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Obtaining a gun (under the table)
    #14050205 - 03/01/11 08:17 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I know practically nothing about firearms

I'm interested in purchasing a 9mm from a dealer. He told me that the new nine millimeters hold 16 rounds. I'd like one of these.

I have no criminal record, but I don't want be registered as a gun owner in case another hurricane katrina-type scenario happens again.

I'd like to know a few things before I follow through with this decision:

1. What prices should I expect for a new 9mm with 16 rounds?
-What prices to expect from a reputable dealer vs. an "under the table" dealer?

2.What sort of penalties are there for getting caught with an unlicensed firearm?
-General penalties?
-Crossing over statelines?
-If I use the gun in self-defense and injur or kill someone will I get in trouble?

3. What's a quality, reliable brand or type? And how much should I expect to pay for this?

***I suppose I should add: The plan is to purchase the gun in Nevada, and keep it in California.


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Re: Obtaining a gun (under the table) [Re: insipidtoast]
    #14050408 - 03/01/11 08:49 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

dude... go get a registered gun, or buy one from a friend who you know didn't steal it. having an unlicensed gun isn't the biggest concern, as most are either already licensed, or stolen. so don't fret. if you buy a 9mm from someone you know. just make sure it's not stolen and your golden. it's not illegal to buy and sell guns. unless they have been reported  stolen.


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Re: Obtaining a gun (under the table) [Re: joshisstoned]
    #14050711 - 03/01/11 09:44 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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dude... go get a registered gun, or buy one from a friend who you know didn't steal it. having an unlicensed gun isn't the biggest concern, as most are either already licensed, or stolen. so don't fret. if you buy a 9mm from someone you know. just make sure it's not stolen and your golden. it's not illegal to buy and sell guns. unless they have been reported  stolen.




In most free states, there is no such thing as an "unlicensed gun" or a "registered gun" since you do not need to have a license for a gun nor register it with anyone.  Person-to-person transfers of guns are legal in most states without going through a dealer and nothing generally gets recorded during these transfers.  In any case, even if the seller retains your info for his own piece of mind, nothing gets reported to the state.  Look online at www.gunbroker.com and www.gunsamerica.com to find listings in your state.


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Re: Obtaining a gun (under the table) [Re: ChuangTzu]
    #14050836 - 03/01/11 10:08 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah but check out California gun law: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_California

I believe in Nevada also, you need to have a permit to carry a concealed firearm the legal way.

It would be a friend of mine who would buy the gun from somewhere, then resell it to me.


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Re: Obtaining a gun (under the table) [Re: insipidtoast]
    #14050909 - 03/01/11 10:24 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

http://www.nsrpa.us/legal/nevlocal.html

I'm not sure how to interpret all the jargon, but could I buy a 9mm with cash and not have to have them do a background check on me nor have to show my I.D. or give out my personal information?

Specifically I need help interpreting this:
"Brady Background Check
    All counties implement the national background check through the Nevada Highway Patrol.  By State Law, any private party may access Nevada's background check system for the purpose of checking the background of a potential gun purchaser.  Currently, the check costs $25.00.  Call your local NHP if you wish to access this system. "

Otherwise best to go through a friend. Well, I guess the background check is ok as long as the authorities aren't notified as to why the background check is being performed. However, I assume they would know it's for a gun-purchase. Does the above quote mean that I could potentially find a distributor that wouldn't do a backround check?


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Re: Obtaining a gun (under the table) [Re: insipidtoast]
    #14051060 - 03/01/11 10:49 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

They are notified but they don't keep records that you bought one. Nobody will know you have a gun, only if you have a carry permit or ccw depending on states.

Some states ONLY allow ccw.


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Re: Obtaining a gun (under the table) [Re: Larrythescaryrex]
    #14053704 - 03/02/11 12:06 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

So the police wouldn't know why the background check is being done? They wouldn't be able to distinguish whether it's for a job, a firearm purchase, or something else?


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Re: Obtaining a gun (under the table) [Re: insipidtoast]
    #14055167 - 03/02/11 05:00 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Ok, I've only ever bought rifles and shotguns at stores but this is the way it went down. I fill out form. Shopkeep calls a phone number and has a short conversation. Gun is sold to me. I don't think he even calls the "police" but rather some firearm background check hotline that is ultimately ran through the FBI. To my knowledge records of APPROVED checks are destroyed after 24 hours, but this might have been changed to 180 days. If you are NOT APPROVED, you can appeal this decision by mail, this may require court action to remove incorrect material. The only way you would be refused would be as follows:

- Felon
- Domestic Abuse
- Dishonorable Military Discharge
- Renounciation of US Citizenship
- INVOLUNTARY commission to a mental institute
- Found incompetent by a court of law
- Some drug crimes (which would mostly likely be felonies anyway)

the simplest citation I could find during a 2 minute google search is:
http://www.adjunct.diodon349.com/attack_on_usa/bill_would_preserve_gun_background_check_records.htm

If you are legally able to buy a gun, do it legit. If you are not legally able to buy a gun you should probably not have one because you will get in hella trouble if you due. Defend your home with a crossbow or an axe.


