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Mr.FunGuy
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1st Grow- Thinkin of changing from PF TEK to Doc's WBS TEK...Good idea?
#14811623 - 07/23/11 12:12 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Iv'e been reading lots of teks and threads lately, and Im thinking of Passin on the BRF PF Tek for my first grow, and goin with Doc's WBS Tek...Just seems easier to me, and I just like the whole grain spawn method opposed to the BRF cake method...Seems like it would take less time to colonize, and would be easier to avoid contams....right or wrong? Should I just stick with the PF TEK? or go with the WBS?
Edited by Mr.FunGuy (07/23/11 12:20 AM)
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audiophoenix
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Re: 1st Grow- Thinkin of changing from PF TEK to Doc's WBS TEK...Good idea? [Re: Mr.FunGuy]
#14811644 - 07/23/11 12:20 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Right. I honestly don't see a reason to start off with PF Tek unless you are just really bad at following directions and making sure things get done correctly. Grain and bulk is pretty much where you will end up so you might as well start doing it. It's no more difficult to make grain spawn, but it will require some more tedious steps. If you got the PF TEK down pat go for it. Post pics of the results
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Re: 1st Grow- Thinkin of changing from PF TEK to Doc's WBS TEK...Good idea? [Re: audiophoenix]
#14811684 - 07/23/11 12:32 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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I would use Rye before WBS, but that is just my opinion.
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Re: 1st Grow- Thinkin of changing from PF TEK to Doc's WBS TEK...Good idea? [Re: sixbluntsdeep]
#14811738 - 07/23/11 12:52 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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personally i like WBS, rye is good as well but i stick with WBS but its up to you to if you feel comfortable with going straight to grains rather than doing cakes
i have a fail proof method on how to prep it if followed http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11525679 many guys here have used it and it has worked out well for them
try it. if it works use it. if it doesent look up some other teks and try them until you find what works best for you this hobby is about trial and error, some things work and some dont like i said try a few things and stick with what works best
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Re: 1st Grow- Thinkin of changing from PF TEK to Doc's WBS TEK...Good idea? [Re: noobieshroomie]
#14811768 - 07/23/11 01:03 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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PF Tek was nice because I didn't have to buy a pressure cooker the first time around. I had no idea how much I really wanted to invest in the whole thing. With grain, it's necessary to have one. WBS and rye berries are both fairly cheap. I tried both at the same time my first run of grain. I also used various lids (tyvek, ez felt, micropore tape, silicone injection point). So much just seems to be a matter of preference. And if you look at some of the pictures, BRF cakes can produce some amazing things.
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Mr.FunGuy
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Re: 1st Grow- Thinkin of changing from PF TEK to Doc's WBS TEK...Good idea? [Re: poetic]
#14813305 - 07/23/11 12:17 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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So what should I do? Just go with the BRF PF TEK for my 1st try? Since It's ideal for beginners...? Or should I Do the WBS? My main concearn is getiing contamination, since I dont got a PC...
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Re: 1st Grow- Thinkin of changing from PF TEK to Doc's WBS TEK...Good idea? [Re: Mr.FunGuy]
#14813320 - 07/23/11 12:21 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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NO PC = NO GRAINS
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idlee
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Re: 1st Grow- Thinkin of changing from PF TEK to Doc's WBS TEK...Good idea? [Re: Slayer1024]
#14813369 - 07/23/11 12:34 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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How much do you want? I grow without ego. Some growers think you are cooler the larger your flushes are. It depends what your needs/wants are. Are you hoping to have a few ounces to pass around or are you just trying to makes some nice shrooms for you and some friends? PF tek is time tested, easy, relatively safe way to grow a decent amount of shrooms. If you want large quantities give some bulk grows a try, or if you want to try some other techniques because you like the science of it then have fun experimenting, otherwise play around with PF a few times and see what you can come up with.
