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It's basically Randian Objectivism meets Dungeons & Dragons.  I mean, whatever floats your boat, but it seems kind of silly to me. 

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It's basically Randian Objectivism meets Dungeons & Dragons.  I mean, whatever floats your boat, but it seems kind of silly to me. 

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aspiringspychonaut said:
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it is completely part of--the flip side of--the christian religion, and very UGLY! It dissociates with 'christianity' and thus despises what it believes is ONLY part of christianity like compassion, turning the other cheek---so like an obnoxious, abused, childish brat goes all arse over tit into the other--such as DESPISE the 'weak', dont turn the other cheek but CRUSH those who get in your way.

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it is completely part of--the flip side of--the christian religion, and very UGLY! It dissociates with 'christianity' and thus despises what it believes is ONLY part of christianity like compassion, turning the other cheek---so like an obnoxious, abused, childish brat goes all arse over tit into the other--such as DESPISE the 'weak', dont turn the other cheek but CRUSH those who get in your way.

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it is completely part of--the flip side of--the christian religion, and very UGLY! It dissociates with 'christianity' and thus despises what it believes is ONLY part of christianity like compassion, turning the other cheek---so like an obnoxious, abused, childish brat goes all arse over tit into the other--such as DESPISE the 'weak', dont turn the other cheek but CRUSH those who get in your way.

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How much do you actually know about the beliefs of Satanism?  Just curious because none of that jibes with what I've read.

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I think it is dangerous.

I heard a recording on youtube of Nikolas Schreck earnestly describing Satanism's war against Christianity and Christian values, which he seemed to wholeheartedly despise.

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I think it is dangerous.

I heard a recording on youtube of Nikolas Schreck earnestly describing Satanism's war against Christianity and Christian values, which he seemed to wholeheartedly despise.

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I think it is dangerous.

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I think it is dangerous.

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Not to mention his apparent intelligence which which made it all seem a little more, I don't know.. dramatic(?) to me. Not sure how to describe it, but I never realized just what kind of misanthropists there are out there.

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Well yeah the version of Christianity that's been corrupted for whatever ends. There's plenty of wisdom in the Bible.

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I think it is dangerous.

I heard a recording on youtube of Nikolas Schreck earnestly describing Satanism's war against Christianity and Christian values, which he seemed to wholeheartedly despise.

Not to mention his apparent intelligence which which made it all seem a little more, I don't know.. dramatic(?) to me. Not sure how to describe it, but I never realized just what kind of misanthropists there are out there.

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Well yeah the version of Christianity that's been corrupted for whatever ends. There's plenty of wisdom in the Bible.

I got the impression he was talking about an agenda of creating a society based entirely around sensory gratification and totally void of selflessness, compassion or anything that makes sharing existence with other people worth it. Or maybe he's just a giant nerd like most satanists.

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Well you'd be dead wrong imo.  Most people are so detached from their bodies that they don't realize how wonderful it feels to be fit and well and relaxed and at home there.  The pleasure of tasting food rather than cramming it down in a rush. The pleasure of two bodies pressed together in tantric bliss.  The pleasure of the sun and rain on your face or pushing your muscles as you sprint or jog. The ability to sit and do nothing but feel your body without going mad.  Listening to music. The rush of physical bliss as you peak on Ecstasy.  I could go on.

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Wasn't "Satan" just another Judeo-Christian demon, and not even an important one?

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Well you'd be dead wrong imo.  Most people are so detached from their bodies that they don't realize how wonderful it feels to be fit and well and relaxed and at home there.  The pleasure of tasting food rather than cramming it down in a rush. The pleasure of two bodies pressed together in tantric bliss.  The pleasure of the sun and rain on your face or pushing your muscles as you sprint or jog. The ability to sit and do nothing but feel your body without going mad.  Listening to music. The rush of physical bliss as you peak on Ecstasy.  I could go on.

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I think "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law (under love)" by Crowley sums up all you really need to know about Satanism, if you need to know anything. The rituals and other shit is up to each individual to try out and see what happens. It's funny that Crowley was a Satanist, yet his ritual magic is about summoning angels (Enochian magic at least).