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Re: Obtaining a gun (under the table) [Re: Larrythescaryrex]
    #14055530 - 03/02/11 06:18 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Also Orders of Protection stop you from owning a gun. And if you own one at the time, they take it :kingcrankey:

And it's painful when you refer to the gun as a 9mm with 16 rounds. They have makes and models like cars. That is the way adults talk about firearms.

I am guessing you are looking at a Glock thogh, and on the street id say 200-250


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Re: Obtaining a gun (under the table) [Re: KillerPicklez]
    #14055619 - 03/02/11 06:34 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

9's are for street rats. rock a .40 if you have to have that 9 feel or a .45 if you wanna man up. stopping power!


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Re: Obtaining a gun (under the table) [Re: joshisstoned]
    #14055981 - 03/02/11 07:38 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I rock a Beretta 40 cal... excellent stopping power.

I am buying the full size version of the gun once I am eligible to get my conceal carry permit.


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Re: Obtaining a gun (under the table) [Re: insipidtoast]
    #14056468 - 03/02/11 09:11 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Yeah but check out California gun law: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_California

I believe in Nevada also, you need to have a permit to carry a concealed firearm the legal way.

It would be a friend of mine who would buy the gun from somewhere, then resell it to me.




You might need a permit to carry in Nevada, but you do not need a permit to own, nor do you need to be licensed to own, a gun.  You also don't need to ever register the gun.  California is pretty fucked up and shouldn't be taken as indicative of the way normal states conduct affairs.


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Re: Obtaining a gun (under the table) [Re: insipidtoast]
    #14056488 - 03/02/11 09:16 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Assuming you live in Nevada, you could buy any of these pistols that are being sold by an individual, not a dealer, without undergoing any kind of background check or reporting requirements.  The simplest way is to arrange a face-to-face meeting with the seller and simply buy it on the spot. 

Even if you will pass the background check, there are other reasons to not want to have one done.  For one, even though the government pinky swears that they destroy the records of the background check, they may not be doing so.  Whether you trust them on this or not may have something to do with your decision to do a person-to-person or dealer transaction...


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Re: Obtaining a gun (under the table) [Re: ChuangTzu]
    #14056502 - 03/02/11 09:19 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

i wasn't tryna down the .40, I just love my .45


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Re: Obtaining a gun (under the table) [Re: ChuangTzu]
    #14056837 - 03/02/11 10:17 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I understand you point of view, but if it is "illegal" for them to keep the records but they do anyway, it seems like anything they try to do to you with those records would ultimately be thrown out in court...

I'm sure that the government doesn't care that I bought a 12 ga shotgun 4 years ago at walmart.

I guess it depends on what your ultimate purpose of ownership is.

My handgun was given to me by a relative, who recieved it from a different relative, who took it when my granddad died, so I'm well removed from any chain of records. In fact only two people know I have it. But if I decided I wanted to carry it and I needed to "license" it or something, I'd probably not feel too bad about doing so. But it has sentimental value to me so I wouldn't want to cap some one with it and throw it in a river anyway.


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Re: Obtaining a gun (under the table) [Re: joshisstoned]
    #14056841 - 03/02/11 10:19 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I like my .25 auto.

I think I'd feel like a jerk with some giant handcannon.

Besides, if I can't stop a problem with 7 jacketed hollowpoints, I'm probably fucked to begin with.


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Re: Obtaining a gun (under the table) [Re: Larrythescaryrex]
    #14057141 - 03/02/11 11:22 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

That's why I sold my .357

Everyone looked at me crazy for carrying it around. I mean, it is a big gun


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Re: Obtaining a gun (under the table) [Re: KillerPicklez]
    #14057238 - 03/02/11 11:48 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Went to a couple local shops today. One was nice, had a good selection, friendly staff, and very informative. The other was bigger, but more sparse, had a crappy selection, the people working there asked me too many questions, didn't seem too reassuring about my concerns with the background check, there was a bunch of law enforcement coming in and out of the store, it was next to some recruiting branch for some part of the military, and the clerk informed me that most of the people that take their CCW course are local police, "people learning to kill Afghans", and FBI.

