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African History Tribute: Frances Cress Welsing (and more)
    #13999681 - 02/21/11 06:14 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

I recently became familiar with the work of this lady.... a very interesting scholar who has helped a lot of people. Hope you enjoy it. I'm going to keep on posting up more snippets and videos (if the "mods" dont ban me first on trumped up charges :hehehe:). Enjoy, and I hope we can TRY to keep the discussion civil :smile:

Personal Information

Born Frances Luella Cress, March 18, 1935, in Chicago, IL; daughter of Henry N. (a physician) and Ida Mae (a teacher; maiden name, Griffen) Cress.
Education: Antioch College, B.S., 1957; Howard University College of Medicine, M.D., 1962.
Memberships: National Medical Association, American Medical Association, American Psychiatric Association.

Career

Cook County Hospital, Chicago, intern, 1962-63; St. Elizabeth Hospital, Washington, DC, residency in general psychiatry, 1963-66; Children's Hospital, Washington, DC, fellowship in child psychiatry, 1966-68; Howard University College of Medicine, Washington, DC, assistant professor of pediatrics, 1968-75; District of Columbia Government, Department of Human Services, staff physician, 1967-91, clinical director of Hillcrest Children's Center, 1975-76, and of the Paul Robeson School for Growth and Development, North Community Mental Health Center, 1976-90; private practice of psychiatry, Washington, DC, 1967--; author.

Life's Work

Washington, D.C.-based psychiatrist and race theorist Frances Cress Welsing rocked the fields of cultural and behavioral science with her 1970 essay The Cress Theory of Color-Confrontation and Racism (White Supremacy). This striking theory of the origins of racism is rooted in the effects that varying degrees of melanin--the color-producing pigment in skin--can have on racial perception and development. "The quality of whiteness is a genetic inadequacy or a relative deficiency or disease based upon the inability to produce the skin pigments of melanin which are responsible for all skin color," she explained in the essay, adding, "The majority of the world's people are not so afflicted, suggesting that the state of color is the norm for human beings and [its] absence is abnormal."

In her essay, Welsing contends that because of their "numerical inadequacy" and "color inferiority," white people may have defensively developed "an uncontrollable sense of hostility and aggression" towards people of color which has led to "confrontations" between the races throughout history. Repressing their own feelings of inadequacy, whites "set about evolving a social, political and economic structure to give blacks and other 'non-whites' the appearance of being inferior."

The second of three girls, Welsing was born on March 18, 1935, in Chicago, Illinois, into a family that had already produced two doctors. Her father, Henry N. Cress, now deceased, was a medical doctor, as was her grandfather. After receiving her bachelor's degree at Antioch College in Yellow Springs, Ohio, in 1957, and her M.D. at Washington D.C.'s Howard University College of Medicine five years later, Welsing pursued a career in general and child psychiatry. Her Cress Theory essay was published while she was an assistant professor of pediatrics at the Howard University College of Medicine. According to Welsing, it caused such a stir that her tenure at the university was not renewed in 1975.

In addition to her role as an educator, Welsing spent nearly two and a half decades of her long and distinguished career working as a staff physician for the Department of Human Services in Washington, D.C., and served as the clinical director of two schools there for emotionally troubled children. A specialist in both child and general psychiatry, she began her private practice in the district in 1967 and has gained particular acclaim for her work with young people.

For Welsing, the world's most pressing problem is the disturbing issue of white supremacy, or racism. "I put the discussion of melanin on the board in order to [describe how pigmentation] was a factor in what white supremacy behavior was all about," Welsing noted in an interview with Michael Eric Dyson for Emerge. "If I had my way, there wouldn't be all the discussion about melanin. I would say, Discuss white supremacy."

Welsing laid the foundation for her ongoing discussion of white supremacy in her groundbreaking 1970 essay The Cress Theory of Color-Confrontation and Racism. In it, she reasoned that because whiteness is a color deficiency and white people make up only a small percentage of the earth's population, they tend to view people of color as a threat to their survival and therefore treat them with hostility. She stated that their defensive reaction has been to impose white supremacy, or racism, on people of color throughout history.

Basing part of her argument on observations by Neeley Fuller in his 1969 Textbook for Victims of White Supremacy, Welsing focused on his view of racism as a "universally operating 'system' of white supremacy rule and domination" in which the "majority of the world's white people participate." He suggested that economic forms of government such as capitalism and communism were created to perpetuate white domination and that the white "race" is really an "organization" dedicated to maintaining control over the world. In addition, he argued that people of color have never imposed "colored" supremacy on anyone.

Using Fuller's contention that "most white people hate black people [because] whites are not black people," Welsing went on to suggest that "any neurotic drive for superiority," in this case, the white drive, is based on a "deep and pervading sense of inadequacy and inferiority." Welsing cited journals, diaries, and books written by whites as examples of their "initial hostility and aggression" towards people of color and particularly towards black people "who have the greatest color potential and therefore are the most envied and the most feared in genetic color competition." She added: "That whites desire to have colored skin can be seen by anyone at the very first signs of Spring or Summer when they begin to strip off their clothes, often permitting their skins to be burned severely in an attempt to add some color to their white, pale, colorless bodies, rendering themselves vulnerable to skin cancer in the process."

Welsing asserted in The Cress Theory that many whites are unable to peacefully live among or attend school with people of color because it explodes "the myth of white superiority" and forces them to face their "psychological discomfort" and "color inadequacy." She also stated that "the difficulty whites have in according 'non-whites' socio-political and economic equality stems ... from the fundamental sense of their own unequal situation in regards to their numerical inadequacy and color deficiency." To compensate for this inadequacy, Welsing judged, whites strive to maintain a superior social position and manipulate non-whites and themselves into thinking that they are a worldwide numerical majority instead of the minority. In support of this conclusion, she cited statistics indicating that birth control is rarely emphasized for whites, while a great emphasis is placed on controlling the birthrates of people of color.

She concluded her Cress Theory of Color-Confrontation by arguing that people of color must gain a better understanding of the "behavioral maneuverings" of whites in order to avoid being "manipulated into a subordinated position." In her view, people of color need to "liberate" themselves psychologically from various forms of white domination. She also suggested that whites need to understand the motivation behind their behavior and explore with an open mind the emotional and psychological foundations of racism.

The issue of white supremacy is discussed in depth in Welsing's 1990 book The Isis Papers: The Keys to the Colors, a virtual fixture on the Blackboard African American Bestsellers List. In the book, the author uses America's preoccupation with sports to illustrate what she perceives to be white supremacist behavior in action: "The whole of white culture," she wrote in The Isis Papers, "is designed to say that whites have [certain] qualities. Everything possible is done to demonstrate this. First, you have [only] white players, then blacks come in, but a white has to be the quarterback. Western culture has to project white supremacy." Welsing further contended that when blacks succeed athletically, whites are forced "up against the psychological wall" because white youngsters are "brought up to believe a white has to be superior."

Not surprisingly, Welsing's views about global white supremacy and racism in contemporary society have provoked controversy and stimulated debate in and outside of the black community, as well as on national television. Her theory has also challenged former definitions of racism put forth by social and behavioral scientists. Despite the controversy surrounding her, Welsing was praised in the Los Angeles Times for being "the first scientist to psychoanalyze white racism" in the history of Western psychiatry, rather then focusing on the victims of racism. She is sought out by the media for her provocative view of race relations and lectures about racism at colleges and universities in the United States and England.

Back in 1974, Welsing debated Dr. William Shockley, the author of a theory of black genetic inferiority, on national public television. She is responsible for generating public discussion throughout the United States about the possible effects of melanin on behavior and culture. Black authors, psychiatrists, and lecturers have written studies and books on this subject, and a series of conferences about it have been held on the East and West Coasts.

