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 c0sm0nautt
 
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 Re: Samsara is a bitch sometimes [Re: Icelander]
#14035785 - 02/27/11 11:44 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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You said "To reproduce is the goal." So you are saying happiness can be contrary to the goals of nature? Which do you consider more important?
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Re: Samsara is a bitch sometimes [Re: c0sm0nautt]
#14035800 - 02/27/11 11:46 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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That's right "objectively". And if you reread my post I said subjectively I know I'm a failure. That's a different subject. But I can see how you guys got the wrong impression of what I was saying.
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p4kSouL
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Re: Samsara is a bitch sometimes [Re: Icelander]
#14035846 - 02/27/11 12:00 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Failure is just a state of mind. 
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Re: Samsara is a bitch sometimes [Re: p4kSouL]
#14035867 - 02/27/11 12:03 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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All reality is filtered through lenses of our own creation.
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Re: Samsara is a bitch sometimes [Re: p4kSouL]
#14035873 - 02/27/11 12:03 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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duh, that's what I said.
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“What is the ideal for mental health, then? A lived, compelling illusion that does not lie about life, death, and reality; one honest enough to follow its own commandments: I mean, not to kill, not to take the lives of others to justify itself.”
― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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Re: Samsara is a bitch sometimes [Re: Icelander]
#14035902 - 02/27/11 12:08 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Although less eloquently.
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Icelander
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Re: Samsara is a bitch sometimes [Re: teknix]
#14036020 - 02/27/11 12:31 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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“What is the ideal for mental health, then? A lived, compelling illusion that does not lie about life, death, and reality; one honest enough to follow its own commandments: I mean, not to kill, not to take the lives of others to justify itself.”
― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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c0sm0nautt
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Re: Samsara is a bitch sometimes [Re: Icelander]
#14036031 - 02/27/11 12:33 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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I still don't understand why you subjectively feel like a failure. 
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Re: Samsara is a bitch sometimes [Re: c0sm0nautt]
#14036050 - 02/27/11 12:36 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Theres too many kids in this world anyway.
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Icelander
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Re: Samsara is a bitch sometimes [Re: c0sm0nautt]
#14036067 - 02/27/11 12:39 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Quote:
c0sm0nautt said:
I still don't understand why you subjectively feel like a failure.
Because I haven't met my own expectations for my life, which has nothing at all to do with my life in general. My life in general is exactly what nature created so objectively there is only success.
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“What is the ideal for mental health, then? A lived, compelling illusion that does not lie about life, death, and reality; one honest enough to follow its own commandments: I mean, not to kill, not to take the lives of others to justify itself.”
― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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deff
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Re: Samsara is a bitch sometimes [Re: Icelander]
#14036229 - 02/27/11 01:07 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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maybe success and failure don't exist 'in nature' ?
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Re: Samsara is a bitch sometimes [Re: deff]
#14036419 - 02/27/11 01:47 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Giving up attachments is definitely hard.
More important is to change your relationship to your everything, than to give it up altogether. though drugs and alcohol are definitely no-no's, for anybody that's thirsty for truth and freedom.
Psychedelics are a phase.
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Re: Samsara is a bitch sometimes [Re: deff]
#14036468 - 02/27/11 02:00 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Quote:
deff said:
maybe success and failure don't exist 'in nature' ?
again that's basically what I'm saying.
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“What is the ideal for mental health, then? A lived, compelling illusion that does not lie about life, death, and reality; one honest enough to follow its own commandments: I mean, not to kill, not to take the lives of others to justify itself.”
― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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Re: Samsara is a bitch sometimes [Re: Ginseng1]
#14036472 - 02/27/11 02:01 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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though drugs and alcohol are definitely no-no's, for anybody that's thirsty for truth and freedom.
That's not true at all.
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“What is the ideal for mental health, then? A lived, compelling illusion that does not lie about life, death, and reality; one honest enough to follow its own commandments: I mean, not to kill, not to take the lives of others to justify itself.”
― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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Re: Samsara is a bitch sometimes [Re: Icelander]
#14036594 - 02/27/11 02:34 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Quote:
Icelander said:
though drugs and alcohol are definitely no-no's, for anybody that's thirsty for truth and freedom.
That's not true at all.
It's not a belief well taken on this forum.
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Re: Samsara is a bitch sometimes [Re: c0sm0nautt]
#14036729 - 02/27/11 02:59 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Well my claim is just as valid as his.
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“What is the ideal for mental health, then? A lived, compelling illusion that does not lie about life, death, and reality; one honest enough to follow its own commandments: I mean, not to kill, not to take the lives of others to justify itself.”
― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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c0sm0nautt
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Re: Samsara is a bitch sometimes [Re: Icelander]
#14036740 - 02/27/11 03:00 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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For sure.
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Icelander
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Re: Samsara is a bitch sometimes [Re: c0sm0nautt]
#14036848 - 02/27/11 03:23 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah I don't have any evidence either.
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“What is the ideal for mental health, then? A lived, compelling illusion that does not lie about life, death, and reality; one honest enough to follow its own commandments: I mean, not to kill, not to take the lives of others to justify itself.”
― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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