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Obtaining a gun (under the table)
    #14050205 - 03/01/11 08:17 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I know practically nothing about firearms

I'm interested in purchasing a 9mm from a dealer. He told me that the new nine millimeters hold 16 rounds. I'd like one of these.

I have no criminal record, but I don't want be registered as a gun owner in case another hurricane katrina-type scenario happens again.

I'd like to know a few things before I follow through with this decision:

1. What prices should I expect for a new 9mm with 16 rounds?
-What prices to expect from a reputable dealer vs. an "under the table" dealer?

2.What sort of penalties are there for getting caught with an unlicensed firearm?
-General penalties?
-Crossing over statelines?
-If I use the gun in self-defense and injur or kill someone will I get in trouble?

3. What's a quality, reliable brand or type? And how much should I expect to pay for this?

***I suppose I should add: The plan is to purchase the gun in Nevada, and keep it in California.


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Re: Obtaining a gun (under the table) [Re: insipidtoast]
    #14050408 - 03/01/11 08:49 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

dude... go get a registered gun, or buy one from a friend who you know didn't steal it. having an unlicensed gun isn't the biggest concern, as most are either already licensed, or stolen. so don't fret. if you buy a 9mm from someone you know. just make sure it's not stolen and your golden. it's not illegal to buy and sell guns. unless they have been reported  stolen.


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Re: Obtaining a gun (under the table) [Re: joshisstoned]
    #14050711 - 03/01/11 09:44 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

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dude... go get a registered gun, or buy one from a friend who you know didn't steal it. having an unlicensed gun isn't the biggest concern, as most are either already licensed, or stolen. so don't fret. if you buy a 9mm from someone you know. just make sure it's not stolen and your golden. it's not illegal to buy and sell guns. unless they have been reported  stolen.




In most free states, there is no such thing as an "unlicensed gun" or a "registered gun" since you do not need to have a license for a gun nor register it with anyone.  Person-to-person transfers of guns are legal in most states without going through a dealer and nothing generally gets recorded during these transfers.  In any case, even if the seller retains your info for his own piece of mind, nothing gets reported to the state.  Look online at www.gunbroker.com and www.gunsamerica.com to find listings in your state.


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Re: Obtaining a gun (under the table) [Re: ChuangTzu]
    #14050836 - 03/01/11 10:08 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah but check out California gun law: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_California

I believe in Nevada also, you need to have a permit to carry a concealed firearm the legal way.

It would be a friend of mine who would buy the gun from somewhere, then resell it to me.


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Re: Obtaining a gun (under the table) [Re: insipidtoast]
    #14050909 - 03/01/11 10:24 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

http://www.nsrpa.us/legal/nevlocal.html

I'm not sure how to interpret all the jargon, but could I buy a 9mm with cash and not have to have them do a background check on me nor have to show my I.D. or give out my personal information?

Specifically I need help interpreting this:
"Brady Background Check
    All counties implement the national background check through the Nevada Highway Patrol.  By State Law, any private party may access Nevada's background check system for the purpose of checking the background of a potential gun purchaser.  Currently, the check costs $25.00.  Call your local NHP if you wish to access this system. "

Otherwise best to go through a friend. Well, I guess the background check is ok as long as the authorities aren't notified as to why the background check is being performed. However, I assume they would know it's for a gun-purchase. Does the above quote mean that I could potentially find a distributor that wouldn't do a backround check?


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Re: Obtaining a gun (under the table) [Re: insipidtoast]
    #14051060 - 03/01/11 10:49 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

They are notified but they don't keep records that you bought one. Nobody will know you have a gun, only if you have a carry permit or ccw depending on states.

Some states ONLY allow ccw.


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Re: Obtaining a gun (under the table) [Re: Larrythescaryrex]
    #14053704 - 03/02/11 12:06 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

So the police wouldn't know why the background check is being done? They wouldn't be able to distinguish whether it's for a job, a firearm purchase, or something else?


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Re: Obtaining a gun (under the table) [Re: insipidtoast]
    #14055167 - 03/02/11 05:00 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Ok, I've only ever bought rifles and shotguns at stores but this is the way it went down. I fill out form. Shopkeep calls a phone number and has a short conversation. Gun is sold to me. I don't think he even calls the "police" but rather some firearm background check hotline that is ultimately ran through the FBI. To my knowledge records of APPROVED checks are destroyed after 24 hours, but this might have been changed to 180 days. If you are NOT APPROVED, you can appeal this decision by mail, this may require court action to remove incorrect material. The only way you would be refused would be as follows:

- Felon
- Domestic Abuse
- Dishonorable Military Discharge
- Renounciation of US Citizenship
- INVOLUNTARY commission to a mental institute
- Found incompetent by a court of law
- Some drug crimes (which would mostly likely be felonies anyway)

the simplest citation I could find during a 2 minute google search is:
http://www.adjunct.diodon349.com/attack_on_usa/bill_would_preserve_gun_background_check_records.htm

If you are legally able to buy a gun, do it legit. If you are not legally able to buy a gun you should probably not have one because you will get in hella trouble if you due. Defend your home with a crossbow or an axe.


