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 lolwut
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Feels  man
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To be an angel, you gotta earn your wings
To control your own, you gotta burn your strings
To hit blackjack, you gotta turn a king
But to live forever, all you gotta do is learn to sing
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deff
just relax
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The Chronic said:
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deff said:
true! but was there really a person to enlighten ever, even from the beginning? from the first bhumi onwards the wisdom of emptiness deepens dispelling very subtle obscurations, and the "bodhisattva" perfects certain abilities like concentration and meditative absorption. also their ability to help others increases dramatically. from the outside view of the bodhisattva, there are changes between the bhumis. also for the bodhisattva's own experience, their initial realization of emptiness of first bhumi is not complete despite being very profound, and there's a difference in their realization between meditation sessions and post-meditative sessions, whereas with a buddha there is never any difference in realization as their realization is complete.
I wish you'd talk about this stuff more, grades, levels etc are all surface appearances, everyone is already the Buddha, complete with no differences
both views are true i think
the bhumis are just a rough estimate of what occurs as one deepens the realization of their true nature, but their nature itself doesn't change with the stages
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 The Chronic
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 Re: I'm enlightened [Re: deff]
#14925078 - 08/15/11 09:01 AM (9 months, 10 days ago) |
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i just liked how you pointed out that a Buddhas realization is never different, that meditation makes no difference to his state, in my mind it really makes clear how perfect & unexcelled Nirvana is
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Sleepwalker
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Icelander, do you think being retired has had anything to do with you becoming less attached? 
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Icelander
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Well I was starting to become less attached and so I retired. I really only had money for maybe ten years with the lifestyle I have now. I knew something had to change because I was almost completely unhappy. I just wasn't sure what, how, or if I was up to it.
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― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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crkhd
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The Chronic said:
i just liked how you pointed out that a Buddhas realization is never different, that meditation makes no difference to his state, in my mind it really makes clear how perfect & unexcelled Nirvana is
But if you can "deepen your realization" of your true nature then that is a physical change. If there is a difference between one in nirvana and one not so, then there clearly must be something physically different.
Of course your true nature is indeed empty of all things, so how could it change? Yet I would consider a lot of people awake/enlightened but if you cut them, they will scream like a bitch. Unlike this guy:
Who is more "aware of their Buddha nature"?
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foliocb
Self-destruction...
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Re: I'm enlightened [Re: crkhd]
#14926265 - 08/15/11 01:06 PM (9 months, 10 days ago) |
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whos the author of the book you recommended?
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Icelander
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Re: I'm enlightened [Re: crkhd]
#14926269 - 08/15/11 01:07 PM (9 months, 10 days ago) |
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I would have liked to converse with him the day before this event. Obviously something very unusual was going on with this guy.
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“What is the ideal for mental health, then? A lived, compelling illusion that does not lie about life, death, and reality; one honest enough to follow its own commandments: I mean, not to kill, not to take the lives of others to justify itself.”
― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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foliocb
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I sometimes still feel that I am searching for something, a feeling, a tipping point, and other times I know that it's pointless and i'm just chasing my own tail. Sounds like Icelander finally 'felt' something after a long time, I am wondering if such a feeling exists for me as well. .
The closest i've gotten recently was being at the beach with some friends and just enjoying the day with no real plans in particular, we spent an hour digging in the sand and making a makeshift hot tub in the sand, but the entire time I knew it was pointless and the water would eventually get higher and the sand would return to normal: that was absolute purposelessness to me, enjoying everything in the moment and yet being fully aware that it was all for nothing in the end.
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 White Beard
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Re: I'm enlightened [Re: foliocb]
#14927447 - 08/15/11 05:20 PM (9 months, 9 days ago) |
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I think that's what fun is all about. Doing something for no other reason besides that it's fun.
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circastes
i did it for tha bliss
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You know Icelander many people live until they're 80, and there's no telling what medicine is going to achieve over the next 20 years. I wouldn't be getting too anxious yet. :P Just an aside.
