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Mr. Mushrooms
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Making a Liberty cap spore print?
#13383750 - 10/25/10 03:14 AM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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Who has done it successfully and what was your method? I've never seen a fresh mushroom but I am curious.
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Re: Making a Liberty cap spore print? [Re: Mr. Mushrooms]
#13383756 - 10/25/10 03:16 AM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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libs print just like any shroom?
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Re: Making a Liberty cap spore print? [Re: m-d-m-a]
#13383817 - 10/25/10 03:45 AM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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Well, they do produce a rather light print most of the time, but yeah, I print them like any other mushroom.
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Re: Making a Liberty cap spore print? [Re: German Kahuna]
#13383830 - 10/25/10 03:53 AM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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The first thing I would do different would be cold printing. Do the same as regular but do it in a cold environment. I got the idea about ten years ago when trying to print some seemingly hard to print cold loving species. I just tried to imitate natural conditions. Sometimes when you take a mushroom that fruits and spores at 45o and bring it inside it just dies from the shock.
And catching the Bell curve of any species can be tricky too. For example, IME Psilocybe squamosa sporulates the best right after the veil breaks. Not long after that it barely gives a spore.
Last year I had an unidentified, intensely bluing species that NEVER printed at any stage. And I tried everything. I still don't know what the problem was.
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Re: Making a Liberty cap spore print? [Re: Mr. Mushrooms]
#13384165 - 10/25/10 07:39 AM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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Interesting. I suppose the temperature-spore deposit relationship hypothesis could be right, but so many people print them indoors perfectly that I don't know how much weight it really holds...
Also Psilocybe squamosa? Isn't this Leratiomyces squamosus now? Just curious because I've seen you mention it quite a few times recently.
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Re: Making a Liberty cap spore print? [Re: The Thinker]
#13384275 - 10/25/10 08:30 AM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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i´ve just made some the last weeks and i do it like every other sporeprint, but had one try wich diddnt work, because it was to dry or something like that when i collected it
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Re: Making a Liberty cap spore print? [Re: The Thinker]
#13384680 - 10/25/10 10:42 AM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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The Thinker said: Interesting. I suppose the temperature-spore deposit relationship hypothesis could be right, but so many people print them indoors perfectly that I don't know how much weight it really holds...
That's interesting. How many Lib prints have you made? So many people? My experience on the board, 8 years total, tells a different story. With some species cold printing is the only way to obtain a print.
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The Thinker said: Also Psilocybe squamosa? Isn't this Leratiomyces squamosus now? Just curious because I've seen you mention it quite a few times recently.
Perhaps you'd like to instruct us on the philosophical underpinnings of taxonomic nomenclature. I'm not talking about the simple stuff like who named what first. I'm talking about species conception and what, precisely, makes a species a species within the fifth kingdom. I would have thought a thinker would know that there is no authority on earth that can speak ex cathedra on the matter.
I'll wait.
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Re: Making a Liberty cap spore print? [Re: fux234]
#13384719 - 10/25/10 10:55 AM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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fux234 said: i´ve just made some the last weeks and i do it like every other sporeprint, but hat one try wich diddnt work, because it was to dry or something like that when i collected it
Trying to print them if the caps have already turned golden is futile. Print the ones that are still wet and olive colored and put a glass over the cap upside down to maintain environmental humidity. While cubes often give you rich prints after 4-6 hours, you want to print libs at least 12, better yet 24 hours to get a really good print. It's what I do with good success.
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Re: Making a Liberty cap spore print? [Re: German Kahuna]
#13384912 - 10/25/10 11:44 AM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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German Kahuna said: Trying to print them if the caps have already turned golden is futile. Print the ones that are still wet and olive colored and put a glass over the cap upside down to maintain environmental humidity. While cubes often give you rich prints after 4-6 hours, you want to print libs at least 12, better yet 24 hours to get a really good print. It's what I do with good success.
yes i realized that too after a few prints^^picked some in rain wich had nice juicy prints for a lib. and i put my cubes and libs-caps always for 24 hours,sure is sure and thanks again
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Re: Making a Liberty cap spore print? [Re: German Kahuna]
#13385357 - 10/25/10 01:18 PM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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German Kahuna said:
Trying to print them if the caps have already turned golden is futile. Print the ones that are still wet and olive colored and put a glass over the cap upside down to maintain environmental humidity. While cubes often give you rich prints after 4-6 hours, you want to print libs at least 12, better yet 24 hours to get a really good print. It's what I do with good success.
That's the type of useful information I am looking for. Thanks!
