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 Re: Awakening The Warrior Inside [Re: Ara16w]
#14662001 - 06/23/11 07:22 PM (11 months, 16 hours ago) |
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When we start discussing controlling our behavior and adjusting which imprints we expose our consciousness to, it becomes imperative that we eventually ask the question: who programs the programmer?
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Re: Awakening The Warrior Inside [Re: The Whale]
#14662109 - 06/23/11 07:40 PM (11 months, 16 hours ago) |
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Haha well aware of the conspiracies but not worth talking about. I rarily see anyone on the same page. To name a few: Terrence McKenna, Bill Hicks, George Carlin. Find me those kind of people and I'll talk :P.
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Re: Awakening The Warrior Inside [Re: Ara16w]
#14662170 - 06/23/11 07:55 PM (11 months, 16 hours ago) |
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Haha well aware of the conspiracies but not worth talking about. I rarily see anyone on the same page. To name a few: Terrence McKenna, Bill Hicks, George Carlin. Find me those kind of people and I'll talk :P.
Those are my influences as well. Our exposure to their ideologies have imprinted our worldviews, which in turn affect our decision making and models of the world.
But the real question I am getting at regards the nature of meta-programming. If, supposing we are capable of "breaking the matrix" or generally improving our spirituality, there is a greater process that is changing the processes. It's not a conspiracy, unless of course by conspiracy you are referring to the great Mystery.
Robert Anton Wilson put it this way: sit and ask yourself the question, "why am I sitting here reading this post by The Whale?" You will start in a backwards-sequential motion, first answering through your individual decisions today--a sort of causal shuffling. But if you go back far enough you will discover that you are reading this because 'the Scandinavians overfished the North Sea in the 17th Century.' Another important observation is that while contemplating this causal relationship that feeds into the Now, you never actual went anywhere. You're still Now.
Old, old, old energy burns inside of Terence McKenna. But that same energy, brilliance, love, and light is also inside of George Bush and every pimple-headed teenager trying to break your daughter's hymen.
I'd like to conclude this message with a shout-out to Tray Tray and all the boyz at Big Money Studios.
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Re: Awakening The Warrior Inside [Re: The Whale]
#14662237 - 06/23/11 08:07 PM (11 months, 16 hours ago) |
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"why am I sitting here reading this post by The Whale?" You will start in a backwards-sequential motion, first answering through your individual decisions today--a sort of causal shuffling. But if you go back far enough you will discover that you are reading this because 'the Scandinavians overfished the North Sea in the 17th Century.' Another important observation is that while contemplating this causal relationship that feeds into the Now, you never actual went anywhere. You're still Now.
And what would make any individual believe in free will?
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Re: Awakening The Warrior Inside [Re: The Whale]
#14662238 - 06/23/11 08:07 PM (11 months, 16 hours ago) |
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Old, old, old energy burns inside of Terence McKenna. But that same energy, brilliance, love, and light is also inside of George Bush and every pimple-headed teenager trying to break your daughter's hymen.
 Interesting way to put that but I totally agree! Thanks for sharing TheWhale, I always find your contributions very intriguing and well thought out.
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Re: Awakening The Warrior Inside [Re: Icelander]
#14662280 - 06/23/11 08:15 PM (11 months, 16 hours ago) |
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don_vedo said:
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The Whale said:
Old, old, old energy burns inside of Terence McKenna. But that same energy, brilliance, love, and light is also inside of George Bush and every pimple-headed teenager trying to break your daughter's hymen.
Interesting way to put that but I totally agree! Thanks for sharing TheWhale, I always find your contributions very intriguing and well thought out.
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You're probably one of the nicest, encouraging and accommodating people here. Ice was right with initiating you as the Shroomery Greeter.
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And what would make any individual believe in free will?
What would make them believe presumably involves the pursuit of verification of their individual worth and autonomy, which cannot be obtained by defining oneself according to clockwork. We're in discordance with our model of nature though, given our propensity to explain everything in terms of reducible mechanics and patterns; which is at odds with our struggle to free ourselves from that identity.
