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 Re: WARNING HAARP IS US NEXT VICTIM!!! LEAVE THE SOUTH EAST US IMMEDIATELY (New Madrid - Gas)  [Re: johnm214]
#14604487 - 06/13/11 05:18 AM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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Shins' quote from wikipedia discusses delegating the authority to create silver certificates, but actually the provision in question was related to pretty much everything to do with silver and silver backed notes: including decirculating them and getting rid of the silver, which is what they did. Given the order stayed in effect after JFK was gone, it doesn't even make any sense given this never happened.
given that the price of silver had exceeded the face value of the notes and
the coins an the increase in currency that exceeded the quantities of
precious metals held in reserves it seems quite sensible that the order
wouldnt have put more into circulation. if Reagan had revoked the order then
wouldnt we be using silver certificates again?
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Re: WARNING HAARP IS US NEXT VICTIM!!! LEAVE THE SOUTH EAST US IMMEDIATELY (New Madrid - Gas) [Re: Shins]
#14604492 - 06/13/11 05:19 AM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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E.O 11,110 caused the de-circulation of silver certificates and basically did away with the silver that backed them. This gave more power to the fiat currency and thus the Federal Reserve.
E.O. 11,110 did the opposite of what you claimed it did or threatened to do.
Can you back this up? i think you misunderstand the order.
Do you realize that when you trade in the certificate for real silver it de-circulates?
just as it does when you trade it for any other form of currency like a federal reserve note
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Re: WARNING HAARP IS US NEXT VICTIM!!! LEAVE THE SOUTH EAST US IMMEDIATELY (New Madrid - Gas) [Re: Prisoner#1]
#14604504 - 06/13/11 05:24 AM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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Shins said:
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E.O 11,110 caused the de-circulation of silver certificates and basically did away with the silver that backed them. This gave more power to the fiat currency and thus the Federal Reserve.
E.O. 11,110 did the opposite of what you claimed it did or threatened to do.
Can you back this up? i think you misunderstand the order.
Do you realize that when you trade in the certificate for real silver it de-circulates?
just as it does when you trade it for any other form of currency like a federal reserve note
No it doesn't lol.
If i trade you a silver certificate for a dollar bill does it disappear? no.
The only thing that disappeared was the silver backing to said certificate.
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Re: WARNING HAARP IS US NEXT VICTIM!!! LEAVE THE SOUTH EAST US IMMEDIATELY (New Madrid - Gas) [Re: Shins]
#14604518 - 06/13/11 05:35 AM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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Shins said:
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Prisoner#1 said:
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Shins said:
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BlimeyGrimey said:
E.O 11,110 caused the de-circulation of silver certificates and basically did away with the silver that backed them. This gave more power to the fiat currency and thus the Federal Reserve.
E.O. 11,110 did the opposite of what you claimed it did or threatened to do.
Can you back this up? i think you misunderstand the order.
Do you realize that when you trade in the certificate for real silver it de-circulates?
just as it does when you trade it for any other form of currency like a federal reserve note
No it doesn't lol.
If i trade you a silver certificate for a dollar bill does it disappear? no.
The only thing that disappeared was the silver backing to said certificate.
so, tell us how the silver evaporates
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Re: WARNING HAARP IS US NEXT VICTIM!!! LEAVE THE SOUTH EAST US IMMEDIATELY (New Madrid - Gas) [Re: Prisoner#1]
#14604559 - 06/13/11 05:58 AM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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The only thing that disappeared was the silver backing to said certificate.
Key word; to
To clarify; The thing that disappeared was the ability to redeem the certificates for silver.
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Re: WARNING HAARP IS US NEXT VICTIM!!! LEAVE THE SOUTH EAST US IMMEDIATELY (New Madrid - Gas) [Re: Shins]
#14604587 - 06/13/11 06:24 AM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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but cant you also redeem the federal reserve notes for silver?
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Re: WARNING HAARP IS US NEXT VICTIM!!! LEAVE THE SOUTH EAST US IMMEDIATELY (New Madrid - Gas) [Re: Prisoner#1]
#14604593 - 06/13/11 06:27 AM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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but cant you also redeem the federal reserve notes for silver?
Nope, you can trade them though, they don't de-circulate when you do that.
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Re: WARNING HAARP IS US NEXT VICTIM!!! LEAVE THE SOUTH EAST US IMMEDIATELY (New Madrid - Gas) [Re: Shins]
#14604648 - 06/13/11 07:07 AM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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but cant you also redeem the federal reserve notes for silver?