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poetic
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Re: 1st Grow- Thinkin of changing from PF TEK to Doc's WBS TEK...Good idea? [Re: Slayer1024]
#14813382 - 07/23/11 12:36 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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If you do not have a PC, you CANNOT go grain. Go with the PF TEK, see how you like doing all of this, and move to grain once you're able to buy a PC. You'll learn the joys of misting and fanning, tub construction, humidity, cakes, etc. There are plenty of people who get great results just using the BRF cakes and those 1/2 pint mason jars.
This is a hobby that requires a bit of up front money. The PF TEK is great for getting your feet wet without seeing a lot of the cost.
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Re: 1st Grow- Thinkin of changing from PF TEK to Doc's WBS TEK...Good idea? [Re: idlee]
#14813394 - 07/23/11 12:39 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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idlee said: How much do you want? I grow without ego. Some growers think you are cooler the larger your flushes are. It depends what your needs/wants are. Are you hoping to have a few ounces to pass around or are you just trying to makes some nice shrooms for you and some friends? PF tek is time tested, easy, relatively safe way to grow a decent amount of shrooms. If you want large quantities give some bulk grows a try, or if you want to try some other techniques because you like the science of it then have fun experimenting, otherwise play around with PF a few times and see what you can come up with.
Ohh I want some fuckin yield no doubt...I aint doin this shit for nothin....I see pics of cakes with onlty 4 shrooms grown on it...they were big shrooms, but fuck, only 4? I want at least 100 shrooms per pan..I see pics all over the shroomery of pans with 500+ in them...Thats what I really want, but 100 per pan will do 4 now...
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idlee
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Re: 1st Grow- Thinkin of changing from PF TEK to Doc's WBS TEK...Good idea? [Re: Mr.FunGuy]
#14813437 - 07/23/11 12:49 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Cakes with 4 shrooms growing on it were probably not handled properly. There are lots of pictures on this forums of PF Tek done properly. The most recent is the 'Cake Porn' thread.
Having said that, it sounds like you want to go for mass quantity and might be happier trying a bulk grow. Or maybe you should start some Rye berry jars and get your transfer on.
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Re: 1st Grow- Thinkin of changing from PF TEK to Doc's WBS TEK...Good idea? [Re: Mr.FunGuy]
#14813455 - 07/23/11 12:52 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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you can get an 8qt pc at wal mart for $39.99. One cake will easily cover that. I recommend a pc even for pf tek, its safer than steaming. Plus with a pc you could divsersify, get a couple syringes, do your homework and try out both methods and see how you like them. Best way to learn anything is to roll your sleeves up and do it
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Re: 1st Grow- Thinkin of changing from PF TEK to Doc's WBS TEK...Good idea? [Re: Mr.FunGuy]
#14813472 - 07/23/11 12:55 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Mr.FunGuy said:
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idlee said: How much do you want? I grow without ego. Some growers think you are cooler the larger your flushes are. It depends what your needs/wants are. Are you hoping to have a few ounces to pass around or are you just trying to makes some nice shrooms for you and some friends? PF tek is time tested, easy, relatively safe way to grow a decent amount of shrooms. If you want large quantities give some bulk grows a try, or if you want to try some other techniques because you like the science of it then have fun experimenting, otherwise play around with PF a few times and see what you can come up with.
Ohh I want some fuckin yield no doubt...I aint doin this shit for nothin....I see pics of cakes with onlty 4 shrooms grown on it...they were big shrooms, but fuck, only 4? I want at least 100 shrooms per pan..I see pics all over the shroomery of pans with 500+ in them...Thats what I really want, but 100 per pan will do 4 now...
In time you will have that, most of those pictures with the sickest nicest pinsets are some sort of isolate or clone. Sometimes people get lucky with awesome pinsets from multispore, but if you haven't grown before.. good luck.
BRF cakes to bulk is going to be your best option without a PC. It's doable, and has been done with good results. Good luck.
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Re: 1st Grow- Thinkin of changing from PF TEK to Doc's WBS TEK...Good idea? [Re: idlee]
#14813508 - 07/23/11 01:02 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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everything takes time and going big at first when you really have no experience might be discouraging and be a down fall.
dont expect pounds and pounds and pounds your first go around. its just not feasible.
i always went for the experience before the m%$^tary gain.
just like my DJ'ing i had to spend around $15,000 - $30,000 and wait 5 years before i seen any comebacks and i still dont get paid enough to cover all thoughs costs.
wont take you this long to get your experience up in this hobby/line of work but taking your time is the most important part in having success.
this is how i did it.
