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 The Chronic
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 Re: Just in case you wanted to Awaken [Re: fazdazzle]
#13427341 - 11/03/10 03:49 AM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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fazdazzle said:
After contemplating the falsity of the "I" I can't help but feel like my mind can't handle it. It doesn't want it, like you say Chronic....got any advice on that one?
Edit: To be honest, I actually start to get a little nervous when I seem to be getting close 
The mind can't handle it, its true your right, but you are not the mind
Mind is just thoughts that feed off the feeling of 'I', so when the 'I' is investigated the thoughts can begin to swirl into a frenzy, a form of self defense, they just want to survive like everything else
This is where you can calmly but intensely inquire into the true nature of 'I', is it really stuck in these thoughts?
Is it really stuck in the feeling of nervousness?
Just stay open & observational, don't assume anything, don't buy anything, even nice feelings, feelings of liberation, keep inquiring 'is this what i am?' 'what is aware of this?' 'who am i?' its all the same question that brings the light of consciousness to shine on itself rather than a passing object, when consciousness shines on an object you see the object, but when consciousness shines on itself...what happens?
Questioning like this the mind thins out into total silence... but even the word silence is too noisy to describe it
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Re: Just in case you wanted to Awaken [Re: quinn]
#13427355 - 11/03/10 04:01 AM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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quinn said:
very sad new fellas...
check to the website.
laser is no longer among us.
if i could just have had that last goodbye
Ha, you fucker. I should have known someone from Shroomery would be watching that. 
I'm not making any claims. But obviously, the RT thread is there for all to see.
It's a good system they've got over there. At least, it is if you're me. I'm sure other people would respond better to other methods, but for me this was a good fit.
The membership will coddle you and play your games just enough to keep you from running away, and then Ciaran stops them, and tells you to either shut the fuck up and figure it out, or shut the fuck up and get out. If you face up to it, you're done, and if you run away, you feel a coward or a weakling, which insults your self-identity, which drives you back.
BTW it isn't really one thing. It's one issue, the issue of self, but it isn't one isolated change in mindset, and it isn't quite a binary switch from identity-with-"I" to not. You'll notice I'm still using the word "I." It's good shorthand, it just isn't you is all.
Internally, the process felt like unfolding and correcting something that was twisted inside-out, but there's a one billion percent chance that that was just my own peculiar way of experiencing it.
Edited by laserpig (11/03/10 04:48 AM)
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Re: Just in case you wanted to Awaken [Re: laserpig]
#13427462 - 11/03/10 05:29 AM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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So, since you now accept that your personality is an illusion you've popped? And this is enlightenment?
Am I following this right?
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Re: Just in case you wanted to Awaken [Re: laserpig]
#13427588 - 11/03/10 06:31 AM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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Hey congrats laserpig, I got it too 
Ciarian's prelude to his awakening primed me. I read some Alan Watts, took a shower and with the help of guruu kept repeating "Who am I?" "I am thinking" and eventually it happened and instantly everything fell away and there "I" was, showering.
All I can say is this is definitely not enlightenment. It does feel lighter, for sure. I can't believe this guy hasn't read alan watts...in "The Way of Zen," he talks about this same concept over and over and over. It's incorrect for Ciarian to say it's not Zen, because it is completely Zen.
I now feel like this, "The Way of Zen," p. 144
"As a Zen master said, "Nothing is left to you at this moment but to have a good laugh.""
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Re: Just in case you wanted to Awaken [Re: fazdazzle]
#13427634 - 11/03/10 06:52 AM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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Stay with Alan Watts he's more reliable than some dude who claims he is enlightened calling other people unenlightened, i'd bet nowhere in any of his books would you hear Alan Watts claim 'i am enlightened' or claim he is an authority on what is Zen or is not Zen.
Ciaran thinks he's an authority on what enlightenment should or shouldn't sound like when there's 6 billion people on this plant so 6 billion different ways it can be expressed.
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Re: Just in case you wanted to Awaken [Re: The Chronic]
#13427650 - 11/03/10 06:58 AM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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Better yet figure it out for yourself fellas. 
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Re: Just in case you wanted to Awaken [Re: laserpig]
#13427663 - 11/03/10 07:04 AM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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@Chronic
How to lose what needs to be lost.
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The Chronic
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Re: Just in case you wanted to Awaken [Re: Cups]
#13427796 - 11/03/10 08:00 AM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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I don't think you really need to lose anything, the only thing that falls away when it comes to enlightenment is ideas you had about yourself to leave your true Self as it has always been.
So how to lose ideas about yourself?
The most direct way is to investigate the sense of self & see all that ideas about it are not true, its just here with no agenda, maybe i'm just saying this in a nicer way, whereas Ciarans way is a bit more aggressive so kinda forces you to look at yourself, i just don't feel any need to be forceful with anyone, if your ready to see, you will see
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Re: Just in case you wanted to Awaken [Re: The Chronic]
#13427872 - 11/03/10 08:24 AM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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So true, I've been trying to lead the horses to water for over five years here and most are still dying of thirst.
