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 Kickle
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 Why did the Buddha 
#14586494 - 06/09/11 06:38 PM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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Abandon his wife and child? And why even after his enlightenment did he not seek them out?
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Re: Why did the Buddha [Re: Kickle]
#14586509 - 06/09/11 06:41 PM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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Why do you think he should have?
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Kickle
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Re: Why did the Buddha [Re: OneU]
#14586537 - 06/09/11 06:48 PM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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I didn't realize I had insinuated that he should have done anything in particular. I'm interested in why he did what he did. After all, according to his words, he is the way.
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Re: Why did the Buddha [Re: OneU]
#14586539 - 06/09/11 06:49 PM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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OneU said:
Why do you think he should have?
Interesting question.
I would imagine he abandoned them to strip himself off all material things/possessions leading him to understand the 4 noble truths; abandoning ones family would have given him freedom from being bound to other beings instead of focusing all attention upon himself.
Why he wouldn't go back after enlightenment stumps me or leaves me at a loss for words, since he understood enlightenment and understood that every moment was a chance to be enlightened by living the moment for what it was ten why would it not be ok to enjoy the company of family?
Interesting questions indeed kickle.
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Re: Why did the Buddha [Re: Kickle]
#14586654 - 06/09/11 07:12 PM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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Kickle said:
Abandon his wife and child? And why even after his enlightenment did he not seek them out?
For the same reason I would most likely. 
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Re: Why did the Buddha [Re: Icelander] 2
#14587176 - 06/09/11 09:13 PM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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Perhaps for the same reason that Jesus said "If anyone comes to Me, and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be My disciple."? (Luke 14:26)
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Re: Why did the Buddha [Re: deCypher]
#14587224 - 06/09/11 09:23 PM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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deCypher said:
Perhaps for the same reason that Jesus said "If anyone comes to Me, and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be My disciple."? (Luke 14:26)
Interesting, I haven't read this passage before. Will definitely ponder this, definitely makes me look at it from a different light.
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Re: Why did the Buddha [Re: Kickle]
#14587369 - 06/09/11 09:59 PM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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Expedient means?
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Re: Why did the Buddha [Re: don_vedo]
#14588129 - 06/10/11 12:31 AM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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Kickle said:
Abandon his wife and child? And why even after his enlightenment did he not seek them out?
Alright I'll play.
He "abandoned" his wife and child because he knew they would impede his quest to end his suffering. He didn't even say goodbye since he knew that would only serve to make it more difficult for him.
Sounds selfish right? 
After his enlightenment he didn't seek them out because there was no reason to. If there had it would have meant that he placed more value on them than other people..or anything really.
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don_vedo said:
Why he wouldn't go back after enlightenment stumps me or leaves me at a loss for words, since he understood enlightenment and understood that every moment was a chance to be enlightened by living the moment for what it was ten why would it not be ok to enjoy the company of family?
Under this philosophy it's not OK to enjoy anything because things can be taken from you. Even happiness is suffering since it inevitably ends, or at least has the potential to...which causes you to suffer by hoping it stays.
See?
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Re: Why did the Buddha [Re: Cups]
#14588149 - 06/10/11 12:35 AM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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Cups said:
Under this philosophy it's not OK to enjoy anything because things can be taken from you. Even happiness is suffering since it inevitably ends, or at least has the potential to...which causes you to suffer by hoping it stays.
See?
That makes a lot of sense, I probably should have stopped and thought about it a little harder. Thanks for sharing cups, much appreciated brother!
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Re: Why did the Buddha [Re: don_vedo]
#14588206 - 06/10/11 12:48 AM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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It's counter-intuitive for most people. I see tons and tons of people absolutely sure they want enlightenment...but IMO they don't have any idea what the fuck they are talking about.
Having spent some time pondering these things I can see why the East came up with the idea of karma to explain why such an infinitely small fraction of people are capable of fully checking out.
Well it explains everything really, but it helps with this as well.
