long-Prison-Journey-Leslie-Houten/dp/1555534813
I liked Susan Atkins' book, Child of Satan, Child of God, much more, but it clear that Charlie suffered from all manner of psychological and physical abuse, and was already from a young age, irreparably damaged. Read Charlie's own account of childhood sexual and emotional abuse: http://www.amazon.com/Manson-His-Own-Words-Confessions/dp/0802130240/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1331160317&sr=1-1
I see an understandable cynicism that unfortunately morphs into his paranoia, delusions of grandeur and concomitant hatred of society. Of his megalomaniacal Messianic-Demonic delusion, all he said on interview was something like 'we all just pretended a little too much back then' (paraphrased). His resentment and envy of celebrities (and Jews), coupled with the fear-based hatred of Blacks, took him to the heights of paranoia which resulted in his conspiracy to commit murder. The delusional story, drawing on mythic themes using then-contemporary material (like The Beatles' White Album), is fascinating from a social science perspective, but there is nothing "honest" about this particular Antisocial Personality. Elders like myself and Icelander might remember the days of The Beatles' White Album, the televised landing on the moon, followed by Woodstock a month later, but all of the positive was punctuated by the Tate-LaBianca murders, and The Family of Charles Manson.
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but all of the positive was punctuated by the Tate-LaBianca murders, and The Family of Charles Manson.
I like how you used the word punctuated in that anecdote. It made me think of the little bit of Yin that's always gonna be in the Yang.
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Re: Charles Manson: as a prophet and a shaman [Re: yeah]
#15916643 - 03/07/12 08:54 PM (2 months, 21 days ago) |
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yeah said:
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MarkostheGnostic said:
but all of the positive was punctuated by the Tate-LaBianca murders, and The Family of Charles Manson.
I like how you used the word punctuated in that anecdote. It made me think of the little bit of Yin that's always gonna be in the Yang.
Meanwhile, I was thinking 'punctured,' as in all the knife victims.
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woosh
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Quote:
CreativeCatalysts said:
Let me see if I understand you correctly:
Terence McKenna, a highly charismatic and charming intellectual, gradually turned into a psychotic and influential leader of a group of weak-minded young people. He was schizophrenic and believed one could communicate to spirits and learn about the future by taking drugs.
Where is your source that Mckenna was a schizophrenic?
You resurrected a thread from several months ago. I've always curious how this happens spontaneously (e.g. how the user browses older threads - by keywords, by member posts, etc.).
To answer your question, TM was extremely critical of the term schizophrenia, and was careful to note its application to any behavior that is deemed socially distorted according to the prevailing mythos of the culture. He has been recorded several times (check Youtube) linking the Western interpretation of shamanism as a type of 'schizophrenia' misnomer. The "Anti-Psychiatry" movement that took off in the 70s has also commented on the misunderstanding of mental illnesses.
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Re: Charles Manson: as a prophet and a shaman [Re: oojijimoo]
#15918319 - 03/08/12 07:06 AM (2 months, 21 days ago) |
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woosh
as in something went over someone's head?
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Re: Charles Manson: as a prophet and a shaman [Re: yeah]
#15918376 - 03/08/12 07:24 AM (2 months, 21 days ago) |
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The fact you are confused about Whoosh is a meta-whoosh. How far down the rabbit hole are we going?
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MarkostheGnostic said:
He dosed people with LSD and brain-washed them, huh?
In fact, he did, just like the CIA did with hapless men in their MK-ULTRA experiments. I just finished reading this book yesterday: http://www.amazon.com/Long-Prison-Journey-Leslie-Houten/dp/1555534813
I liked Susan Atkins' book, Child of Satan, Child of God, much more, but it clear that Charlie suffered from all manner of psychological and physical abuse, and was already from a young age, irreparably damaged. Read Charlie's own account of childhood sexual and emotional abuse: http://www.amazon.com/Manson-His-Own-Words-Confessions/dp/0802130240/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1331160317&sr=1-1
I see an understandable cynicism that unfortunately morphs into his paranoia, delusions of grandeur and concomitant hatred of society. Of his megalomaniacal Messianic-Demonic delusion, all he said on interview was something like 'we all just pretended a little too much back then' (paraphrased). His resentment and envy of celebrities (and Jews), coupled with the fear-based hatred of Blacks, took him to the heights of paranoia which resulted in his conspiracy to commit murder. The delusional story, drawing on mythic themes using then-contemporary material (like The Beatles' White Album), is fascinating from a social science perspective, but there is nothing "honest" about this particular Antisocial Personality. Elders like myself and Icelander might remember the days of The Beatles' White Album, the televised landing on the moon, followed by Woodstock a month later, but all of the positive was punctuated by the Tate-LaBianca murders, and The Family of Charles Manson.
