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"SERIOUS OLD UFOLOGY

Serious Old Ufologists are those who accumulate cases, like Richard Dolan does concerning declassified documents that discuss the scrambling of fighter jets to chase unknown intelligently controlled craft; and declassified documents that discuss unknown intelligently controlled craft that landed or showed up on radar.


SERIOUS NEW UFOLOGY

Serious New Ufologists are not interested in accumulating more cases. At the present time Serious New Ufology has a key question to answer:

* WHAT ARE THEY? (i.e. what are the intelligently controlled craft?) Once the technologists and physicists reach a consensus on that question a new question arises…

* WHERE ARE THEY FROM? (The origins question cannot be asked first because if we ask where are they from first then someone may reply where are WHAT from?) IF there are exotic answers to the previous two questions then scientists will ponder the question WHY ARE THEY HERE? By now the phenomenon will also be political irrespective of whether the answers to the previous questions are ET/other dimensions answers or earthly and human answers.

There is another important point to make here. We cannot assume that the UFO phenomenon conforms to one single theory. It may be the case that different theorists are picking up on relative truths concerning the⁸ phenomenon but are overlooking the work of others. This line of thinking certainly cannot be dismissed at the present time.

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zzripz said:
but you get this split--those who believe the nuts and bolts ETH and those who believe in the fairies. Seldon do you have those who are open to BOTH theories

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Icelander said:
I reached the inevitable conclusion that the phenomenon is a reality.

If your conclusion was inevitable then your search was not an honest one.  This is basic and true.

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FishOilTheKid said:
What would you make of visions that are mere projections of alien craft...??

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zzripz said:
but you get this split--those who believe the nuts and bolts ETH and those who believe in the fairies. Seldon do you have those who are open to BOTH theories

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The supernatural explanation of the UFO phenomenon is what initially compelled me to begin researching it. Unlike the extraterrestrial hypothesis, this was a theory worth investigating because I could see it as a real possibility. After a lengthy period of time spent studying this topic, I reached the inevitable conclusion that the phenomenon is a reality.

For a while, I believed UFOs had a supernatural explanation and were not extraterrestrial vehicles. It kind of explained how UFOs seem to violate the known laws of physics on so many levels and also explain their enigmatic behavior.

My views have since changed and now I'm quite sure that they are extraterrestrial spacecraft.

The goals of ufology have pretty much remained the same through the decades. People have always wondered what was at the heart of the phenomenon, whether it be aliens or angels, etc. In the past, researchers couldn't formulate any specific theories due to a lack of information. Even today, any specifics about the nature of UFOs and their occupants is merely speculation, unless of course, you've met them.

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Icelander said:
I reached the inevitable conclusion that the phenomenon is a reality.

If your conclusion was inevitable then your search was not an honest one.  This is basic and true.

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Prior to researching the topic, I assumed the inevitable conclusion was that the evidence supporting the existence of UFOs would be as weak as the evidence supporting the existence of Bigfoot. In other words, I maintained a position of extreme skepticism and very doubtful expectations of finding anything other than anecdotal evidence.

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FishOilTheKid said:
What would you make of visions that are mere projections of alien craft...??

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What do you mean, specifically? Like DMT visions or something?

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Cosmicjoker said:
I saw a UFO once, it was incredible, driving at night, totally sober, and a half disc series of circular lights as if a UFO the alien spaceship is turning on it's head lights, it hovers for a second, then wooshes incredibly fast leaving a streak of light for a second covering the whole sky, faster then I even a shooting star, def faster then earth made air or space craft.

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XeR0 said:
As a scientist, I should accept the fact that UFO's are a possibility...especially considering the amount of cases stating that many masses in may parts of the world say they saw something out of the ordinary. What sickens me about most (if not all) UFO groups, is how they lack the enthusiasm to grab an HD camera, go on the road, and fucking look for them! Make a documentary or something.

I mean come on! People have been chasing the weather for crying out loud. Something so intriguing as extra-terrestrial beings in advanced space-craft and you'd think SOMEONE had the bright idea of doing the same. People have been begging for proof and all they have is cellphone quality videos made by bystanders with questionable content. Photos are completely unreliable due to the ease of photo manipulation.

I 90% believe they exist but there's that 10% that nags me every time: I need to see one for myself.

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I am not that up on technology. Are you saying footage from a HD cameras is less fakeable than from cell phone?

I know this--that most of the youtube videos that seem to show 'convincing-looking' UFOS are called fake fake fake now, BECAUSE it is very easy, apparently to use software to create the illusion

I asked one person who said that this video was hoax and bragged about how he can di it dead easy IF he could fake some of the UFO film footage that is PRE-computers with the easily available software, and he came back quick with 'of COURSE!'--so then I said so HOW then can you know this is fake? And he never. get it? replied

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zzripz said:
I am not that up on technology. Are you saying footage from a HD cameras is less fakeable than from cell phone?

I know this--that most of the youtube videos that seem to show 'convincing-looking' UFOS are called fake fake fake now, BECAUSE it is very easy, apparently to use software to create the illusion

I asked one person who said that this video was hoax and bragged about how he can di it dead easy IF he could fake some of the UFO film footage that is PRE-computers with the easily available software, and he came back quick with 'of COURSE!'--so then I said so HOW then can you know this is fake? And he never. get it? replied

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I totally agree. However, I'm more referring to the ways some UFO groups can improve their chances of getting their point across. I'm sure some of you are familiar with a show on the History Channel called "UFO Hunters". That show is THE WORST display of UFO hunting I know. The group will spend an hour theorizing how something can be faked or mistaken for a UFO only to realize in the end that such scenarios were impossible in the first place because of an obvious variable.

In one episode, they were documenting military personnel guarding a nuclear facility. They chased this orange light into the forest and then it disappeared. The "scientist" in the UFO group tried to rule in the possibility of the light from the lighthouse near the facility as being mistaken for a UFO. They did all sorts of photographic measurements, making a detailed model, re-enacting the whole scenario...for over an hour. Only to find out in the end that a lighthouse doesn't shine anywhere but out into sea because a concrete block permanently blocks light from shining onto land.

My point is: they can do infinitely better than that.

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FishOilTheKid said:
Right, or spontaneous visions while sober.  I had what I think was a vision of a craft as it looked superimposed over reality like the imagery was controlled from my subjective experience.  But, I don't know what the message was and what this might have to say about the existence of material beings and craft.  A vision of a craft intelligently presented conjured from the subjective experience says what about the UFO phenomenon??  That there exists some intelligent force that is using a projection to convince people of the real thing??  This seems odd to me like obscuring the Truth with the Truth or something like a false flag op.

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