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#1456862 - 04/14/03 01:14 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Admins/Mods: I wasn't quite sure where to post this, so figured this was as good a place as any, as those suffering the woes of contams should find it helpful...In any case, please feel free to move this thread (and/or to copy the file locally - I honestly do not recall where on the WWW I found it, but have had it for a bit, and thought it worth sharing).
Everyone else: This is just a rudimentary guide to sterilization techniques, lab techniques, pure culture procedures, etc. As the title states, it is predominantly for diagnosing fungi/bacteria which insects harbour, but I think the advice in there is sound for the types of work which we are engaged in....Hope someone finds it helpful.
Since I do not recall where I DL'd it from, I posted it here for people to snag:
http://www.charm.net/~sj/lab_techniques.pdf
HTH,
~YSJ~
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#1457215 - 04/14/03 03:59 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Great find there, Hopefully everyone takes a look at this and can learn something to help them out.
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 Re: Something which is elementary, but which may prove useful... [Re: WildCardsRevenge]
#1457573 - 04/14/03 05:52 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Everyone should read stuff like that. Thanks for the link !
MAIA
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 Re: Something which is elementary, but which may prove useful... [Re: YSJ]
#1457582 - 04/14/03 05:59 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Thanks a lot! Definitely a good read.
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Re: Something which is elementary, but which may prove useful... [Re: Oddish]
#1457663 - 04/14/03 06:24 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'm making this sticky so everyone takes a look at it
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Re: Something which is elementary, but which may prove usefu [Re: WildCardsRevenge]
#1458160 - 04/14/03 09:32 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yeah, I was kinda sold on its usefulness when I saw the following in all caps:
THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS MOSTLY STERILE
and
YOU ARE ONE BIG CONTAMINANT
and
SHORT CUTS = CONTAMINATION
Kinda sums it all up, really ;D
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Re: Something which is elementary, but which may prove usefu [Re: MAIA]
#1459164 - 04/15/03 03:02 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Glad it was useful, and not a prob 
Now, if we could just make up a simple listing of the UNHOLY HORRORS which imbibing of contaminated fruits could bring upon one....That, along with reasons why NOT TO PHUCK AROUND WITH CLEARLY CONTAMINATED JARS. Sheesh.
I keep seeing posts from ppl saying things like "I sniffed this bio-bomb I made and man, was I sick as hell..."
Ok. Not trying to rant here - and besides, it isn't me, it's uh....The booze. Yeah, that's it  - but seriously, folks. Use some common sense.
I was wearing an N-95 breather when I got the scraping to make the slides with that green devil (post below, vide infra). I don't get a huge number of contams (my ratio is actually still pretty damned good, believe it or not, and virtually all vectors have been established, much to my delight), but still, when I *DO* get one, I treat it with respect.
Barring posting a veritable laundry list of evils which can be inflicted upon oneself from messing around w/contams which is so horrifying as to turn the amateur mycologist away from the hobby entirely, is there anything ELSE we can do to instill a proper amount of respect (fear...?) into people about just how nasty contams can be?
Anyone? Any suggestions?
I have a lot of textual stuff on the nasty shite which various opportunistic fungi/bacteria can do, as well as some lit regarding simply receiving horse-doses of shite that wouldn't normally harm those who are not immunocompromised (e.g., the CDC BL handbook addendums lists a few cases of ordinary researchers that got fux0red by things not normally infectious or hazardous to humans, but which receiving a whopping dose of was enough to deleteriously affect their health...) - and, while not trying to be a wet rag, I'm tempted to post a good helping of that sort of info here, just to scare some sense into people.
Please note that I'm not bashing anyone who's ever got sick off a contam - I mean, hell! A mere N-95 was CLEARLY not enough protection against the nasty I was viewing under the 'scope....Those spores are still almost too small to see @ 500X, which would mean they'd probably slip thru an N-95 with little difficulty, which means *I* could fall ill...Contrariwise, I *did* get that sample knowing full well the gamut of risks I faced, so have no one to blame but myself...