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Re: Charles Manson: as a prophet and a shaman [Re: Jessica Swift]
#15918737 - 03/08/12 09:12 AM (2 months, 21 days ago) |
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Yes I've listened to his lecture about Shamanism vs. Schizophrenia, I was just wondering if he had actually been diagnosed or not (I am pretty sure he was not).
And to answer your question I clicked on the link or this thread and for some reason it took me to page 3 of this thread and I just started reading there!
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Re: Charles Manson: as a prophet and a shaman [Re: Jessica Swift]
#15921299 - 03/08/12 05:45 PM (2 months, 20 days ago) |
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The fact you are confused about Whoosh is a meta-whoosh. How far down the rabbit hole are we going?
idk
seemed random so I had to ask
we can just stop right there I guess
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Re: Charles Manson: as a prophet and a shaman [Re: yeah]
#15924404 - 03/09/12 11:38 AM (2 months, 20 days ago) |
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I've been fascinated by CM for many years. Even before the internet i had the Lie album and i think he's a very talented musician. Also family jams is an awesome album. I've watched almost every interview and docu about him and although i agree with most of his philosophy i also think he has a very evil side to him. All you people here who think he's a saint or a prophet are idiots.
What if it was your family in the Tate or La Bianca house. Fact is those people were in their homes minding their own business when a group of psychos broke in and slaughtered them. Even if what CM says is true and that he had nothing to do with it, he did nothing to try to stop them while he knew what was going to happen. He also went in the houses after the killings to erace the traces. And he talks very disrespectfull about the people that got killed saying they basically deserved it and that if he was there it would have been a lot worse and that they stopped the Vietnam war and all this bullshit.
Also he says he never lies but i remember him contradicting himself a few times. And from what i read even Squeeky and Fromme turned their backs on him.
What i also noticed is that before the killings he never talked about atwa or saving the wales etc. There were people with worse childhood than him and they turned out alright so thats no excuse. Still an interresting dude.
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Re: Charles Manson: as a prophet and a shaman [Re: redrocket]
#15924667 - 03/09/12 12:29 PM (2 months, 19 days ago) |
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Who had a worse childhood and turned out alright?
And how do you really know what his childhood was like?
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Re: Charles Manson: as a prophet and a shaman [Re: Icelander]
#15925108 - 03/09/12 02:13 PM (2 months, 19 days ago) |
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Icelander said:
Who had a worse childhood and turned out alright?
And how do you really know what his childhood was like?
I have a friend who has three children. When the youngest was 4, my friend with to China with the child. During that trip, the child was kidnapped. Despite the mother's best efforts, She did not find the child.
Fast forward about 12 years...She returns to China. On the street, she is accosted by a begger with no legs and one arm. The beggar is unable to speak but is making a lot of noise. Eventually, she realizes that it is her son who was kidnapped 12 years earlier.
After some time, she, along with the police, are able to piece together what happened.
The kidnappers cut off the kids legs and arm with a saw because it would make the kid more pitiful and more able to get money from tourists. The kid was made to drink acid so that he could not speak to authorities.
THAT GUY had a worse childhood than Manson...I don't need to know what Manson's childhood was like to know this to be true.
Now, at age 26 or so, the guy just got his BA and is working as a CAD draftsman.
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Re: Charles Manson: as a prophet and a shaman [Re: Enlil]
#15925810 - 03/09/12 04:57 PM (2 months, 19 days ago) |
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Pics or it didn't happen dude.
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Re: Charles Manson: as a prophet and a shaman [Re: Icelander]
#15926161 - 03/09/12 06:08 PM (2 months, 19 days ago) |
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Pics or it didn't happen dude.
Then you'll just have to disbelieve. I don't post pictures of people I know for the amusement of random strangers.
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