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 blingbling
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 species wide brain injury 
#14543957 - 06/01/11 12:25 AM (11 months, 23 days ago) |
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Modern science (or more accurately the brains and minds of modern scientists) continues to interpret a wealth of data from a number of disciplines on the basis of the untested presumption that our neural system is fully functional and at the pinnacle of its evolution.
Such a presumption or untested belief is according to scientific protocol ‘bad science’. Even if there were no hint of dysfunction in the human condition it would be prudent to eliminate the remotest possibility of a flaw in our perception in what is effectively our only tool of investigation. Furthermore, if our brain and its associated perception, psychology and the behaviour and culture it manifests really are a reflection of its advanced ability then surely it would be hard to convince anyone at all that it may be seriously impaired. That an increasing number of leading scholars and academics who have studied human behaviour and evolution are supporting such a scenario is in its self a major paradox.
For the last three years scientists at the Centre for the Mind have been attempting to find out if a higher level of mental functioning may be available to all of us. Professor Allan Snyder has proposed that such functions are latent in everyone and are suppressed by the activity of the ‘evolutionary advanced’ rational side of the brain. By ‘switching off’ the left side of the brain, they hoped to turn ‘normal’ people into ‘geniuses’.
Initially treated with scepticism, recent results have caused shock waves in the scientific community. It appears that a whole new layer of function lies dormant in all of us. Have they found the key to our future evolution or have they unknowingly unlocked an ancient mystery that has its origins in prehistory?
A new theory of human evolution, proposed by Tony Wright and Graham Gynn in ‘Left in the Dark’, convincingly argues that the human brain owes part of its extraordinary development to the biochemistry of a specialist fruit diet. The hormone-related chemicals in tropical fruit initiated an internal hormone mechanism that increasingly promoted brain growth and elevated neural activity. When humans were forced from their tropical forest ‘Garden of Eden’ some two hundred thousand years ago, this link with biochemically rich fruit was lost.
check out
http://leftinthedark.org.uk/introducing
http://chooserightnow.com/node/2
What do you guys and gals think of the possibility of species wide brain injury?
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Re: species wide brain injury [Re: blingbling]
#14543986 - 06/01/11 12:37 AM (11 months, 23 days ago) |
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Also check out:
There's a couple more interviews with tony wright on youtube if your interested.
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"The man with the clear head is the man who frees himself from those fantastic ideas (the characterological lie about reality) and looks life in the face, realizes that everything in it is problematic, and feels lost. And this is the simple truth - that to live is to feel lost - he who accepts it has already begun to find himself, to be on firm ground. Instinctively, as do the shipwrecked, he will look round for something to which to cling, and that tragic, ruthless glance, absolutely sincere, because it is a question of his salvation, will cause him to bring order into the chaos of his life. These are the only genuine ideas; the ideas of the shipwrecked." - Ernest Becker
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Re: species wide brain injury [Re: blingbling]
#14543998 - 06/01/11 12:41 AM (11 months, 23 days ago) |
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blingbling said:
What do you guys and gals think?
I think that you are a few sammiches short of a picnic and that this thread belongs in the conspiracy/mysticism or whatever forums.
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Afraid I am with German K
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
Cause someone has a theory and claims to have made great strides does not make it true nor accepted... I do not believe most biologist would say the human brain or nervous system are the pinnacle of anything.. It's the results of millions of years of 'natural selection', but evolution does not stop cause people came along.
I also do the money test... If someone is out to make a buck on some fringe theory, then I have to be skeptical.... Search the web for 'horizontal water' for a good example
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Quote:
German Kahuna said:
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blingbling said:
What do you guys and gals think?
I think that you are a few sammiches short of a picnic and that this thread belongs in the conspiracy/mysticism or whatever forums.
Aww man, now I want a sammich!
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Re: species wide brain injury [Re: LanLord]
#14544774 - 06/01/11 07:10 AM (11 months, 23 days ago) |
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LanLord said:
Quote:
German Kahuna said:
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blingbling said:
What do you guys and gals think?