Cheers,
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Re: Something which is elementary, but which may prove usefu [Re: YSJ]
#1579800 - 05/26/03 11:49 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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YOU ARE ONE BIG CONTAMINANT.
When you think about it. Life is just a bunch of contaminants eating eachother.
I like mine fried
Edited by psilo9com (05/26/03 11:52 PM)
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Re: Something which is elementary, but which may prove usefu [Re: psilo9com]
#1724618 - 07/17/03 01:44 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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I guess everyone's home/environment is a bit different, some being more prone to contamination than others of various sorts, but I wonder how often we all experience contamination. Even though my own experience is limited (newbie +), just taking basic precautions such as cleaning the innoculation area reasonably well in advance of doing so, busting out the Lysol, taking a shower beforehand, using a mask and rubber gloves, and using the Oven Tek, I've had minimal contams, like 2 jars out of maybe twenty, not too bad of a ratio, especially for a newb - and that's with dogs and cats everywhere in the house.
How do others fare with contams? Think ten-percent is not too bad?
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Re: Something which is elementary, but which may prove usefu [Re: TheHobbit]
#1924723 - 09/17/03 12:03 PM (9 years, 8 months ago) |
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Read it, shit I pinted it and thanks for the link, this should be posted in the FAQ's or something
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Re: Something which is elementary, but which may prove usefu [Re: casper702]
#1959208 - 09/28/03 09:41 AM (9 years, 7 months ago) |
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That information just saved me about 5 minutes of extra work. Thanks guys... I'll think about the shroomery if my birthing is uncontaminated.
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Re: Something which is elementary, but which may prove useful... [Re: YSJ]
#2020862 - 10/18/03 05:43 PM (9 years, 7 months ago) |
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Ha! I remember 7 years ago, when I did my first PF jars. Absolutely no contams at all! And amazing yields.
The thing is, I took no precautions at all. No lysol, glove box, mask or anything. Strange how I've had problems since then AFTER taking precautions. I think I just had really good karma the first time 
Still, I rarely have a problem.
Good luck all...
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Re: Something which is elementary, but which may prove useful... [Re: YSJ]
#2339849 - 02/16/04 03:28 AM (9 years, 3 months ago) |
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Great link. Hope everyone takes a look at it.
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Re: Something which is elementary, but which may prove useful... [Re: YSJ]
#2840371 - 06/29/04 05:14 PM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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Nice find. Good advice, well written a rare thing indeed.
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Re: Something which is elementary, but which may prove usefu [Re: YSJ]
#2882749 - 07/12/04 05:13 PM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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Thanks a lot. Down with contams!
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Re: Something which is elementary, but which may prove usefu [Re: YSJ]
#2901867 - 07/18/04 09:50 AM (8 years, 9 months ago) |
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nice find
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Re: Something which is elementary, but which may prove usefu [Re: raSman]
#2902268 - 07/18/04 01:53 PM (8 years, 9 months ago) |
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All i can say is kick ass
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Re: Something which is elementary, but which may prove usefu [Re: YSJ]
#3078694 - 09/01/04 06:31 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Quote:
YSJ said:
Now, if we could just make up a simple listing of the UNHOLY HORRORS which imbibing of contaminated fruits could bring upon one....That, along with reasons why NOT TO PHUCK AROUND WITH CLEARLY CONTAMINATED JARS. Sheesh.
Maybe we should wait for someone to actually get sick first, before we start telling everyone how sick it will make you.
Has there ever been a documented case?
-FF
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Re: Something which is elementary, but which may p [Re: YSJ]
#3219437 - 10/05/04 07:53 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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do you wanna be the first? That's like being the drunk guy at the party that says "Hey look, i can juggle hot coals"....
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Re: Something which is elementary, but which may prove usefu [Re: pacopaco]
#3329294 - 11/07/04 01:57 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I only wish I had some of those things, very professional.Thanks for the .pdf and gl
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Re: Something which is elementary, but which may prove usefu [Re: fastfred]
#3984416 - 03/29/05 09:17 AM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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Quote:
fastfred said:
Quote:
YSJ said:
Now, if we could just make up a simple listing of the UNHOLY HORRORS which imbibing of contaminated fruits could bring upon one....That, along with reasons why NOT TO PHUCK AROUND WITH CLEARLY CONTAMINATED JARS. Sheesh.