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Well you'd be dead wrong imo.  Most people are so detached from their bodies that they don't realize how wonderful it feels to be fit and well and relaxed and at home there.  The pleasure of tasting food rather than cramming it down in a rush. The pleasure of two bodies pressed together in tantric bliss.  The pleasure of the sun and rain on your face or pushing your muscles as you sprint or jog. The ability to sit and do nothing but feel your body without going mad.  Listening to music. The rush of physical bliss as you peak on Ecstasy.  I could go on.

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Well you'd be dead wrong imo.  Most people are so detached from their bodies that they don't realize how wonderful it feels to be fit and well and relaxed and at home there.  The pleasure of tasting food rather than cramming it down in a rush. The pleasure of two bodies pressed together in tantric bliss.  The pleasure of the sun and rain on your face or pushing your muscles as you sprint or jog. The ability to sit and do nothing but feel your body without going mad.  Listening to music. The rush of physical bliss as you peak on Ecstasy.  I could go on.

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Crowley's original formulation is "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law," followed by "Love is the law: love under will."  The ideas of will and love are translated into Latin as "Thelema" and "Agape" respectively, both of which translate into the number 93 using gematria.  So Thelemites will often use the number 93 as a greeting, and then say 93/93 when parting.  If one understands a little more about Thelema, one realizes that "Do what thou wilt" is not an invitation to egoism.  Crowley is instead referring to the True Will of one's soul purpose.  In fact, "will" can essentially be contrasted with "whim," so it is far from a hedonistic imperative.

It is the Wiccans who put the "An harm ye none" part.  Gerald Gardner, who either founded or discovered Wicca depending on who you believe, was a student of Crowley, and likely created that formulation so as to avoid the egoistic implications it seemed to have on the surface.  That can largely explain why Wicca has a more playful image than the dark mysteries of Thelema.

Anton LaVey had read Crowley, but was also a big fan of Ayn Rand, whose egoistic individualism he sought to meld with Crowley's occult rituals.  "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law" sounded perfectly fine to him, but he discarded the "Love is the law" part, as his ideology had little room for love, especially not the divine love captured by the word "agape."  LaVey thought it perfectly respectable to smite one's enemies and be cruel to those who oppose you.  So for him, "Do what thou wilt" really was a hedonistic imperative.  It meant go out and be as selfish, materialistic, and greedy as you want.  There's no God to judge you and no hell to pay later.  I never understood why people found that so profound, except out of an adolescent sense of rebellion(I went to a Catholic high school, and I saw a bunch of kids who thought they were cool for carrying around the Satanic Bible in their backpack).

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Anton LaVey had read Crowley, but was also a big fan of Ayn Rand, whose egoistic individualism he sought to meld with Crowley's occult rituals.  "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law" sounded perfectly fine to him, but he discarded the "Love is the law" part, as his ideology had little room for love, especially not the divine love captured by the word "agape."  LaVey thought it perfectly respectable to smite one's enemies and be cruel to those who oppose you.  So for him, "Do what thou wilt" really was a hedonistic imperative.  It meant go out and be as selfish, materialistic, and greedy as you want.  There's no God to judge you and no hell to pay later.  I never understood why people found that so profound, except out of an adolescent sense of rebellion(I went to a Catholic high school, and I saw a bunch of kids who thought they were cool for carrying around the Satanic Bible in their backpack).

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Satanism is a group of religions that is composed of a diverse number of ideological and philosophical beliefs and social phenomena. Their shared feature include symbolic association with, admiration for the character of, and even veneration of Satan or similar rebellious, promethean, and liberating figures.

Satanist groups that appeared after the 1960s are widely diverse, but two major trends are Theistic Satanism and Atheistic Satanism. Theistic Satanists venerate Satan as a supernatural deity. In contrast, Atheistic Satanists[3] consider themselves atheists, agnostics, or apatheists and regard Satan as merely symbolic of certain human traits.

