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#13591401 - 12/06/10 02:59 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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I started typing a transcript of what the narrator says...but I think I'm way off on some of it.
What does this all mean?
"Ooh the beauty of the exquisite original nature. Yet are minds are caked with thick ash and awful soot.Lusting for comfort we absorbed every distraction. And the fail safe teeth, proxy deeper. Viruses are constantly pronouncing back doors. Seeking truth is very dangerous and dusty. Consciousness is never simple. The human mind is still the greatest commodity. Suddenly our mass attention was shifted. Returning to our________."
I really am curious about those blanks.
Edited by curious mouse (12/07/10 12:21 PM)
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Re: Zombie Dasein: Help me discover the full meaning of this short trippy video. [Re: curious mouse]
#13592222 - 12/06/10 05:35 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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Hey man!
I actually did a search for the narrative in the video you're talking about, and stumbled across this forum... I have no idea what it means, it's one of the trippiest things I've ever seen. But I -think- he says something like "The human mind is still the greatest commodity"..Something about it being a commodity.
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Re: Zombie Dasein: Help me discover the full meaning of this short trippy video. [Re: curious mouse]
#13592307 - 12/06/10 05:46 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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The human mind is still the most precious commodity. Suddenly our mass attention was shifted. Returning to our ???? something.
Best I could interpret; definitely a trippy video! 
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Re: Zombie Dasein: Help me discover the full meaning of this short trippy video. [Re: deCypher]
#13595875 - 12/07/10 12:22 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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I don't understand "and the fail safe teeth proxy deeper?" anyone care to explain that.
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Re: Zombie Dasein: Help me discover the full meaning of this short trippy video. [Re: curious mouse]
#13595917 - 12/07/10 12:30 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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dunno brah
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Re: Zombie Dasein: Help me discover the full meaning of this short trippy video. [Re: curious mouse]
#13595937 - 12/07/10 12:33 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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curious mouse said:
I don't understand "and the fail safe teeth proxy deeper?" anyone care to explain that.
Our reactionary instincts find ever more reasons for their actions ?????
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Re: Zombie Dasein: Help me discover the full meaning of this short trippy video. [Re: Brainstem]
#13600506 - 12/08/10 08:29 AM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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Brainstem said:
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curious mouse said:
I don't understand "and the fail safe teeth proxy deeper?" anyone care to explain that.
Our reactionary instincts find ever more reasons for their actions ?????
i don't know how you came to this...but i like it...
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Re: Zombie Dasein: Help me discover the full meaning of this short trippy video. [Re: curious mouse]
#13600640 - 12/08/10 08:55 AM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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Quote:
curious mouse said:
I started typing a transcript of what the narrator says...but I think I'm way off on some of it.
What does this all mean?
"Ooh the beauty of the exquisite original nature. Yet are minds are caked with thick ash and awful soot.Lusting for comfort we absorbed every distraction. And the fail safe teeth, proxy deeper. Viruses are constantly pronouncing back doors. Seeking truth is very dangerous and dusty. Consciousness is never simple. The human mind is still the greatest commodity. Suddenly our mass attention was shifted. Returning to our________."
I really am curious about those blanks.
It's quite plain to me that this is all about mans struggle with death anxiety.
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“What is the ideal for mental health, then? A lived, compelling illusion that does not lie about life, death, and reality; one honest enough to follow its own commandments: I mean, not to kill, not to take the lives of others to justify itself.”
― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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Re: Zombie Dasein: Help me discover the full meaning of this short trippy video. [Re: Icelander]
#13601025 - 12/08/10 10:16 AM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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Quote:
Icelander said:
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curious mouse said:
I started typing a transcript of what the narrator says...but I think I'm way off on some of it.
What does this all mean?
"Ooh the beauty of the exquisite original nature. Yet are minds are caked with thick ash and awful soot.Lusting for comfort we absorbed every distraction. And the fail safe teeth, proxy deeper. Viruses are constantly pronouncing back doors. Seeking truth is very dangerous and dusty. Consciousness is never simple. The human mind is still the greatest commodity. Suddenly our mass attention was shifted. Returning to our________."
I really am curious about those blanks.
It's quite plain to me that this is all about mans struggle with death anxiety.
your answer is too simple.
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Re: Zombie Dasein: Help me discover the full meaning of this short trippy video. [Re: curious mouse]
#13601356 - 12/08/10 11:15 AM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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have you not been around here long enough?
ice likes to reduce everything to death anxiety
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Re: Zombie Dasein: Help me discover the full meaning of this short trippy video. [Re: andrewss]
#13601364 - 12/08/10 11:16 AM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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I was totally gonna throw down some sarcastic quip about how I never would have guessed Ice to give that response, but now it's all ruined. 
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Re: Zombie Dasein: Help me discover the full meaning of this short trippy video. [Re: curious mouse]
#13601502 - 12/08/10 11:43 AM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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Quote:
curious mouse said:
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Icelander said:
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curious mouse said:
I started typing a transcript of what the narrator says...but I think I'm way off on some of it.
What does this all mean?
"Ooh the beauty of the exquisite original nature. Yet are minds are caked with thick ash and awful soot.Lusting for comfort we absorbed every distraction. And the fail safe teeth, proxy deeper. Viruses are constantly pronouncing back doors. Seeking truth is very dangerous and dusty. Consciousness is never simple. The human mind is still the greatest commodity. Suddenly our mass attention was shifted. Returning to our________."
I really am curious about those blanks.
It's quite plain to me that this is all about mans struggle with death anxiety.
your answer is too simple.
 The simple answer is often the most elegant and correct. But if you need to obfuscate then carry on.