In the early 1990s Welsing's theory caused a stir in the media after a publicist for the popular rap group Public Enemy sent music reviewers copies of her 1970 essay along with advance tapes of the group's new album, Fear of a Black Planet. Their publicist, Harry Allen, said in the Washington Post that Welsing's paper "should be seen as some of the inspiration" for the album, the title song of which deals with racial purity and miscegenation (racial mixing).

In reply to those who have called her theory racist, Welsing commented in the Washington Post that her philosophy is "a challenge to white behavioral scientists to help white people become comfortable with their numbers and their color, because if they become comfortable with their minority and genetic recessive status and stop getting upset about it so they're really in a posture of respecting themselves, then they can be in a posture to respect other people."

Still, Welsing drew skeptical comments from some Washington journalists over her reported statement in 1989 on ABC-TV's Nightline that drug trafficking is an effort by "genetically recessive" whites fearing "genetic annihilation" to kill a large part of the young black male population which poses "the greatest threat to white genetic survival." Welsing advocated the use of force to stop warring drug dealers in Washington, D.C.'s most dangerous neighborhoods. She also suggested in the Washington Post that more attention should be paid to "what is happening to black men, a large segment of whom are in a state of frustration and hopelessness." Linking drug-related homicides to personal history, she stated: "I'll bet if we examined the lives of these drug killers, we'd find a mother who started having babies as a teen-ager [and] a kid who had no self-esteem and a fatalistic expectation of a short, violent and jobless life."

Welsing suggested that African American families must operate more effectively if they are to produce "strong-minded" children who can "challenge" white supremacy. In an interview in Essence, she told Karen Halliburton, "No Black female should have children before the age of 30, and no Black man should become a father before the age of 35. Before child rearing, we should be going to school, going to the library, educating ourselves. We must create mature, mentally developed parents. Then we will be able to produce children with self-respect and a high-level functioning pattern."

Welsing theorized in the Chicago Tribune that many black children have received too little "lap time" or cuddling from their parents and that this "later propelled them into premature sex, alcohol and drug abuse." In private practice and in visits to schools, she observed that these children become parents without learning how to "satisfy emotional needs"; a resulting condition of "dependency deprivation" has perpetuated itself in black families since the days of slavery.

Ultimately Welsing believes that the key to eradicating racism lies in self-respect, discipline, and education. "We must clean up our neighborhoods," she told Halliburton. "We must revolutionize ourselves.... Whether white people are consciously or subconsciously aware of it, they are behaving in a manner to ensure white genetic survival. We must know this truth. And the truth is the first step toward real strength."



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Cress Welsing states that a system is practiced by the global white minority, on both conscious and unconscious levels, to ensure their genetic survival by any means necessary. According to Cress Welsing, this system attacks people of color, particularly people of African descent, in the nine major areas of people's activity: economics, education, entertainment, labor, law, politics, religion, sex and war.[2] Cress Welsing believes that it is imperative that people of color, especially people of African descent, understand how the system of white supremacy works in order to dismantle it and bring true justice to planet Earth.[1]

In The Isis Papers she postulates the melanin theory, a pseudoscientific supremacist hypothesis that white people are the genetically defective descendants of albino mutants. She posits that because of this defective mutation, they may have been forcibly expelled from Africa, among other possibilities.[3] Welsing proposes that, because it is so easy for pure whiteness to be genetically lost during interracial breeding, light-skinned peoples developed an aggressive colonial urge and their societies dominated others militarily in order to preserve this light-skinned purity. Welsing ascribes certain inherent and behavioral differences between black and white people to a "melanin deficiency" in white people. Welsing proposes what she calls a "functional definition of racism":

    Functional Definition Of Racism = White Supremacy = Apartheid: As a black behavioral scientist and practicing psychiatrist, my own functional definition of racism (white supremacy) is as follows: "Racism (white supremacy) is the local and global power system and dynamic, structured and maintained by persons who classify themselves as white, whether consciously or subconsciously determined; which consists of patterns of perception, logic, symbol formation, thought, speech, action, and emotional response, as conducted, simultaneously in all areas of people activity (economics, education, entertainment, labor, law, politics, religion, sex, and war); for the ultimate purpose of white genetic survival and to prevent white genetic annihilation on planet Earth - a planet upon which the vast and overwhelming majority of people are classified as nonwhite (black, brown, red and yellow) by white skinned people, and all of the nonwhite people are genetically dominant (in terms of skin coloration) compared to the genetic recessive white skin people."[4]

According to Welsing various cultural practices express white people's sense of their own inferiority:

    On both St. Valentine’s Day and Mother’s Day, the white male gives gifts of chocolate candy with nuts…. If his sweetheart ingests "chocolate with nuts," the white male can fantasize that he is genetically equal to the Black male…. Is it not also curious that when white males are young and vigorous, they attempt to master the large brown balls, but as they become older and wiser, they psychologically resign themselves to their inability to master the large brown balls? Their focus then shifts masochistically to hitting the tiny white golf balls in disgust and resignation — in full final realization of white genetic recessiveness.[5]

Cress Welsing has been criticized for stating that black male homosexuality is consciously imposed on the black man by the white man to destroy the black family, that black homosexuality is a sign of weakness and that homosexual patterns of behavior are simply expressions of black male self-submission to other males in the area of sex, as well as in other areas such as economics, education, entertainment, labor, law, politics, religion, and war.[6]
Film appearance

Cress Welsing made a rare screen appearance when she starred in the documentary 500 Years Later (2005) starring Maulana Karenga , Muhammed Shareef , Hakim Adi , Kimani Nehusi, Paul Robeson Jr , Nelson George, and many more. The film was written by M.K. Asante, Jr.
Works

    * The Isis (Yssis) papers. Chicago: Third World Press, c1992 (3rd printing). ISBN 0883781034, ISBN 0883781042.

Footnotes

  1. ^ a b ""Cress Theory of Color"". "Frances Cress Welsing". http://www.francescresswelsing.com.
  2. ^ a b ""About Cress Welsing"". "Africa Within". http://www.africawithin.com/welsing/welsing1.htm.
  3. ^ [1]
  4. ^ Isis Papers
  5. ^ Frances, Cress Welsing (1990). The Isis Papers: The Keys to the Colors. Third World Press. ISBN 0-88378-104-2.
  6. ^ Afrocentricity vs Homosexuality: The Isis Papers

Further reading

    * Ortiz de Montellano, B. (2001) Magic Melanin: Spreading Scientific Illiteracy to Minorities.

External links

    * Interview with Francis Cress Welsing

See also

    * Melanin Theory
    * Afrocentrism


Read more: http://www.answers.com/topic/frances-cress-welsing#ixzz1EaNrXhfe




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Re: African History Tribute: Frances Cress Welsing (and more) [Re: jainveganbuddha]
    #13999684 - 02/21/11 06:20 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Here is perhaps, one of the best video series. More to come...



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Re: African History Tribute: Frances Cress Welsing (and more) [Re: jainveganbuddha]
    #13999691 - 02/21/11 06:27 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Here is Frances Cress on Donahue, I think he does a good job hosting:



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Re: African History Tribute: Frances Cress Welsing (and more) [Re: jainveganbuddha]
    #13999700 - 02/21/11 06:31 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Mentioned previously, the highly interesting and stimulating debate with Dr. shockley. they both express themselves very well, I thought:



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Re: African History Tribute: Frances Cress Welsing (and more) [Re: jainveganbuddha]
    #13999727 - 02/21/11 06:48 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

This is an interesting short video that deals with the color issue and albinism in Africa, as previously discussed...



