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 sparkle
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 Re: ID please [Re: SomeGuy]
#14924766 - 08/15/11 07:03 AM (9 months, 10 days ago) |
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Sorry, i'm such a newbie....do we have a color chart? Example...http://www.somacon.com/p142.php
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Re: ID please [Re: sparkle]
#14924786 - 08/15/11 07:12 AM (9 months, 10 days ago) |
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sparkle said:
Sorry, i'm such a newbie....do we have a color chart? Example...http://www.somacon.com/p142.php
u dont need a color chart its c. molybdites
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Re: ID please [Re: Madcaps]
#14924799 - 08/15/11 07:17 AM (9 months, 10 days ago) |
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it's c. molybdites, but a chart IS a good idea, ALERT THE MODS!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Did you see the spore print picture? When I printed C. molybdites I got an entirely different color, much greener.
Yes. There aren't many other choices though. Either that print is white and its Chlorophyllum/Macrolepiota or its not white and its C. molybdites. I went with the latter. It looks like it is washed out by the flash.
Sorry to revisit an old thread but the fact that this "molybdites" has yellow then brown sporeprint had been very curious to me. While searching for another thread I came across a compromise of Alan's choice of Chlorophyllum or Lepiota. Chlorolepiota! How convenient is that? The new genera has a single species...Chlorolepiota mahabaleshwarensis which matches the spore print color yellow then brown. Further searches has been futile. Does anyone know anything about this species?
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Re: ID please [Re: sparkle]
#15785835 - 02/09/12 08:08 PM (3 months, 17 days ago) |
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I looked and looked for a photograph to compare with yours but found nothing. I'll keep looking!
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I emailed Else Vellinga and sent her this thread and this is her response.
Your mushrooms look a bit like Clarkeinda trachodes - but that species has a separate universal veil which leaves patches on the cap and a volva at the base; the spore print of Cl. trachodes is yellowish-brown. Cl. trachodes is known from India, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, southern China, Thailand etc.
It might be a different Clarkeinda species. Without a specimen it is hard to say. Dry and keep specimens!
I know I have a dried specimen somewhere. I am certain it does not have a volva and that it has a partial veil only so maybe a new species?
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Re: ID please [Re: sparkle]
#15789891 - 02/10/12 06:32 PM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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Re: ID please [Re: sparkle]
#15789899 - 02/10/12 06:33 PM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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Glad you emailed Else, she's awesome isn't she.
If this is Clarkeinda trachodes, it's listed as poisonous from your area on the few sites that come up.
link - forgive the anecdotal stuff, at least there's a photo
Link2-I don't know if yours has a basal volva
link3-interesting photo that doesn't seem much like yours.
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Re: ID please [Re: SomeGuy]
#15789946 - 02/10/12 06:48 PM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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Yup she's great. And so fast too! She answered in mere minutes. Nope, mine has no volva and she noticed it that's why she said probably a new species of Clarkeinda. It will be great if it is a new species cause it's also a monotypic genera.
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Re: ID please [Re: sparkle]
#15790594 - 02/10/12 09:55 PM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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Yup she's great. And so fast too! She answered in mere minutes. Nope, mine has no volva and she noticed it that's why she said probably a new species of Clarkeinda. It will be great if it is a new species cause it's also a monotypic genera.
Congratulations on finding a new species!
Definitely find and save some and mail it to Else. Even one is very useful.
It would be great if you could collect a few more and dry them so there is a good herbarium deposit. It is best to get a few at different stages of maturity, and be careful with the ring and stem bases.
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Congratulations on finding a new species!
Not quite sure yet about that. Perhaps it's still C. molybdites that had too much duck poo. I read somewhere that soybean meal changes the spore print color of some oysters from white to yellow. But in case it's a new species, I'll transfer my agar clone and plant it on the same media. Try to fruit it and send it to Else. I won't be surprised though if there are many undiscovered species here because of:
1. Philippine biodiversity. We have an extinct volcano here the size of perhaps Manhattan that has more species of flora than the entire North American continent. I've found some undiscovered orchid species here which I have bred from and created hundreds of new hybrids from.
