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 ivander
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 Re: Are the mods here aliens?  [Re: johnm214]
#14580110 - 06/08/11 04:31 PM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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The kid of support where 'aggressive'(again for the lack of better term) attitude toward certain ideas, threads, posters is tolerated, while on the other hand, where those 'whack jobs', and crazy ideas threads are locked.. with really interesting reasons. IDK, dont ask me to point to specific stuff. I dont care. I Cant prove anything. Its just something I picked up, since Im frequent observer of this forum from when it was set up.
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Re: Are the mods here aliens? [Re: ivander]
#14580294 - 06/08/11 05:05 PM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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ivander said:
The kid of support where 'aggressive'(again for the lack of better term) attitude toward certain ideas, threads, posters is tolerated, while on the other hand, where those 'whack jobs', and crazy ideas threads are locked.. with really interesting reasons. IDK, dont ask me to point to specific stuff. I dont care. I Cant prove anything. Its just something I picked up, since Im frequent observer of this forum from when it was set up.
Fair enough, but without some examples, this remains just your impression- subject to all the typical misconceptions and failings our minds are prone to when examining information on an ad hoc basis.
It is worthwhile to keep in mind that simply because their are a disproportionate amount of "out-there" conspiracy topics locked does not mean that they are held to a different standard or locked because of their subject matter or a moderator's views as to them.
I think its just a selection bias: those who are anti conspiracy theory don't make new threads as they have little to start a new discussion with, while the pro conspiracy people make a disproportionately larger share of new threads, hence having more of their threads get locked.
Additionally, those who feel strongly about their ideas or the subject are often found making propoganda-style new threads with simply an article or video and a single sentence description. These threads violate the rules and get locked as well.
Finally, remember that the forum rules, written by Prisoner#1, explicitly state that threads locked for lack of sufficient original content are closed without prejudice. As such, I don't really see the locked threads as much of a problem given anybody can make another thread if they comply with the rules- even pasting the exact same video/article.
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Re: Are the mods here aliens? [Re: johnm214]
#14580395 - 06/08/11 05:24 PM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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I don't think I've been on your case, particularly. While I think we disagree more often than not and I feel we have different views, I don't think any interactions have been out of the ordinary. To be fair, you did call me a racist in our first conversation, but i don't think I let that influence my views of your posts. I don't think I've ever warned or banned you, either.
lol, it doesn't matter whether YOU think you have been on my case. Obviously you wont admit it, but it is true. Constantly demanding I do things in a threatening and hostile manner, and claiming I cannot put forth a valid argument and other stuff---beware dud or I'll hunt YOUR stuff out as well. Let us all get it on the table.
What happens is that you will diatraibe me, and the trolls who share your worldview come in with provocative unjustified remarks, and including the moderator ..who then will pm me a official warning because tis ME whose supposed to have flouted a rule?. When all around that flouting is agoing on thick and fast and is NOT 'seen'. Understand?
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Yes, I am a moderator for the chemistry and science forums here- other forums I may deal with if the assigned moderators are logged out and something needs done or if our Illuminati liaison requests I handle it.
OK, so your a mod. So you should then be aware when people break the rules? So how come you are not on THEIR case then?
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What do you make of this: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14578928#14578928
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I see you have a list of comments you attribute to a user. I don't see how this list establishes the bias or abuse amongst the moderator staff that you allege, as you've not suggested any moderator before me was even aware of these posts, let alone that they would have handled them differently if it had been you who made those posts or someone else.
The user is adequately naming hisself 'BOREDSTIFF'. You can see--I can see--he is breaking all the rules. He is trolling and being disrespectful to other members, including me! IF me calling someone else --'snoot'--a fool got me an offical warning almost immediately after I posted it, how come this guy gets away with breaking ALL the rules?
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You first complained about the post in #14578306 about 25 minutes after it was posted, and then started touting it as an example of biased moderating and special treatment being given to posters whom are the "moderator's pet" about three hours after that.
It doesn't matter WHEN i complained about it, thats beside the point. Rules are ruels and this should apply to ALL members...right?
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Do you have some reason to believe that if you had made that same post you would have received an infraction within three hours? As you've not indicated you even reported this issue and the comment is, even now, only something like 8.5 hours old, I doubt any moderator even looked at it before me. As such, its hard to see how this could document some abuse or double standard. Even if someone had seen the post, you don't provide any explanation for why you think it would have been treated differently if you or another poster authored the post.
I have tried to report him but when I have was told that that thread is alrady being looked at. I showed it you because you are focussing all your shit on me, and not these others who are doing worse than what you claim I am supposed to be doing.