Nope, you can trade them though, they don't de-circulate when you do that.
wow... so in your roundabout, convoluted way you've said I could buy
silver with either silver certificates or federal reserve notes and in
fact the government has saved us money by not shredding federal reserve
notes until they were worn out as opposed to shredding them upon redemption
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silver_Certificate
Since 1968 they have been redeemable only in Federal Reserve Notes and are thus obsolete, but are still valid legal tender
re·deem (r-dm)
tr.v. re·deemed, re·deem·ing, re·deems
1. To recover ownership of by paying a specified sum.
2. To pay off (a promissory note, for example).
3. To turn in (coupons, for example) and receive something in exchange.
4. To fulfill (a pledge, for example).
5. To convert into cash: redeem stocks.
6. To set free; rescue or ransom.
7. To save from a state of sinfulness and its consequences. See Synonyms at save1.
8. To make up for: The low price of the clothes dryer redeems its lack of special features.
9. To restore the honor, worth, or reputation of: You botched the last job but can redeem yourself on this one.
pur·chase (pûrchs)
tr.v. pur·chased, pur·chas·ing, pur·chas·es
1. To obtain in exchange for money or its equivalent; buy.
2. To acquire by effort; earn.
3. To move or hold with a mechanical device, such as a lever or wrench.
n.
1.
a. The act or an instance of buying.
b. Something bought.
c. Acquisition through the payment of money or its equivalent.
2. A grip applied manually or mechanically to move something or prevent it from slipping.
3. A device, such as a tackle or lever, used to obtain mechanical advantage.
4. A position, as of a lever or one's feet, affording means to move or secure a weight.
5.
a. A means of increasing power or influence.
b. An advantage that is used in exerting one's power.
trade (trd)
n.
1. The business of buying and selling commodities; commerce. See Synonyms at business.
2. The people working in or associated with a business or industry: a textile-exporting publication for the trade.
3. The customers of a specified business or industry; clientele.
4. The act or an instance of buying or selling; transaction.
5. An exchange of one thing for another.
6. An occupation, especially one requiring skilled labor; craft: the building trades, including carpentry, masonry, plumbing, and electrical installation.
7. The trade winds. Often used in the plural with the.
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Re: WARNING HAARP IS US NEXT VICTIM!!! LEAVE THE SOUTH EAST US IMMEDIATELY (New Madrid - Gas) [Re: Prisoner#1]
#14604697 - 06/13/11 07:52 AM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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Wow, you;re really going out on a limb now...
Why is it so hard for you to accept what i said?
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wow... so in your roundabout, convoluted way you've said I could buy
silver with either silver certificates or federal reserve notes
No i didn't, there's a major key difference; When you trade a silver certificate for silver the certificate is de-circulated since there is a limited amount of treasury silver in exact proportion to the silver certificates.
You don't "buy" silver with silver certificates. you already own the silver, you just take physical ownership of what you already own.
When you buy silver from someone like the treasury or a coin shop, those notes are not de-circulated. They continue to persist and affect inflation/deflation accordingly.
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fact the government has saved us money by not shredding federal reserve notes until they were worn out as opposed to shredding them upon redemption
I don't quite understand are you sure you understand how fed notes work?
"not shredding federal reserve notes" is inflationary, so it devalues it's purchasing power... this doesn't "save money" it loses it
you can only "redeem" federal reserve notes for other federal reserve notes or "redeem" a federal reserve note by using it to pay off debt.
Your redemption is freedom from debt slavery.
Only... there are only enough fed notes to cover the principle and not the interest when all debts are totaled up.
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Re: WARNING HAARP IS US NEXT VICTIM!!! LEAVE THE SOUTH EAST US IMMEDIATELY (New Madrid - Gas) [Re: Prisoner#1]
#14604745 - 06/13/11 08:14 AM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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The consequence between the differences of silver certificates and fed notes as money are as follows;
Silver certificates are only issued in proportion to the amount of physical silver that the treasury has, no more.
Fed notes have no limit on issuance other than the unwillingness of people and government to take on debt.
The fed notes are extremely inflationary in this regard, and robs everyone who owns fed notes of their purchasing power in a very communist type of way.
Only with communism the debt would be owned by the treasury, and thus the people, not a private central bank.
With the added factor of interest on this debt, it is impossible for people to redeem their debt obligations in totality.
This is why the national debt to these private bankers keeps growing exponentially.
it's a massive ponzi scheme.
