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#14898028 - 08/09/11 06:36 PM (9 months, 15 days ago) |
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I'm looking for warm growing edibles. I found these growing in clumps. Please ID
Habitat:
Northern Philippines
Temperature: 70 - 90 degrees F
Growing on 7 inches of old rice hull with lots of duck manure. Slightly shaded.
Gills:
gills unattached, partial veil present
Stem:
2" long 3/4" diameter...annulus present
Cap:
5-6"
Spore print color:
Cardboard box brown
Bruising:
Stem bruises slightly pink
Other information:
Smell: lightly sweet mushroomy smell
texture: On the tough side
       
Edited by sparkle (02/10/12 12:49 PM)
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Re: ID please [Re: sparkle]
#14898053 - 08/09/11 06:40 PM (9 months, 15 days ago) |
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looks like c. molybites..... but im not sure.... if it is its poison aka green gills wait for a ti
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Re: ID please [Re: Madcaps]
#14898482 - 08/09/11 08:23 PM (9 months, 15 days ago) |
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It does appear to be lepiota/leucoagaricus/chlorophyllum sp. Did it bruise yellowish/reddish at all? On wood? if yes than not c. molybdites
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Re: ID please [Re: SomeGuy]
#14898496 - 08/09/11 08:27 PM (9 months, 15 days ago) |
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paducahovoids said:
It does appear to be lepiota/leucoagaricus/chlorophyllum sp. Did it bruise yellowish/reddish at all? On wood? if yes than not c. molybdites
The print is not white or green...
I don't know what it is.
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Re: ID please [Re: Byrain]
#14898524 - 08/09/11 08:34 PM (9 months, 15 days ago) |
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Is that last picture a spore print? Looks yellow, not chocolate brown.
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Re: ID please [Re: Byrain]
#14898531 - 08/09/11 08:35 PM (9 months, 15 days ago) |
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oh, I didn't catch that, in that case, something similar to agaricus hondensis?
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Re: ID please [Re: SomeGuy]
#14898813 - 08/09/11 09:43 PM (9 months, 15 days ago) |
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The spore print is regular chips ahoy brown, the cookie, not the chips. I took the shot in sunlight, the background is black.
The gills turn brown with age. I dont see bruising stains except when I cut the stem, it turns pinkish
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Re: ID please [Re: sparkle]
#14898838 - 08/09/11 09:48 PM (9 months, 15 days ago) |
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sparkle said:
The spore print is regular chips ahoy brown, the cookie, not the chips. I took the shot in sunlight, the background is black.
The gills turn brown with age. I dont see bruising stains except when I cut the stem, it turns pinkish
So you're saying the spore print in the picture is not yellow?
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Re: ID please [Re: sparkle]
#14898853 - 08/09/11 09:52 PM (9 months, 15 days ago) |
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Nope, its cookie brown. No green tinge in spores or gills
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Re: ID please [Re: sparkle]
#14902368 - 08/10/11 03:55 PM (9 months, 14 days ago) |
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Well either one of us is colorblind or your camera is broken then...
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Re: ID please [Re: Ran-D]
#14902911 - 08/10/11 05:49 PM (9 months, 14 days ago) |
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Well either one of us is colorblind or your camera is broken then...
Sorry that the picture was washed out. I'll try to find another one and retake pics. Is it possible its agaricus augustus? The gills became dark dark brown when it got old.
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Re: ID please [Re: sparkle]
#14903022 - 08/10/11 06:10 PM (9 months, 14 days ago) |
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The stem appears too smooth and the way the cap is breaking up into scales is not what A. augustus does. I wish I could see the veil, it would help a lot
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Re: ID please [Re: sparkle]
#14903109 - 08/10/11 06:23 PM (9 months, 14 days ago) |
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The gills are too light for Agaricus at that stage of maturity. My guess is Chlorophyllum molybdites.
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The gills are too light for Agaricus at that stage of maturity. My guess is Chlorophyllum molybdites.
Did you see the spore print picture? When I printed C. molybdites I got an entirely different color, much greener. I also do not think they're Agaricus.
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Re: ID please [Re: Byrain]
#14903268 - 08/10/11 06:49 PM (9 months, 14 days ago) |
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Byrain said:
Did you see the spore print picture? When I printed C. molybdites I got an entirely different color, much greener.
Yes. There aren't many other choices though. Either that print is white and its Chlorophyllum/Macrolepiota or its not white and its C. molybdites. I went with the latter. It looks like it is washed out by the flash.