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Re: African History Tribute: Frances Cress Welsing (and more) [Re: jainveganbuddha]
    #13999839 - 02/21/11 07:44 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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On both St. Valentine’s Day and Mother’s Day, the white male gives gifts of chocolate candy with nuts…. If his sweetheart ingests "chocolate with nuts," the white male can fantasize that he is genetically equal to the Black male…. Is it not also curious that when white males are young and vigorous, they attempt to master the large brown balls, but as they become older and wiser, they psychologically resign themselves to their inability to master the large brown balls? Their focus then shifts masochistically to hitting the tiny white golf balls in disgust and resignation — in full final realization of white genetic recessiveness.





FUCK. OFF.

My two word rebuttal has about as much scientific merit as the quote. What utter bullshit. Does this really need addressing?

To go to the first movie clip, she's making royal mistakes there too.

When someone white and someone black make a baby, the baby isn't white or black, that they are assigned the label "black" is a social artifact, but the actual split between African/European is 50/50.

The great majority of black people in the US are mixed race people.

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In an interview in Essence, she told Karen Halliburton, "No Black female should have children before the age of 30, and no Black man should become a father before the age of 35.




Poppycock. Eugenics.

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Cress Welsing has been criticized for stating that black male homosexuality is consciously imposed on the black man by the white man to destroy the black family, that black homosexuality is a sign of weakness and that homosexual patterns of behavior are simply expressions of black male self-submission to other males in the area of sex, as well as in other areas such as economics, education, entertainment, labor, law, politics, religion, and war.




:facepalm:

Maybe all the things she says sound remotely reasonable if you are living in the United States, but if you don't, have traveled or otherwise have been outside the US cultural sphere physically or mentally, it is blatantly obvious that her point of view is highly culturally contaminated and if anything says more about black and white identity in the USA than in the rest of the world.

First she makes the point that superiority feelings are often a compensational mechanism to mask inferiority feelings, which holds merit but then she tries to instill the same feelings into her black audience with slanted comments like:

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The quality of whiteness is a genetic inadequacy or a relative deficiency or disease based upon the inability to produce the skin pigments of melanin which are responsible for all skin color




No you nitwit, poor nutrition has been the norm worldwide, and under those conditions darkskinned people in temperate climates got a deficiency in Vitamin D, causing more die-off and disease among dark skinned people there, less reproductive success and darwinistic selection for lighter skin ensued there. Lightskinned people have a melanin deficiency in tropical zones but black people have a cholecalciferol deficiency in temperate zones.

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Their focus then shifts masochistically to hitting the tiny white golf balls in disgust and resignation — in full final realization of white genetic recessiveness.




If she spent one minute of thought on the game of golf she'd realize that a brown ball would be exceedingly hard to spot 200 foot away on a golf course of green grass and brown soil.

If you seek to combat white racism with black racism, all you end up is more racism and more antagonism between the groups.


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Re: African History Tribute: Frances Cress Welsing (and more) [Re: Asante]
    #13999895 - 02/21/11 08:13 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: African History Tribute: Frances Cress Welsing (and more) [Re: Asante]
    #13999925 - 02/21/11 08:23 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Wow Wiccan, I couldn't have said it better. Now these good people don't have to hear me rage on this racist cunt.

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Re: African History Tribute: Frances Cress Welsing (and more) [Re: Sticky Green]
    #13999954 - 02/21/11 08:33 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

I much like this video by Fatboy Slim.


Fatboy Slim - Don't let the man get you down


Not just is the music awesome, it really drives home that being a racist not just makes you look like a complete jerk, but that if you are racist, life will provide ample opportunities to be annoyed and pissed off at situations you would barely even register if you didnt have that hangup.


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Re: African History Tribute: Frances Cress Welsing (and more) [Re: Asante]
    #14000888 - 02/21/11 11:57 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Wiccan. your quotation (as well as the more obvious history of humanity on the planet!) speaks wonderfully for itself! nice behavior for someone supposed to be a mod, right? thanks for starting your tyrade of quotations from others in a manner inappropriate and non-conducive to meaningful exchanges.

let me begin by stating that some of my own flesh and blood are blonde/blue in traits, and I love them more than anything. moreover, our family gives them the special care and consideration that they require with regard to the sun etc. that is, they are considered, pampered and looked-after for their special requirements at family events etc.

I dont know where you got those quotations, was it from my posting?? dont think so. (seems like there are several misinterpretations of the info there.) but, im glad you found someone else's words to express yourself with. sound familiar? (stealing other peoples stuff) :smirk: but, some of the thoughts you expressed, though transposed, were also my own, initially.

the behavioral scientist, or psychiatrist, knows how to look into the subconscious (and symbolic) nature of behavior. in that way, they can sometimes understand a person or group better than they themselves do. sometimes they help expose what has been kept secret. for instance, your rudeness and knee-jerk response seems more to correlate to hitting a sensitive area of your psyche, than real rational thought.

and yet, i, being equally disposed to all people and groups, have taken the time to understand the real value and meaning of Welsing's scientific contributions. she has done much to explain the previously unexplicable behavior of malice, hatred, and uncalled-for behavior of the group of people which she addresses. if certain groups would take the time to properly understand it in its non-malicious nature, it could possibly help them to overcome their deep complexes, and abhorrent behavior in the world, and toward our collective human family.

and while some of Welsing's statements are certainly bound to be inflamatory to an already historically uncouth and abusive crowd to begin with... i do not think she goes far enough and generalizes too much. for instance, beyond 'white' prejudice and malice toward other people, racism, I believe she fails to properly understand and examine the identity of the pigment-less, purer albino bloodlines, which are running the whole show via their European secret societies, as well as their historical participation in the practices of human and animal sacrifice and blood consumption. (see history and religion of Norse, Viking, Goth, Roman elite...) these are also tell-tale signs, you see.

ONE LAST THING (for i dont want to post a whole book here) :-). I said she definitely over-generalizes, but gives a good foundation. Most of the people WHO THINK OF THEMSELVES AS "WHITE", and have been taught to think of themselves as "white" ARE NOT RALLY "WHITE" AT ALL, but "semites" or persons of mixed qualities. that is, the recessive has mixed again with the dominant strains (for the preservation of the species, as they naturally do.) In this way, they have regained some of the color and melanin that protects the body. that's a good thing! well scientifically and biologically speaking. not to the illogical irate racist type, lol.

Rather, the so-called "white" people who have dark eyes, hair, or can tan and tolerate SOME sun are not considered by the elite to be white or of pure blood. They are considered merely as light-skinned blacks, and therefore low-class. even people of fairest traits, if not from the 'purer' albino, aristocratic bloodlines, are similarly looked upon. Those mixed 50-50... lik eshe said turn out "colored". and this is not acceptable to such racists either.

so, it seems futile to defend the evil masters who have invaded and taken over Europe, and elsewhere to pillage and enslave...imposing their psychotic complexes. They are merely playing out their own deep-seated feelings of inferiority and jealousy (conscious or sub-conscious), i believe, and use this divide-and-conquer strategy among the masses to polarize our minds to see in "black-and-white." Classifying people into different nations and races...reather than the truth of what we are... ONE DIVERSE HUMAN FAMILY, each with our own special traits and requirements.

Wiccan I LOL at your hostility, not because you were not eloquent, at times, but because it is not frances welsing's writings and talks that are the REAL problem in the world, but the excessive violence and oppressive, exploitative systems of control imposed by the vast minority, conspiring albino subset--more specific their ruling elite!!!--who have and continue to despoil the Earth with barbarian behavior and mentality. Furhtermore, I dont think we can pretend that either of us compare favorably to the scholarship, achievements, and resume of this doctor. you are entitled to your opinion, regardless. though I dont feel youre seeing the facts clearly. More to come.