Maybe we should wait for someone to actually get sick first, before we start telling everyone how sick it will make you.
Has there ever been a documented case?
-FF
This isn't proof of anything, but you might wanna read this anyway (guy claims to have gotten sick from cleaning out contammed jars): http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/3454667/an/0/page/0
Also read this: Trichothecene Mycotoxins,
and this: Mycotic Diseases.
The fact is, you don't know what your contaminated jars are harboring and there is always the possibility that, whatever it is, is infectious. People get sick all the time from mold living in their basement closet. I don't see how a jar full of mold spores and/or bacterial metabolites could be considered any less of a risk than a large concentration of fungal spores anywhere else.
You don't need someone to get sick to know that it's stupid to not treat unknown contaminants with respect. I mean, think about it, ANYTHING could be growing in there. Seriously, just about anything. Any mold or bacterial spore that happens to find its way in and isn't killed in sterilization has the potential to multiply and produce billions more before you even notice it.
But go ahead and huff your contams if you want, it's your own choice. As for me, it's not that much more work to be a little bit more careful with them--even throwing away hundreds of contammed jars isn't as expensive as a trip to the emergency room.
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Re: Something which is elementary, but which may prove usefu [Re: ChuangTzu]
#4046550 - 04/12/05 05:11 PM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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good read learnd a lot
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Re: Something which is elementary, but which may prove usefu [Re: poppers]
#4179660 - 05/15/05 09:17 PM (8 years, 7 days ago) |
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What happened to the file? Cant open it and cant save it either.
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Re: Something which is elementary, but which may prove usefu [Re: InjectTruth]
#4210168 - 05/23/05 03:19 PM (7 years, 11 months ago) |
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ditto, url not found
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Re: Something which is elementary, but which may prove usefu [Re: iateshaggy]
#4216656 - 05/25/05 12:41 AM (7 years, 11 months ago) |
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Anybody able to ressurect that file? post it somewhere available? If anyone has it and can e.mail it, please pm me.
Thx
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Re: Something which is elementary, but which may prove usefu [Re: mushrx1]
#4227119 - 05/27/05 05:18 PM (7 years, 11 months ago) |
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oh man... I was reading how everyone loved what they read and was excited to read it myself.
Then click...
...file not found!
This makes me a sad boy 
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Re: Something which is elementary, but which may prove useful... [Re: MAIA]
#4248519 - 06/02/05 04:38 PM (7 years, 11 months ago) |
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I just noticed the link in the first post doesn't work anymore. Somebody might want to fix it, it's the reason this thread is sticky -right?
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Re: Something which is elementary, but which may prove useful... [Re: ummikko]
#4658461 - 09/14/05 06:24 AM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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I'VE GOT IT !!!
I'm not sure it's the same, but this one look quite good !
Have a look here :
http://www.mycotopia.net/discus/messages/5/lab_techniques.pdf
Edit : could an admin edit the first post ? I think it's a must to have for beginners (like me... I'm fighting with contams... !)
Edited by elpy (09/14/05 06:26 AM)
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#4753032 - 10/04/05 07:56 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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ok ......... 
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Re: Something which is elementary, but which may prove usefu [Re: blue1]
#4810650 - 10/16/05 01:35 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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cant see it, fuck is the link dead or something?
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Re: Something which is elementary, but which may prove usefu [Re: ShroomArtist84]
#4810651 - 10/16/05 01:36 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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nevermind got it, very good post!!
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Re: Something which is elementary, but which may prove usefu [Re: ShroomArtist84]
#5148616 - 01/06/06 09:33 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hells yeah thanx for the link mang
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Re: Something which is elementary, but which may prove usefu [Re: Sparknutz420]
#5449823 - 03/28/06 03:42 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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dead link
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Re: Something which is elementary, but which may prove usefu [Re: TheSatanWthn]
#5664188 - 05/23/06 02:24 PM (7 years, 38 minutes ago) |
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the original link to this post is DOA
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Re: Something which is elementary, but which may prove useful... [Re: YSJ]
#5753733 - 06/15/06 04:06 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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That link is dead. Could someone repost it please?