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Re: Obtaining a gun (under the table) [Re: Larrythescaryrex]
    #14055530 - 03/02/11 06:18 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Also Orders of Protection stop you from owning a gun. And if you own one at the time, they take it :kingcrankey:

And it's painful when you refer to the gun as a 9mm with 16 rounds. They have makes and models like cars. That is the way adults talk about firearms.

I am guessing you are looking at a Glock thogh, and on the street id say 200-250


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Re: Obtaining a gun (under the table) [Re: KillerPicklez]
    #14055619 - 03/02/11 06:34 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

9's are for street rats. rock a .40 if you have to have that 9 feel or a .45 if you wanna man up. stopping power!


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Re: Obtaining a gun (under the table) [Re: joshisstoned]
    #14055981 - 03/02/11 07:38 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I rock a Beretta 40 cal... excellent stopping power.

I am buying the full size version of the gun once I am eligible to get my conceal carry permit.


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Re: Obtaining a gun (under the table) [Re: insipidtoast]
    #14056468 - 03/02/11 09:11 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

insipidtoast said:
Yeah but check out California gun law: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_California

I believe in Nevada also, you need to have a permit to carry a concealed firearm the legal way.

It would be a friend of mine who would buy the gun from somewhere, then resell it to me.




You might need a permit to carry in Nevada, but you do not need a permit to own, nor do you need to be licensed to own, a gun.  You also don't need to ever register the gun.  California is pretty fucked up and shouldn't be taken as indicative of the way normal states conduct affairs.


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Re: Obtaining a gun (under the table) [Re: insipidtoast]
    #14056488 - 03/02/11 09:16 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Assuming you live in Nevada, you could buy any of these pistols that are being sold by an individual, not a dealer, without undergoing any kind of background check or reporting requirements.  The simplest way is to arrange a face-to-face meeting with the seller and simply buy it on the spot. 

Even if you will pass the background check, there are other reasons to not want to have one done.  For one, even though the government pinky swears that they destroy the records of the background check, they may not be doing so.  Whether you trust them on this or not may have something to do with your decision to do a person-to-person or dealer transaction...


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Re: Obtaining a gun (under the table) [Re: ChuangTzu]
    #14056502 - 03/02/11 09:19 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

i wasn't tryna down the .40, I just love my .45


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Re: Obtaining a gun (under the table) [Re: ChuangTzu]
    #14056837 - 03/02/11 10:17 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I understand you point of view, but if it is "illegal" for them to keep the records but they do anyway, it seems like anything they try to do to you with those records would ultimately be thrown out in court...

I'm sure that the government doesn't care that I bought a 12 ga shotgun 4 years ago at walmart.

I guess it depends on what your ultimate purpose of ownership is.

My handgun was given to me by a relative, who recieved it from a different relative, who took it when my granddad died, so I'm well removed from any chain of records. In fact only two people know I have it. But if I decided I wanted to carry it and I needed to "license" it or something, I'd probably not feel too bad about doing so. But it has sentimental value to me so I wouldn't want to cap some one with it and throw it in a river anyway.


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Re: Obtaining a gun (under the table) [Re: joshisstoned]
    #14056841 - 03/02/11 10:19 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I like my .25 auto.

I think I'd feel like a jerk with some giant handcannon.

Besides, if I can't stop a problem with 7 jacketed hollowpoints, I'm probably fucked to begin with.


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Re: Obtaining a gun (under the table) [Re: Larrythescaryrex]
    #14057141 - 03/02/11 11:22 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

That's why I sold my .357

Everyone looked at me crazy for carrying it around. I mean, it is a big gun


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Re: Obtaining a gun (under the table) [Re: KillerPicklez]
    #14057238 - 03/02/11 11:48 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Went to a couple local shops today. One was nice, had a good selection, friendly staff, and very informative. The other was bigger, but more sparse, had a crappy selection, the people working there asked me too many questions, didn't seem too reassuring about my concerns with the background check, there was a bunch of law enforcement coming in and out of the store, it was next to some recruiting branch for some part of the military, and the clerk informed me that most of the people that take their CCW course are local police, "people learning to kill Afghans", and FBI.

If the background check is done in NV, then the gun ends up in CA, will I be on the list of "gun owners" in Cali, or would they only check my previous Nevada residence for gun confiscation? In any case, you can always just throw the gun away?

"He points to a 2002 Government Accountability Office (GAO) study in which the FBI, over a six-month period, used retained gun sales records to retrieve more than 200 illegally possessed guns. "
-that's scary.

So is this:


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Re: Obtaining a gun (under the table) [Re: insipidtoast]
    #14057276 - 03/02/11 11:54 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

there is no "list" of gun owners....


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Re: Obtaining a gun (under the table) [Re: KillerPicklez]
    #14057339 - 03/03/11 12:06 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Of course there isn't! That would most likely violate some part of the U.S. constitution. The federal government would never violate our constitutional rights.


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