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#14031654 - 02/26/11 04:48 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Then let's get off our ass and make a difference ^.^
Again, that is what is required.
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Re: We are angry with our leaders. *DELETED* [Re: teknix]
#14031669 - 02/26/11 04:50 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Who's us? I've been meaning to ask you. What exactly are you doing to make this difference? Besides talking about all this.
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Re: We are angry with our leaders. *DELETED* [Re: Icelander]
#14031710 - 02/26/11 04:56 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Writing out a plan for true democracy as well as working on a solar windmill design, and educating myself. You?
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Re: We are angry with our leaders. *DELETED* [Re: teknix]
#14031716 - 02/26/11 04:56 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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No longer will humanity stand idly by and hope for better days. Now is the time for action, a revolution, to unite all of humanity.
Unite all of humanity? 
What makes you think there will ever be even a tiny glimmer of hope for that happening?
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Writing out a plan for true democracy...
You're wasting your time. 
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Re: We are angry with our leaders. *DELETED* [Re: Poid]
#14031740 - 02/26/11 04:58 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Either that or we all perish, I don't see any other option.
Why don't you think it's possible?
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Re: We are angry with our leaders. *DELETED* [Re: teknix]
#14031775 - 02/26/11 05:03 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Writing out a plan for true democracy as well as working on a solar windmill design, and educating myself. You?
That's it? Nothing out it the streets?
I'm planing on a revolution that puts me in charge so I can fix everything. Or I'll write out the plan for it.
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― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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Re: We are angry with our leaders. *DELETED* [Re: teknix]
#14031799 - 02/26/11 05:07 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Either that or we all perish, I don't see any other option.
Humanity has never been united, and everything is bound to perish--were you trying to say something of value, what was your point? 
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Why don't you think it's possible?
Because humans are nothing but ruthless animals, all they want is to have their needs met and their desires achieved; many people have conflicting needs/desires, and since people care more about meeting their own needs than the needs of others, there will always be conflict. 
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Re: We are angry with our leaders. *DELETED* [Re: teknix]
#14031808 - 02/26/11 05:08 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Either that or we all perish, I don't see any other option.
Why don't you think it's possible?
There is no evidence that we will all perish. The human race has been through world wars and plagues and all sorts of nasty shit for centuries and we are now the full on controlling animal on the planet. In our crazy violent state we could go on indefinitely as far as you know.
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“What is the ideal for mental health, then? A lived, compelling illusion that does not lie about life, death, and reality; one honest enough to follow its own commandments: I mean, not to kill, not to take the lives of others to justify itself.”
― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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Re: We are angry with our leaders. *DELETED* [Re: Icelander]
#14031895 - 02/26/11 05:21 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Either that or we all perish, I don't see any other option.
Humanity has never been united, and everything is bound to perish--were you trying to say something of value, what was your point?
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Why don't you think it's possible?
Because humans are nothing but ruthless animals, all they want is to have their needs met and their desires achieved; many people have conflicting needs/desires, and since people care more about meeting their own needs than the needs of others, there will always be conflict.
America is united of with all people from every part of the world. Sure it isn't perfect but it leaves room for improvement. More and more country's are fallowing our lead. They all want a part of it. The entire world can very easily be a melting pot.
Our human needs are the same? Whats your point?
Conflict is not disproof to unity.
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Either that or we all perish, I don't see any other option.
Why don't you think it's possible?
There is no evidence that we will all perish. The human race has been through world wars and plagues and all sorts of nasty shit for centuries and we are now the full on controlling animal on the planet. In our crazy violent state we could go on indefinitely as far as you know.
I'm pretty sure we all perish.
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Re: We are angry with our leaders. *DELETED* [Re: teknix]
#14031939 - 02/26/11 05:30 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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You're pretty sure with no solid evidence?
You're pretty sure of a lot of things with little or no evidence imo.
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"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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Re: We are angry with our leaders. *DELETED* [Re: Icelander]
#14031949 - 02/26/11 05:31 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Well, 99% of my ancestors have perished, so . . .