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Re: Something which is elementary, but which may prove useful... [Re: 76degrees]
#5765939 - 06/19/06 01:04 AM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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yeah, that links not workin...
i would really like to learn what so many have said is a great find.
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Re: Something which is elementary, but which may prove useful... [Re: hippie_cune]
#5960780 - 08/13/06 11:53 PM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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we must know!
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Re: Something which is elementary, but which may prove usefu [Re: ExecutionStyle]
#6033093 - 09/05/06 10:39 PM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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link isn't working for me, if someone still has the pdf, email it to me and i'll host it
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Re: Something which is elementary, but which may prove usefu [Re: IGnosticAbhorI]
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Re: Something which is elementary, but which may prove usefu [Re: psilo9com]
#7020612 - 06/07/07 10:00 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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Quote:
psilo9com said:
YOU ARE ONE BIG CONTAMINANT.
When you think about it. Life is just a bunch of contaminants eating eachother.
I like mine fried
Okay that was funny.
Thanks for sharing that guide though.
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Re: Something which is elementary, but which may prove useful... [Re: YSJ]
#9250881 - 11/15/08 08:32 PM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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ORIGINAL LINK IS DEAD
WORKING LINK
(http://www.lubilosa.org/Engl03a.PDF)
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Re: Something which is elementary, but which may prove useful... [Re: Green_T]
#10499535 - 06/13/09 02:30 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Thanks for the updated link
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Re: Something which is elementary, but which may prove usefu [Re: YSJ]
#10635035 - 07/07/09 12:27 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Quote:
YSJ said:
Yeah, I was kinda sold on its usefulness when I saw the following in all caps:
THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS MOSTLY STERILE
and
YOU ARE ONE BIG CONTAMINANT
and
SHORT CUTS = CONTAMINATION
Kinda sums it all up, really ;D
~YSJ~
AGGGGHHHH!!Im a nurse, and that sounds too much like our infection control officer!!!lol!!
Anyway, i really wanted to read this, but the pdf link seems to be dead, its downloading, but when i try to open it, im just being told adobe cant do it!????
Scrap that, just saw GreenT's link, cheers man
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Edited by anabolichendo (07/07/09 12:30 PM)
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Re: Something which is elementary, but which may prove usefu [Re: anabolichendo]
#10701420 - 07/18/09 11:34 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Cool Stuff; saw a section about sterile techniques in there, this will go good with any Droog nfo collection! THnx 
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Re: Something which is elementary, but which may prove usefu [Re: TheHobbit]
#10922710 - 08/23/09 10:53 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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If you only got ten percent contamination then you had better watch your nose grow in the nearest mirror.
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Re: Something which is elementary, but which may prove useful... [Re: YSJ]
#11154320 - 09/30/09 01:31 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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link is broken
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Re: Something which is elementary, but which may prove useful... [Re: Green_T]
#11154322 - 09/30/09 01:32 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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damnit never mind lol
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Re: Something which is elementary, but which may prove usefu [Re: IGnosticAbhorI]
#11325799 - 10/26/09 06:53 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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blue contam>
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Re: Something which is elementary, but which may prove useful... [Re: YSJ]
#11961138 - 02/04/10 01:28 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Maybe renaming this thread something like Sterilization and Cleanliness Techniques or something like that would be a good idea, as to let people know what this thread contains. I just found this now, wish I would've sooner though! I normally wouldn't think twice about it but since this is a sticky I thought it might be useful to clarify.
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Re: Something which is elementary, but which may prove useful... [Re: freemind]
#11967322 - 02/05/10 10:25 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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This was much helpful - Thanks.
