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 knarkkorven
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 Re: Explanation/Analysis of Paralytic P. azurescens Trips [Re: KajSam]
#15498608 - 12/11/11 03:27 AM (5 months, 16 days ago) |
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I have noticed the same thing with liberty caps.
I think the cold/paralysis effects has to do with psilocin affecting the peripheral nerve system. Perhaps causing vasoconstriction... We normally only talk about how psilocin act in the brain (CNS) but serotonin receptors are common in many parts of our bodies.
One thing I have noticed is that if I smoke just a little bit of cannabis during the trip, the paralysis and coldness goes away. It's like I can hear "cracking" noises in my limbs when they return to their ordinary, free moving state and the temperature rises, and I can remove the blankets I needed a couple of minutes ago to feel warm.
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Re: Explanation/Analysis of Paralytic P. azurescens Trips [Re: knarkkorven]
#15500333 - 12/11/11 02:05 PM (5 months, 15 days ago) |
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I think that's normal, the cold effects I mean. It's the paralysis, i.e., almost complete lack of voluntary muscle control and/or an extreme temporary weakness (hard to tell which at this remove) that was unusual.
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Re: Explanation/Analysis of Paralytic P. azurescens Trips [Re: Forager]
#15802024 - 02/13/12 07:35 AM (3 months, 14 days ago) |
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Strychnine is a naturally occurring indole alkaloid. This does sound something like strychnine poisoning really. Is it impossible that woodloving species produce strychnine, or perhaps a chemical like it? I've found scattered reports of similar things from cubensis, but it's hard to say if it's just not a side effect of a serotonergic drug.
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Re: Explanation/Analysis of Paralytic P. azurescens Trips [Re: horus_92]
#15804773 - 02/13/12 06:05 PM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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Old thread, but i will add something to it.
I dont get muscle paralysis as severe as wobbly legs or not being able to use my hands, i once had a habit of eating P. Subaeruginosa i picked from the wild, i would often get paralysis in my fingers, toes and face.
So much to the point that on one trip i was left with two lazy eyes for 48 hours, to the point that no matter how hard i strained i couldn't open them, resulting in an inability to see properly.
As for my toes and fingers, i have noticed that the tips of them become numb and unresponsive to commands when this is happening.
Yuck
To add weight to the idea, boiling does seem to prevent this from happening in most cases.
(i was afraid it would not go away at the time , and as such have stopped eating wild wood-loving psilocybes).
In my experience it doesn't sound/feel like strychnine poisoning, although it could be a smaller dose that what is necessary to cause spasms.
It would make sense if they were using it as a pesticide, or perhaps the mycelium is taking it or something similar up from the substrate (seeds, wood or bark containing it?), but the symptoms dont seem to match up (at least in my experience, low doses of strychnine are believed to be stimulating, and high doses are lethal)
If i was to take a stab at it, i would say it would be something similar to Botulinum toxin in small doses being present in the mushrooms, from bacteria found in the environment they grow in, perhaps -in- the basidiocarp themselves...
Given that botox is a protein and denatures at temperatures below boiling (60C), it seems like it, or some other protein would be a more likely candidate.
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 Frizzie
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Re: Explanation/Analysis of Paralytic P. azurescens Trips [Re: Nobitte]
#15813441 - 02/15/12 11:44 AM (3 months, 11 days ago) |
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In this pic of a pile of Azures you will see one on the right side
of the pile with a heavily bluing area and a cracked stem.
This one mushroom I remember looking at it thinking it was so cool an
potent but I twisted the stem and it opened to a black ooze/slime inside
the stem and it stunk. I'm not a mycologist but I'm not stupid either
and I knew it was a foreign bacteria or contamination that had gotten
into the stipe while it was growing.
Of course I did not eat this one to find out but I imagine it could
have been a bad deal if I did... Also I've seen many pictures of peoples
finds here and some of the stuff they eat just blows me away! Even when
I'm picking edibles I dont/wont eat marginal stuff. Stuff with rotten
spots or blackened parts. I'll either throw the shroom totally or cut it
and clean it to the bare bones.
With Cyans especially under brambles they always have blackened rotten
stuff on them.
I think its possible that we are talking a foreign contam causing this.
Also imagine that it causes severe gastric upset. Maybe this is also why
boiling negates the effect.
Peace,
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PrimalSoup
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Re: Explanation/Analysis of Paralytic P. azurescens Trips [Re: Frizzie]
#15814029 - 02/15/12 02:20 PM (3 months, 11 days ago) |
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Strange, OK, because the one patch of Ps. cyanescens that hosed me I did indeed consume as tea...
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