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#14981381 - 08/26/11 09:55 AM (8 months, 30 days ago) |
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What happened to your common sense?
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Re: I don't know if I am enlightened or not. [Re: Poid]
#14981383 - 08/26/11 09:55 AM (8 months, 30 days ago) |
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What is common sense?
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Re: I don't know if I am enlightened or not. [Re: xFrockx]
#14981388 - 08/26/11 09:56 AM (8 months, 30 days ago) |
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Quote:
xFrockx said:
So why do you keep telling me "subjectively" like it is an answer?
It's all I'm capable of.
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Re: I don't know if I am enlightened or not. [Re: Icelander]
#14981394 - 08/26/11 09:58 AM (8 months, 30 days ago) |
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Is telling me a word I don't understand and that you apparently cannot explain the best you can do?
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Re: I don't know if I am enlightened or not. [Re: xFrockx]
#14981395 - 08/26/11 09:58 AM (8 months, 30 days ago) |
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What is common sense?
Frock is practicing his socratic dialog or what ever that is. I have refrained from reading any of it for this reason alone.
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“What is the ideal for mental health, then? A lived, compelling illusion that does not lie about life, death, and reality; one honest enough to follow its own commandments: I mean, not to kill, not to take the lives of others to justify itself.”
― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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Re: I don't know if I am enlightened or not. [Re: Icelander]
#14981398 - 08/26/11 09:58 AM (8 months, 30 days ago) |
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I'm not doing jack shit when it comes to imitation. I don't know what the fuck common sense is.
Can you tell me what common sense is?
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Re: I don't know if I am enlightened or not. [Re: xFrockx]
#14981404 - 08/26/11 10:00 AM (8 months, 30 days ago) |
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What questions have I asked that are dumb? What is a dumb question?
Whether or not your are enlightened. Not trying to be mean, but enlightenment is understanding. I'm fairly certain the Buddah did not have to ask other Tibetans whether or not he was enlightened. That doesn't mean you should stop trying, though.
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Re: I don't know if I am enlightened or not. [Re: xFrockx]
#14981408 - 08/26/11 10:01 AM (8 months, 30 days ago) |
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Common sense dictates that you look something up if you're interested in knowing what it is.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_sense
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Re: I don't know if I am enlightened or not. [Re: Toltecatl]
#14981415 - 08/26/11 10:02 AM (8 months, 30 days ago) |
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Which buddha?
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Re: I don't know if I am enlightened or not. [Re: xFrockx]
#14981417 - 08/26/11 10:02 AM (8 months, 30 days ago) |
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I'm not doing jack shit
That seems to be the case.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_sense
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“What is the ideal for mental health, then? A lived, compelling illusion that does not lie about life, death, and reality; one honest enough to follow its own commandments: I mean, not to kill, not to take the lives of others to justify itself.”
― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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Re: I don't know if I am enlightened or not. [Re: Poid]
#14981422 - 08/26/11 10:04 AM (8 months, 30 days ago) |
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Poid I have a BA in philosophy and I don't know what common sense is. I've read Common Sense and I don't know what it is. So if you think a wikipedia article is going to inform me on the subject, please, please, do some reading and critical thinking yourself and think about how much you know what common sense is, if you want to.
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Re: I don't know if I am enlightened or not. [Re: Icelander]
#14981426 - 08/26/11 10:04 AM (8 months, 30 days ago) |
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I love how you assume I have not read about common sense or heard many opinions on what it is. I still don't know what it is. Do you?
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Re: I don't know if I am enlightened or not. [Re: xFrockx]
#14981454 - 08/26/11 10:09 AM (8 months, 30 days ago) |
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All the "What is ____?" questions are lame, haha. What do you want a definition? So you can ask what that definition is as well? Words upon words that are supposed to somehow represent or be tied to reality or what we are experiencing, which is all there is outside of our mental conceptions and thoughts, and it just is as it is lol
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Re: I don't know if I am enlightened or not. [Re: xFrockx]
#14981458 - 08/26/11 10:10 AM (8 months, 30 days ago) |
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So if you think a wikipedia article is going to inform me on the subject...
Yes, I do think a Wikipedia article is going to inform you on the concept because it's not ultra-complicated..you don't need to read a whole book on the concept to understand what it is, it can be explained very easily in just a few short words.
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Re: I don't know if I am enlightened or not. [Re: Hiro]
#14981467 - 08/26/11 10:12 AM (8 months, 30 days ago) |
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Why are they lame? What is lame?
I don't know what I'm looking for, but if someone's going to tell me something, I'm going to try to understand it. The questions are my attempt to understand. I have thought about these things and the more I do the less I feel I understand, so I keep asking, in the hope that maybe someday I will. I do listen, and I try to remember the way people explain these things. I see every exchange as something that can teach me something.
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Re: I don't know if I am enlightened or not. [Re: Poid]
#14981473 - 08/26/11 10:13 AM (8 months, 30 days ago) |
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Ok then, so tell me one thing that you know because of common sense.
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Re: I don't know if I am enlightened or not. [Re: xFrockx]
#14981496 - 08/26/11 10:17 AM (8 months, 30 days ago) |
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I should avoid touching hot stoves.
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Re: I don't know if I am enlightened or not. [Re: Poid]
#14981504 - 08/26/11 10:19 AM (8 months, 30 days ago) |
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And did common sense teach you that, or did touching hot things teach you that? Or did your parent telling you not to teach it to you?
If common sense did it, I am really at a wonder as to how. Can you explain?
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Re: I don't know if I am enlightened or not. [Re: xFrockx]
#14981517 - 08/26/11 10:22 AM (8 months, 30 days ago) |
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What do you mean "did common sense teach you that"? I learned that when I realized that touching hot things will result in a painful sensation..this knowledge itself is common sense.
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Re: I don't know if I am enlightened or not. [Re: Poid]
#14981531 - 08/26/11 10:26 AM (8 months, 30 days ago) |
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I asked you to tell me one thing you know because of common sense. You told me touching a hot stove.
Now you're telling me you know not to touch hot things because of the pain from it.
So which is it? Did common sense teach you it or did pain teach you it?
Also, you claim that the knowledge of touching hot things is a painful sensation is common sense. Does that mean that everyone knows this? I can tell you right now that it isn't true for many people, especially those with nerve or brain disorders. Do people with disabilities that stop them from knowing this lack common sense?
Are you still so sure common sense exists? Because I still don't know. I have never seen, heard, or felt common sense in action. I cannot deny that common sense exists here in this forum, but if you could help me to recognize it maybe I could believe you.
Edited by xFrockx (08/26/11 10:32 AM)
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