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Find me in the backyard, sailing my kettle. Playing poker with insects, wearing a cup of tea. A hat of brimstone, yellow-crimson, looking like a giant flea. Forever my friend: so my energy this day I lend, I practice faking it to pretend, and become the actor in the end. My folly hangs on the trees like leaves and drips in the falling breeze, the tock of a minute here shakes me to my knees.
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LunarEclipse
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White Beard said:
I think that's what fun is all about. Doing something for no other reason besides that it's fun.
Well that and to fuck with people. Two birds with one stone.
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Sleepwalker
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circastes said:
You know Icelander many people live until they're 80, and there's no telling what medicine is going to achieve over the next 20 years. I wouldn't be getting too anxious yet. :P Just an aside.
If that's the case, he'll have to go back to work to afford it. and what a waste it would be after all this time facing death anxiety just to live a long life. That's a dangerous prospect...spend enough time living, and you might forget why you were facing it in the first place.
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Icelander
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Re: I'm enlightened [Re: foliocb]
#14928279 - 08/15/11 07:23 PM (9 months, 9 days ago) |
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foliocb said:
I sometimes still feel that I am searching for something, a feeling, a tipping point, and other times I know that it's pointless and i'm just chasing my own tail. Sounds like Icelander finally 'felt' something after a long time, I am wondering if such a feeling exists for me as well. .
The closest i've gotten recently was being at the beach with some friends and just enjoying the day with no real plans in particular, we spent an hour digging in the sand and making a makeshift hot tub in the sand, but the entire time I knew it was pointless and the water would eventually get higher and the sand would return to normal: that was absolute purposelessness to me, enjoying everything in the moment and yet being fully aware that it was all for nothing in the end.
Your day at the beach is it. It's just carrying that into every or most of the activities of life. There's no great magic imo, just letting things happen without trying to be in charge.
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― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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Icelander
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circastes said:
You know Icelander many people live until they're 80, and there's no telling what medicine is going to achieve over the next 20 years. I wouldn't be getting too anxious yet. :P Just an aside.
I'll deal with that when the time comes. I'm not going there right now as I'm doing just fine. I'm not anxious about my future hardly ever anymore.
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“What is the ideal for mental health, then? A lived, compelling illusion that does not lie about life, death, and reality; one honest enough to follow its own commandments: I mean, not to kill, not to take the lives of others to justify itself.”
― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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Icelander
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I really have no desire to be really old with the body that goes with that. Unless I was blissed out most of the time that is.
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“What is the ideal for mental health, then? A lived, compelling illusion that does not lie about life, death, and reality; one honest enough to follow its own commandments: I mean, not to kill, not to take the lives of others to justify itself.”
― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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don_vedo
MerKaBa
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Re: I'm enlightened [Re: Icelander] 1
#14928493 - 08/15/11 07:59 PM (9 months, 9 days ago) |
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Icelander said:
I really have no desire to be really old with the body that goes with that. Unless I was blissed out most of the time that is.
Lah'Kesh
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Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. We ask ourselves, Who am I to be brilliant, gorgeous, talented, fabulous? Actually, who are you not to be? We were born to make manifest the glory of God that is within us all. And as we let our own light shine, we unconsciously give other people permission to do the same.
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Cups
technically "here"
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It's nice to see you've finally found
A Whole New Way Of Looking At The Day
Feel something like that?
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Icelander
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Re: I'm enlightened [Re: Cups]
#14929878 - 08/16/11 03:59 AM (9 months, 9 days ago) |
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nice
When I started this thread I though it would get about six replies. 
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“What is the ideal for mental health, then? A lived, compelling illusion that does not lie about life, death, and reality; one honest enough to follow its own commandments: I mean, not to kill, not to take the lives of others to justify itself.”
― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
Edited by Icelander (08/16/11 04:15 AM)
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