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Fed notes have no limit on issuance other than the unwillingness of people and government to take on debt.
In the case where no one is willing to take on debt, this external interest creates dramatic deflation and a general major economic crisis.
They have us stuck between a rock and a hard place as long as we do not reform this monetary system.
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Re: WARNING HAARP IS US NEXT VICTIM!!! LEAVE THE SOUTH EAST US IMMEDIATELY (New Madrid - Gas) [Re: Shins]
#14604753 - 06/13/11 08:23 AM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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Only with communism the debt would be owned by the treasury, and thus the people, not a private central bank.
one solution to this problem that Abraham Lincoln (assasinated) tried with greenbacks is as follows;
The treasury issues all of the monetary notes itself, and owes the money to itself.
There is absolutely no interest (Note: like Islamic banking) on this debt that the people owe to themselves.
This way we have a legal tender currency to trade with without the entrapment of a monolithic private banking ponzi scheme.
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Re: WARNING HAARP IS US NEXT VICTIM!!! LEAVE THE SOUTH EAST US IMMEDIATELY (New Madrid - Gas) [Re: Shins]
#14604759 - 06/13/11 08:28 AM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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There are a few other presidents who threatened the Federal reserve who were assasinated;
Andrew "I killed the fed" Jackson.
and
President Garfield.
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Re: WARNING HAARP IS US NEXT VICTIM!!! LEAVE THE SOUTH EAST US IMMEDIATELY (New Madrid - Gas) [Re: Shins]
#14604765 - 06/13/11 08:35 AM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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Now, pris, i hope you are still with me.
You have to now realize that the major players in this monolithic ponzi scheme are the major players in the Zionist movement.
I'm of course talking about the Rothschild dynasty.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rothschild_family
The Balfour declaration was written to the Rothschild family.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_Declaration_of_1917
You have to realize that this Zionist movement is a conspiracy against Jews, and that modern Judaism has been infiltrated and corrupted!!!
you need to understand this to understand my views on Judaism/Zionism
The Jewish faith says that the Jews cannot return to Israel before they arrival of the messiah.
Zionism and their corrupted, anti-torah "Judaism" destroys the possibility of this prophecy!!!
The messiah is the "christ!"
Zionism is "anti-christ!"
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Re: WARNING HAARP IS US NEXT VICTIM!!! LEAVE THE SOUTH EAST US IMMEDIATELY (New Madrid - Gas) [Re: Shins]
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Re: WARNING HAARP IS US NEXT VICTIM!!! LEAVE THE SOUTH EAST US IMMEDIATELY (New Madrid - Gas) [Re: Shins]
#14605045 - 06/13/11 10:48 AM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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"not shredding federal reserve notes" is inflationary, so it devalues it's purchasing power... this doesn't "save money" it loses it
printing unbacked money is inflationary, are you somehow under the
impression that there was no fiat currency prior to the the kennedy
administration or something, the reason we were taken off the silver
standard was to eliminate the disparity between that fiat currency
and the backed currency, as silver prices rose the value of those
certificates would have increased to a point where all silver coins
would have been melted and recast as bullion and the certificates could
only be redeemed for an equal weight in bullion, in turn anyone using
those certificates as currency would have felt the effects of inflation
since they'd only be buying $10 in goods for the equal denomination of a
silver certificate
to avoid inflation on backed currency silver coins would have to be
collected, melted and alloyed before being restruck as the value of the
metals increased... a never ending process, coins would have been diluted
to a small percentage of silver by today's standard, this is the reason
gold, silver and copper are no longer used. it's a system that wouldnt
allow for economic growth
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you can only "redeem" federal reserve notes for other federal reserve notes or "redeem" a federal reserve note by using it to pay off debt.
you can 'redeem' federal reserve notes for goods and services, this would
be a temporary debt incurred by taking possession of those goods or
contracting the services
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Re: WARNING HAARP IS US NEXT VICTIM!!! LEAVE THE SOUTH EAST US IMMEDIATELY (New Madrid - Gas) [Re: Shins]
#14605046 - 06/13/11 10:48 AM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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Wow, you;re really going out on a limb now...
Why is it so hard for you to accept what i said?
now you know why i PMed you for assistance lol
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Re: WARNING HAARP IS US NEXT VICTIM!!! LEAVE THE SOUTH EAST US IMMEDIATELY (New Madrid - Gas) [Re: Shins]
#14605048 - 06/13/11 10:49 AM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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You have to realize that this Zionist movement is a conspiracy against Jews, and that modern Judaism has been infiltrated and corrupted!!!