I think that you are a few sammiches short of a picnic and that this thread belongs in the conspiracy/mysticism or whatever forums.
Aww man, now I want a sammich!
Make me a sammich!
bro!
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Re: species wide brain injury [Re: tymoteusz3]
#14544848 - 06/01/11 07:38 AM (11 months, 23 days ago) |
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diet and development is tightly linked so sure. intresting
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blingbling
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Re: species wide brain injury [Re: blingbling]
#14547839 - 06/01/11 07:37 PM (11 months, 22 days ago) |
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Yeah I wouldn't take this theory at face value but it does raise some interesting questions. For example: if society is an emergent property of the human mind what do we do if the the human mind is in itself destructive?
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Re: species wide brain injury [Re: blingbling]
#15791680 - 02/11/12 06:59 AM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss this...After looking into it for years and experimenting..it all fits. And what you can experience is beyond our left brains ability to even begin to comprehend
There is a reason why dennis mckenna, winkelman, colin groves, stan grof, and many, many other excellent scientists and minds are behind this. Its because there is a metric fuckton of hard evidence presented.
Heres one good review..carefully read the bottom
"Left in the Dark expounds the most radical reinterpretation of existing evidence from the disciplines of evolution, ecology, neurology, psychology, anthropology and other academic fields, whilst also placing the ancient "Ages of Mankind" mythology and related traditions within a scientific context. These universal traditions were once the only version of history we had, they describe the onset and progression of a neurodegenerative condition that really has left us in the dark. Often considered no more than the imaginings of a primitive mind and easy to dismiss as mere myths, they are in fact a more accurate natural history of humankind than modern science has thus far recognised. The book outlines the origin and nature of a condition that eventually left us virtually blind to its existence. Evidence is cited that supports such a scenario. A means of definitively testing its validity is proposed and most importantly what can be done to treat the condition and prevent its occurrence. While this may seem a challenging prospect it promises amongst other things the restoration of phenomenal abilities, exceptional immune function and most importantly a greatly enhanced state of mind and well being only rarely glimpsed by a tiny minority.
A neurodegenerative theory, such as the one outlined in Left in the Dark, which proposes that the development of our brain has become seriously retarded would accurately predict a number of major psychological symptoms.
For example making sense of who or what we are or recognising the insanity of our day to day behaviour would be virtually impossible.
Furthermore such a theory would predict that even if there were overwhelming evidence to support such a scenario we would be slow to understand the context, specific nature and severity of our predicament, even if it were pointed out in laypersons language!"
put two and two together..(and realize thats only one tiny bit of the mountain of evidence:
our brains stopped the mysteriously rapid expansion and are shrinking
diet affects brain size
He actually launched a new book project a week or so ago in hopes of getting mainstream attention so people can start waking their butts up
www.indiegogo.com/Make-up-your-own-mind
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Re: species wide brain injury [Re: blingbling]
#15791706 - 02/11/12 07:09 AM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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blingbling said:
Modern science (or more accurately the brains and minds of modern scientists) continues to interpret a wealth of data from a number of disciplines on the basis of the untested presumption that our neural system is fully functional and at the pinnacle of its evolution.
Such a presumption or untested belief is according to scientific protocol ‘bad science’. Even if there were no hint of dysfunction in the human condition it would be prudent to eliminate the remotest possibility of a flaw in our perception in what is effectively our only tool of investigation. Furthermore, if our brain and its associated perception, psychology and the behaviour and culture it manifests really are a reflection of its advanced ability then surely it would be hard to convince anyone at all that it may be seriously impaired. That an increasing number of leading scholars and academics who have studied human behaviour and evolution are supporting such a scenario is in its self a major paradox.
For the last three years scientists at the Centre for the Mind have been attempting to find out if a higher level of mental functioning may be available to all of us. Professor Allan Snyder has proposed that such functions are latent in everyone and are suppressed by the activity of the ‘evolutionary advanced’ rational side of the brain. By ‘switching off’ the left side of the brain, they hoped to turn ‘normal’ people into ‘geniuses’.