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Re: African History Tribute: Frances Cress Welsing (and more) [Re: jainveganbuddha]
    #14000977 - 02/21/11 12:15 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

moving forward... i think this will be a nice refresher of memory, for any who wish to understand these topics more...

(BBC The History of Racism series)



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Re: African History Tribute: Frances Cress Welsing (and more) [Re: jainveganbuddha]
    #14001118 - 02/21/11 12:41 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Santhara what?

I liked the first five posts, because no one even entertained your bullshit.


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Re: African History Tribute: Frances Cress Welsing (and more) [Re: DrMambo]
    #14001154 - 02/21/11 12:45 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

well, i pretty much posted them one after the other in the wee hours, but thanks for posting up and checking it out.

obviously, there is a vast difference in perspective, but it can be understood in psychological terms along with the historical pretense.


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Re: African History Tribute: Frances Cress Welsing (and more) [Re: jainveganbuddha]
    #14001495 - 02/21/11 01:35 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

now, in a somewhat backwards fashion, I will show you an old school video of Frances, based on her landmark book: The Isis Papers. It was made in the 80's, I believe, probably on an old-school VHS cam. therfore I did not want to show it first. There are breaks in the audio...but I believe it is all there, just out of sync at times. not too much is lost, anyways, enjoy.



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Re: African History Tribute: Frances Cress Welsing (and more) [Re: jainveganbuddha]
    #14001607 - 02/21/11 01:54 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

I agree with everything Wiccan said. That bitch is ignorant and racist. Thanks for reminding me why I dislike black history month.

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and yet, i, being equally disposed to all people and groups, have taken the time to understand the real value and meaning of Welsing's scientific contributions. she has done much to explain the previously unexplicable behavior of malice, hatred, and uncalled-for behavior of the group of people which she addresses. if certain groups would take the time to properly understand it in its non-malicious nature, it could possibly help them to overcome their deep complexes, and abhorrent behavior in the world, and toward our collective human family.




Are you serious?  She thinks white people are descended from albino mutants that were kicked out of africa, and you actually take her seriously?  I hope you're just saying all this stuff for the lolz because she doesn't know what she is talking about and neither do you.


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Re: African History Tribute: Frances Cress Welsing (and more) [Re: jainveganbuddha]
    #14002074 - 02/21/11 03:02 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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thanks for starting your tyrade of quotations from others




No, you got that wrong. What I quoted were quotations attributed to her in the body of your first post.


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I dont know where you got those quotations, was it from my posting?? dont think so.





Then really carefully reread your own first post again please, because they ARE quotations attributed to her in your post.

I'm glad you think that kind of talk is unacceptable, because I really agree with it being unacceptable - her words though.


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im glad you found someone else's words to express yourself with. sound familiar? (stealing other peoples stuff) :smirk:




Explain that one to me in words I can understand. Are you accusing me of stealing stuff from others?

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the behavioral scientist, or psychiatrist, knows how to look into the subconscious (and symbolic) nature of behavior. in that way, they can sometimes understand a person or group better than they themselves do.




And sometimes all that psychological freud-esque speculation leads to straight up nonsense, like "white men when they are young try to master the big black balls but when they get older they realize they can never bridle black fertility so they hit the little white balls". Give me a huge break please.

Maybe, just maybe, you dont see old people basketball because its a dynamic sport and few young people play golf because its boring as heck to someone with a fresh nervous system, and all those big throbbing black cocks and shriveled impotent white balls are stuff she puts into it.

Modern psychiatrists don't do all that psychoanalytical Freud crap anymore, it has been demonstrated to be ineffective. Every week you can have a psychoanalyst make you relive and regurgitate all your painful memories for years on end - or you can do nothing at all for the same time period, the net result is that about the same number of people in either group will be cured and the same number will not be. Its proven to be expensive, dependecy inducing, psychologically painful quackery.

Modern psychiatry can do a LOT for you in many ways, but time spent at an old fashioned psychoanalist is really time better spent stoned on your porch - and you save a buck too.

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Most of the people WHO THINK OF THEMSELVES AS "WHITE", and have been taught to think of themselves as "white" ARE NOT RALLY "WHITE" AT ALL, but "semites" or persons of mixed qualities.




Race is a social/philosophical definition, not a scientific one.

In my personal philosophy I go a lot further, I believe all living beings are in fact reincarnations of one and the same being coexisting in the same time period. You, me, Cactusdan's Peruvian Torch, Coaster's roaches, its all One, its all You.

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Wiccan I LOL at your hostility




I'm glad you are getting LOL out of it too, I'm not being hostile just writing in extremo and enjoying it. Extreme standpoints are more fun to read and more fun to write. I have nothing against you, or the dear lady, but her Freudian musings got me thinking of black dick when I eat chocolate and I think enough about that already at times when chocolate is the last thing on my mind.


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it is not frances welsing's writings and talks that are the REAL problem in the world, but the excessive violence and oppressive, exploitative systems of control imposed by the vast minority, conspiring albino subset--more specific their ruling elite!!!





No, racism is the bigger problem, and she's doing it too. She fights fire with fire and uses speech, quoten in your post, that incites people to dislike other people based on race.

I'm sure she must have done good things, but what you quoted contained some very questionable content, which I quoted.


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Re: African History Tribute: Frances Cress Welsing (and more) [Re: Asante]
    #14002126 - 02/21/11 03:16 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah, those are all direct quotes.

ten seconds with a browser text search shows that


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    #14002171 - 02/21/11 03:24 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Bottom line: I agree strongly that white on black racism is a huge problem, and that most people are a lot more racist than they realize - but that doesnt mean that anything goes when it comes to fighting it.


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Re: African History Tribute: Frances Cress Welsing (and more) [Re: Asante]
    #14002206 - 02/21/11 03:31 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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Using Fuller's contention that "most white people hate black people [because] whites are not black people," Welsing went on to suggest that "any neurotic drive for superiority," in this case, the white drive, is based on a "deep and pervading sense of inadequacy and inferiority."




It seems like SHE has a "neurotic drive for superiority"....

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In her essay, Welsing contends that because of their "numerical inadequacy" and "color inferiority," white people may have defensively developed "an uncontrollable sense of hostility and aggression" towards people of color which has led to "confrontations" between the races throughout history.




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In The Isis Papers she postulates the melanin theory, a pseudoscientific supremacist hypothesis that white people are the genetically defective descendants of albino mutants. She posits that because of this defective mutation, they may have been forcibly expelled from Africa, among other possibilities.[3] Welsing proposes that, because it is so easy for pure whiteness to be genetically lost during interracial breeding, light-skinned peoples developed an aggressive colonial urge and their societies dominated others militarily in order to preserve this light-skinned purity. Welsing ascribes certain inherent and behavioral differences between black and white people to a "melanin deficiency" in white people.




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Re: African History Tribute: Frances Cress Welsing (and more) [Re: Shroomerette]
    #14002325 - 02/21/11 03:55 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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I agree with everything Wiccan said. ... Thanks for reminding me why I dislike black history month.

spoken in true form  :facepalm3:

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and yet, i, being equally disposed to all people and groups, have taken the time to understand the real value and meaning of Welsing's scientific contributions. she has done much to explain the previously inexplicable behavior of malice, hatred, and uncalled-for behavior of the group of people which she addresses. if certain groups would take the time to properly understand it in its non-malicious nature, it could possibly help them to overcome their deep complexes, and abhorrent behavior in the world, and toward our collective human family.




Are you serious?  She thinks white people are descended from albino mutants that were kicked out of Africa, and you actually take her seriously?  I hope you're just saying all this stuff for the lolz because she doesn't know what she is talking about and neither do you.




There is no malicious intention in any of my posts, try to understand.