If the background check is done in NV, then the gun ends up in CA, will I be on the list of "gun owners" in Cali, or would they only check my previous Nevada residence for gun confiscation? In any case, you can always just throw the gun away?

"He points to a 2002 Government Accountability Office (GAO) study in which the FBI, over a six-month period, used retained gun sales records to retrieve more than 200 illegally possessed guns. "
-that's scary.

So is this:


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Re: Obtaining a gun (under the table) [Re: insipidtoast]
    #14057276 - 03/02/11 11:54 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

there is no "list" of gun owners....


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Re: Obtaining a gun (under the table) [Re: KillerPicklez]
    #14057339 - 03/03/11 12:06 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Of course there isn't! That would most likely violate some part of the U.S. constitution. The federal government would never violate our constitutional rights.


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Re: Obtaining a gun (under the table) [Re: insipidtoast]
    #14057431 - 03/03/11 12:25 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I can sense the sarcasm but as someone who has bought and sold firearms, there is usually not even paperwork involved when I do gun deals at gun shows or private sells (or if there is it's only for insurance reasons and it's retained by the 2 parties involved).

I just sold my Beretta subcompact and it was easier than selling bubble gum; cash for the gun. He asked questions about the gun, but I didnt ask any questions. Didnt even do a bill of sell because he was a :tinfoil:


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Re: Obtaining a gun (under the table) [Re: KillerPicklez]
    #14058706 - 03/03/11 10:09 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Oh person-person is legal and no problem. It's just those stores where they have to do backround checks. I guess you can always just drive a friend to the store, tell them what you want, they buy it, then you pay them back in $$$


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Re: Obtaining a gun (under the table) [Re: insipidtoast]
    #14059550 - 03/03/11 01:47 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Oh person-person is legal and no problem. It's just those stores where they have to do backround checks. I guess you can always just drive a friend to the store, tell them what you want, they buy it, then you pay them back in $$$





That's actually what I did. He actually ended up buying the wrong gun. He got it in subcompact instead of full size despite being reminded several times before entering. :nonono:

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Re: Obtaining a gun (under the table) [Re: KillerPicklez]
    #14061711 - 03/03/11 07:50 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Of course it is a crime in and of itself to knowingly supply a firearm to someone who isn't legally allowed to possess one.

Why exactly, OP, are you so freaked out here?


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Re: Obtaining a gun (under the table) [Re: Larrythescaryrex]
    #14061729 - 03/03/11 07:52 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

just look in the classified papers and find some old widow who is selling her dead husband's gun, then in a month when she kicks it no one will know you have it. :tongue:


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Re: Obtaining a gun (under the table) [Re: Larrythescaryrex]
    #14061823 - 03/03/11 08:07 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

probably because the OP can not legally own one.


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Re: Obtaining a gun (under the table) [Re: KillerPicklez]
    #14062866 - 03/03/11 10:44 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I daresay.


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Re: Obtaining a gun (under the table) [Re: Larrythescaryrex]
    #14066765 - 03/04/11 04:52 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

when i bought an AK-47 at a gun show the dude didn't even ask for an i.d. when i attempted to produce one he said... "sure, if it makes YOU feel better." i then told him ive got my ccw and he says,"Well you're all the way legit...huh?" they dont give a shit. it's a wink and a nod.


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Re: Obtaining a gun (under the table) [Re: joshisstoned]
    #14069905 - 03/05/11 10:03 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I just want a Glock 34. I'll probably do the CCW class too. I think I'll just buy from a gunshop after all. One shop here gives a free permit course with the purchase of a gun. California won't honor a CCW permit attained in Nevada though. Does anyone know the process for carrying a handgun legally in California?


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Re: Obtaining a gun (under the table) [Re: insipidtoast]
    #14071886 - 03/05/11 07:09 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Does anyone know the process for carrying a handgun legally in California?




If you want a CCW permit in CA you need to apply to the county you reside in.  If you reside in CA, you can't buy a firearm in NV though.  I'm not sure if CA gives out CCWs to non-residents.  Assuming you're a CA resident, you just fill out the appropriate paperwork and submit it to the county sheriff.  Some sheriffs won't give you a permit unless you are related to him or a member of his country club though...

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Re: Obtaining a gun (under the table) [Re: ChuangTzu]
    #14073200 - 03/06/11 12:14 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Bunch of BS! Also, you can't buy a gun in Nevada from a gunshop unless you have some form of Nevada gov't issued ID. That is a fact!


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Re: Obtaining a gun (under the table) [Re: insipidtoast]
    #14073300 - 03/06/11 12:34 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Also, you can't buy a gun in Nevada from a gunshop unless you have some form of Nevada gov't issued ID. That is a fact!