Personally, I shy away from free will because I don't believe there is even a Self to be free -- which equally does away with determinism.
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Re: Awakening The Warrior Inside [Re: The Whale]
#14662366 - 06/23/11 08:31 PM (11 months, 15 hours ago) |
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I shy away from free will because I don't believe there is even a Self to be free
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Re: Awakening The Warrior Inside [Re: Icelander]
#14665215 - 06/24/11 11:12 AM (11 months, 1 hour ago) |
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Ah, the other programmer. To each their own on that one. I was originally referring to the Illuminati or the George Jefferson fan club, whatever they call themselves these days lol.
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Re: Awakening The Warrior Inside [Re: Ara16w]
#14676581 - 06/26/11 06:28 PM (10 months, 28 days ago) |
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Here's my results on sungazing thus far. I've been posting elsewhere.
"Captain's Log:
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DAY 1: I sungazed for a total of 5 minutes breaking the time up over an hour. The most received at one time was 3 minutes. For about 5 hours following the experience, pressure could be felt on the pineal. I felt giddy the rest of the day and was quite silly while having an increase in my ability to think.
DAY 2: I chased the sunset in my car with a friend. He told me about the highest point in town and I drove up there. Upon arrival he noted, "I forgot the about the trees". We drove a few other places but to no avail.
I stayed up all night and went outside at about 6am to go watch the sunrise. When I first went outside, there was a thin wall of chemtrails obstructing the view of the sun. HAARP was active since the ripple pattern in the chemtrail was clearly visible. I sat on my front porch for 15 minutes waiting for it clear. I had no luck. A 5 mile long haze of chemtrails came in with the wind and I had to return inside and go to sleep.
DAY 3: I've just returned from getting 15 minutes of sun light about 30 minutes ago. I feel INCREDIBLE. I went out to check my plants and ran back to my house on intuition. It's a good distance and I noticed I wasn't winded or tired at all which isn't usual for me. I smoke over a pack of day. It's easy to get winded going up and down stairs lol. I am so impressed by that, but I ended up running the distance back and forth about 4 more times (about a quarter mile) before my legs started getting tired. There's still no heavy breathing.
DAY 4: I stayed up til 6am to once again go watch the sunrise with no success. While I was outside I took pictures of the chemtrails and HAARP I'll be uploading and sharing later. Tomorrow, I'll be going back in the morning to see if the sunrise is even visible here because once again, I can not see through chemtrails.
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DAY 4: About an hour ago I went out to watch the sunset. I achieved a total of 20 minutes. As of now, there's a significant mood improvement, slight pressure on the pineal gland, and a sense of being a little bit giddy. I shall return in the morning.
DAY 5: Achieved 20 minutes today standing under a tree in the rain. Pineal sensation is back with the usual mood improvement. My mind is in a blank state, but I'd call it zen like. It's quite peaceful actually. Yesterday, I had a pineal headache for almost 6 hours. It wasn't severe or all that painful for that matter, just noticeable. We'll see what happens today."
Edited by Ara16w (06/26/11 06:29 PM)
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Re: Awakening The Warrior Inside [Re: Ara16w]
#14677535 - 06/26/11 09:40 PM (10 months, 28 days ago) |
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you have some interesting opinions, but i feel it is too scientific, as if a psychologist were speaking. where are those heart piercing sentences?
i would be careful with the sungazing, im only saying because i care.
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Re: Awakening The Warrior Inside [Re: The Whale]
#14678678 - 06/27/11 04:40 AM (10 months, 28 days ago) |
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Everything in this thread is sweet. I read the whole OP and I think you have everything on lockdown, wise observations for sure. I was actually in deep thought about the feeling of untainted childlike love and how the matrix spoils that before I clicked on this thread - having finished reading the whole thing in autopilot I actually did a bit of a double take because I didn't even notice the transition between my thoughts and your writing took place. Awesome synchronicity for sure.