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i concur c.molybdites, pic 8 gives it away
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Did you see the spore print picture? When I printed C. molybdites I got an entirely different color, much greener.
Yes. There aren't many other choices though. Either that print is white and its Chlorophyllum/Macrolepiota or its not white and its C. molybdites. I went with the latter. It looks like it is washed out by the flash.
I keep looking at the print and it certainly doesn't look white nor can I see any green, though maybe the camera really altered the colors that much. I was thinking the print would look more brown in person, maybe similar to the color Agrocybe gives.
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Re: ID please [Re: sparkle]
#14904749 - 08/11/11 02:06 AM (9 months, 14 days ago) |
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I took another photo of the spores. There really is not a mere tinge of green. It is a touch darker than a regular cardboardbox. It was hot and dry for a week and in a couple of days the others didn't bloom to a convex shape. Instead the gills turned dark brown. Hope these additional photos are helpful. Thank you all for your inputs...
  
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Re: ID please [Re: sparkle]
#14906478 - 08/11/11 12:35 PM (9 months, 14 days ago) |
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That print is olive green on my monitor, and the mushroom is Chlorophyllum molybdites.
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 it's growing straight off of wood-chips and there are rhizos holding woodchips on the base edit; nevermind, he said they are rice-hulls.(?)
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Re: ID please [Re: SomeGuy]
#14924766 - 08/15/11 07:03 AM (9 months, 10 days ago) |
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Sorry, i'm such a newbie....do we have a color chart? Example...http://www.somacon.com/p142.php
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Re: ID please [Re: sparkle]
#14924786 - 08/15/11 07:12 AM (9 months, 10 days ago) |
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sparkle said:
Sorry, i'm such a newbie....do we have a color chart? Example...http://www.somacon.com/p142.php
u dont need a color chart its c. molybdites
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#14924799 - 08/15/11 07:17 AM (9 months, 10 days ago) |
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it's c. molybdites, but a chart IS a good idea, ALERT THE MODS!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Did you see the spore print picture? When I printed C. molybdites I got an entirely different color, much greener.
Yes. There aren't many other choices though. Either that print is white and its Chlorophyllum/Macrolepiota or its not white and its C. molybdites. I went with the latter. It looks like it is washed out by the flash.
Sorry to revisit an old thread but the fact that this "molybdites" has yellow then brown sporeprint had been very curious to me. While searching for another thread I came across a compromise of Alan's choice of Chlorophyllum or Lepiota. Chlorolepiota! How convenient is that? The new genera has a single species...Chlorolepiota mahabaleshwarensis which matches the spore print color yellow then brown. Further searches has been futile. Does anyone know anything about this species?
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Re: ID please [Re: sparkle]
#15785835 - 02/09/12 08:08 PM (3 months, 17 days ago) |
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I looked and looked for a photograph to compare with yours but found nothing. I'll keep looking!
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I emailed Else Vellinga and sent her this thread and this is her response.
Your mushrooms look a bit like Clarkeinda trachodes - but that species has a separate universal veil which leaves patches on the cap and a volva at the base; the spore print of Cl. trachodes is yellowish-brown. Cl. trachodes is known from India, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, southern China, Thailand etc.
It might be a different Clarkeinda species. Without a specimen it is hard to say. Dry and keep specimens!
I know I have a dried specimen somewhere. I am certain it does not have a volva and that it has a partial veil only so maybe a new species?
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Re: ID please [Re: sparkle]
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Re: ID please [Re: sparkle]
#15789899 - 02/10/12 06:33 PM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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Glad you emailed Else, she's awesome isn't she.
If this is Clarkeinda trachodes, it's listed as poisonous from your area on the few sites that come up.
link - forgive the anecdotal stuff, at least there's a photo
Link2-I don't know if yours has a basal volva
link3-interesting photo that doesn't seem much like yours.
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#15789946 - 02/10/12 06:48 PM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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Yup she's great. And so fast too! She answered in mere minutes. Nope, mine has no volva and she noticed it that's why she said probably a new species of Clarkeinda. It will be great if it is a new species cause it's also a monotypic genera.
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Re: ID please [Re: sparkle]
#15790594 - 02/10/12 09:55 PM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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Yup she's great. And so fast too! She answered in mere minutes. Nope, mine has no volva and she noticed it that's why she said probably a new species of Clarkeinda. It will be great if it is a new species cause it's also a monotypic genera.
Congratulations on finding a new species!
Definitely find and save some and mail it to Else. Even one is very useful.