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Re: We are angry with our leaders. *DELETED* [Re: teknix]
#14031955 - 02/26/11 05:33 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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America is united of with all people from every part of the world. Sure it isn't perfect but it leaves room for improvement. More and more country's are fallowing our lead. They all want a part of it. The entire world can very easily be a melting pot.
Our human needs are the same? Whats your point?
Conflict is not disproof to unity.
Of course conflict is disproof of unity.
America is not united with people from all parts of the world. Where do you come up with this stuff?
What the rest of the world wants a part of is the rampant materialism of America. I saw that first hand in the other countries I've been to.
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― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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Re: We are angry with our leaders. *DELETED* [Re: teknix]
#14031967 - 02/26/11 05:35 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Well, 99% of my ancestors have perished, so . . .
That is the silliest thing you've said yet. Of course everyone dies. That has squat to do with this discussion.
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"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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#14032070 - 02/26/11 05:58 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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It is pretty obvious that eventually we won't have enough room or resources to support all of these people.
The weakest country's would die off 1st and be taken over and or absorbed by the bigger empires as has been happening throughout history.
"... if fertility levels remain unchanged at today's levels, world population would rise to 244 billion persons in 2150 and 134 trillion in 2300, clearly indicating that current levels of high fertility cannot continue indefinitely." Population Coalition, 2005
http://www.worldmapper.org/display.php?selected=12
Eventually there will only be room for one flag.
It is common sense that the strongest empire to emerge victorious and claim the resources necessary for its own well being. There will not be much of a choice but to fight for them if divided.
http://www.oildecline.com/
"With great effort and expenditure, the current level of oil production can possibly be maintained for a few more years, but beyond that oil production must begin a permanent & irreversible decline"
The United Nations is symbolic of a united earth already.
"Three countries out of the 195 countries of the world are not members of the United Nations."
http://geography.about.com/od/politicalgeography/a/nun.htm
Like it or not, we are becoming more and more united as humanity every day.
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Re: We are angry with our leaders. *DELETED* [Re: Icelander]
#14032077 - 02/26/11 05:59 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Either that or we all perish, I don't see any other option.
Why don't you think it's possible?
There is no evidence that we will all perish. The human race has been through world wars and plagues and all sorts of nasty shit for centuries and we are now the full on controlling animal on the planet. In our crazy violent state we could go on indefinitely as far as you know.
Yes there is. All of those people have perished.
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Re: We are angry with our leaders. *DELETED* [Re: teknix]
#14032092 - 02/26/11 06:04 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Even if there was massive starvation, and disease and war which has all happened in the past there is no evidence that humanity would completely disappear. That would be extremely unlikely.
They have been predicting this one world order for a long time. And just because we might sometime all be under one flag that does not mean in the slightest that humanity will be united. Take the good ol USA for example. We are a very un united country.
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― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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Re: We are angry with our leaders. *DELETED* [Re: teknix]
#14032099 - 02/26/11 06:05 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Either that or we all perish, I don't see any other option.
Why don't you think it's possible?
There is no evidence that we will all perish. The human race has been through world wars and plagues and all sorts of nasty shit for centuries and we are now the full on controlling animal on the planet. In our crazy violent state we could go on indefinitely as far as you know.
Yes there is. All of those people have perished.
Again you are being completely silly. Everyone dies from something even if the world is united and there are more people alive than at any time in human history. It's very hard to have a discussion when you insist on being irrational.
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― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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#14032120 - 02/26/11 06:09 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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The kalua is kicking in, lets try again tommorrow.
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Re: We are angry with our leaders. *DELETED* [Re: Icelander]
#14032143 - 02/26/11 06:13 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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I think it depends how far ahead you look, the further you go, the less likely it seems to me that there is any division.
I can't see how it wouldn't happen.
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#14032186 - 02/26/11 06:24 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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The kalua is kicking in, lets try again tommorrow.
I really don't see any point.
I've made my case and I didn't make it for you. I made it so others who are not invested can weigh the evidence and the facts presented and make up their minds.
Enjoy your alcohol.
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― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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