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Re: Something which is elementary, but which may prove useful... [Re: Green_T]
#12087224 - 02/24/10 06:37 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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i have been having a huge trich problem recently, hope this helps
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Re: Something which is elementary, but which may prove useful [Re: fastfred]
#12444957 - 04/23/10 06:43 PM (3 years, 28 days ago) |
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fastfred said:
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YSJ said:
Now, if we could just make up a simple listing of the UNHOLY HORRORS which imbibing of contaminated fruits could bring upon one....That, along with reasons why NOT TO PHUCK AROUND WITH CLEARLY CONTAMINATED JARS. Sheesh.
Maybe we should wait for someone to actually get sick first, before we start telling everyone how sick it will make you.
Has there ever been a documented case?
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I have to say I am confused... and very tempted to track down the post I read earlier today... mushrooms are not plants, they do not have roots that suck up the toxins produced by bacteria, nor do they incorporate it into the mycelium. Even if sections of substrate have been contaminated, mushrooms grown elsewhere are not contaminated unless by contact. Those deaths and horror stories you hear? Often from ingestion of 'unsafe' mushroom strains.
So yes, I would love to actually hear a listing of exactly what will happen if a mushroom is ingested from a cake that had a spot of contam. A degree in neurobiology and working in a lab does not make me an expert... for some reason they don't tell you a whole lot about the specifics of eating fungus, can't imagine why! =P
Example: I recently had a cake that was contaminated with blue-green mold. I took it out the incubator and stuck it on the shelf for later decontamination.... and 5 weeks later I stumbled upon it with the growth of bacteria completely halted and it pull of pins and small, healthy looking mushrooms struggling to get out. I've since removed it from the jar and after cutting off the contaminated section have it currently dunked in a water/h202 solution. Can someone conclusively say what will happen if I were to consume the resulting mushrooms?
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Re: Something which is elementary, but which may prove useful [Re: dearrnn]
#12449748 - 04/24/10 04:16 PM (3 years, 27 days ago) |
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> Can someone conclusively say what will happen if I were to consume the resulting mushrooms?
Plenty of people have eaten mushrooms from contaminated cakes. Nobody has ever reported an actual illness from it.
Eating from these cakes is a good way to have a bad trip because of the fearmongering and wives' tales about potential dangers.
People eat moldy bread all the time and prisoners will even horde it as medicine.
If there was any real danger we'd know about it.
For everyone looking to flame me for rejecting OMC lore, provide some proof. Show proof of finding a dangerous contam on BRF or bread or anything of the sort. Otherwise you must admit there is no evidence to support the idea that it's a real risk to consume traces of common contams that grow on grain flours.
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Re: Something which is elementary, but which may prove useful [Re: fastfred]
#12453804 - 04/25/10 03:33 PM (3 years, 26 days ago) |
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Thank you! I'd even venture to say the fungi that can overcome those contams is pretty desirable for it's hardiness...
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Re: Something which is elementary, but which may prove useful [Re: fastfred]
#13871492 - 01/29/11 05:17 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
fastfred said:
> Can someone conclusively say what will happen if I were to consume the resulting mushrooms?
Plenty of people have eaten mushrooms from contaminated cakes. Nobody has ever reported an actual illness from it.
Eating from these cakes is a good way to have a bad trip because of the fearmongering and wives' tales about potential dangers.
People eat moldy bread all the time and prisoners will even horde it as medicine.
If there was any real danger we'd know about it.
For everyone looking to flame me for rejecting OMC lore, provide some proof. Show proof of finding a dangerous contam on BRF or bread or anything of the sort. Otherwise you must admit there is no evidence to support the idea that it's a real risk to consume traces of common contams that grow on grain flours.
-FF
Absolutely! I ate my third flush (fresh) two nights ago. The mycelium had turned greenish/purplish after the first. I had a great trip. I feel totally fine. I had no side-effects, besides what's obviously expected (a little fatigue, etc.) So don't worry about the mushrooms themselves if the mycelium is, in your opinion, "contaminated." Just don't eat the dirty cake!