Thank you for your comment. also like Wiccan, i think what you intended to say was: i have some difference of opinion with this doctor's analysis...for the following reasons.. pursuant to the following points... in conclusion...etc. yet, proper manners and the ebility to have a meaningful intellectual exchange with others--especially with others of the Earth's majority population, has not been acquired yet, or is not among your many abilities-as of yet.

this point of politeness and good culture is not to be overlooked, lightly, and is surely a result of the loss of humanity original, highly developed indigenous culture.

To address your points, if you are familiar with formal genetics, you will know that what she is saying about the nature of color and traits is a completely correct interpretation of irrefutable science. Whiteness of skin, colorless hair, and red...gray.. to blue eyes are all clearly recessive albino traits. These recessive states are a deficiency state resulting from genetic damage or mutation...possibly from one of a number of environmental and behavioral factors... or simply progressive genetic degradation, etc. It is not an insult, mind you but scientific fact that ascribes to simple common sense. It is a medical condition that is well understood to be prone to cancer under normal conditions, various eye and vision abnormalities, and high rates of rare diseases and retardation. we can look at this medically without being racist.

Humans and other organisms that live in the day on the surface of the earth are not suited to white/colorless skin without melanin. Melanin is needed and highly desirable for the well-being and survival of the human species. It aids development and protects the cells, organs, systems etc of the body. This dominance tends to play out in nature, relationships, etc, which seems to be, at least part of why the albino male would seem so threatened and hostile.

They have felt the need to create these violent and oppressive artificial social and economic systems to make them feel secure, even though they are acting out of an irrational and thoroughly unscientific psychological complex. that is they fail to identify with their parental human family, and humanity as a whole, and are isolated--perhaps by numerous factors of their condition itself. This plays out in their relationships with their own people, and especially 'others'.

If we consider that melanin development is so essential to human development from the earliest stages of life, you will understand that their development is simply incomplete, which, in more extreme cases, has led to mental, social, and behavioral deficiencies as well, apparently. that is, they seem to be deficient in mental maturity in the form of morality, discretion, intuition, and healthy, harmonious social functioning with the rest (vast majority) of humanity. they have cast themselves as other.

As for albinos being kicked out of Africa, this is only one of several possible theories of their origins as a collective that she has presented. there is some record and remembrance of this among Africans, however, from the research that I have done, I believe otherwise. specifically, it is known that the albinos in Africa have always been loved and treated lovingly as family members among most people on the continent. the Africans are good and loving people, so that is what we expect.

however, it was learned that some of these people were associated with high rates of developmental disease, poor vision, lessened skill and hardiness, (relative to the environment of Africa, mind you) and normal societal functioning, mental retardation, and were prone to commit socially unacceptable behaviors and atrocities at times. for this reason they were viewed, at times, with taboo, with regard to marriage, family, etc. This is where Cress gets her theory.

I myself believe that most of the whites from Europe today are not from Africas minuscule albino minority, but from Africa's sister civilization in the Indus Valley. I believe this phenomenon of mass-albino-creation was due to one or a combination of habitual or environmental factors which are not yet understood--at least publicly. Topping this list are the habitual use of various drugs, possibly during pregnancy, and the strange blood rituals which I believe originated in this part of the world and spread to Scandinavia--because of the low UV index in the northern hemisphere.


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Re: African History Tribute: Frances Cress Welsing (and more) [Re: jainveganbuddha]
    #14002353 - 02/21/11 04:01 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

I hope you'll grace me with a reply also :smile:


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    #14002366 - 02/21/11 04:04 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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the Africans are good and loving people, so that is what we expect.





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Re: African History Tribute: Frances Cress Welsing (and more) [Re: jainveganbuddha]
    #14002379 - 02/21/11 04:06 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Lighter skin is an adaptation, not a form of genetic damage as you claim. And seriously, all those "attributes" you claim come with less melanin are hardly scientifically documented.

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    #14002406 - 02/21/11 04:10 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Genetics would say otherwise of this "sciece".

http://galsatia.files.wordpress.com/2007/04/blanche_paleur.pdf


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    #14002425 - 02/21/11 04:15 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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Humans and other organisms that live in the day on the surface of the earth are not suited to white/colorless skin without melanin. Melanin is needed and highly desirable for the well-being and survival of the human species. It aids development and protects the cells, organs, systems etc of the body. This dominance tends to play out in nature, relationships, etc, which seems to be, at least part of why the albino male would seem so threatened and hostile.




White people do have melanin, just not as much.  It is better to have dark skin in africa, but white skin evolved in the northern hemisphere for a reason.  You should also be aware that albinism is completely different from just having light skin.  Calling her statements "scientifically based" is completely wrong, it is pseudoscience.


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Re: African History Tribute: Frances Cress Welsing (and more) [Re: Le_Canard]
    #14002449 - 02/21/11 04:18 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

white skin is not an adaptation, it is a mutation and an undesirable genetic trait, unfortunately. this is not an insult, but melanin deficiency affects all stages of development , and slows development.

and in case you didnt know, those with thoroughly non-racist, and intermixed families such as myself know that among babies of mixed race, the ones that are fairer have slower maturation and development. their melanin and functional skills come in consistently later than those who are darker and get the dominant genes. they eventually get some color, and their eyes darken from pale blue to hazel or brown by age three.

white skin is not an adaptation, it is a mutation and an undesirable genetic trait, unfortunately. this is not an insult, but melanin deficiency affects all stages of development , and slows development.

and in case you didnt know, those with thoroughly non-racist, and intermixed families such as myself know that among babies of mixed race, the ones that are fairer have slower maturation and development. their melanin and functional skills come in consistently later than those who are darker and get the dominant genes. they eventually get some color, and their eyes darken from pale blue to hazel or brown by age three.

fully african babies show advanced skills of movement, function, interaction, and recognition very early relative to all other groups. they are hardier, in general, and are born with brown to dark brown eyes and full or nearly-full color.

by isolating themselves genetically through racism, the most albino lineages have shrunk their own gene pool to dangerous proportions, and kept themselves from the protective function of the majority genetic population. this is especially true among the aryan elite that controls the worlds banking systems etc. that is, by intermixing, they would stabilize and mask the recessive traits, strengthening their line. their own self-isolation is what has doomed them to degradation and extinction, it seems, scientifically speaking.

fully african babies show advanced skills of movement, function, interaction, and recognition very early relative to all other groups. they are hardier, in general, and are born with brown to dark brown eyes and full or nearly-full color.

by isolating themselves genetically through racism, the most albino lineages have shrunk their own gene pool to dangerous proportions, and kept themselves from the protective function of the majority genetic population. this is especially true among the aryan elite that controls the worlds banking systems etc. that is, by intermixing, they would stabilize and mask the recessive traits, strengthening their line. their own self-isolation is what has doomed them to degradation and extinction, it seems, scientifically speaking.
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Re: African History Tribute: Frances Cress Welsing (and more) [Re: jainveganbuddha]
    #14002465 - 02/21/11 04:20 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

read over that article that I linked, it explains things quite reasonable


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    #14002486 - 02/21/11 04:23 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

It IS an adaptation.  Why did you post everything twice?

And PLEASE stop calling white people albino.


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    #14002491 - 02/21/11 04:24 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Oh please. :facepalm: Link me to a legitimate scientific study demonstrating this.

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    #14002502 - 02/21/11 04:26 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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Humans and other organisms that live in the day on the surface of the earth are not suited to white/colorless skin without melanin. Melanin is needed and highly desirable for the well-being and survival of the human species. It aids development and protects the cells, organs, systems etc of the body. This dominance tends to play out in nature, relationships, etc, which seems to be, at least part of why the albino male would seem so threatened and hostile.




