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Kickle said:
I don't support moral relativism.
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Anyway, I'm only making my own decisions on what good is. Other people can figure it out for themselves.

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zzripz said:
But rather the deep embrace and celebration of this sacred Earth, organism, other species, and each other, and women!

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Kickle said:
So you need mother earth and what she births, but somehow a human, which is all a buddha or guru really is, is separate from this in your mind?

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TeamAmerica said:


It seems Apophis is a much better Egyptian match for "Satan"

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You know when mythology shows images of serpents, and talks about Darkness, you know that they are really talking about the Goddess. This is including what I had said before about the real identity of Mara being female and not male.
This is VERY important to understand which is why I am making this effort:

Just take quick look at the image of the serpent on the tree here:
http://www.touregypt.net/featurestories/apep.htm

Doesn't that image remind you of the biblical Garden of Eden, the serpent in the tree motif? As you know, the Hebrews borrowed tales from Egypt, and elsewhere for their stories. But notice how the decription keeps calling the god 'he'.

"Ra---the son---was believed to fight daily the serpent of darkness, known as Zet (later Apophis). Zet was originally the ancient Cobra Goddess Us Zit..."
The Great Cosmic Mother: Rediscovering the Religion of the Earth, Monica Sjoo & Barbara Mor, p.255

The solar cults and patriarchy fears the dark aspect of the Goddess the most, and as you can see will not even name Her female! That reveals to us the depth of the taboo.

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graffix87 said:You cant just believe in God in your head, its something that becomes so real to you that it changes who you are.

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This feeling is true of any deeply-held belief.  It is in your head.  It becomes real to you because you're in your head too.

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This is including what I had said before about the real identity of Mara being female and not male.

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Mara is not female, the word comes from an indian root word (mer*) meaning death, as mara is symbolic of spiritual death - and is not based on MA - mother. mara is usually understood psychologically and not just as an actual being, in which case gender is entirely irrelevent. it's not a conspiracy against goddess religion, as i pointed out the buddhist pantheon has female buddhas like white tara, who represents motherly compassion (another sign MARA is not used to denigrate motherly qualities). a neat thing about tara is the possible connection to Terra (earth) coupled with her common title of "mother tara" aka mother earth.

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graffix87 said:You cant just believe in God in your head, its something that becomes so real to you that it changes who you are.

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This feeling is true of any deeply-held belief.  It is in your head.  It becomes real to you because you're in your head too.

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TeamAmerica said:


It seems Apophis is a much better Egyptian match for "Satan"

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You know when mythology shows images of serpents, and talks about Darkness, you know that they are really talking about the Goddess. This is including what I had said before about the real identity of Mara being female and not male.
This is VERY important to understand which is why I am making this effort:

Just take quick look at the image of the serpent on the tree here:
http://www.touregypt.net/featurestories/apep.htm

Doesn't that image remind you of the biblical Garden of Eden, the serpent in the tree motif? As you know, the Hebrews borrowed tales from Egypt, and elsewhere for their stories. But notice how the decription keeps calling the god 'he'.

"Ra---the son---was believed to fight daily the serpent of darkness, known as Zet (later Apophis). Zet was originally the ancient Cobra Goddess Us Zit..."
The Great Cosmic Mother: Rediscovering the Religion of the Earth, Monica Sjoo & Barbara Mor, p.255

The solar cults and patriarchy fears the dark aspect of the Goddess the most, and as you can see will not even name Her female! That reveals to us the depth of the taboo.

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Yes this def reminds me of the Genesis story.The serpent around the tree of life.If you look it IS an evergreen holly tree...Which is interesting...

Ra being the ultimate "Male" The sun, fire, light, energy, ... I guess you could deduce that Apep represents the "Goddess"(negative, darkness)But I do not think it does. Egypt wasnt exactly Patriarchal in that way...

Maat was actually the Goddess...Maat representing Order and Apep was the enemy of Maat really...Apep not being at all Male or Female...


Apep lives in the realm of the dead, in a darkness so dark that it is literally a solid material...Or so says the Myths

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This is including what I had said before about the real identity of Mara being female and not male.