(note: moderators don't always announce publicly when an infraction has been issued or when a user has been informally warned. I see you yourself have such infractions that lack an announcement in the thread in question. You should therefore be cautious in your presumptions of how other cases are handled if you haven't been told by the person in question or the moderator who handled it. Only forum-wide bans along with their duration and the category of the infraction are listed openly for the general user base to review.)
All I know is that the members here who continuously flout the rules of conduct yet are the first to lecture, again and again, others how to properly use a forum and debate, in the most disrespectful manner, do not seem in ANY way in dread of being moderated, and we never see them suddenly disappear into the dead of night. Now, why IS that?
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What do you mean "supporting"? Moderators are free to discuss as any other user, and may share their own opinions. Plainly: they are not required to do anything except remain within the rules when they are participating as any other user might. Only when they are carrying out their official functions are they required to remain impartial and fair.
Personally, I don't really see why it matters what a moderator's personal beliefs are. Their personal views have nothing to do with whether they are unfair, biased, or competent, and I would think discriminating on moderator invitations on the basis of viewpoint would be exactly the kind of unfair discrimination zzripz is against.
I am ALL for free mods, and hate rules that stifle creative exploration, but my main point is that if you DO push these rules on members here they MUST then apply to ALL INCLUDING the mods.
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ivander
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Re: Are the mods here aliens? [Re: zzripz]
#14580572 - 06/08/11 06:03 PM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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johnm214 said:
Fair enough, but without some examples, this remains just your impression- subject to all the typical misconceptions and failings our minds are prone to when examining information on an ad hoc basis.
It is worthwhile to keep in mind that simply because their are a disproportionate amount of "out-there" conspiracy topics locked does not mean that they are held to a different standard or locked because of their subject matter or a moderator's views as to them.
I think its just a selection bias: those who are anti conspiracy theory don't make new threads as they have little to start a new discussion with, while the pro conspiracy people make a disproportionately larger share of new threads, hence having more of their threads get locked.
Additionally, those who feel strongly about their ideas or the subject are often found making propoganda-style new threads with simply an article or video and a single sentence description. These threads violate the rules and get locked as well.
Finally, remember that the forum rules, written by Prisoner#1, explicitly state that threads locked for lack of sufficient original content are closed without prejudice. As such, I don't really see the locked threads as much of a problem given anybody can make another thread if they comply with the rules- even pasting the exact same video/article.
You are stating the obvious. Beside im not examining anything, why would I bother doing that? I may wish something is different, but its not on my shoulders to make that change.
Hmm, I understand your viewpoint regarding threads. But its a conspiracy forum. Why would anyone make a thread "THIS IS NOT A CONSPIRACY"... I mean its possible, not probable. I was not speaking about pro and anti people. But more of a pro/anti stance. IDK. I have not read the rules of any single forum, and I never had any problems, nor I was ever given a yellow card.
Now I did not realize that rules were written by prisoner#1 himself. As I was reading that sentence, idea of dictator instantly came to my mind  (no offense OFC)..
Now, I already stated that most interesting case forme was when prisoner locked a cosmonauts thread, and then cosmo unlocked it.. Now prisoner said I cant ever prove that happened.. idk I guess he was right.
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Re: Are the mods here aliens? [Re: zzripz]
#14580817 - 06/08/11 06:57 PM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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Haven't you listened to or comprehended one thing I said to you about understanding the rules? I'm beginning to wonder if you're old enough to post here?
VERY ironic interjection there! You have just BROKE rules.
your also not making sense. On one hand YOU see something wrong with the moderation, and then on other attack me for pointing it out? what is with you? you seem a bit confused
Show me which rule I broke and I'll apologize.
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Re: Are the mods here aliens? [Re: Icelander]
#14580920 - 06/08/11 07:17 PM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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johnm214
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Re: Are the mods here aliens? [Re: zzripz]
#14581057 - 06/08/11 07:47 PM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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)I see you have a list of comments you attribute to a user. I don't see how this list establishes the bias or abuse amongst the moderator staff that you allege, as you've not suggested any moderator before me was even aware of these posts, let alone that they would have handled them differently if it had been you who made those posts or someone else.
The user is adequately naming hisself 'BOREDSTIFF'. You can see--I can see--he is breaking all the rules. He is trolling and being disrespectful to other members, including me! IF me calling someone else --'snoot'--a fool got me an offical warning almost immediately after I posted it, how come this guy gets away with breaking ALL the rules?
Does he get away with breaking all the rules? As I mentioned previously, you seemed to come to this conclusion after three hours having passed and not being notified that the member was banned or warned. This is silly: particularly because it seems that you didn't even report the post to the forum moderators.