White people do have melanin, just not as much.  It is better to have dark skin in africa, but white skin evolved in the northern hemisphere for a reason.  You should also be aware that albinism is completely different from just having light skin.  Calling her statements "scientifically based" is completely wrong, it is pseudoscience.




No, there is no environment on the face of the earth that would make that state of pigmentation desirable, and that is why it is recessive, and plagued by all the abnormalities of any recessive phenotypes. People living where the UV index is lowest may benefit from being lighter but not white/aryan/pigmentless.

Most people who think of themselves as WHITE are falling into a trap set by the elites to divide categorize conquer and dominate the majority human population. People with recognizable amounts of melanin in the hair eyes skin etc are mixtures, because these traits can be diluted by codominance. I think if you realized how very white and colorless the true 'white' people of the ruling elite, and see them, you would know whats up. but we do not see them often. they have become isolated, evil, and twisted in their separation from their roots.


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Re: African History Tribute: Frances Cress Welsing (and more) [Re: jainveganbuddha]
    #14002534 - 02/21/11 04:30 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

for a legit scientific study, you need unbiased un-racist interpretation. what cress does is correctly interpret irrefutable scientific fact. you just dont want to accept it for your own inner reasons, it seems.

I have made the distinction between the truly white people as true albinos and the others who are conveniently classified by the elites as whites. this is a ploy to divide humanity (like all race and national divisions) up so that their albino minority can deal with them in smaller groups, and pit them against each other, as well.

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    #14002548 - 02/21/11 04:32 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

jainveganbuddha, please address this

Researchers have disagreed for decades about
an issue that is only skin-deep: How quickly
did the first modern humans who swept into
Europe acquire pale skin? Now a new report
on the evolution of a gene for skin color suggests
that Europeans lightened up quite
recently, perhaps only 6000 to 12,000 years
ago. This contradicts a long-standing hypothesis
that modern humans in Europe grew
paler about 40,000 years ago, as soon as they
migrated into northern latitudes. Under
darker skies, pale skin absorbs more sunlight
than dark skin, allowing ultraviolet rays to
produce more vitamin D for bone growth and
calcium absorption. “The [evolution of] light
skin occurred long after the arrival of modern
humans in Europe,” molecular anthropologist
Heather Norton of the University of Arizona,
Tucson, said in her talk.
The genetic origin of the spectrum of
human skin colors has been one of the big
puzzles of biology. Researchers made a
major breakthrough in 2005 by discovering a
gene, SLC24A5, that apparently causes pale
skin in many Europeans, but not in Asians.
A team led by geneticist Keith Cheng of
Pennsylvania State University (PSU) College
of Medicine in Hershey found two variants
of the gene that differed by just one
amino acid. Nearly all Africans and East
Asians had one allele, whereas 98% of the
120 Europeans they studied had the other
(Science, 28 October 2005, p. 601).
Norton, who worked on the Cheng study
as a graduate student, decided to find out
when that mutation swept through Europeans.
Working as a postdoc with geneticist Michael
Hammer at the University of Arizona, she
sequenced 9300 base pairs of DNA in the
SLC24A5 gene in 41 Europeans, Africans,
Asians, and American Indians.
Using variations in the gene that did not
cause paling, she calculated the background
mutation rate of SLC24A5 and thereby determined
that 18,000 years had passed since the
light-skin allele was fixed in Europeans. But
the error margins were large, so she also analyzed
variation in the DNA flanking the
gene. She found that Europeans with the
allele had a “striking lack of diversity” in
this flanking DNA—a sign of very recent
genetic change, because not enough time has
passed for new mutations to arise. The data
suggest that the selective sweep occurred
5300 to 6000 years ago, but given the imprecision
of method, the real date could be as far
back as 12,000 years ago, Norton said. She
added that other, unknown, genes probably
also cause paling in Europeans.
Either way, the implication is that our
European ancestors were brown-skinned
for tens of thousands of years—a suggestion
made 30 years ago by Stanford University
geneticist L. Luca Cavalli-Sforza. He
argued that the early immigrants to Europe,
who were hunter-gatherers, herders, and
fishers, survived on ready-made sources of
vitamin D in their diet. But when farming
spread in the past 6000 years, he argued,
Europeans had fewer sources of vitamin D
in their food and needed to absorb more
sunlight to produce the vitamin in their
skin. Cultural factors such as heavier clothing
might also have favored increased
absorption of sunlight on the few exposed
areas of skin, such as hands and faces, says
paleoanthropologist Nina Jablonski of PSU
in State College.
Such recent changes in skin color show
that humans are still evolving, says molecular
anthropologist Henry Harpending of the University
of Utah, Salt Lake City: “We have all
tacitly assumed for years that modern humans
showed up 45,000 years ago and have not
changed much since, while this and other
work shows that we continue to change, often
at a very fast rate.”


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    #14002552 - 02/21/11 04:32 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

More informative interviews with Dr. Welsing... enjoy.



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    #14002584 - 02/21/11 04:39 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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white skin is not an adaptation, it is a mutation and an undesirable genetic trait, unfortunately. this is not an insult, but melanin deficiency affects all stages of development , and slows development.




BS. Prove it.

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and in case you didnt know, those with thoroughly non-racist, and intermixed families such as myself know that among babies of mixed race, the ones that are fairer have slower maturation and development. their melanin and functional skills come in consistently later than those who are darker and get the dominant genes. they eventually get some color, and their eyes darken from pale blue to hazel or brown by age three.




Slower maturation? BS. Prove it.

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fully african babies show advanced skills of movement, function, interaction, and recognition very early relative to all other groups. they are hardier, in general, and are born with brown to dark brown eyes and full or nearly-full color.




Prove it?

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Humans and other organisms that live in the day on the surface of the earth are not suited to white/colorless skin without melanin. Melanin is needed and highly desirable for the well-being and survival of the human species. It aids development and protects the cells, organs, systems etc of the body. This dominance tends to play out in nature, relationships, etc, which seems to be, at least part of why the albino male would seem so threatened and hostile.




White people do have melanin, just not as much.  It is better to have dark skin in africa, but white skin evolved in the northern hemisphere for a reason.  You should also be aware that albinism is completely different from just having light skin.  Calling her statements "scientifically based" is completely wrong, it is pseudoscience.




No, there is no environment on the face of the earth that would make that state of pigmentation desirable, and that is why it is recessive, and plagued by all the abnormalities of any recessive phenotypes. People living where the UV index is lowest may benefit from being lighter but not white/aryan/pigmentless.

Most people who think of themselves as WHITE are falling into a trap set by the elites to divide categorize conquer and dominate the majority human population. People with recognizable amounts of melanin in the hair eyes skin etc are mixtures, because these traits can be diluted by codominance. I think if you realized how very white and colorless the true 'white' people of the ruling elite, and see them, you would know whats up. but we do not see them often. they have become isolated, evil, and twisted in their separation from their roots.




Why then is pretty much the entire indigenous population of the northern hemisphere white?  Are they all inbred and pointless mutants?  Also, I don't understand why you call "whiteness" recessive when children mixed between african and caucasian heritage are basically medium colored.  If whiteness is recessive, children with one white parent and one black would come out as black as the black parent.  I believe skin color genes should properly be considered codominant.


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Re: African History Tribute: Frances Cress Welsing (and more) [Re: jainveganbuddha]
    #14002611 - 02/21/11 04:45 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Dark skin and melanin are known to absorb and protect the body from all kinds of radiation, not just light in the visible spectrum.

I understand what the article is saying, but you have to understand that africans are the parental roots of humanity. it is no mystery where whiteness and those in between come from. It happens when albinos mix with others. endless variations are possible, and africans with every varion of features--from hair texture to facial shape etc are present in africa... and her sister civilization in India. these european scientists are just guessing and postulating from data and their own mind-state as well.

genes do not adapt to environment. this may happen by genetic mixing and survival due to desirable traits for the environment, but according to their info there should still be mostly dark people in europe!

genetic mutation is exclusively degrading. nothing good comes of it. intermixing in sexual reproduction seems to allow for this damage to be corrected from the other parents genes.

