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 The Chronic
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 Re: Why did the Buddha  [Re: Poid]
#14599887 - 06/12/11 10:40 AM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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Maybe you could relate it to DMT or something poid, in that state where you are totally disconnected from the body, what is there to possibly be narcissistic about?
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Are you telling me that it's possible for a human to be in that state indefinitely without the aid of drugs?
Why do you believe these things? 
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Re: Why did the Buddha [Re: Poid]
#14599901 - 06/12/11 10:45 AM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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I don't believe that i ever came into or went out of that state
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Poid
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Why, because there is no "I" to come in or go out, or some crap like that? 
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Re: Why did the Buddha [Re: Poid]
#14599913 - 06/12/11 10:49 AM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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Nope, it's because when i honestly look at who i am, with no preconceptions, then that is what i feel as my experience
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Poid
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So if you never came into or went out of that state, that means you've never even experienced that state.
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Re: Why did the Buddha [Re: Poid]
#14599921 - 06/12/11 10:52 AM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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You can temporarily experience what you always are
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That's because life is temporary.
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Re: Why did the Buddha [Re: Poid]
#14599957 - 06/12/11 11:08 AM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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Every created thing is temporary, if something comes into existence it must go out of existence, if something has a start point it must have an end point
There must be an existence that precedes things that 'come into' or 'go out of' existence in order that they appear in the first place, an existence with no start or end
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There must be an existence that precedes things that 'come into' or 'go out of' existence in order that they appear in the first place, an existence with no start or end
Why, because you say so?
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Re: Why did the Buddha [Re: Poid]
#14599972 - 06/12/11 11:12 AM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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I think its just common sense, if your father & mother did not exist then you would not
In order to give birth there must be an existence preceding that is alive
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The Chronic said:
Every created thing is temporary, if something comes into existence it must go out of existence, if something has a start point it must have an end point
There must be an existence that precedes things that 'come into' or 'go out of' existence in order that they appear in the first place, an existence with no start or end
There must be an existence that precedes things that 'come into' or 'go out of' existence in order
I don't see why. It seems that is an unknown.
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Re: Why did the Buddha [Re: Poid]
#14600004 - 06/12/11 11:28 AM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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Maharshi loved himself, did he not? See, narcissist. 
Sure, but if you see literally no boundary between you and the "external" world...narcissism becomes something entirely different in that context would you not agree?
Filled with Self love and self-less at the same time.
(big S, small s)
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Re: Why did the Buddha [Re: Icelander]
#14600036 - 06/12/11 11:42 AM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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Icelander said:
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The Chronic said:
Every created thing is temporary, if something comes into existence it must go out of existence, if something has a start point it must have an end point
There must be an existence that precedes things that 'come into' or 'go out of' existence in order that they appear in the first place, an existence with no start or end
There must be an existence that precedes things that 'come into' or 'go out of' existence in order
I don't see why. It seems that is an unknown.
I know that i can't know existence, that i can only be existence
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Re: Why did the Buddha [Re: Kickle] 1
#14607222 - 06/13/11 06:13 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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actually he did return to his wife and child....
he left because he wanted to find the truth to why there is suffering. he saw an ascetic who seemed not to care about the pain of the world around him, so siddhartha followed that path...then he came home years later, his son Rahula joined the sangha as a monk as did his wife....
Oh? Source? That's cool.
Here's a link to an mp3 talk given by Ven. Bhikku Bodhi giving background on the circumstance surrounding Siddhartha's departure from his wife and child, along with a sutta, or oral instruction he gave directly to Rahula after he, himself became a disciple of the Buddha.
http://www.bodhimonastery.net/courses/MN/MP3/M0143_MN-062.mp3
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The Hairy Gown and Mossy Cell,
Where I may sit and rightly spell,
Of every Star that Heav'n doth shew,
And every Herb that sips the dew;
Till old experience do attain
To somthing like Prophetic strain.
These pleasures Melancholy give,
And I with thee will choose to live.
-Milton's Il Penseroso
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Re: Why did the Buddha [Re: vredstein]
#14607282 - 06/13/11 06:25 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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thanks for the link 
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Re: Why did the Buddha [Re: Kickle]
#14607321 - 06/13/11 06:35 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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Yah great link brother thanks a lt for the link!
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The Chronic said:
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Icelander said:
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The Chronic said:
Every created thing is temporary, if something comes into existence it must go out of existence, if something has a start point it must have an end point
There must be an existence that precedes things that 'come into' or 'go out of' existence in order that they appear in the first place, an existence with no start or end
There must be an existence that precedes things that 'come into' or 'go out of' existence in order
I don't see why. It seems that is an unknown.
I know that i can't know existence, that i can only be existence
Then you admit that claim was pure speculation on your part?
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― Robert Anton Wilson
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Re: Why did the Buddha [Re: Poid]
#14608012 - 06/13/11 08:43 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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That's because life is temporary.
"Death is not the opposite of Life, Birth is the opposite of Death. Life is all things in all forms and formlessness."
Poid, you approach everything with an ounce of skepticism and a touch of arrogance in that you think your way is the way. If you notice, no one that is truly 'spiritual' will every do what you do. They will not impose their own thoughts or beliefs on others because each being has a unique delicacy in coming to, awakening, being, realizing, or whatever is used to term that sense of no longer being asleep (metaphorically).
These traits you hold on to (among many others) only weigh you down in the depths of the ocean of Spirit. Until you let them go, you cannot hope to reach the surface.
It is hard for me to say these things because in so many ways can they be seen as an insult, but they aren't intended to be.
Before you ask another skeptical question, sit and ask yourself where the question comes from. Does it come from an insecurity of your identity? Does it come from the ego? Or does it come from somewhere else, and where?
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Re: Why did the Buddha [Re: OneU]
#14608087 - 06/13/11 08:58 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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If you notice, no one that is truly 'spiritual' will every do what you do. They will not impose their own thoughts or beliefs on others because each being has a unique delicacy in coming to, awakening, being, realizing, or whatever is used to term that sense of no longer being asleep (metaphorically).
Then spiritual people in this forum are few and far between. Which is what I've always thought.
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“under the present brutal and primitive conditions on this planet, every person you meet should be regarded as one of the walking wounded. we have never seen a man or woman not slightly deranged by either anxiety or grief. we have never seen a totally sane human being.”
― Robert Anton Wilson
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