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Re: Something which is elementary, but which may prove useful [Re: neddypatches]
#14813560 - 07/23/11 03:16 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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I realize I am posting on something that is quit old, but also feel it shouldn't be left in this state. I know nothing, have no proof, nor am I a scientist. What I do know though, is that mold/bacteria/etc have spores much like our magic mushrooms we are trying to grow. So when you let all that bad stuff grow, you are letting those spores out, which will likely land all over your mushroom you are about to eat. Our bodies are strong things able to fight off bad things, but think about it this way, would you eat bread/cheese that had mold growing on it? Having said that I also do not buy into the "bad mushrooms = bad trip" propaganda either. bad trip = bad state of mind with someone wanting to blame something other than themselves. Stuff like "I was at this party eat some mushrooms from some random dude and had this horrible trip", what they don't tell you is that they have been fighting depression and were around a bunch of people they didn't know and trust. Anyway everyone can use their own discretion, but my advice to anyone thinking about eating mushrooms they grew would be this, if it were in your fridge would you eat it? In other words, does it smell like it is supposed to (aka mushrooms) and does it have spots of color it shouldn't? If you apply rules like that to your food, why wouldn't you apply it to the mushrooms you grow. Let's be honest here, you are just trying to justify not throwing out your hard work. I've done it, I get it, but is it worth the risk in the end. Toss them out, start a new grow, you can have they ready to go in no more than a month. Cheers everyone.
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Re: Something which is elementary, but which may prove useful... [Re: Green_T]
#14868205 - 08/03/11 06:52 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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nice thanks for the link
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Re: Something which is elementary, but which may prove useful... [Re: joeystl99]
#15177539 - 10/04/11 07:56 PM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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wheres the working link im really interested in what they use for steralization
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Re: Something which is elementary, but which may prove usefu [Re: Stix]
#15245906 - 10/19/11 04:05 AM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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Hey infact you have searched a great information, if i am not mistaken you have been using the search engines at regular basis on large spectrum.
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Re: Something which is elementary, but which may prove usefu [Re: jasonjason]
#15282547 - 10/26/11 08:54 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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Thank you, good to have.
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Re: Something which is elementary, but which may prove usefu [Re: corpzz]
#15286058 - 10/27/11 03:07 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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Thanks for the great documentation ! A must read for any new comers or to rediscover good habits
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Re: Something which is elementary, but which may prove usefu [Re: paradox85]
#15344700 - 11/09/11 02:54 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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this link is dead
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 Re: Something which is elementary, but which may prove usefu [Re: SherwoodKing]
#15384061 - 11/17/11 02:56 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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Link dead. Any vets here happen to save the file slash know of a mirror?
EDIT: WORKING LINK
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Re: Something which is elementary, but which may prove usefu [Re: siwoofsdeh]
#15469681 - 12/05/11 03:42 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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Thanks for the up - some very useful info indeed.
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Re: Something which is elementary, but which may prove usefu [Re: YSJ]
#16238311 - 05/16/12 04:15 AM (1 year, 5 days ago) |
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Thank you
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Re: Something which is elementary, but which may prove usefu [Re: Timehole]
#16365752 - 06/11/12 03:07 PM (11 months, 2 days ago) |
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I got this webpage cannot be found...is it just me?
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Re: Something which is elementary, but which may prove useful... [Re: jaybird13]
#16465301 - 07/01/12 03:36 PM (10 months, 13 days ago) |
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 Re: Something which is elementary, but which may prove useful... [Re: YSJ]
#16711184 - 08/16/12 11:11 PM (8 months, 29 days ago) |
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Thanks for the link!
Everyone should read stuff like that.
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Re: Something which is elementary, but which may prove useful... [Re: emilyee]
#17379227 - 12/12/12 12:43 PM (5 months, 5 days ago) |
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Is there a mod that can update the Original post with the new link -- probably a bunch of people that could gain from this and not think to check later pages
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Re: Something which is elementary, but which may prove useful... [Re: indahighcountry]
#18197159 - 05/01/13 03:24 PM (19 days, 23 hours ago) |
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Is there a mod that can update the Original post with the new link -- probably a bunch of people that could gain from this and not think to check later pages
Maybe they'll notice if we bump this again
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