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In recent years, we’ve wasted far too much time explaining that Satanism has nothing to do with kidnapping, drug abuse, child molestation, animal or child sacrifice, or any number of other acts that idiots, hysterics or opportunists would like to credit us with. Satanism is a life-loving, rational philosophy that millions of people adhere to. Now we’re ready for something that goes quite a few steps beyond just explaining our principles. Every revisionist movement needs a set of goals/guidelines that are clear, concrete, and that will effect significant changes.

The following Five-Point Program reflects attitudes which allow others to decide whether they wish to align themselves with Satanism or not. Each is necessary for Satanic change to take place. When asked what we’re “doing,” here’s the answer:

1. Stratification—The point on which all the others ultimately rest. There can be no more myth of “equality” for all—it only translates to “mediocrity” and supports the weak at the expense of the strong. Water must be allowed to seek its own level without interference from apologists for incompetence. No one should be protected from the effects of his own stupidity.

2. Strict taxation of all churches—If churches were taxed for all their income and property, they’d crumble overnight of their own obsolescence, and the National Debt would be wiped out as quickly. The productive, the creative, the resourceful should be subsidized. So long as the useless and incompetent are getting paid, they should be heavily taxed.

3. No tolerance for religious beliefs secularized and incorporated into law and order issues—to re-establish “Lex Talionis” would require a complete overturning of the present in-justice system based on Judeo-Christian ideals, where the victim/defender has been made the criminal. Amnesty should be considered for anyone in prison because of his alleged “influence” upon the actual perpetrator of the crime. Everyone is influenced in what he or she does. Scapegoating has become a way of life, a means of survival for the unfit. As an extension of the Judeo-Christian cop-out of blaming the Devil for everything, criminals can gain leniency, even praise, by placing the blame on a convenient villain. Following the Satanic creed of “Responsibility to the responsible,” in a Satanic society, everyone must experience the consequences of his own actions—for good or ill.

4. Development and production of artificial human companions—The forbidden industry. An economic “godsend” which will allow everyone “power” over someone else. Polite, sophisticated, technologically feasible slavery. And the most profitable industry since T.V. and the computer.

5. The opportunity for anyone to live within a total environment of his or her choice, with mandatory adherence to the aesthetic and behavioral standards of same—Privately owned, operated and controlled environments as an alternative to homogenized and polyglot ones. The freedom to insularize oneself within a social milieu of personal well-being. An opportunity to feel, see, and hear that which is most aesthetically pleasing, without interference from those who would pollute or detract from that option.

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THE NINE SATANIC SINS

1. Stupidity—The top of the list for Satanic Sins. The Cardinal Sin of Satanism. It’s too bad that stupidity isn’t painful. Ignorance is one thing, but our society thrives increasingly on stupidity. It depends on people going along with whatever they are told. The media promotes a cultivated stupidity as a posture that is not only acceptable but laudable. Satanists must learn to see through the tricks and cannot afford to be stupid.

2. Pretentiousness—Empty posturing can be most irritating and isn’t applying the cardinal rules of Lesser Magic. On equal footing with stupidity for what keeps the money in circulation these days. Everyone’s made to feel like a big shot, whether they can come up with the goods or not.

3. Solipsism—Can be very dangerous for Satanists. Projecting your reactions, responses and sensibilities onto someone who is probably far less attuned than you are. It is the mistake of expecting people to give you the same consideration, courtesy and respect that you naturally give them. They won’t. Instead, Satanists must strive to apply the dictum of “Do unto others as they do unto you.” It’s work for most of us and requires constant vigilance lest you slip into a comfortable illusion of everyone being like you. As has been said, certain utopias would be ideal in a nation of philosophers, but unfortunately (or perhaps fortunately, from a Machiavellian standpoint) we are far from that point.

4. Self-deceit—It’s in the “Nine Satanic Statements” but deserves to be repeated here. Another cardinal sin. We must not pay homage to any of the sacred cows presented to us, including the roles we are expected to play ourselves. The only time self-deceit should be entered into is when it’s fun, and with awareness. But then, it’s not self-deceit!