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Re: Why did the Buddha [Re: deCypher]
#14588375 - 06/10/11 01:31 AM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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deCypher said:
Perhaps for the same reason that Jesus said "If anyone comes to Me, and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be My disciple."? (Luke 14:26)
Most likely. Nice addition. Were the capital letters your own emphasis? I really like the focus 
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c0sm0nautt said:
Expedient means?
And after the destination is reached?
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Kickle
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Re: Why did the Buddha [Re: Cups]
#14588454 - 06/10/11 01:54 AM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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Cups said:
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Kickle said:
Abandon his wife and child? And why even after his enlightenment did he not seek them out?
Alright I'll play.
He "abandoned" his wife and child because he knew they would impede his quest to end his suffering. He didn't even say goodbye since he knew that would only serve to make it more difficult for him.
Sounds selfish right?
No more than anything else we do. Just more direct.
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Cups said:
After his enlightenment he didn't seek them out because there was no reason to. If there had it would have meant that he placed more value on them than other people..or anything really.
So why did he teach and have favored disciples?
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Re: Why did the Buddha [Re: Kickle]
#14589044 - 06/10/11 06:42 AM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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actually he did return to his wife and child....
he left because he wanted to find the truth to why there is suffering. he saw an ascetic who seemed not to care about the pain of the world around him, so siddhartha followed that path...then he came home years later, his son Rahula joined the sangha as a monk as did his wife....
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Re: Why did the Buddha [Re: Kickle]
#14589377 - 06/10/11 10:15 AM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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Kickle said:
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c0sm0nautt said:
Expedient means?
And after the destination is reached?
Well I meant for the wife and child.
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Re: Why did the Buddha [Re: Cups] 1
#14589445 - 06/10/11 10:35 AM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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Under this philosophy it's not OK to enjoy anything because things can be taken from you. Even happiness is suffering since it inevitably ends, or at least has the potential to...which causes you to suffer by hoping it stays.
I really think, or at least I hope this is NOT what the buddha meant by suffering. It's fine to enjoy anything that comes to you or that you desire or prefer. What causes suffering is the attachment to the continuation of that desire or preference. Without attachment the world just is and brings us things to enjoy and pain (pain is different than suffering).
To expect the human organism to not have preferences and attempt to attain them is ridiculous imo. Even the buddha decided not to sit any more and got up and walked.
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Re: Why did the Buddha [Re: Kickle]
#14589456 - 06/10/11 10:38 AM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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Kickle said:
No more than anything else we do. Just more direct.
fair enough
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Kickle said:
So why did he teach and have favored disciples?
Well he taught for the same reason he returned to his family as Jack notes...because he was asked. Or at least that's the story. To teach by a god and to return by the family.
As for the favored disciple thing this quote comes to mind.
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Not half, but man's entire life is established on friendship, companionship and association with the good.
They tie friendship into an extension of loving kindness. In truth I imagine being a buddha is fairly lonely having a few disciples who even begin to grasp how you see things would be nice.
Definitely kinks in the system though IMO.
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Kickle
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JackofSpades said:
actually he did return to his wife and child....
he left because he wanted to find the truth to why there is suffering. he saw an ascetic who seemed not to care about the pain of the world around him, so siddhartha followed that path...then he came home years later, his son Rahula joined the sangha as a monk as did his wife....
Oh? Source? That's cool.
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Re: Why did the Buddha [Re: Icelander]
#14589475 - 06/10/11 10:43 AM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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I really think, or at least I hope this is NOT what the buddha meant by suffering. It's fine to enjoy anything that comes to you or that you desire or prefer. What causes suffering is the attachment to the continuation of that desire or preference. Without attachment the world just is and brings us things to enjoy and pain (pain is different than suffering).
Maybe Deff can comment more on it since he's really studied it, but I don't see it. If you desire/prefer something then it stands to reason there is that which you do not desire/prefer. 
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Icelander said:To expect the human organism to not have preferences and attempt to attain them is ridiculous imo. Even the buddha decided not to sit any more and got up and walked.
Only after a god asked him to. He was going to sit there and diminish as the story goes.
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