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Re: To doubters, skeptics and logical thinkers. [Re: DieCommie]
    #13825957 - 01/21/11 12:55 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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Eintstein was a very spiritually advanced being, you're lying to yourself if you believe otherwise.





You are talking to me?  When did I say otherwise?  Looks like a typical tactic, criticizing me for something I never said.  And yet you have the gall to call me the liar.  And the mystics around here wonder why they get no respect...

(btw, I do not believe einstein's spritulaity was anything like the bull that gets spewed around here.)




Einstein's spirituality was quite a bit like the bull that gets spewed around here.  The idea that space and time are relative is a completely world altering idea, as I'm sure you know.  But do you really take that truth to heart? There is no intrinsic nature in anything.  Including external objects, and including the mind.  You are all of it.  Plenty of people on this forum understand that, it's really the core of spirituality.


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Re: To doubters, skeptics and logical thinkers. [Re: c0sm0nautt]
    #13826896 - 01/21/11 03:43 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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Off topic but, Ever read anything about Ghandi? I think he was one of the most decent human beings to walk this Earth. Such discipline and dedication to peace and his truths.




Isn't it spelled Gandhi?  There's also some speculation that he may have been a racist:

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Some of Gandhi's early South African articles are controversial. On 7 March 1908, Gandhi wrote in the Indian Opinion of his time in a South African prison: "Kaffirs are as a rule uncivilised—the convicts even more so. They are troublesome, very dirty and live almost like animals."[15] Writing on the subject of immigration in 1903, Gandhi commented: "We believe as much in the purity of race as we think they do... We believe also that the white race in South Africa should be the predominating race."[16] During his time in South Africa, Gandhi protested repeatedly about the social classification of blacks with Indians, whom he described as "undoubtedly infinitely superior to the Kaffirs".[17] Remarks such as these have led some to accuse Gandhi of racism.[18]



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohandas_Karamchand_Gandhi#Racism_and_controversy


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Re: To doubters, skeptics and logical thinkers. [Re: deCypher]
    #13826969 - 01/21/11 03:54 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

I'm not familiar of his early stuff. He wrote that when he was in his 30s. Perhaps he was at some time, but I won't use that to discredit all the good he brought to the world. :shrug:

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Re: To doubters, skeptics and logical thinkers. [Re: DieCommie] * 2
    #13827090 - 01/21/11 04:19 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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guruu said:
Eintstein was a very spiritually advanced being, you're lying to yourself if you believe otherwise.





You are talking to me?  When did I say otherwise?  Looks like a typical tactic, criticizing me for something I never said.  And yet you have the gall to call me the liar.  And the mystics around here wonder why they get no respect...

(btw, I do not believe einstein's spritulaity was anything like the bull that gets spewed around here.)




See dude, this is the kind of thing that isn't tolerated in the forum. It isn't because you doubt things, its because you've moved far beyond the doubt of a single topic point and are now on to discrediting the entire forum as well as insulting its members. Cut it out. This is the only warning I am giving you.


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Re: To doubters, skeptics and logical thinkers. [Re: Kickle] * 3
    #13827127 - 01/21/11 04:25 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

I dont accept the warning.  He called me a liar and made a false accusation.  There is nothing wrong with my reply at all, besides not agreeing with the status quo.

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Re: To doubters, skeptics and logical thinkers. [Re: DieCommie]
    #13827172 - 01/21/11 04:34 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Remember this isn't the philosophy forum.

I don't want you getting banned from here like I usually do.:lol:

I like your input.


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Re: To doubters, skeptics and logical thinkers. [Re: DieCommie] * 1
    #13827180 - 01/21/11 04:36 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

so you can't think of any way to handle a one-on-one situation without insulting the entire forum? Id suggest working on it, because if I see that unwarrented belittling again you will be taking a vacation from here.


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Re: To doubters, skeptics and logical thinkers. [Re: DieCommie]
    #13827381 - 01/21/11 05:34 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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No really he did suck at math. Hes struggled with it for year, research it.




I have.  You are wrong.  He excelled at math, and always did.



Ok im sorry i might be wrong about that, i did not research the guy to much but and i recall a documentary saying that he struggled with math in certain areas and he had to teach himself.


But just because i make a mistake & make assumptions doesnt mean all mystical forum is bullshit.
I like to judge things by not what society gives me in the books, but how things actually feel right.
Its much more real to me to not live a life trying to prove things wrong and right all the time.

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Re: To doubters, skeptics and logical thinkers. [Re: Icelander]
    #13827391 - 01/21/11 05:37 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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No really he did suck at math. Hes struggled with it for year, research it.


I think Einstein had a high level of Chi in his head area, he was able to tap into subconcious shit a lot of people cant tap into.


I dont need to read his research papers, i dont care.



Its ignorant to judge people over stupid shit.





Of course you don't want to read his research papers. You might have to revise your views.  His shitty math skills would make most peoples appear to be non existent. He may have struggled with them but he was struggling with math that was amazingly difficult.  And obviously he conquered it to a great degree.

No one is judging you but instead judging what you say.



Yeah thats why its important to think about things before i throw them up everywhere.

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Re: To doubters, skeptics and logical thinkers. [Re: deCypher]
    #13827555 - 01/21/11 06:17 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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c0sm0nautt said:
Off topic but, Ever read anything about Ghandi? I think he was one of the most decent human beings to walk this Earth. Such discipline and dedication to peace and his truths.