The funny thing is that all of the things you talked about are directly related to each other even though they appear to be disconnected. They all arise from the constant battle between truth and falsehood that pervades this universe. Nobody can dispute an objective truth, if your hand is on fire then your hand is on fire. However they are always welcome to try and fail horrendously as does happen every time and the strangest thing is that they actually will try every time without fail for as long as they hold a contradictory belief dear to themselves. These idiots are actually a necessary side effect of social progress. After all every now and then comes a fool so foolish and stubborn that they end up proving a previously widely thought truth false and what do we call those people? Geniuses.
This weekend I happened to meet some seriously histrionic people who actually threw me into thinking long and very hard about all the types of things you wrote about the entire way through what should really have been a brainless euphoria seeking bender. One of them was deciding (wat) whether they had slept with someone or not. Forget things like whether or not a dick went into a vagina that night and focus on far more important things such as is it emotionally convenient that it happened and how will my social status change depending on which scenario took place.
That's an instance of the truth being distorted to conveniently fit oddly shaped pegs into holes that kind of match but don't really at the end of it all with disastrous results. Or for example, two people who cheated on their previous partners with each other then proceed to fall viciously into the deepest love of their lives. The relationship is of course fatally flawed from the get-go, each partner in a constant state of paranoia about the other because the whole thing began with broken trust and lies. They can be together for however long it doesn't get to them but at some point it will and it always ends with the stench of burning plastic from the ashes of that imitation rose flower that looked so good from afar but never breathed a breath of true life.
But we have to understand that this all comes hand in hand with the process of evolution and the emergence of complexity over time. DNA-based adaptation takes a while to figure things out (roll a couple of billion dice, bound to roll some consecutive sixes somewhere along) and in the grand scheme of things, communication between life forms is in its infancy and human language is like the pregnant baby of communication.
The majority of the problems come because we're shifting from eating each other to putting each other to work as a global modus operandi and being absorbed in the intricacies of the arrangement of the dust in the air for five hours straight would get you killed and eaten sharpish in the past. So instead we develop short attention spans flicking through points of interest and all the information we swap has to get to the damn point fast (note the heavily ironic tl;drs in this thread).
It's much easier to say "I feel too ill to work today" than "I had this wild ass night involving a series of extremely funny encounters that culminated in a pounding hangover and penises drawn all over my face in permanent marker which will not come off and my body has calculated that the most energetically favourable configuration of spacetime involves my head in good proximity of the toilet for the rest of the day". Both things convey essentially the same thing but one does it with far less information.
The point is that we can't reproduce objective truths without the signal being distorted somewhat. Primitive language sucked for communication in the same manner that a shitty megapixel photo doesn't quite capture that earth-shaking bliss you experienced peaking on brain melting doses of acid while watching the sunset and listening to your favourite song on the beach.
This combined with the perpetual establishment of equilibrium moment to moment and the growing information content of the universe creates what you refer to as the matrix, a state where the humans aren't truly living but act in servitude to their chosen masters - the waves of thought-forms washing through the ocean of the collective mind. Plugged into this matrix we experience a parody of reality - being jostled around by a combo of habit conditioning, us-or-them driven instincts and our chosen river of bullshit.
It's hilarious in a very grim way when you think about it, that the most vicious wars and painful conflicts (e.g. communism vs capitalism vs gasthejewsism) in history mainly happened because instead of being able to provide the exact GPS coordinates to the relevant point in the abstract world of ideas it was an intergalactic game of "hot or cold". The inadequacy of language in conveying things is bad enough as it is when every statement is 100% true, that would rapidly and inevitably approximate the actual truth over time anyway.
What throws it into absolute chaos is the egoic distortions that make false statements take precedence over truth in the overmind simply because of power, money and comfort. The prime reason any tyrant has power in the first place is because they know it's a game of chinese whispers, whoever whispers the loudest and silences the others wins the mini game of "how many idiots can you dupe into signing away their lives for your selfish gain".
The return to nirvana? Being absolutely truthful about absolutely everything allows you to relax your brain and navigate the world using those powerful instincts we've developed over the last few billion years. It's ironic that the very aspect of the body which the matrix abuses to sustain mass fear is also the most perfectly tuned instrument of bliss available.