Yup.  That's what I just said.


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Re: Obtaining a gun (under the table) [Re: insipidtoast]
    #14073503 - 03/06/11 01:22 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Wait, you live in CA?

Why not just go into a Cali gun store and buy a fucking gun

Do you have a restraining order against you or something? If you are looking for a great selection of "no question" asked guns, you need to come to Arizona. Despite our fucked drug laws we have very lax gun laws


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Re: Obtaining a gun (under the table) [Re: KillerPicklez]
    #14075224 - 03/06/11 01:36 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

My guess is that he's from NV and lives in CA but doesn't want to become a CA resident and get a CA ID--which is understandable...


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Re: Obtaining a gun (under the table) [Re: ChuangTzu]
    #14075328 - 03/06/11 02:08 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

it all sounds fishy to me :shrug:


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    #14078760 - 03/07/11 01:14 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)



I've been cautious because I've heard mmaaaaaaaaaaaany fucked up things about gun ownership these days. A CCW is nearly impossible to acquire in my county in Cali, but apparently you can carry openly which would probably end up getting you arrested anyway because the cops are so edgy about every little thing.

Plus in Cali you can only use 10 round clips! If you buy a gun in NV that comes with a 16 round clip can you buy 10 round clips for that same gun in CA?


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Re: Obtaining a gun (under the table) [Re: insipidtoast]
    #14081306 - 03/07/11 04:05 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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If you buy a gun in NV that comes with a 16 round clip can you buy 10 round clips for that same gun in CA?




You can, assuming 10 round magazines are made for that gun.


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Re: Obtaining a gun (under the table) [Re: ChuangTzu]
    #14082089 - 03/07/11 06:15 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

damn. ohio is like the old west. I know guys carrying .40 cal's with 30 shot clips absolutely legal. Here, the cops like people with ccw's. For one, you know they're not a criminal, and they've been trained. Normally, when i get pulled over and i tell them i've got my ccw and i do or do not have my weapon on me they usually just hand me back my license and tell me to have a nice day. even when i had a few beers... thanks fellas:wink:


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Re: Obtaining a gun (under the table) [Re: joshisstoned]
    #14082474 - 03/07/11 07:31 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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damn. ohio is like the old west.




No, that's normal in the US.  California is just corrupt.

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I know guys carrying .40 cal's with 30 shot clips absolutely legal.




Where can you get a 30 round magazine for a .40 that you can actually carry?


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Re: Obtaining a gun (under the table) [Re: ChuangTzu]
    #14082488 - 03/07/11 07:34 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

a 30 round magazine is ridiculous for a handgun


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    #14082552 - 03/07/11 07:47 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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a 30 round magazine is ridiculous for a handgun




Unless it's a .22... :tongue:


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Re: Obtaining a gun (under the table) [Re: ChuangTzu]
    #14083088 - 03/07/11 09:07 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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a 30 round magazine is ridiculous for a handgun




Unless it's a .22... :tongue:




even a 22... a 30 round magazine is huge

I am no gun expert but ive never even seen a 30 round clip for a pistol


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Re: Obtaining a gun (under the table) [Re: KillerPicklez]
    #14083344 - 03/07/11 09:54 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I can get one for my P95 9mm
I think it's a 32 rounder to be exact.


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Re: Obtaining a gun (under the table) [Re: KillerPicklez]
    #14083418 - 03/07/11 10:10 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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a 30 round magazine is ridiculous for a handgun




Unless it's a .22... :tongue:




even a 22... a 30 round magazine is huge

I am no gun expert but ive never even seen a 30 round clip for a pistol




I've never seen it either, but I could imagine one being of reasonable size in a .22.  Except that .22 magazines need to be curved because they are rimmed...  So yeah, I dunno...


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    #14083423 - 03/07/11 10:11 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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I can get one for my P95 9mm
I think it's a 32 rounder to be exact.




Sure, they exist, but would you actually carry a pistol with one of those protruding out of the grip around with you?


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    #14083440 - 03/07/11 10:14 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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I can get one for my P95 9mm
I think it's a 32 rounder to be exact.





who makes that, my first gun was a P64, polish gun.


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    #14087095 - 03/08/11 04:46 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

kames sporting goods.

I hope you weren't being a dick or calling me a liar. either way...


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Re: Obtaining a gun (under the table) [Re: joshisstoned]
    #14087113 - 03/08/11 04:47 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Sure, they exist, but would you actually carry a pistol with one of those protruding out of the grip around with you?




if i wanted to. hell yeah!