I see... yet more racism
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Re: WARNING HAARP IS US NEXT VICTIM!!! LEAVE THE SOUTH EAST US IMMEDIATELY (New Madrid - Gas) [Re: Shins]
#14605066 - 06/13/11 10:55 AM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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There are a few other presidents who threatened the Federal reserve who were assasinated;
Andrew "I killed the fed" Jackson.
and
President Garfield.
hahahaha.... lemme guess, jackson was assassinated by terrorists with bioweapons
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_jackson
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Jackson was a lean figure standing at 6 feet, 1 inch (1.85 m) tall, and weighing between 130 and 140 pounds (64 kg) on average. Jackson also had an unruly shock of red hair, which had completely grayed by the time he became president at age 61. He had penetrating deep blue eyes. Jackson was one of the more sickly presidents, suffering from chronic headaches, abdominal pains, and a hacking cough, caused by a musket ball in his lung that was never removed, that often brought up blood and sometimes made his whole body shake. After retiring to Nashville, he enjoyed eight years of retirement and died at The Hermitage on June 8, 1845, at the age of 78, of chronic tuberculosis, dropsy, and heart failure.
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Re: WARNING HAARP IS US NEXT VICTIM!!! LEAVE THE SOUTH EAST US IMMEDIATELY (New Madrid - Gas) [Re: Prisoner#1]
#14605604 - 06/13/11 01:12 PM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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he was killed, EO 11100 was a reason. reagon revoked it
end of story lol
And how do you know this?
order 11100 had nothing to do with putting the nation on the silver standard or whatever you claim it did. It established a commission to study and recommend how to increase public participation in elections.
Your posts are not clear, you have often make bare declarations, and I hope you can see that this isn't helpful. If youd make a proper argument with stated premise, logic, and conclusion derived from the logic, then at least you would be communicating your reasoning.
Free.Your.Mind: you have not replied to these questions nor the point made that the order in question caused the decriculation of the silver notes and the depletion of government silver stores. If your going to make claims that others are incorrect, then address the points challenging your claims.
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Why are so concerned what you think I am or am not doing when communicating with another member?
You ad hominem all the time so you've got room to talk!
You are lost in vocabulary. your posts are lost in logicalism, and are a drag---for me personally.
Do not worry about points you think I have missed when talking to others. Let them deal with that. What point are YOU making--apart from protecting your homies.
I'm not interested in discussing my personal motivations with you: stick to the topic.
I see you've claimed once more than you've observed others engaging in problematic behavior. You said "you ad hominem all the time". What evidence of this do you have? If your going to divert the conversation to this point, I assume you can back up this statement.
Finally, do not give me instructions on what I can or can not talk about. If you want a private conversation with other members then the message board is not the place for it. If you do post publically, your points may be debated by anyone. Please address the points you've ignored and the rebuttals to your claims.Quote:
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Shins' quote from wikipedia discusses delegating the authority to create silver certificates, but actually the provision in question was related to pretty much everything to do with silver and silver backed notes: including decirculating them and getting rid of the silver, which is what they did. Given the order stayed in effect after JFK was gone, it doesn't even make any sense given this never happened.
given that the price of silver had exceeded the face value of the notes and
the coins an the increase in currency that exceeded the quantities of
precious metals held in reserves it seems quite sensible that the order
wouldnt have put more into circulation. if Reagan had revoked the order then
wouldnt we be using silver certificates again?
I'm not sure if you've misinterpreted what I said: I made a mistake in the last sentence. My point was supposed to be that if the order did affet an increase in silver backed notes or the silver standard, as shins and free yoru mind claimed, then why didn't that happen despite it being in place for quite a number of years? I agree with you.
There was disatisfaction with the silver backed notes for a while, and given the price rise of the metal, it was going to cost a bunch of money to print new notes. For that and a variety of reasons, the order's intent was clear: give the Treasury the managerial authority (not the fed, a congressional body) over the notes and silver, and get rid of it: I believe by minting coins and bullion.
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Re: WARNING HAARP IS US NEXT VICTIM!!! LEAVE THE SOUTH EAST US IMMEDIATELY (New Madrid - Gas) [Re: johnm214]
#14605780 - 06/13/11 01:46 PM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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"Finally, do not give me instructions on what I can or can not talk about. "
Ditto. Now go away.
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