Initially treated with scepticism, recent results have caused shock waves in the scientific community. It appears that a whole new layer of function lies dormant in all of us. Have they found the key to our future evolution or have they unknowingly unlocked an ancient mystery that has its origins in prehistory?
A new theory of human evolution, proposed by Tony Wright and Graham Gynn in ‘Left in the Dark’, convincingly argues that the human brain owes part of its extraordinary development to the biochemistry of a specialist fruit diet. The hormone-related chemicals in tropical fruit initiated an internal hormone mechanism that increasingly promoted brain growth and elevated neural activity. When humans were forced from their tropical forest ‘Garden of Eden’ some two hundred thousand years ago, this link with biochemically rich fruit was lost.
check out
http://leftinthedark.org.uk/introducing
http://chooserightnow.com/node/2
What do you guys and gals think of the possibility of species wide brain injury?
there is no pinacle of evolution and any scientist knows that.
being more evolved means being able to survive better than other species.
In regard to life on earth we are pretty evolved don't you think?
but if you take an other referencial such as an underground lake, a bacteria living inside is more evolved than us, because we wouldn't be able to survive.
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wow! you must have dug around to find this thread. i've kind of come to the conclusion that what can be understood as symptoms of species wide retardation are in fact an inevitable consequence of being smart enough to realize our own demise. people then project their failings onto others to avoid the threat of death.
this theory does have some evidence though. the move from a hunter gatherer society into an agricultural one could have resulted in brain damage to many people due to the lack of proper vitamins and minerals. however, this is probably just one piece of the puzzle just as my before mentioned idea.
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Re: species wide brain injury [Re: blingbling]
#15791776 - 02/11/12 07:38 AM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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Interesting you all are coming to such solid conclusions without even looking at the evidence..Almost supports that we are all severely deluded, no? 
There is a free .pdf on the book page of his site.
At least read the forward by McKenna :-P http://leftinthedark.org.uk/Files/Foreword%20as%20in%20book.pdf
Terence himself basically outlined this scenario..although it was mushrooms. Not sure if they had anything to do with it now, maybe.. but it seems more likely they came into play later in our history
“ You must cut through the aura of programming and cultural assumptions that sorround us from the moment we are able to speak. The only way this can be done is by dissolving the boundaries of ego. Ego is a structure that is erected by a neurotic individual who is a member of a neurotic culture against the facts of the matter. And culture, which we put on like an overcoat, is the collectivized consensus about what sort of neurotic behaviors are acceptable. “
“the goal can now be stated. What this is all about is a return to archaism. With the lessons learned in history..thats where we were happy. The fall was a fall..into a veil of tears..into a world of limitation and pain and suffering and infectious disease and so forth and so on. It’s a prodigal journey into a lower dimension that can now be ended by a collective cultural decision to commit to this Taoist shamanistic feminized cybernetic caring aware present kind of being. Think of the number of people who suffered and died so that we could sit under this tree this morning.”
Terence talking about symbiosis: “I believe that the lost secret of human emergence..the undefined catalyst that took a very bright monkey and turned that species into a self-reflecting dreamer..that catalyst has to be sought in these alkaloids in the food chain that were catalyzing higher states of intellectual activity.”
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there are no solid conclusions. everything is problematic. i just feel that a lot of people misuse this theory so that they can claim they are more evolved than another because they ate nothing but sticks and berries for two years. imo there is a kind of species wide pathology but i've come to realize that it is more a social phenomena than a dietary one.
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Re: species wide brain injury [Re: blingbling]
#15791803 - 02/11/12 07:52 AM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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I've never heard anyone use this theory to claim they are 'more evolved' than anyone else..But your right many people do think they are 'better' because they do healthier things. But this is just how nuts our society is these days. That says absolutely nothing about the theory. Although i do think people who eat burger king really need to wake the fuck up 
And merely starting a healthy diet is NOT enough to revert the damage completely or lift the left brain dominance in itself. Combinations of techniques (used for thousands of years) in combination with psychedelics is the best way i've found
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how can you have found? have you used psychedelics for thousands of years?