5. Herd Conformity—That’s obvious from a Satanic stance. It’s all right to conform to a person’s wishes, if it ultimately benefits you. But only fools follow along with the herd, letting an impersonal entity dictate to you. The key is to choose a master wisely instead of being enslaved by the whims of the many.

6. Lack of Perspective—Again, this one can lead to a lot of pain for a Satanist. You must never lose sight of who and what you are, and what a threat you can be, by your very existence. We are making history right now, every day. Always keep the wider historical and social picture in mind. That is an important key to both Lesser and Greater Magic. See the patterns and fit things together as you want the pieces to fall into place. Do not be swayed by herd constraints—know that you are working on another level entirely from the rest of the world.

7. Forgetfulness of Past Orthodoxies—Be aware that this is one of the keys to brainwashing people into accepting something new and different, when in reality it’s something that was once widely accepted but is now presented in a new package. We are expected to rave about the genius of the creator and forget the original. This makes for a disposable society.

8. Counterproductive Pride—That first word is important. Pride is great up to the point you begin to throw out the baby with the bathwater. The rule of Satanism is: if it works for you, great. When it stops working for you, when you’ve painted yourself into a corner and the only way out is to say, I’m sorry, I made a mistake, I wish we could compromise somehow, then do it.

9. Lack of Aesthetics—This is the physical application of the Balance Factor. Aesthetics is important in Lesser Magic and should be cultivated. It is obvious that no one can collect any money off classical standards of beauty and form most of the time so they are discouraged in a consumer society, but an eye for beauty, for balance, is an essential Satanic tool and must be applied for greatest magical effectiveness. It’s not what’s supposed to be pleasing—it’s what is. Aesthetics is a personal thing, reflective of one’s own nature, but there are universally pleasing and harmonious configurations that should not be denied.

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1. Do not give opinions or advice unless you are asked.

2. Do not tell your troubles to others unless you are sure they want to hear them.

3. When in another’s lair, show him respect or else do not go there.

4. If a guest in your lair annoys you, treat him cruelly and without mercy.

5. Do not make sexual advances unless you are given the mating signal.

6. Do not take that which does not belong to you unless it is a burden to the other person and he cries out to be relieved.

7. Acknowledge the power of magic if you have employed it successfully to obtain your desires. If you deny the power of magic after having called upon it with success, you will lose all you have obtained.

8. Do not complain about anything to which you need not subject yourself.

9. Do not harm little children.

10. Do not kill non-human animals unless you are attacked or for your food.

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1. Satan represents indulgence instead of abstinence!

2. Satan represents vital existence instead of spiritual pipe dreams!

3. Satan represents undefiled wisdom instead of hypocritical self-deceit!

4. Satan represents kindness to those who deserve it instead of love wasted on ingrates!

5. Satan represents vengeance instead of turning the other cheek!

6. Satan represents responsibility to the responsible instead of concern for psychic vampires!

7. Satan represents man as just another animal, sometimes better, more often worse than those that walk on all-fours, who, because of his “divine spiritual and intellectual development,” has become the most vicious animal of all!

8. Satan represents all of the so-called sins, as they all lead to physical, mental, or emotional gratification!


9. Satan has been the best friend the Church has ever had, as He has kept it in business all these years!

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What it really comes down to for me personally is what the female satanists look like and what they do.

They do satanistic things .

Anyways, other then finding cute partners for kinky sex I'm not sure I see the point in it, other then proving how cool you are mocking christians... to get in with the satanic chicks I would assume... I'm not sure why/if they do it.

My guess is you would have more luck searching for that somewhere else. Satanist does not equal pan-sexual IMO. I don't know why/if they do it either. Some people might.

Why not make up your own religion or philosophy, if you aren't worried about god and soul type stuff?

Because not everyone is as brilliant as you are?  Some people just got more brainz than others. My guess is that satanism has nothing brilliant to say in at least 90% (probably high 90%) of the teaching out there.

I know somebody made alot of cheese with that satanic bible money, like so many other religious leaders... just sayin

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has anybody even mentioned Anton LeVey or the modern Church of Satanism? www.churchofsatan.com


My general understanding is that it is mostly about looking out for no.1, yourself.