It would be great if you could collect a few more and dry them so there is a good herbarium deposit. It is best to get a few at different stages of maturity, and be careful with the ring and stem bases.
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Congratulations on finding a new species!
Not quite sure yet about that. Perhaps it's still C. molybdites that had too much duck poo. I read somewhere that soybean meal changes the spore print color of some oysters from white to yellow. But in case it's a new species, I'll transfer my agar clone and plant it on the same media. Try to fruit it and send it to Else. I won't be surprised though if there are many undiscovered species here because of:
1. Philippine biodiversity. We have an extinct volcano here the size of perhaps Manhattan that has more species of flora than the entire North American continent. I've found some undiscovered orchid species here which I have bred from and created hundreds of new hybrids from.
2. Mycology in my country is very, very low priority, unlike our neighbors. Almost nobody is interested.
Mycology is exciting! And I'm an eager student. Thank you all
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Re: ID please [Re: sparkle]
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Congratulations on finding a new species!
Not quite sure yet about that. Perhaps it's still C. molybdites that had too much duck poo. I read somewhere that soybean meal changes the spore print color of some oysters from white to yellow. But in case it's a new species, I'll transfer my agar clone and plant it on the same media. Try to fruit it and send it to Else. I won't be surprised though if there are many undiscovered species here because of:
1. Philippine biodiversity. We have an extinct volcano here the size of perhaps Manhattan that has more species of flora than the entire North American continent. I've found some undiscovered orchid species here which I have bred from and created hundreds of new hybrids from.
2. Mycology in my country is very, very low priority, unlike our neighbors. Almost nobody is interested.
Mycology is exciting! And I'm an eager student. Thank you all
I want to be where you are!!!
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Re: ID please [Re: suchen]
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so is it a c. molybdites or not? whats up suchen, ive been lurken not posting, need to go on a shroom hunt, thers just no time.. damn
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so is it a c. molybdites or not? whats up suchen, ive been lurken not posting, need to go on a shroom hunt, thers just no time.. damn
Yeah man, where have you been?! We should go to the Phillipines to hunt mushrooms. Who's in?
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amilibertine said:
"Best go find whoever is out there in the wild with a purple sharpie marker coloring mushrooms. I'll bet he has what you're looking for. "
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Re: ID please [Re: suchen]
#15791727 - 02/11/12 07:16 AM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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i hear ya, im actually getting ready to move to nor cal, so ive been busy getting ready.
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Re: ID please [Re: Madcaps]
#15791805 - 02/11/12 07:53 AM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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so is it a c. molybdites or not? whats up suchen, ive been lurken not posting, need to go on a shroom hunt, thers just no time.. damn
nope.
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initially I and several of us called it Chlorophyllum Molybdites after seeing the sporeprint color, but I (for 1) was not aware of the genus Clarkeinda, as it apparently has no representation in the United states.
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Re: ID please [Re: SomeGuy]
#15797559 - 02/12/12 12:12 PM (3 months, 14 days ago) |
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It might still be C. molybdites. I saw somewhere that one of the old names of molybdites was something like Lepiota Ochrospora back in the 1800's. I guess someone then had found a molybdites with ochre spores.
While looking at the sporeprint above, first post, I noticed that the spores where already germinating on the cardboard. Wow that was just about an hour.
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so is it a c. molybdites or not? whats up suchen, ive been lurken not posting, need to go on a shroom hunt, thers just no time.. damn
Yeah man, where have you been?! We should go to the Phillipines to hunt mushrooms. Who's in?
For anyone wanting to hunt in the Philippines, this is the place to go. I haven't been there yet myself but my orchid hunting friends highly recommends this place. It's about 50 miles from where I am but a mountain range is in the way.
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Re: ID please [Re: sparkle]
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amilibertine said:
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Re: ID please [Re: suchen]
#16225037 - 05/13/12 02:06 PM (16 days, 23 hours ago) |
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Hi friends. I finally found my first Molybdites. A few meters away from the parasol patch and species x in the first post. I wonder if the parasol and the molybdites sexed to produce species x?
Let me compare the molybdites and species x.
The molybdites are monsters 7-8" diameter. And tall 7". Species x is stouter, shorter .Species x is more dense, molybdites more brittle. Molybdites bruised brown, species x bruised red. x smelled like portabella. And of course the spore print color is...
now that's green.
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Re: ID please [Re: sparkle]
#16225989 - 05/13/12 06:11 PM (16 days, 18 hours ago) |
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Hi sparkle. You sure do find a lot of Lepiotoid fungi!
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