2. Mycology in my country is very, very low priority, unlike our neighbors. Almost nobody is interested.
Mycology is exciting! And I'm an eager student. Thank you all
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Re: ID please [Re: sparkle]
#15791650 - 02/11/12 06:45 AM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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Congratulations on finding a new species!
Not quite sure yet about that. Perhaps it's still C. molybdites that had too much duck poo. I read somewhere that soybean meal changes the spore print color of some oysters from white to yellow. But in case it's a new species, I'll transfer my agar clone and plant it on the same media. Try to fruit it and send it to Else. I won't be surprised though if there are many undiscovered species here because of:
1. Philippine biodiversity. We have an extinct volcano here the size of perhaps Manhattan that has more species of flora than the entire North American continent. I've found some undiscovered orchid species here which I have bred from and created hundreds of new hybrids from.
2. Mycology in my country is very, very low priority, unlike our neighbors. Almost nobody is interested.
Mycology is exciting! And I'm an eager student. Thank you all
I want to be where you are!!!
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Re: ID please [Re: suchen]
#15791674 - 02/11/12 06:55 AM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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so is it a c. molybdites or not? whats up suchen, ive been lurken not posting, need to go on a shroom hunt, thers just no time.. damn
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Re: ID please [Re: Madcaps]
#15791715 - 02/11/12 07:12 AM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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so is it a c. molybdites or not? whats up suchen, ive been lurken not posting, need to go on a shroom hunt, thers just no time.. damn
Yeah man, where have you been?! We should go to the Phillipines to hunt mushrooms. Who's in?
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Bobzimmer said: "I'm just a guy with a hard-on for fungi photos."
koraks said:
"Nice chanterelle. Nice girlfriend too "
maynardjameskeenan said:
"I wish when I was growing up someone would have educated me about the respect that you need to give to something that can be so deadly and so delicious."
amilibertine said:
"Best go find whoever is out there in the wild with a purple sharpie marker coloring mushrooms. I'll bet he has what you're looking for. "
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Re: ID please [Re: suchen]
#15791727 - 02/11/12 07:16 AM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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i hear ya, im actually getting ready to move to nor cal, so ive been busy getting ready.
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Re: ID please [Re: Madcaps]
#15791805 - 02/11/12 07:53 AM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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so is it a c. molybdites or not? whats up suchen, ive been lurken not posting, need to go on a shroom hunt, thers just no time.. damn
nope.
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initially I and several of us called it Chlorophyllum Molybdites after seeing the sporeprint color, but I (for 1) was not aware of the genus Clarkeinda, as it apparently has no representation in the United states.
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Re: ID please [Re: SomeGuy]
#15797559 - 02/12/12 12:12 PM (3 months, 14 days ago) |
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It might still be C. molybdites. I saw somewhere that one of the old names of molybdites was something like Lepiota Ochrospora back in the 1800's. I guess someone then had found a molybdites with ochre spores.
While looking at the sporeprint above, first post, I noticed that the spores where already germinating on the cardboard. Wow that was just about an hour.
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Re: ID please [Re: suchen]
#15802466 - 02/13/12 10:16 AM (3 months, 14 days ago) |
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suchen said:
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Madcaps said:
so is it a c. molybdites or not? whats up suchen, ive been lurken not posting, need to go on a shroom hunt, thers just no time.. damn
Yeah man, where have you been?! We should go to the Phillipines to hunt mushrooms. Who's in?
For anyone wanting to hunt in the Philippines, this is the place to go. I haven't been there yet myself but my orchid hunting friends highly recommends this place. It's about 50 miles from where I am but a mountain range is in the way.
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Re: ID please [Re: sparkle]
#15802556 - 02/13/12 10:47 AM (3 months, 14 days ago) |
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Bobzimmer said: "I'm just a guy with a hard-on for fungi photos."
koraks said:
"Nice chanterelle. Nice girlfriend too "
maynardjameskeenan said:
"I wish when I was growing up someone would have educated me about the respect that you need to give to something that can be so deadly and so delicious."
amilibertine said:
"Best go find whoever is out there in the wild with a purple sharpie marker coloring mushrooms. I'll bet he has what you're looking for. "
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