Im not sure what your scientific background is, but I completed my pre-meds requisites, and I feel Cress has her conclusions pretty much correct. if she did not, I would say so.


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Re: African History Tribute: Frances Cress Welsing (and more) [Re: jainveganbuddha]
    #14002628 - 02/21/11 04:49 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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yeah, i didnt read the entire body of the text





You insinuate I nick other peoples work, yet you didnt even bother to read the copypasta that is the original post of this thread? :owned:


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these are interpretations of her work from others, which I find to be incorrect interpretations.




No, what I quoted were her actual words, and the interpretation thereof was mine.

Let me reference one in particular:


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On both St. Valentine’s Day and Mother’s Day, the white male gives gifts of chocolate candy with nuts…. If his sweetheart ingests "chocolate with nuts," the white male can fantasize that he is genetically equal to the Black male…. Is it not also curious that when white males are young and vigorous, they attempt to master the large brown balls, but as they become older and wiser, they psychologically resign themselves to their inability to master the large brown balls? Their focus then shifts masochistically to hitting the tiny white golf balls in disgust and resignation — in full final realization of white genetic recessiveness.

Frances, Cress Welsing (1990). The Isis Papers: The Keys to the Colors. Third World Press. ISBN 0-88378-104-2.




That humongous load of sexual racial speculation based on her obeservations of white men playing sports are from her own book, the Isis Papers.


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Welsing also claims that the prevalence of high blood pressure among African Americans is due to the fact that melanin picks up "energy vibrations" from people who are experiencing stress. Thus people with dark skin will absorb the effects of stress in others resulting in higher blood pressure.

Welsing, F. C. 1975. Blacks, hypertension, and the active skin melanocyte. Urban Health, 4(3):64-72.





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Melanin theory is a pseudoscientific theory, founded in the distortion of known physical properties of melanin, a natural polymer and organic semiconductor.[1] In humans, melanin is the primary determinant of skin color. People whose ancestors lived for long periods in the regions of the globe near the equator generally have larger quantities of eumelanin in their skins. Melanin theorists assert that the possession of greater quantities of melanin causes an inherent superiority of black people. Conversely, its lack demonstrates the essential inhumanity and inferiority of white people. The theory is linked to black supremacism.

Some black supremacists justify supremacist assertions by assigning dubious properties to melanin based on pseudoscience and distortions of scientific fact or speculation. Scientists consider melanin theory pseudoscience; it has no credibility in mainstream medicine or science.

Ortiz de Montellano, Bernard R. (17 Dec 2006). "Afrocentric Pseudoscience: The Miseducation of African Americans". Annals of the New York Academy of Sciences (New York Academy of Sciences) 775: 561–572.




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what do the Europeans have that has not been stolen?




Do you want an answer to that? It's going to be a very long list.

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look at the world banking system and practices, and tell me who is stealing??




Oy! White people did the Rotschilds international banking cartel too?

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I dont think she is racist, she is taking a logical and scientific approach to problems caused by the people she is referring to




Melanin Theory is as quacky as pseudoscience can get, if you think that's scientific you either dont understand melanin theory or you dont understand science.

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People like you seem unable to handle intelligent discussion, because of one of many complexes, or possibly innate reasons. you have to consider that you may have a deficiency state that affects your behavior and functioning, and therefore submit to the guidance and help of those more able.




wut? Are you implying I'm being this way because I'm white? That's awesome :smile2:

You and I agree on more things than you can hope to find in just about any thread, but you're ruining it because instead of admitting that the good lady made some atrociously incorrect statements in the course of her life, you choose to defend these statements that disqualify your point of view.

Its obvious you idolize her. I invite you to take a more critical look at the direct quotes of her I made from the post you started this thread with.

I could even teach you a thing or two about melanin :smile:


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    #14002634 - 02/21/11 04:51 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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genes do not adapt to environment. this may happen by genetic mixing and survival due to desirable traits for the environment, but according to their info there should still be mostly dark people in europe!




How should there still be mostly dark people in europe if this random mutation was 10,000 years ago, as well as beneficial?

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genetic mutation is exclusively degrading. nothing good comes of it.




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Re: African History Tribute: Frances Cress Welsing (and more) [Re: jainveganbuddha]
    #14002637 - 02/21/11 04:52 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

:facepalm: at "genetic mutation is exclusively degrading. nothing good comes of it."


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Re: African History Tribute: Frances Cress Welsing (and more) [Re: Shroomerette]
    #14002642 - 02/21/11 04:54 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Well, basically, there is no indigenous population to the northern hemisphere and colder places of the earth. They migrated there, perhaps because of the favorable weather for their condition, i believe. science seems to agree.

no they are not pointless mutants, they are all precious human beings, but it is they who largely isolate themselves--largely under their elite's policies and conditioning. it is they who act with hostility toward the majority population of the earth. best people start to realize whats going on so they can act accordingly.

accordingly, the albino trait is recessive. the 'pure aryan' or pigmentless humans are the true 'white' people, and the rest are half-castes, semites, half-breeds, etc... according to the truly white people who believe their bloodlines are 'pure'...in their psychotic complex.


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Re: African History Tribute: Frances Cress Welsing (and more) [Re: jainveganbuddha]
    #14002684 - 02/21/11 05:01 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Can you give me an example of one of the "truly white people" please?


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Re: African History Tribute: Frances Cress Welsing (and more) [Re: Asante]
    #14002689 - 02/21/11 05:03 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

you are misquoting her. some of those are referring to the texts you cite, but are not her actual words.

you can argue and fight it all you want. but if you were wise, you would quiet down and listen, instead of displaying your insecurity all over the thread and clogging it with endless argument and static.

you are entitled to your opinion, it is nothing new to most people on the planet, to be sure. and your weak attempts to be Politically Correct does not hide your racism. this is just a strategy to wage a covert war, instead of alerting the people of color of the world to your people's agenda, overall.

the only way albino people stay albino, being a vast minority, is by racism and isolation. that's fine, its just all the violence, genocide, hostility and theft etc that is a problem. maybe you should think more about that. personally, i dont think you are at all qualified to debate Dr Welsing, at least not in an intelligent fashion. Let it go and move on moderator?


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Re: African History Tribute: Frances Cress Welsing (and more) [Re: jainveganbuddha]
    #14002719 - 02/21/11 05:10 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

You do know that there are less black people than white people right?  Where are you getting that white people are a "vast minority"?

This is from the wiki article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melanin_Theory to show the quality of welsings science.

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Welsing also claims that the prevalence of high blood pressure among African Americans is due to the fact that melanin picks up "energy vibrations" from people who are experiencing stress. Thus people with dark skin will absorb the effects of stress in others resulting in higher blood pressure.


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Re: African History Tribute: Frances Cress Welsing (and more) [Re: Shroomerette]
    #14002738 - 02/21/11 05:12 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

apparently, there is much about melanin and dark peoples that you dont understand. i think your position is clear. no need to troll.


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    #14002749 - 02/21/11 05:14 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Hope to hear comments and insights from others, I have to go. this is not my day job like some others on here, who get paid to do it :-)


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Re: African History Tribute: Frances Cress Welsing (and more) [Re: jainveganbuddha]
    #14002803 - 02/21/11 05:24 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

I'm definitely not trolling, I'm noticing that you've ignored every legitimate objection to your melanin theory that I've mentioned.

1) If whiteness is recessive then why do mixed children generally have intermediate skin color?