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Mara is not female, the word comes from an indian root word (mer*) meaning death, as mara is symbolic of spiritual death - and is not based on MA - mother. mara is usually understood psychologically and not just as an actual being, in which case gender is entirely irrelevent. it's not a conspiracy against goddess religion, as i pointed out the buddhist pantheon has female buddhas like white tara, who represents motherly compassion (another sign MARA is not used to denigrate motherly qualities). a neat thing about tara is the possible connection to Terra (earth) coupled with her common title of "mother tara" aka mother earth.

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TeamAmerica said:


It seems Apophis is a much better Egyptian match for "Satan"

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You know when mythology shows images of serpents, and talks about Darkness, you know that they are really talking about the Goddess. This is including what I had said before about the real identity of Mara being female and not male.
This is VERY important to understand which is why I am making this effort:

Just take quick look at the image of the serpent on the tree here:
http://www.touregypt.net/featurestories/apep.htm

Doesn't that image remind you of the biblical Garden of Eden, the serpent in the tree motif? As you know, the Hebrews borrowed tales from Egypt, and elsewhere for their stories. But notice how the decription keeps calling the god 'he'.

"Ra---the son---was believed to fight daily the serpent of darkness, known as Zet (later Apophis). Zet was originally the ancient Cobra Goddess Us Zit..."
The Great Cosmic Mother: Rediscovering the Religion of the Earth, Monica Sjoo & Barbara Mor, p.255

The solar cults and patriarchy fears the dark aspect of the Goddess the most, and as you can see will not even name Her female! That reveals to us the depth of the taboo.

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Yes this def reminds me of the Genesis story.The serpent around the tree of life.If you look it IS an evergreen holly tree...Which is interesting...

Ra being the ultimate "Male" The sun, fire, light, energy, ... I guess you could deduce that Apep represents the "Goddess"(negative, darkness)But I do not think it does. Egypt wasnt exactly Patriarchal in that way...

Maat was actually the Goddess...Maat representing Order and Apep was the enemy of Maat really...Apep not being at all Male or Female...


Apep lives in the realm of the dead, in a darkness so dark that it is literally a solid material...Or so says the Myths

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The Egyptians believed that from the union of chaos and the wind (the life~breath, the All~Goddess dancing with her own breath)came forth Maat, in the form of an egg. Maat was the Egyptian word for both "mother" and "matter"; it was the primordial mud of the Nile from which life grew. It also meant "truth" and "justice", and was often symbolized both as a feather and a vulture---the feather weiged in the balance scales against the soul at death, and the Vulture~Mother who swoops down to pick the dead bones clean for rebirth. Maat as the ultimate truth contained within herself the potential existence, and nonexistence, of all things, all polarities. She was also pure Nothingness, having no identifiable characteristics, but the eternal potency ---and potential---of everything.(ibid, ps. 61-62)

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    Old Norse mara, from Proto-Germanic *marōn; cognate to Old English mare or mære

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The word "Mara" comes from the Proto-Indo-European root *mer meaning to die, and so it is related to the European Mara, the Slavic Marzanna and the Latvian Māra.[2]

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i don't see any connection to mother or anything female

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explain this?

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    Old Norse mara, from Proto-Germanic *marōn; cognate to Old English mare or mære

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i'm just going by the wikipedia article's etymology of the word which says:

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The word "Mara" comes from the Proto-Indo-European root *mer meaning to die, and so it is related to the European Mara, the Slavic Marzanna and the Latvian Māra.[2]

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i don't see any connection to mother or anything female

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mare is a female horse...? you are determined mara is having no feminine origin aren't you?

Try this: Alp (Germany): 

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An alp is typically male, while the mara and mart appear to be more feminine versions of the same creature. Its victims are often females, whom it attacks during the night, controlling their dreams and creating horrible nightmares (hence the German word Alptraum (“elf dream”), meaning a nightmare).

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Visionary Tools said:
I wonder why serpent cults predate solar cults?

I've heard of the snakes of creation, but surely people would have paid more attention to a big ball of fire in the sky that nourishes and sustains us all in it's holy RAys?

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