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When we start discussing controlling our behavior and adjusting which imprints we expose our consciousness to, it becomes imperative that we eventually ask the question: who programs the programmer?
It's a funny question you ask and I always think about it too. I say "God" is who programs the programmer. Consider the beginning of the universe whereby the information content was nil. A true representation of perfect simplicity would be all that existed at that point. But now the information content is obscene and given this trend of increase, perhaps it's going to end in an infinitely complex state.
As time goes on, Earth learns more through a process of trial and error. Every so often it learns something about learning and we have an explosion in complexity. Ironically that very explosion of complexity soon takes up all its processing power and at some point another explosion of complexity occurs when it figures out whatever pattern is optimal for progress.
Think of what would happen if we completely understood/mapped out the human brain and learnt how to program it like a computer. Language would be obsoleted, having essentially served its purpose and we would have to move beyond being sapient to being demigods. And you ask, who's calling the shots? But look back, the only thing truly calling the shots and programming anything is that which was doing it from the get go - that which is unmovable but moves everything else.
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Re: Awakening The Warrior Inside [Re: Ara16w]
#15795354 - 02/11/12 09:52 PM (3 months, 15 days ago) |
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DAY 4: About an hour ago I went out to watch the sunset. I achieved a total of 20 minutes.
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Re: Awakening The Warrior Inside [Re: cbub]
#15796098 - 02/12/12 01:55 AM (3 months, 15 days ago) |
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yo, ban this no good thread resurrecta.
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Re: Awakening The Warrior Inside [Re: zZZz]
#15796192 - 02/12/12 03:16 AM (3 months, 15 days ago) |
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plan was to provide a link to 'Eat the Sun' documentary discussed in this thread. I watched it recently on cultureunplugged.com, but the link is dead now :\
Like it's some sort of forbidden knowledge. The guy's retinas get damaged from sungazing, still I practice it and the feeling is amazing. 'I'll stare into the sun, till I understand or go blind'
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Re: Awakening The Warrior Inside [Re: cbub]
#15799391 - 02/12/12 05:46 PM (3 months, 14 days ago) |
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I was just kidding.
Feeling the sun is enough for me.
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Re: Awakening The Warrior Inside [Re: zZZz]
#15800002 - 02/12/12 07:51 PM (3 months, 14 days ago) |
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OP, you still around?
How goes the sungazing? Can you still see?
Thanks for the post.
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Re: Awakening The Warrior Inside [Re: mrspirit2]
#15800772 - 02/12/12 10:04 PM (3 months, 14 days ago) |
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Thank you for the wonderful post i read every single word , as this comes across very coincidental and relevant to me at the moment.
Like literally every section of that post has been experienced of late in some way shape or form and i have constantly been tripping people out my whole life whilst riding the flow 
Thank you again
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Re: Awakening The Warrior Inside [Re: Withinity]
#15801019 - 02/12/12 10:54 PM (3 months, 14 days ago) |
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No coincidences! you'd get bumped just for the effort of writing all this OP and may you be resurrected again and again, It'll always find the willing eyes! good thread 
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Re: Awakening The Warrior Inside [Re: cbub]
#15802004 - 02/13/12 07:23 AM (3 months, 14 days ago) |
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Ha! fuck logic! And screw preconceptions about people and the system! We created it, now we get to take the shit, it is no more than one reaction leading to another, one choice leading to another.
Fuck the system, im not going to believe in objective truth because assuming that i am right about anything will only make things worse.
can we do anything but to trust our own senses to tell us what is right or wrong?
assuming that i can tell what is true or not is probably the most stupid thing ive ever done.
lets just keep going til it ends and then have a nice piece of nirvana or whatever.
Everything i say is a lie!
At least i found some nice music in here.
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Re: Awakening The Warrior Inside [Re: Rincewind]
#15815846 - 02/15/12 08:10 PM (3 months, 11 days ago) |
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Im glad this post got bumped because I found it very helpful! Thanks for all the great advice and the good read Ara16w! 
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