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Re: Making a Liberty cap spore print? [Re: Mr. Mushrooms]
#13385498 - 10/25/10 01:50 PM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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I am really not sure, this may be a wild shot in the dark, but I suppose that some of the cold climate species simply give off their spores at a slower rate, since the cold climate will give the fruit a longer "life span" than the ones that grow in a hot humid climate before the rot sets in and thus decreasing the evolutionary need for them to release as many of their spores as possible in a very short time period. During the cold days libs can literally sit in the field for 1-2 weeks without any noticable decay. Just my pseudoscientific $0.02.
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Re: Making a Liberty cap spore print? [Re: German Kahuna]
#13385526 - 10/25/10 01:56 PM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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but what you say and think about would agree to what the experience shown mostly and i just can agree to you opinion because of the sporeprints i made (cubensis and semilanceata) really had shown me the difference and exactly that whatyoud said
Edited by fux234 (10/25/10 01:58 PM)
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Re: Making a Liberty cap spore print? [Re: fux234]
#13385904 - 10/25/10 03:25 PM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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Just waiting for the next wave before I can get my hands on some printable libs... should be about 4-5 days from now. Thanks for the advice GK.
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Re: Making a Liberty cap spore print? [Re: German Kahuna]
#13389932 - 10/26/10 10:59 AM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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German Kahuna said: I am really not sure, this may be a wild shot in the dark, but I suppose that some of the cold climate species simply give off their spores at a slower rate, since the cold climate will give the fruit a longer "life span" than the ones that grow in a hot humid climate before the rot sets in and thus decreasing the evolutionary need for them to release as many of their spores as possible in a very short time period. During the cold days libs can literally sit in the field for 1-2 weeks without any noticable decay. Just my pseudoscientific $0.02.
Interesting hypothesis, Dr. That seems mostly correct from my experience. The only exception I've found is certain species of cold fruiting Gymnopilus. Gyms will produce tons of spores for extended periods of time. I've printed them for 8 days running off a single specimen. No other wood lovers I've known can do that, probably due to the mass of the Gyms. My hypothesis is that the number of basidia play a role though I have never found any literature that addresses that parameter.
Aside from temperature considerations, I think catching a particular mushroom's Bell Curve is the most important. (I've had to wait the longest for Ovoids) The shortest so far has been Fibs which, apparently, start sporulating before the cortinate veil has completely torn away.
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Re: Making a Liberty cap spore print? [Re: Mr. Mushrooms]
#13389968 - 10/26/10 11:09 AM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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Well, I don't really think that there is too much weight to my hypothesis, but if one doesn't think about why things are the way they are a hypothesis will never become a theory that withstands empiric testing. I see the flaw in the theory given your experience with cold fruiting gyms, though.
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Re: Making a Liberty cap spore print? [Re: German Kahuna]
#13389992 - 10/26/10 11:13 AM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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German Kahuna said: Well, I don't really think that there is too much weight to my hypothesis, but if one doesn't think about why things are the way they are a hypothesis will never become a theory that withstands empiric testing. I see the flaw in the theory given your experience with cold fruiting gyms, though. 
Well, spill it. Don't leave me hanging in the dark.
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Re: Making a Liberty cap spore print? [Re: German Kahuna]
#13389998 - 10/26/10 11:14 AM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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I was talking about the flaw in my theory.
Still saying, reduced enzyme activity and cell division in organisms that are permanently subjected to cold climates are a fact, so I would guess that it has some effects that make a difference in cold climate species and tropical species as well.
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Re: Making a Liberty cap spore print? [Re: German Kahuna]
#13390023 - 10/26/10 11:22 AM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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German Kahuna said: I was talking about the flaw in my theory.
Still saying, reduced enzyme activity and cell division in organisms that are permanently subjected to cold climates are a fact, so I would guess that it has some effects that make a difference in cold climate species and tropical species as well.
this would be just a good logical explaination for the similarity our experiences has shown 
Edited by fux234 (10/26/10 11:25 AM)
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Re: Making a Liberty cap spore print? [Re: German Kahuna]
#13390036 - 10/26/10 11:24 AM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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Yes, and another difference with the singular exception I mentioned is that the Gym species I am talking about fruiting with regularity in warmer temperatures. Too many facts, not enough students.
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Re: Making a Liberty cap spore print? [Re: Mr. Mushrooms]
#13390059 - 10/26/10 11:27 AM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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yes so we got much to observe and and getting information together like here, so we maybe can make something like "rules" sry for my bad english xP
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