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Re: Obtaining a gun (under the table) [Re: joshisstoned]
    #14087347 - 03/08/11 05:31 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Sure, they exist, but would you actually carry a pistol with one of those protruding out of the grip around with you?




if i wanted to. hell yeah!




Heh, where would you holster it?


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Re: Obtaining a gun (under the table) [Re: ChuangTzu]
    #14090848 - 03/09/11 06:21 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

in my saddlebag. sometimes i'll keep my .45 on my hip and a .38 in my front pocket. sometimes in my ankle holster. you never know how many guns i have on me at one time. that monster would get tucked onto my 6'2 240 lb frame somewhere.


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Re: Obtaining a gun (under the table) [Re: joshisstoned]
    #14091447 - 03/09/11 11:15 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I dont know how you thought that was an insult. I said I wasnt an expert but that I had never seen a 30 round clip before.

Now I have. And it looks fucking retarded. You not a good enough shot for a standard magazine?


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    #14093102 - 03/09/11 05:19 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

no. i don't own one. but... if someone and some of their friends decided to get frisky... it would be enough for ALL of them. I wouldn't buy something like that. I have an ak-47 w/ a 30 shot clip. W/ the folding stock
I can hide it on my motorcycle without anyne knowing... headed to the range of course.

p.s my new toy. AK-47, ACCEPT NO SUBSTITUTE! i've got 2 now and they are just terrific.



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Re: Obtaining a gun (under the table) [Re: joshisstoned]
    #14093519 - 03/09/11 06:39 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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no. i don't own one. but... if someone and some of their friends decided to get frisky... it would be enough for ALL of them. I wouldn't buy something like that. I have an ak-47 w/ a 30 shot clip magazine. W/ the folding stock
I can hide it on my motorcycle without anyne knowing... headed to the range of course.

p.s my new toy. AK-47, ACCEPT NO SUBSTITUTE! i've got 2 now and they are just terrific.






Fixed that for you.


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    #14093584 - 03/09/11 06:49 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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    #14093619 - 03/09/11 06:56 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

AK's arent very practicle for anything except the firing range and drive by shootings. if someone breaks in your house or your car you are hardly going out spraying an AK

Not saying I wouldnt love to own one, it just wouldnt be my primary.


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    #14093725 - 03/09/11 07:17 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

i def. wouldn't call it my primary weapon. i carry handguns but the ak 's are just grand. had to throw it up there. it's like a typewriter...tink, tink, tink, tink, tink. You're waiting for it to end but it just keeps going. 30 shots is alot. you can chop down tree's with it. pretty neat on a saturday afternoon on the farm. for firewood and such.


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Re: Obtaining a gun (under the table) [Re: joshisstoned]
    #14093756 - 03/09/11 07:22 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I want one.


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    #14097031 - 03/10/11 12:25 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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AK's arent very practicle for anything except the firing range and drive by shootings. if someone breaks in your house or your car you are hardly going out spraying an AK

Not saying I wouldnt love to own one, it just wouldnt be my primary.




An AK makes an excellent primary weapon as long as you don't have to worry about overpenetration, and even then they're great with frangible rounds.  You only bring a pistol to a gunfight if you have to--a rifle is a much better man-stopper.


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Re: Obtaining a gun (under the table) [Re: insipidtoast]
    #14936861 - 08/17/11 01:56 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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2.What sort of penalties are there for getting caught with an unlicensed firearm?
-General penalties?
-Crossing over statelines?
-If I use the gun in self-defense and injur or kill someone will I get in trouble?




I don't know about State law but Federal laws are very strict and they trump State laws. Last time I checked the Federal penalty for possession of a stolen firearm or having a firearm with removed or altered serial numbers was 6 years mandatory in Federal prison. A stolen gun is WORTHLESS and only an IDIOT would have one. If you use a stolen gun in self defense you will be charged with a gun crime regardless of the circumstances. I know someone now that is awaiting trial for killing someone in self defense with a handgun. Problem is he is allready a convicted felon and even though the pistol was not stolen he is still going to get time for the firearm violation. I guess it's better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6 though...


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    #14941769 - 08/18/11 12:39 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I understand. What I'm curious about is if you just buy a handgun off of a friend...


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    #14944816 - 08/18/11 11:56 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

In Ohio it's just fine to sell a pistol to a friend.


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    #14947893 - 08/19/11 04:41 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Ok, that means it's ok anywhere in the U.S. Federal regulation trumps state regulation.


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Re: Obtaining a gun (under the table) [Re: insipidtoast]
    #15074834 - 09/13/11 09:36 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

In most states, person-to-person transfers are fine.  In some states, like California, it's illegal (a dealer must be used).


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