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In recent years, we’ve wasted far too much time explaining that Satanism has nothing to do with kidnapping, drug abuse, child molestation, animal or child sacrifice, or any number of other acts that idiots, hysterics or opportunists would like to credit us with. Satanism is a life-loving, rational philosophy that millions of people adhere to. Now we’re ready for something that goes quite a few steps beyond just explaining our principles. Every revisionist movement needs a set of goals/guidelines that are clear, concrete, and that will effect significant changes.

The following Five-Point Program reflects attitudes which allow others to decide whether they wish to align themselves with Satanism or not. Each is necessary for Satanic change to take place. When asked what we’re “doing,” here’s the answer:

1. Stratification—The point on which all the others ultimately rest. There can be no more myth of “equality” for all—it only translates to “mediocrity” and supports the weak at the expense of the strong. Water must be allowed to seek its own level without interference from apologists for incompetence. No one should be protected from the effects of his own stupidity.

2. Strict taxation of all churches—If churches were taxed for all their income and property, they’d crumble overnight of their own obsolescence, and the National Debt would be wiped out as quickly. The productive, the creative, the resourceful should be subsidized. So long as the useless and incompetent are getting paid, they should be heavily taxed.

3. No tolerance for religious beliefs secularized and incorporated into law and order issues—to re-establish “Lex Talionis” would require a complete overturning of the present in-justice system based on Judeo-Christian ideals, where the victim/defender has been made the criminal. Amnesty should be considered for anyone in prison because of his alleged “influence” upon the actual perpetrator of the crime. Everyone is influenced in what he or she does. Scapegoating has become a way of life, a means of survival for the unfit. As an extension of the Judeo-Christian cop-out of blaming the Devil for everything, criminals can gain leniency, even praise, by placing the blame on a convenient villain. Following the Satanic creed of “Responsibility to the responsible,” in a Satanic society, everyone must experience the consequences of his own actions—for good or ill.

4. Development and production of artificial human companions—The forbidden industry. An economic “godsend” which will allow everyone “power” over someone else. Polite, sophisticated, technologically feasible slavery. And the most profitable industry since T.V. and the computer.

5. The opportunity for anyone to live within a total environment of his or her choice, with mandatory adherence to the aesthetic and behavioral standards of same—Privately owned, operated and controlled environments as an alternative to homogenized and polyglot ones. The freedom to insularize oneself within a social milieu of personal well-being. An opportunity to feel, see, and hear that which is most aesthetically pleasing, without interference from those who would pollute or detract from that option.

This is the encapsulated version of the current thrust of Satanic advocacy. So when someone asks you, “Well, what do Satanists do?”, you will be qualified to tell him.

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THE NINE SATANIC SINS

1. Stupidity—The top of the list for Satanic Sins. The Cardinal Sin of Satanism. It’s too bad that stupidity isn’t painful. Ignorance is one thing, but our society thrives increasingly on stupidity. It depends on people going along with whatever they are told. The media promotes a cultivated stupidity as a posture that is not only acceptable but laudable. Satanists must learn to see through the tricks and cannot afford to be stupid.

2. Pretentiousness—Empty posturing can be most irritating and isn’t applying the cardinal rules of Lesser Magic. On equal footing with stupidity for what keeps the money in circulation these days. Everyone’s made to feel like a big shot, whether they can come up with the goods or not.

3. Solipsism—Can be very dangerous for Satanists. Projecting your reactions, responses and sensibilities onto someone who is probably far less attuned than you are. It is the mistake of expecting people to give you the same consideration, courtesy and respect that you naturally give them. They won’t. Instead, Satanists must strive to apply the dictum of “Do unto others as they do unto you.” It’s work for most of us and requires constant vigilance lest you slip into a comfortable illusion of everyone being like you. As has been said, certain utopias would be ideal in a nation of philosophers, but unfortunately (or perhaps fortunately, from a Machiavellian standpoint) we are far from that point.

4. Self-deceit—It’s in the “Nine Satanic Statements” but deserves to be repeated here. Another cardinal sin. We must not pay homage to any of the sacred cows presented to us, including the roles we are expected to play ourselves. The only time self-deceit should be entered into is when it’s fun, and with awareness. But then, it’s not self-deceit!