As for your claim of discriminatory treatment: you have not shown that it is likely you would have had a warning within three hours had you made that post, so there is no basis for this conclusion. If you feel the matter was handled unfairly after the issue is brought to the attention of the moderators and decided, then you may raise the issue.
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You first complained about the post in #14578306 about 25 minutes after it was posted, and then started touting it as an example of biased moderating and special treatment being given to posters whom are the "moderator's pet" about three hours after that.
It doesn't matter WHEN i complained about it, thats beside the point. Rules are ruels and this should apply to ALL members...right?
Yes it does matter when you complained about it because it takes time for a moderator to become available, review his notifications (which it seems you didn't even submit), review the incident, decipher what are often unintelligible complaints, and finally decide and enact any decision. That no action is taken within three hours does not imply that no action will be taken.
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All I know is that the members here who continuously flout the rules of conduct yet are the first to lecture, again and again, others how to properly use a forum and debate, in the most disrespectful manner, do not seem in ANY way in dread of being moderated, and we never see them suddenly disappear into the dead of night. Now, why IS that?
That is because the Shroomery has cut back on its extraordinary rendition program and is no longer performing night-time abductions.
As far as I can tell, your only well-stated complaint is that some dude called you a sheep earlier today and you had a fit, claiming something should have been done within three hours. If there's some other matter here that you base this discriminatory treatment or other failing on the part of the moderation staff on, you may refer me to it or contact the administration, but I don't believe you've provided anything other than these vague refrences to "members here who continuously flout the rules.
If you want your complaint to be taken seriously your going to need to be specific enough so that we know WTF you're talking about and attempt to confirm your claims. "some members who continuously flout the rules" isn't going to cut it
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Re: Are the mods here aliens? [Re: johnm214] 1
#14581265 - 06/08/11 08:42 PM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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We have an ocelot and a frog posting on here. It's possible there's aliens posting on here.
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Re: Are the mods here aliens? [Re: zzripz]
#14582184 - 06/08/11 11:42 PM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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i KNOW that I was putting down a unique point of view. HOWEVER, a mod thjere--if i remember it was 'prisoner' just LOCKED it because he said someone had posted a vid without any 'argument' or some shit.
copy and paste from another website is not you putting down a unique point
of view, it's you being too lazy to provide your own point of view on
someone else's work
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Now, I look at THIS one..........................what do we see, a big percentage of posts are just posting emoticons
well it seems you see only what you want to see because I see the majority
of posts in this forum as actual discussion between members, then I see a
smaller percentage of posts, like the majority of yours that are simply
copy/paste junk from youtube or conspiracy sites as opposed to adding your
own unique input, sure I find that pretty irritating to sine it's akin to
plagiarism and since the author isnt here we cant discuss it with him and
when we try and discuss it with the 'video posters' we get comments like
"just watch the video" instead of answers
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should i start a thread titled 'do mods make up the rules as they go along?'
will it be pasted from another website without so much as a citation or
any commentary from yourself? that thread will surely get locked
but if it follows the rules it'll stay open and maybe even discussed
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there are 923 words in the english language that do not follow the "I before E"
rule, there are 44 words in the english language that follow the rule. this is
the shit our education funding is paying for and these liberals want more money
for education to keep making students stupid
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We have an ocelot and a frog posting on here. It's possible there's aliens posting on here.
no... just an ocelot, the frog and his puppetmaster are both permabanned
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there are 923 words in the english language that do not follow the "I before E"
rule, there are 44 words in the english language that follow the rule. this is
the shit our education funding is paying for and these liberals want more money
for education to keep making students stupid
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Re: Are the mods here aliens? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#14582267 - 06/08/11 11:57 PM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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Feels bad man.
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I know you think you understand the words I have just said to you but, what you fail to realize is, what you thought I said is not what I actually meant by saying what I said, when I said it.
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Re: Are the mods here aliens? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#14582295 - 06/09/11 12:01 AM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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SprewellSleeve said:
We have an ocelot and a frog posting on here. It's possible there's aliens posting on here.
no... just an ocelot, the frog and his puppetmaster are both permabanned
How could you ?
