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Re: Opiates for depression [Re: s240779]
#14043531 - 02/28/11 05:07 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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I was going to say this is the worst idea ever...but after reading your post I would actually recommend you do it.
Srsly, you have no clue what you are talking about, do you? There's just to many poorly understood concepts in your post to even bother with them. SSRI's are the best medication ever brought out for depression, I'll take them for a year, you go with your opium, let's see who is better off. And as a side-note I am currently withdrawing from Paxil and getting the zaps...still the best meds ever (for depression) Sexual side-effects? Yeah, as in being able to fuck like a porn-star for hours...
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Re: Opiates for depression [Re: 13.step]
#14043815 - 02/28/11 05:43 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: Opiates for depression [Re: s240779]
#14044311 - 02/28/11 06:46 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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OP, have you ever been through intense opiate withdrawals?
I doubt it.
The opiates are not helping your depression. They are flooding your brain with endorphins. This wears off with the effects of the drug. This is what causes tolerance and physical addiction. The brain gets used to being fed huge amounts of endorphins. When you stop giving your body opiates the brain has long since stopped making most of the natural endorphins to feed the opiate receptors in your brain, hence withdrawals.
I'm a former IV heroin addict. The absolute worst part of opiates is the crippling depression during withdrawal and during PAWS. Period. You can justify your use to yourself however you want to, but the fact is that opiates are already crushing you. You just don't realize how badly they already got you. It's apparent to any addict just by reading your posts.
Get help now before you waste many years of your life. Good luck.
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It absolutely disgusts me. It is just so fucking closed fucking minded. To hear you guys immediately dismiss the concept and narrow mindedly focus on the withdrawel aspect. I wanna fucking puke. Read grok's post on the first page.
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Re: Opiates for depression [Re: s240779]
#14046367 - 03/01/11 12:25 AM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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As much positive opiates show with serotinin uptake, the fact is opiates suppress testorone in major quantities and anyone who has got high/had opiate issues can tell you that depression sucks and is very real. Especially on suboxone.
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superhigh said: It absolutely disgusts me. It is just so fucking closed fucking minded. To hear you guys immediately dismiss the concept and narrow mindedly focus on the withdrawel aspect. I wanna fucking puke. Read grok's post on the first page.
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amilibertine said: I'm a former IV heroin addict. The absolute worst part of opiates is the crippling depression during withdrawal and during PAWS.
They're talking from experience, dude.
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Re: Opiates for depression [Re: s240779]
#14046618 - 03/01/11 01:48 AM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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Have you taken a look at what you have cited? Learn to read sources and learn to distinguish the crap from the good parts maybe then you won't think opiates are good for depression. Just two facts, testosterone suppression like someone said and changes in gene expression (it fucking changes your DNA dude). Oh and let's throw in shit babies as well.
Significant amount of literature , sci-fi maybe...I found this especially useful:
http://www.alexandriayrs.org/ssri-brain-damage.php
Is it really in Japanese? Why would you do that? What's the point? Educate yourself dude instead of spewing badly understood science as the gospel.
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Re: Opiates for depression [Re: Hakim0777]
#14047264 - 03/01/11 07:40 AM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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While i agree with your views on Big Pharma....I dont see how opiates for depression could end any other way than BAD
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Re: Opiates for depression [Re: s240779]
#14047499 - 03/01/11 09:08 AM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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superhigh said: It absolutely disgusts me. It is just so fucking closed fucking minded. To hear you guys immediately dismiss the concept and narrow mindedly focus on the withdrawel aspect. I wanna fucking puke. Read grok's post on the first page.
Im done trying to help. You only read what you wanted to read from his post. Have fun shitting your pants!
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Re: Opiates for depression [Re: Hakim0777]
#14047618 - 03/01/11 09:43 AM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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superhigh said: It absolutely disgusts me. It is just so fucking closed fucking minded. To hear you guys immediately dismiss the concept and narrow mindedly focus on the withdrawel aspect. I wanna fucking puke. Read grok's post on the first page.
Im done trying to help. You only read what you wanted to read from his post. Have fun shitting your pants!