2) If whiteness is not beneficial for certain environments, then why did it occur and continue to be present in people living in the northern hemisphere? And why are the scientific reasons behind white/light skin logical and considered scientifically valid by most?

3) If you call yourself racially unbiased, then why do you seem to be trying to give legitimacy to "melanin theory", which is generally accepted to be pseuoscience that is a tool of black supremacists (which Walsing is)?

4) Give an example of one of the "real white people" who you call albinos).

5) Why do you call white people a "vast minority" when there are fewer black people than white people?

6) How is black supremacy different from white supremacy?  (I know you haven't said the words "black supremacy", but you have defended black supremacy theories and given examples of the ways black people are superior)

Please answer each one, thank you.


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    #14002889 - 02/21/11 05:44 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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and your weak attempts to be Politically Correct does not hide your racism. this is just a strategy to wage a covert war, instead of alerting the people of color of the world to your people's agenda, overall.





Are you addressing me as an individual or as a percieved race?

"my peoples agenda", wow. You have some pretty racist views JVB, and you are pretty aggressive for someone with Careful Nonviolence Toward All Life Forms in their signature.

How about some careful nonviolence towards me, instead of labelling me a genetically deficient white devil?

You don't know the first thing about me, not even whether I'm white, yet you are claiming I'm furthering the agenda of "my people" whoever that may be.

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the only way albino people stay albino, being a vast minority, is by racism and isolation.




White. People. Are. Not. Albinos.

Here are two albinos:





Albinism is something different.

Let me ask you a serious question now, and by all means, answer it truthfully:

How can albino white people exist, if being white IS albinism?

Oh and in defense of African albinos, your assertion that black people are all so welcoming to their albino children is simply not true. Often they are outcast, subject to violence or even killed for supernatural reasons:
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In African countries such as Tanzania[12] and Burundi,[13][14] there has been an unprecedented rise in witchcraft-related killings of albino people in recent years. This is because albino body parts are used in potions sold by witchdoctors. Numerous authenticated incidents have occurred in Africa during the 21st Century.[15][16][17][18] For example, in Tanzania, in September 2009, three men were convicted of killing a 14-year-old albino boy and severing his legs in order to sell them for witchcraft purposes.[19] Again in Tanzania and Burundi in 2010, the murder and dismemberment of a kidnapped albino child is reported from the courts,[13] as part of a continuing problem.

Other examples: In Zimbabwe, belief that sex with an albinistic woman will cure a man of HIV has led to rapes (and subsequent HIV infection).[20]




If you live in one of many countries of Africa, and you're an albino, you generally have more albinism related problems than the merciless sun.

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personally, i dont think you are at all qualified to debate Dr Welsing




Cool, is that a university credentials thing or a race thing?


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Re: African History Tribute: Frances Cress Welsing (and more) [Re: Shroomerette]
    #14005417 - 02/22/11 01:59 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

This one goes out to my sisters and brothers from the continent of Eden...ethiopia, egypt, nubia, and the indus valley... the first humanitarians, the first vegetarians, those who respected all life forms, the scholars, the pure souls... the people of the sun

:sunny: :awegroove:  :awegroove:  :awegroove:  :sunny:



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    #14005896 - 02/22/11 04:46 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Yes, it's such a paradise in those places. People are just fighting to go there.

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    #14006007 - 02/22/11 06:02 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

And everyone who doesnt go along with the partyline gets put on ignore?

What a lame move to put me on ignore jainveganbuddha, just cause I don't agree with your version of the truth.

Its especially ironic given my general point of view on these matters which is pretty well known around these parts.



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Re: African History Tribute: Frances Cress Welsing (and more) [Re: Asante]
    #14006049 - 02/22/11 06:23 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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And everyone who doesnt go along with the partyline gets put on ignore?

What a lame move to put me on ignore jainveganbuddha, just cause I don't agree with your version of the truth.





it's called enlightenment, everyone knows the truly enlightened cant
handle opposing view points but obviously when they spread their own
version of racism it's fine just dont disagree because you'd be wrong,
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    #14007090 - 02/22/11 12:12 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Not all threads are for everyone. dont come into a thread just because you want to fight and argue and are in a bad mood or have bad energy to blow off. Come in for harmonious discussion of the topic, like an intelligent individual. when you come in acting in a poor manner, you get a poor result.

Its not racism, its science and rational thinking, so people can begin to understand the abominable behavior historically, consistently, and presently being perpetuated against the majority of the planet's people by one single branch oh humanity gone awry. sure its racism to call an orange an orange. everybody already knows the evil of the european whites. everyone already knows there is something deeply wrong with them. were just figuring out what exactly is causing them to behave consistently in such a despicable manner. sure, thats racism.

Frances' work is for the purpose of generating understanding and improved mental health in the traumatized African population (and other people of color), so the mind can move with greater power. Realize the game and mentally, one can put the psychotic criminal thugs in their place, historically and presently.

You see, african people and others have been traumatized beyond your understanding. they have been made to believe, in many cases, that there is something wrong or inferior about them by the global system of racism white supremacy. but they need to flip the script and know the truth. It is they who are whole and complete, and it is the evil perpetuators of violence and slavery that have something wrong with them. THEY are incomplete in their development, lacking, immoral, and they have projected their own inadequacy on all other peoples of the earth for purposes of oppression and mental slavery.

Of course most of the so-called white people are only low class dupes (not considered pure blood but half-breeds) in the army and service of their evil albino aryan masters who actually run the world banking system and populate the so-called noble bloodlines that once invaded and took over europe, establishing kingdoms. thats vi-king-doms.

just see the racists and "moderators" swarm to derail the thread and discussion with negative energy and nonsense. they remind me of a pack of wolves. they dont want people to know the truth. they may not want to face it themselves.

when you talk of african racism, you refer to discussions and intellectual scholarship etc. when we talk of white racism we speak of endless invasion, rape, pillaging, murder, enslavement, economic slavery, economic exploitation via fake money systems and global exchange rates, genocide, mind control, fake organized religions, manipulation of news and media, secret societies conspiring to do great evil, hanging and lynching, castration, circumcision, war, bombing, nuclear holocausts, and I could go on and on.

this should put things in perspective. so, there is a need, and must be more and more discussion and exploration on just what is going wrong in europe and elsewhere that is causing these people to despoil and ruin our planet. IMO no amount or type of discussion should be spoken against, because answers are critically needed, and nothing is taboo or inappropriate in light of the truth of what they hav e done and are still doing to our world.


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    #14007104 - 02/22/11 12:14 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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it's baseless racism supported by contrived theories by someone with an agenda and a desire to stir unrest




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    #14007118 - 02/22/11 12:17 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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Its not racism, its science and rational thinking




it's racism purported to be science with no rational thinking

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Re: African History Tribute: Frances Cress Welsing (and more) [Re: DrMambo]
    #14007133 - 02/22/11 12:19 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

i wouldnt say baseless, racism, or contrived. but only certain minds can understand certain things. some people work through knowledge and intelligence, rather than through aggression and barbarian brutality though :smirk:


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    #14007158 - 02/22/11 12:23 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

I showed you some hard science that countered all of these claims with absolute genetics, but you continue to expound on someone who is postulating only theories, with no evidence to back them up, based only on the past couple hundred years of socioeconomics. Hateful theories, at that.

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    #14007173 - 02/22/11 12:26 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

no youve just spouted your thinly veiled racism out of insecurity and poor scientific understanding IMO. you argue for the sake of argument, and the fight your fragile psychological delusion supports. face the truth is my advice.


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    #14007188 - 02/22/11 12:28 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Oh dang. I'm part of a race of albinos pushed out of Africa for being overly violent, hateful, and needing to control every other race to quell my own insecurities.

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