1) BRF jars 2) learn agar successfully 3) take pins and move to agar 4) isolation 5) buy PC 6) learn about grain and transfer to grain (of your choice) 7) grow out and take samples of best growth onto agar again 8) isolate 9) learn about LC and put agar isolate into LC 10) use LC to inoc grain and do bulk.
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Re: 1st Grow- Thinkin of changing from PF TEK to Doc's WBS TEK...Good idea? [Re: sixbluntsdeep]
#14813555 - 07/23/11 01:15 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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You can also do grain spawn, and after colonization put it in compost. Either in a tub, or in a 0.2 micron filter bag with compost already in it. less chance of contam in my opinion. OR, if you're mostly worried about contam, there's invitro bags you can inject, and keep it in the bag from start to finish. usually known as myco/mad bags. that's just a couple other options too.
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Mr.FunGuy
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Re: 1st Grow- Thinkin of changing from PF TEK to Doc's WBS TEK...Good idea? [Re: R0ughHab1tz]
#14813564 - 07/23/11 01:17 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Well I'm definitely Being patient ( I've been waitng for 12 days just to get my check so I can buy my materials) And basically all I do when I'm not at work is sit on here and read and shit....I even read the same things over (like different teks) just to try to learn and understand em...I even have trouble falling asleep at night cuz i'm just constantly thinkin about what I can, and how I can do it, and where im gonna buy my materials, and what I should buy ect...on and on till I finally pass out lol...But I v'e been really looking into bulk, because honestly I really need a little $$$ to pay for the operation and to get some more things that I need...I just basically need a pound of dry cubes...If I can get that with the 2 syringes Im getting I'll be sooo Happy..I'll probably go to church the next sunday..lol ..but yea...do you think a pound is possible?
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R0ughHab1tz
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Re: 1st Grow- Thinkin of changing from PF TEK to Doc's WBS TEK...Good idea? [Re: Mr.FunGuy]
#14813593 - 07/23/11 01:22 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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without isolation and working with MS syringes it can go either way even with working with grain and bulk first.
doing isolation will give you best results in the long run but will take some time and research.
by any means i'm not trying to discourage or anything just giving you the facts of your situation and what you want to do.
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Edited by R0ughHab1tz (07/23/11 01:26 PM)
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Re: 1st Grow- Thinkin of changing from PF TEK to Doc's WBS TEK...Good idea? [Re: R0ughHab1tz]
#14814324 - 07/23/11 04:42 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Dude i'm the same way! Haha. I still do to this day. I as well research everything i can on here on my time off. And a lot of my money has also been invested into this recently. I'm actually doing 3 different ways at the moment.
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Mr.FunGuy
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Re: 1st Grow- Thinkin of changing from PF TEK to Doc's WBS TEK...Good idea? [Re: R0ughHab1tz]
#14817236 - 07/24/11 11:03 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Well, I've made up my mind, and Im going to buy a PC tomorrow when I get paid....I've taken the pros advice on spending a little extra $$$ for sucess...I know It will be well worth my wile...And honestly, If im gonna spend $60 and all my time on this project, and have it all fuck up in the end cause of contam's, I'd much rather spend an extra $40 to drastically reduce my chances of that happening, plus, it opens up more doors of opportunity with what I can do (like use Grain)...So yea...go big or go home...fuck it...I'm even gonna buy 3 syringes instead of 2 so I can use 2 to innoc. 24 half pint jars (cuz I want a shitload of yield), and save one either for next time, or for if I fuck up...Sooo...wish me luck and let me know if this is the best decision...
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Re: 1st Grow- Thinkin of changing from PF TEK to Doc's WBS TEK...Good idea? [Re: audiophoenix]
#14817280 - 07/24/11 11:16 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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audiophoenix said: Right. I honestly don't see a reason to start off with PF Tek unless you are just really bad at following directions
or you dont have a pressure cooker
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