Dude your going to have problems if you take ANYTHING for depression. If you take the SSRI route or the new "Opiates for depression" route Your still just masking a symptom. Taking any drug long enough is bound to lead to some unfavorable side effects, some worse than others....and opiates have a track record for some SERIOUS "worse than others" side effects
Throw all the logic, science, and self righteous bullshit you want at the idea, but it doesnt change the fact its.........unfavorable
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If you take the SSRI route or the new "Opiates for depression" route Your still just masking a symptom
I do not and cannot agree with you on this one. A symptom of what? Have you ever experienced depression? And I don't mean the "oh my girlfriend has left me, what do I do now" kind but the growling dark pits of despair that make you want to cut your head clean off as quick as you possibly can, all because you just woke up and saw the world was still there? I'm not having a go at you, just asking, sorry if it sounds to aggressive, I'm passionate that way.
Well depression can actually be a symptom, sure, but a symptom of something like bipolar disorder, which is incurable...then what do you do?
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Re: Opiates for depression [Re: 13.step]
#14047763 - 03/01/11 10:21 AM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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If you take the SSRI route or the new "Opiates for depression" route Your still just masking a symptom
I do not and cannot agree with you on this one. A symptom of what? Have you ever experienced depression? And I don't mean the "oh my girlfriend has left me, what do I do now" kind but the growling dark pits of despair that make you want to cut your head clean off as quick as you possibly can, all because you just woke up and saw the world was still there? I'm not having a go at you, just asking, sorry if it sounds to aggressive, I'm passionate that way.
Well depression can actually be a symptom, sure, but a symptom of something like bipolar disorder, which is incurable...then what do you do?
I can tell you what you DONT do...
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Re: Opiates for depression [Re: Hakim0777]
#14047849 - 03/01/11 10:39 AM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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Really? I was debating with myself whether or not to justify some opiate usage that way...
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Re: Opiates for depression [Re: 13.step]
#14047990 - 03/01/11 11:13 AM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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Of course opiates make you happy (most the time, until you get REAL bad off) while you're under their effects. Why the hell do you think so many people ruin their lives over them? The temporary relief from your depression while under the influence isn't treating depression in any way. It's masking it while your high and increasing your depression symptoms when your not high and especially while your dope sick.
Fact is suboxone probably does have anti-depression effects. But only if you want to stay on it for your whole life would it be an effective treatment. Plus the way you talk the buzz of full opiate agonists is what you enjoy so suboxone probably wont help you either.
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I'm a confused poaster , are you replying to me? 'Cause I was just joking.
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Re: Opiates for depression [Re: 13.step]
#14048031 - 03/01/11 11:26 AM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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13.step said: I'm a confused poaster , are you replying to me? 'Cause I was just joking.
Haha, sorry. I just did a quick reply, didn't mean to target you with it. I forget to do the correct replies for people.
My post was directed more or less to the OP, superhigh.
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No worries,I was just confused...nice effort on your part, but I think you're wasting your breath...he'll maybe come back over the years and see this thread and brake down crying thinking that only if he had listened...
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amilibertine said: Of course opiates make you happy (most the time, until you get REAL bad off) while you're under their effects.
The temporary relief from your depression while under the influence isn't treating depression in any way.
That's the case with all medication.
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Re: Opiates for depression [Re: s240779]
#14048112 - 03/01/11 11:50 AM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yeah but other medication don't sell your house and raep your wife!
Dude, just be honest with yourself, don't try and justify your use/addiction with this shit. Opiates are awesome, they are even more addictive then they are awesome, you gonna get WD and you're gonna build a tolerance...go from there and you'll spare yourself some of the hard parts.
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Re: Opiates for depression [Re: s240779]
#14048121 - 03/01/11 11:53 AM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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superhigh said:
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amilibertine said: Of course opiates make you happy (most the time, until you get REAL bad off) while you're under their effects.
The temporary relief from your depression while under the influence isn't treating depression in any way.
That's the case with all medication.
No it is not.
And if it was then don't you see how that negates your theory on opiates?
You want to see how your depression in doing? Stop drinking your pod tea for 3 entire days and then report back.
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