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Re: Are the mods here aliens? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#14583255 - 06/09/11 04:55 AM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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zzripz said:
i KNOW that I was putting down a unique point of view. HOWEVER, a mod thjere--if i remember it was 'prisoner' just LOCKED it because he said someone had posted a vid without any 'argument' or some shit.
copy and paste from another website is not you putting down a unique point
of view, it's you being too lazy to provide your own point of view on
someone else's work
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Now, I look at THIS one..........................what do we see, a big percentage of posts are just posting emoticons
well it seems you see only what you want to see because I see the majority
of posts in this forum as actual discussion between members, then I see a
smaller percentage of posts, like the majority of yours that are simply
copy/paste junk from youtube or conspiracy sites as opposed to adding your
own unique input, sure I find that pretty irritating to sine it's akin to
plagiarism and since the author isnt here we cant discuss it with him and
when we try and discuss it with the 'video posters' we get comments like
"just watch the video" instead of answers
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should i start a thread titled 'do mods make up the rules as they go along?'
will it be pasted from another website without so much as a citation or
any commentary from yourself? that thread will surely get locked
but if it follows the rules it'll stay open and maybe even discussed
prisoner. you flout the rules, show bias, and are the roots of the problems with this forum. I hope the other guy Free Your Mind reported your arse, and I will support him on that, and I hope other members here who wish to discuss in relative peace what this forum is SUPPOSED to bleedin cater for do the same!
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Re: Are the mods here aliens? [Re: zzripz] 1
#14586685 - 06/09/11 07:19 PM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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zzripz said:
prisoner. you flout the rules, show bias, and are the roots of the problems with this forum. I hope the other guy Free Your Mind reported your arse, and I will support him on that, and I hope other members here who wish to discuss in relative peace what this forum is SUPPOSED to bleedin cater for do the same!
arent you the guy that keeps saying you dont like to follow rules?
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what this forum is SUPPOSED to bleedin cater for
what?
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there are 923 words in the english language that do not follow the "I before E"
rule, there are 44 words in the english language that follow the rule. this is
the shit our education funding is paying for and these liberals want more money
for education to keep making students stupid
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Re: Are the mods here aliens? [Re: Icelander]
#14587648 - 06/09/11 10:56 PM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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Sometimes I wonder. There often seems to be no rhyme or reason to their actions and you can never get any information out of them. Are we being set up?
Are you or are you not a reptilian? You can't ignore the question forever!
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Re: Are the mods here aliens? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#14589036 - 06/10/11 06:34 AM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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zzripz said:
prisoner. you flout the rules, show bias, and are the roots of the problems with this forum. I hope the other guy Free Your Mind reported your arse, and I will support him on that, and I hope other members here who wish to discuss in relative peace what this forum is SUPPOSED to bleedin cater for do the same!
arent you the guy that keeps saying you dont like to follow rules?
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what this forum is SUPPOSED to bleedin cater for
what?
I dont like rules when they are used as bias. Thats what i mean. IF they are imposed, they should refer to everyone. i COULD flame with the best of em, in a creative way, but it aint fair if when I do i would get berated and them not. Clearer?
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Re: Are the mods here aliens? [Re: zzripz] 1
#14589168 - 06/10/11 08:12 AM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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I dont like rules when they are used as bias. Thats what i mean. IF they are imposed, they should refer to everyone. i COULD flame with the best of em, in a creative way, but it aint fair if when I do i would get berated and them not. Clearer?
Clear as bullshit. What you call creative flaming is not flaming according to the forum rules and guidelines and you cannot be "berated" if you are not actually flaming according to those rules and guidelines. You yourself actually do flame people and then substitute your own criteria on this forum for what actually constitutes flaming. It doesn't work that way however.
Please quit  and follow the rules and all will be well.
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Re: Are the mods here aliens? [Re: zzripz]
#14589236 - 06/10/11 09:15 AM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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SprewellSleeve said:
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Prisoner#1 said:
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SprewellSleeve said:
We have an ocelot and a frog posting on here. It's possible there's aliens posting on here.
no... just an ocelot, the frog and his puppetmaster are both permabanned
How could you?
He didn't.
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zzripz said:
prisoner. you flout the rules, show bias, and are the roots of the problems with this forum. I hope the other guy Free Your Mind reported your arse, and I will support him on that, and I hope other members here who wish to discuss in relative peace what this forum is SUPPOSED to bleedin cater for do the same!
Haven't we been over this? If your going to convince anyone that your vague allegations are true, your going to need to submit some coherent argument and evidence.
If you don't want people disagreeing with you, go to the mystery forum where you can ban people for disagreeing with you: apparently that's why its there. If you want to give vague speeches, try your journal. Frankly, given your record, I doubt you'd survive a more rigorous set of rules without being banned.
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what this forum is SUPPOSED to bleedin cater for
???
What exactly is this forum "SUPPOSED to bleedin cater" to, percisely? What basis do you have for this conclusion and how do you conclude that it is not? This seems a pretty arbitrary claim: you are somehow what the forum is supposed to cater to, not the others 
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Re: Are the mods here aliens? [Re: johnm214]
#14589832 - 06/10/11 12:32 PM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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johnm214 = Prisner#1 = wakeboarder =
Me:
icelander:
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Let's rumble. 
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