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“What is the ideal for mental health, then? A lived, compelling illusion that does not lie about life, death, and reality; one honest enough to follow its own commandments: I mean, not to kill, not to take the lives of others to justify itself.”
― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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Re: Zombie Dasein: Help me discover the full meaning of this short trippy video. [Re: Icelander]
#13601673 - 12/08/10 12:20 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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Icelander said:
The simple answer is often the most elegant and correct. But if you need to obfuscate then carry on.
it's really not that elegant though. otherwise it would be much more profound.
there is nothing pragmatic about it either. yes, most of us are anxious about death....
and???
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Re: Zombie Dasein: Help me discover the full meaning of this short trippy video. [Re: curious mouse]
#13601965 - 12/08/10 01:16 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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and... that one thing informs most everything you will ever do no matter if you are aware of it or not. You are ruled and controlled by your death anxiety. Nothing is more profound.
Death anxiety encapsulates Becker's overall theory of how the awareness of death affects the psychology and culture of the living. For Becker, the unbearable terror of death that self-aware mortal beings would normally experience in understanding death is "managed by the construction and maintenance of cultural worldviews: humanly constructed beliefs about the nature of reality that infuse individuals with a sense that they are persons of value in a world of meaning, different than and superior to corporeal and mortal nature, and thus capable of transcending the natural boundaries of time and space, and in so doing, elude death" (Pyszczynski et al. In the Wake of 9/11: The Psychology of Terror 2003 p27).
But, Becker says, it is not enough to simply maintain a world-view - an individual must succeed within it also. The most obvious result of success is the feeling of self-esteem. Esteem is assigned to individuals as a result of success within the culture by attaining expected goals, structuring living around cultural values, upholding the prescribed world-view, and so forth. Each group member has a social memory and access to recording media (orally transmitted stories, writings and pictures, rites of passage, etc.) thus documenting and interpreting individual lives in a lasting way, allowing a group to praise or criticize the lives of individual members. Esteem provides an individual with a sense of success and value within a system of consensual meaning, which is essential to individual health and psychological well-being.
These group meanings are not experienced as ways of suppressing death anxiety, but have a mundane, real-life meaning for people who accept and live them. Because cultural meaning is very important for anxiety-reduction, investment in particular world-views can be great. As a result, group values are often asserted to the detriment of outsiders whose incommensurable world-views offer the threat of contradiction and critique. If a person's method of controlling and understanding existence is shown to be flawed, then a pointless life and meaningless death threatens the individual with anguish, powerlessness and finitude.
This is why cultural meanings and beliefs are defended by the members who sustain them. As Becker put it: "No wonder men go into a rage over fine points of belief: if your adversary wins the argument about truth, you die. Your immortality system has been shown to be fallible, your life becomes fallible." (Becker, "Escape From Evil" 1975, p64). The personal investment that individuals may make in their group's cultural values can be so intense that they are willing to sacrifice their lives to preserve the world-view that sustains their meaning in life. Deaths with self-sacrificial meanings can be quite ironic. The meaning which assuaged death-anxiety leads to an embrace of death, usually with the understanding that such a death in not final but leads to an afterlife and posthumous recognition; religious martyrs and military suicide missions serve as good examples.
If Becker has taught us anything by writing so extensively on transference, the ubiquity of defense mechanisms, "vital lies" and character armor, the normalcy of neurosis, and our innumerable illusions, it is that our conscious sense of what we see and feel is unreliable. Becker has demolished the reliability of subjectivity.
This should be a lesson to those who keep insisting that their observations and experience have proven their perceptions or convictions, that they are proof of anything other than their own fantasies. Becker's challenge is to discern what "reality" we could ever know once we realize how much that "reality" is ineluctably illusory, projection, transference, etc.
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“What is the ideal for mental health, then? A lived, compelling illusion that does not lie about life, death, and reality; one honest enough to follow its own commandments: I mean, not to kill, not to take the lives of others to justify itself.”
― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
Edited by Icelander (12/08/10 01:29 PM)
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Re: Zombie Dasein: Help me discover the full meaning of this short trippy video. [Re: Icelander]
#13602003 - 12/08/10 01:26 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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so what is the so-called death impulse to you?
and if death anxiety is so reducible then what is so alluring about it to you? it is an aspect of being an animal...
when you try to point it out in so many cases it's prognosis becomes blasé in a sense
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Re: Zombie Dasein: Help me discover the full meaning of this short trippy video. [Re: andrewss]
#13602044 - 12/08/10 01:34 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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I'm interested in "myself".
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― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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Re: Zombie Dasein: Help me discover the full meaning of this short trippy video. [Re: Icelander]
#13602059 - 12/08/10 01:37 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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"fair enough"
projection is a fun and priestly occupation... I can dig it 
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Re: Zombie Dasein: Help me discover the full meaning of this short trippy video. [Re: Icelander]
#13602247 - 12/08/10 02:16 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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"You are ruled and controlled by your death anxiety."
Is that a claim Becker himself makes?
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Re: Zombie Dasein: Help me discover the full meaning of this short trippy video. [Re: daytripper23]
#13602982 - 12/08/10 04:50 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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Purty much as I understand it.
I'm sure you can find a copy of the book and see for yourself.
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“What is the ideal for mental health, then? A lived, compelling illusion that does not lie about life, death, and reality; one honest enough to follow its own commandments: I mean, not to kill, not to take the lives of others to justify itself.”
― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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Re: Zombie Dasein: Help me discover the full meaning of this short trippy video. [Re: Icelander]
#13603130 - 12/08/10 05:25 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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Thanks for the synopsis, it doesn't sound like my cup of tea though.
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