5. Herd Conformity—That’s obvious from a Satanic stance. It’s all right to conform to a person’s wishes, if it ultimately benefits you. But only fools follow along with the herd, letting an impersonal entity dictate to you. The key is to choose a master wisely instead of being enslaved by the whims of the many.

6. Lack of Perspective—Again, this one can lead to a lot of pain for a Satanist. You must never lose sight of who and what you are, and what a threat you can be, by your very existence. We are making history right now, every day. Always keep the wider historical and social picture in mind. That is an important key to both Lesser and Greater Magic. See the patterns and fit things together as you want the pieces to fall into place. Do not be swayed by herd constraints—know that you are working on another level entirely from the rest of the world.

7. Forgetfulness of Past Orthodoxies—Be aware that this is one of the keys to brainwashing people into accepting something new and different, when in reality it’s something that was once widely accepted but is now presented in a new package. We are expected to rave about the genius of the creator and forget the original. This makes for a disposable society.

8. Counterproductive Pride—That first word is important. Pride is great up to the point you begin to throw out the baby with the bathwater. The rule of Satanism is: if it works for you, great. When it stops working for you, when you’ve painted yourself into a corner and the only way out is to say, I’m sorry, I made a mistake, I wish we could compromise somehow, then do it.

9. Lack of Aesthetics—This is the physical application of the Balance Factor. Aesthetics is important in Lesser Magic and should be cultivated. It is obvious that no one can collect any money off classical standards of beauty and form most of the time so they are discouraged in a consumer society, but an eye for beauty, for balance, is an essential Satanic tool and must be applied for greatest magical effectiveness. It’s not what’s supposed to be pleasing—it’s what is. Aesthetics is a personal thing, reflective of one’s own nature, but there are universally pleasing and harmonious configurations that should not be denied.

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THE ELEVEN SATANIC RULES OF THE EARTH

1. Do not give opinions or advice unless you are asked.

2. Do not tell your troubles to others unless you are sure they want to hear them.

3. When in another’s lair, show him respect or else do not go there.

4. If a guest in your lair annoys you, treat him cruelly and without mercy.

5. Do not make sexual advances unless you are given the mating signal.

6. Do not take that which does not belong to you unless it is a burden to the other person and he cries out to be relieved.

7. Acknowledge the power of magic if you have employed it successfully to obtain your desires. If you deny the power of magic after having called upon it with success, you will lose all you have obtained.

8. Do not complain about anything to which you need not subject yourself.

9. Do not harm little children.

10. Do not kill non-human animals unless you are attacked or for your food.

11. When walking in open territory, bother no one. If someone bothers you, ask him to stop. If he does not stop, destroy him.

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THE NINE SATANIC STATEMENTS
1. Satan represents indulgence instead of abstinence!

2. Satan represents vital existence instead of spiritual pipe dreams!

3. Satan represents undefiled wisdom instead of hypocritical self-deceit!

4. Satan represents kindness to those who deserve it instead of love wasted on ingrates!

5. Satan represents vengeance instead of turning the other cheek!

6. Satan represents responsibility to the responsible instead of concern for psychic vampires!

7. Satan represents man as just another animal, sometimes better, more often worse than those that walk on all-fours, who, because of his “divine spiritual and intellectual development,” has become the most vicious animal of all!

8. Satan represents all of the so-called sins, as they all lead to physical, mental, or emotional gratification!


9. Satan has been the best friend the Church has ever had, as He has kept it in business all these years!

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Thanks for posting this and much of this is what I remember it to be.  There is a lot that is worthwhile and realistic to be found here for those with even a modicum of an open mind.

Satan is taught to be evil because he rebelled.  But what did he actually rebel from?  A wrathful and jealous god according to the bible who will only love you if you slavishly obey him. 

I'm siding with Satan thank you.

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I'm siding with Satan thank you.

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I'm siding with Satan thank you.

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Me too.  The god of the bible is clearly the evil god.

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