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 skatealex2
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 Zone Out
#13658866 - 12/19/10 09:50 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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My new philosophy i want to follow for now and onward. What better of way being is there. Drugs or no drugs, it's hard to beat zoning out.
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Devlish2
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Being in the zone is pretty cool too.
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TrippyNinja
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Sometimes zoning out gets you in the zone...
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Overhead the albatross hangs motionless upon the air
And deep beneath the rolling waves
In labyrinths of coral caves
The echo of a distant time
Comes willowing across the sand
And everything is green and submarine
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 Icelander
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Quote:
skatealex2 said:
My new philosophy i want to follow for now and onward. What better of way being is there. Drugs or no drugs, it's hard to beat zoning out.
Rock steady Eddie
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“What is the ideal for mental health, then? A lived, compelling illusion that does not lie about life, death, and reality; one honest enough to follow its own commandments: I mean, not to kill, not to take the lives of others to justify itself.”
― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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xFrockx
 
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I work people who have been diagnosed with mental retardation among other things.
The other day I made eggs for a client I work with, and he really liked them. He told me I should be a chef. I told him how I made the eggs, and told him he could easily make them himself. (My personal recipe is eggs, a little water, salt and pepper. He told me he knew how, and that he makes them like his dad. The next day he made a hamburger by himself and seasoned it like I did the eggs, with salt and pepper. And later on he even attempted to make eggs, like I make them.
Now, its not much, but seeing this kid go from someone who called every staff member a douche and doing little cooking for himself, to seeing him happily begin to make things on his own, on his own initiative, well, its not much but I think it beats zoning out.
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Icelander
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Do we have to keep everyone alive no matter how dysfunctional they are?
I vote for zoning out.
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“What is the ideal for mental health, then? A lived, compelling illusion that does not lie about life, death, and reality; one honest enough to follow its own commandments: I mean, not to kill, not to take the lives of others to justify itself.”
― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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xFrockx
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"Do we have to keep everyone alive no matter how dysfunctional they are?"
No. We don't have to.
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Icelander
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But at least it gives you a job right?
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“What is the ideal for mental health, then? A lived, compelling illusion that does not lie about life, death, and reality; one honest enough to follow its own commandments: I mean, not to kill, not to take the lives of others to justify itself.”
― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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xFrockx
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We don't have to care for anyone, even ourselves. We could all just fuck off and die at any instant, and there is nothing stopping us and no real reason not to.
We probably all have our reasons why we don't go that route. My own reasons for not doing so have changed over the course of my life.
But ultimately, there is no objective reason why we should do anything. However, if we can attain some subjective peace while we're here, it at least makes the wait alright.
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Icelander
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Or we could institute quality control on what we choose to care about.
Obviously that's going to be subjective to the individual.
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“What is the ideal for mental health, then? A lived, compelling illusion that does not lie about life, death, and reality; one honest enough to follow its own commandments: I mean, not to kill, not to take the lives of others to justify itself.”
― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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xFrockx
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"Or we could institute quality control on what we choose to care about.
Obviously that's going to be subjective to the individual."
Feeling good is not necessarily up to us. Lets say you eat to be happy. You eat, you get happy, you eat more, you get happy, you eat more, you get happy. Well your stomach expands, you need more food. So you eat more, and be happy. But while this goes on, if you happen to not be able to eat, the more you've become reliant on lots of it the more you will suffer.
Or lets say its sex. You fuck, you get happy. You fuck more, you get happy. The same sex over and over gets bland, or you don't get enough sex, so you get more and different sex, and you get happy. Again, if you find yourself without sex you will suffer more than someone who doesn't care much about sex and doesn't do it often anyway.
But with other things, there is no continuous bar to be raised. Giving, for instance. I at least don't need to give more and more to receive the same satisfaction, and plus there is the relief of giving away something and not having it anymore. Helping too. I at least don't need to help more and more, or with increasingly difficult people, to feel the same reward. If you find yourself without anyone to help, well, then you probably aren't looking hard enough.
Now, why could there be a difference? I see the selfish ways we can find happiness as fleeting, because in my experience wants can never be completely fulfilled, and when they are fulfilled at all they become stronger. However, in unselfish ways of finding happiness there is a kind of relief I get from it. Not from a feeling of accomplishment, but from a feeling of forgetting myself. Losing myself by helping other people, with my fullest attention and love. I guess with food and sex we get lost in the tastes or the orgasm, but helping doesn't carry some of the blowback from these ways of being happy. Maybe eating and having sex to be happy has no blowback to you, but this is contrary to my experience (at least when they are used as a primary means of fulfillment, when done in moderation selfish ways of being happy are less consequential).
Now, that might just be bullshit but I think there is a real difference between selfish want fulfillment and the relief of unselfishness. Through the relief of unselfishness we can forget about our selfish wants, if not only for a time. There is a difference I think, to giving someone else your fullest attention, and giving yourself your fullest attention. Seems pretty concrete to me, but it might not be. I don't know.
Edited by xFrockx (12/20/10 10:19 AM)
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Icelander
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In the vein of how you often post here.
There is no way to know if you're ideas of helping others really accomplish that end. Let's say I guilt trip a suicide out of killing themselves by saying they would be hurting their friends and family. So this person goes on enduring tremendous suffering that they don't really want but my help got them to stay alive. Have I helped anyone but myself?
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“What is the ideal for mental health, then? A lived, compelling illusion that does not lie about life, death, and reality; one honest enough to follow its own commandments: I mean, not to kill, not to take the lives of others to justify itself.”
― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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xFrockx
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"There is no way to know if you're ideas of helping others really accomplish that end."
But it doesn't really matter if it does, because helping in itself is what allows me to forget myself. Forgetting myself is my reward for helping, not a false sense of accomplishment. When I see people happy as the result of what I do, its just a bonus. The happiness for me there comes from the reflection of their smile.
But if I helped people in selfish ways (like your suicide example, guilt being the way of helping rather than showing the person why they would want to live, if there would be any reason at all), I wouldn't be getting that reward even. I don't know if one one can forget onesself much trying to convince someone else to be them. So some people who help others might not get the same thing out of it that I do.
Edited by xFrockx (12/20/10 10:52 AM)
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