Isn't it spelled Gandhi?  There's also some speculation that he may have been a racist:

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Some of Gandhi's early South African articles are controversial. On 7 March 1908, Gandhi wrote in the Indian Opinion of his time in a South African prison: "Kaffirs are as a rule uncivilised—the convicts even more so. They are troublesome, very dirty and live almost like animals."[15] Writing on the subject of immigration in 1903, Gandhi commented: "We believe as much in the purity of race as we think they do... We believe also that the white race in South Africa should be the predominating race."[16] During his time in South Africa, Gandhi protested repeatedly about the social classification of blacks with Indians, whom he described as "undoubtedly infinitely superior to the Kaffirs".[17] Remarks such as these have led some to accuse Gandhi of racism.[18]



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohandas_Karamchand_Gandhi#Racism_and_controversy



My understanding is that his views on race changed over time, just like Malcolm X.  This was well before he became an activist for Indian independence.  My real gripe with his later views is just how dogmatic his pacifism was.  He believed that the Jews in Nazi Germany should practice the same kind of nonviolent civil disobedience that he was practicing, taking no account of how the British saw themselves vs. how the Nazis saw themselves.


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Re: To doubters, skeptics and logical thinkers. [Re: Silversoul]
    #13827904 - 01/21/11 07:18 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Good example of how we are all human with our pluses and minuses.  Soom see him as a saint because they are wowed by the pluses and so won't see the minuses. 

I now see all men from the so called great to the small as cut from the same cloth.


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Re: To doubters, skeptics and logical thinkers. [Re: DieCommie]
    #13829102 - 01/21/11 11:07 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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I dont accept the warning.  He called me a liar and made a false accusation.  There is nothing wrong with my reply at all, besides not agreeing with the status quo.




I was just saying you're doing it about that, not that you are actually a "liar"


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Re: To doubters, skeptics and logical thinkers. [Re: OutThisLife]
    #13829640 - 01/22/11 01:00 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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Maybe you should give that logical thinking you decry a try?  Dont be close minded to logic, it is useful.




Er, this is in the spirituality forum. Logical thinking applies to daily life and other low-end thoughts.




daily life is low end? wow bro. idk about you but i like my daily life.
it puts food on my table.


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Re: To doubters, skeptics and logical thinkers. [Re: Kickle]
    #13830539 - 01/22/11 08:46 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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Why would you post this here?  Doubters, skeptics and logical thinkers are deterred from visiting this subforum.




Not true. The rules are about how a person, be they doubter, skeptic, logical thinker, or the more than likely all of the above, engages another.





Speaking from my personal opinion only, and not as a moderator (held these views for a while now):

I agree that you are correct in your statement of the 'rules' (what is printed in the rules post) but disagree that they have much to do with what gets you banned or not from this forum.

I still have no understanding of what is or isn't allowed in this forum to any degree of confidence, and I would think it would be great if what you've said were true, but it just doesn't comport with my recollection and observations of what actually goes down.  Even asking what the rules are is apparently against the rules, and in the past, the 'clarifying' posts of moderators on just what is and is not allowed often are self-contradictory and seem entirely ad-hoc.  For example, it was stated that the rules allow you to answer questions asked without running afoul of the rules, however; there are a number of examples of incidents casting doubt on this- where what seemed like posters acting in good faith were disciplined for their replies due to the opinions expressed.

I liked when you were made a moderator, Kickle, as I didn't think you were big on viewpoint discrimination or things like that, so maybe its changing, but citing the rules to point out what is and isn't allowed seems pretty suspect in this forum.  I should note that this opinion of mine is formed mostly from things occurring a while ago, so should not be taken as a criticism of the currently-active staff or the way the forum is presently run (which I don't really know much about), but I've observed some of this activity continuing and presume things remain much the same.

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Re: To doubters, skeptics and logical thinkers. [Re: johnm214]
    #13830576 - 01/22/11 09:00 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

I still have no idea what the rules actually are in this forum, and I would think it would be great if what you've said were true, but it just doesn't comport with my recollection and observations of what actually goes down.  Even asking what the rules are is apparently against the rules, and the 'clarifying' posts of moderators on just what is and is not allowed often are self-contradictory and seem entirely ad-hoc.

I can't help myself from making an observation here and I hope it doesn't get me banned but the above is pretty much how "spirituality" works in general around here.:lol:


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Re: To doubters, skeptics and logical thinkers. [Re: Icelander]
    #13830705 - 01/22/11 09:42 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

The big problem I see is the viewpoint discrimination.  I think it should be antithetical to a spirituality forum to favor particular viewpoints, but its hard to see how this isn't the general way in which the forum has operated in the past few years (not as familiar with it currently).

If particular viewpoints are favored or particular views are simply disallowed, it would be better to have that stated in the rules, in my opinion.  Something like "You may disagree or critically discuss Christians and Christianity.  You may not disagree with or critically discuss new age beliefs and new agers' views."

I personally think a forum, especially one on a subject as diverse and amorphous as spirituality, should be free from viewpoint discrimination, but far better to institutionalize it and make it easy to comply with than to let it continue to be absent from the rules yet apparently enforced.

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Re: To doubters, skeptics and logical thinkers. [Re: johnm214] * 1
    #13830785 - 01/22/11 10:09 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

It's pretty simple, be a jerk and you will get warned/banned. There's no grand formula to it. You don't walk into downtown Harlem and start dropping the N-Bomb, similarly you shouldn't go into a mysticism forum and say "And the mystics around here wonder why they get no respect..." It's called trolling, trying to start trouble.

We have pretty good discussions around here with all points of view, and the people who post here regularly will attest to that. It's not what you say, it's how you say it. If you treat others with respect, as opposed to calling out the entire forum, you won't ever have a single problem with the moderators here. :shrug: A big part of showing respect is being open minded to others beliefs - that is what this forum is all about.

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Re: To doubters, skeptics and logical thinkers. [Re: OutThisLife]
    #13830806 - 01/22/11 10:09 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

This thread has been closed.

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