But like you said they will see if they ever become ready to see. In the mean time I'm walkin the dogs. See?
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"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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Re: Just in case you wanted to Awaken [Re: Icelander]
#13427883 - 11/03/10 08:26 AM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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We are not worthy 
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The intuitive mind is a sacred gift, and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant, and has forgotten the gift. - Albert Einstein
  
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Re: Just in case you wanted to Awaken [Re: c0sm0nautt]
#13427902 - 11/03/10 08:30 AM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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Oh I agree.
Still, I'm filled with compassion for your sufferings and so the work continues. 
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“What is the ideal for mental health, then? A lived, compelling illusion that does not lie about life, death, and reality; one honest enough to follow its own commandments: I mean, not to kill, not to take the lives of others to justify itself.”
― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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Re: Just in case you wanted to Awaken [Re: The Chronic]
#13428040 - 11/03/10 09:06 AM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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The Chronic said:
I don't think you really need to lose anything, the only thing that falls away when it comes to enlightenment is ideas you had about yourself to leave your true Self as it has always been.
So you don't need to lose anything, you need to lose everything.
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Re: Just in case you wanted to Awaken [Re: c0sm0nautt]
#13428084 - 11/03/10 09:18 AM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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fazdazzle said:
Ciarian's prelude to his awakening primed me. I read some Alan Watts, took a shower and with the help of guruu kept repeating "Who am I?" "I am thinking" and eventually it happened and instantly everything fell away and there "I" was, showering.
all the best thinking is done in the shower or on the john 
btw i did sign up to the sight. i am Kaufff... i am currently arguing with em about nihilism. will i 'pop'? i sorta hope so. but i also sorta feel that maybe i did a few years ago or something 
o n sorry about 'outing' you laser
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Re: Just in case you wanted to Awaken [Re: fazdazzle]
#13428234 - 11/03/10 09:53 AM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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fazdazzle said:
It's incorrect for Ciarian to say it's not Zen, because it is completely Zen.
I agree completely, and I do so because of exactly that work of Alan Watts.
The hit-you-with-a-stick, you-could-realize-the-tuth-sooner-by-staring-at-a-bookcase-than-reading-the-texts, no-bullshit approach is Zen and a half.
What Ciaran seems to mean when he says it's not Zen is, there's no riddles, no koans. There's no "how do you get a goose out of a bottle without breaking it" crap.
"Direct pointing at the mind of man."
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quinn said:
o n sorry about 'outing' you laser
Ain't even a thang. Actually, I'm glad that you did.
Saved me the enormous awkardness of figuring how to say "uh ... so guys ... I'm, like, uh, enlightened now. Please believe me."
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Re: Just in case you wanted to Awaken [Re: quinn]
#13428286 - 11/03/10 10:10 AM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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http://www.ruthlesstruth.com/arena/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=504
I tried. I gave it my best shot, with a completely open mind. Basically, if you dont agree 100% with 'the way', you will get shot down by them and they will try to reconfigure your head. I don't see enlightenment in this procedure... the method they are using can really do some damage to someone if it gets into the wrong head...
Anyways, im off to play some music, the place where I find my own enlightenment 
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Re: Just in case you wanted to Awaken [Re: foliocb]
#13428313 - 11/03/10 10:19 AM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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Thats the only gripe i have with it really, telling people they 'don't exist' or 'you have no self' is not a healthy way to truth IMO
Questioning self identity yes, but repeating to yourself 'i don't exist' 'there is no self', i couldn't think of a less healthy mantra
Self existence is a fact for every conscious being, why deny it?
What remains unquestioned is - we ultimately exist as what?
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Re: Just in case you wanted to Awaken [Re: The Chronic]
#13428375 - 11/03/10 10:33 AM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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i couldn't think of a less healthy mantra
I could.
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“What is the ideal for mental health, then? A lived, compelling illusion that does not lie about life, death, and reality; one honest enough to follow its own commandments: I mean, not to kill, not to take the lives of others to justify itself.”
― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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Re: Just in case you wanted to Awaken [Re: The Chronic]
#13428379 - 11/03/10 10:35 AM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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It's not a mantra. Or rather, it's not supposed to be. It's a challenge staring you in the face.
Some may interpret it as a mantra, but they've forgotten the critical three words: "Is it true?"
Not a reassuring prayer, but an unsettling question.
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The Chronic said:
Self existence is a fact for every conscious being, why deny it?
The existence of conscious beings is a fact.
Self existence is not.
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Re: Just in case you wanted to Awaken [Re: laserpig]
#13428401 - 11/03/10 10:39 AM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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I thought this was total joke at first but it is beginning to make sense. I have tricked myself before though.
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"So man's insanity is heaven's sense; and wandering from all mortal reason, man comes at last to that celestial thought, which, to reason, is absurd and frantic; and weal or woe, feels then uncompromised, indifferent as his God." - Herman Melville
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Re: Just in case you wanted to Awaken [Re: laserpig]
#13428439 - 11/03/10 10:44 AM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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Its just my experience that there is a Self, it may be nothing, but its all that ever existed
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