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Re: species wide brain injury [Re: blingbling]
#15791844 - 02/11/12 08:13 AM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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..yoga..meditation..sleep deprivation..shamanic plants..ect ect
All used for thousands upon thousands of years..
hehe, yea i guess my post did sound a bit odd with the wording 
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but how do you know that these practices prevent species wide brain damage? the people who use these practices are just as likely to commit atrocities as any other.
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Re: species wide brain injury [Re: blingbling]
#15791878 - 02/11/12 08:26 AM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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"but how do you know that these practices prevent species wide brain damage?"
I'm not saying they prevent the condition. They are just some techniques employed to quiet the left brain chatter and access the right brain. Theres a reason Wilson and Leary's 8 circuit model fits perfectly with this theory. They intuited as much, but they didn't have the scientific evidence we now have.
"the people who use these practices are just as likely to commit atrocities as any other."
Not saying they aren't. Although that is somewhat debatable, since often the type of person who would want to SERIOUSLY (not just some dude taking mushrooms to get 'fucked up') engage in any of those things in the first place is likely to not be a serial killer, george bush, justin beiber, martha stuart, or some equally brain damaged critter
How many trip reports have we read of people saying things like i 'saw the world in a new way' ..'felt a connection with the earth and my real self that i didn't think was possible' ect. They definitely have the ability to catalyze a huge change in perspective and behavior, although they aren't a total fix and it still is up to you to keep it up afterwards. They also don't seem to do much to completely idiotic people, as most know by now
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How many trip reports have we read of people saying things like i 'saw the world in a new way' ..'felt a connection with the earth and my real self that i didn't think was possible' ect. They definitely have the ability to catalyze a huge change in perspective and behavior, although they aren't a total fix and it still is up to you to keep it up afterwards. They also don't seem to do much to completely idiotic people, as most know by now
you have a point but this is all hear say, and people like to say what they like to hear.
often the type of person who would want to SERIOUSLY (not just some dude taking mushrooms to get 'fucked up') engage in any of those things in the first place is likely to not be a serial killer, george bush, justin beiber, martha stuart, or some equally brain damaged critter
this is completely untrue. tribes living in the amazon which have been exposed to ayahuasca for thousands of years still engage in warfare and are just as crippled by greed as any other, and this has been going on long before westerners set foot on south america. human sacrifice was often coupled with the use of psychedelics.
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Re: species wide brain injury [Re: blingbling]
#15791937 - 02/11/12 08:44 AM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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like i said, just using these things is not fixing the damage thats been done over 200,000 years, but it CAN help some people if used intelligently. Thats not to say they aren't misused, brujeria is a perfect example. And many of the ancient cultures like the mayans who used these things were unbelievably advanced. We still don't understand how they knew what they knew in many respects. It was only later that they're society degraded and eventually fell apart. Sacrifice came into play then when everything got more distorted.
This all doesn't negate the hard evidence we have now anyway. No offence but I don't feel like arguing when you haven't even look at any of it.. Just sayin
The things in fruit modify the endocrine system, they stimulate neural activity, pineal gland functions, and most importanly modify transcription (read the dna) which alters what cells, and ultimately what structures, are built. Hundreds of thousands of these things fueled out brains and bodies for millions of years. We've known this but now we know they're affects on us, and the internal feedback loop they initiated, and the negative one initiated when we left the forest
Its very complex but the logic, at its core, is simple.
If you change the fuel and build materials of a system, the functionality and structure of the system will inevitably change. We've only just begun to apply this same obvious logic to the brain, the most sensitive and complex bio-technological tissue in the known universe..(and biologist katherine milton found our diet (fuel and build materials) now adays contains on average 5% of what it used to..)
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