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 Hunting is fucked up... 7
#13381884 - 10/24/10 06:11 PM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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When people go out with a gun and shoot an animal for the "Sport" of it, specifically deer
(or even any animal for that matter...)
What are people seeing these creatures as that even share the same scale as them...A deer, or an elephant or a cow, or a lion, Biology that is damn quite similar to you in the scope of ultimate biological evolution...
What conception is born in the minds of men when they see another animal?
Do you really feel that isolated in your biological place in this world?
I guarantee you a deer is not that much different from you...
SO what...You have a bigger brain?
It is essential to certain traits we have as humans...But when you kill other animals, ESPECIALLY OTHER MAMMALS, its really not much different than killing another member of your own species...does that make sense?
There is nothing "Manly" about it...Your men are fools...
People say they are "OVER POPULATING"
YOU ARE OVER POPULATING
Why are people so blind?
What should this tell us about how peoples minds work in this modern day?
.../end rant   Deer and other vegetarian animals are so majestic and noble anyways...
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As long as someone eats whatever you kill it's fine. Chill.
By the way I am not a man.
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It is essential to certain traits we have as humans...But when you kill other animals, ESPECIALLY OTHER MAMMALS, its really not much different than killing another member of your own species...does that make sense?
No it doesn't make sense.
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As long as someone eats whatever you kill it's fine. Chill.
By the way I am not a man.
People ALWAYS say that...
WHY is it fine?
Your not looking at it correctly...
Your not like a tiger that must eat another animal and can only eat other animals to survive...
DO your really think your own pleasure is more important than the life extent of another Mammal?
And it has nothing to do with survival...My ass your not a goddamn mountain man that has no other choice...
Edited by TeamAmerica (10/24/10 06:20 PM)
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What about for controlling populations? If you had hundreds of Canadian Geese shitting all over your stuff and hissing at you, you'd be ready to kill them, believe me.
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when you kill other animals, ESPECIALLY OTHER MAMMALS, its really not much different than killing another member of your own species
Um, it's pretty different. 
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Re: Hunting is fucked up... [Re: deCypher]
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when you kill other animals, ESPECIALLY OTHER MAMMALS, its really not much different than killing another member of your own species
Um, it's pretty different.
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killing is no good
very majestic creatures indeed
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You're preaching to the a combination of the converted, and those who will never change their minds. It's really quite pointless.
Though I agree with you, I certainly don't have the energy to argue with people whose minds are already made up.
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Your not looking at it correctly...
Oh I'm sorry I'm looking at it wrong.
In fact, animals will overpopulate in many cases if they are not hunted at all. If they overpopulate too much, they run out of food. Humans have gotten rid of a lot of their natural predators so they need some kind of control.
I take the practical view - humans have been killing animals for as long as we've been around. Hunters are only allowed to hunt during specific seasons and have a limit on how many animals they can kill. As long as we aren't exterminating the species we're doing alright.
It seems to me like you're begin kinda judgmental  it is interesting that you think that all mammals are equivalent, but of course you understand a lot of people don't feel that way.
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In reference to deer hunting, in many places that white-tail inhabit humans have displaced the apex predators that once kept their populations in check. We as humans are therefore obligated to be proper stewards of the mess we created and so obligated to take the place of the apex predators that we drove out/into extinction. Overpopulation of herbivorous herding animals can be a real issue once you've taken wolves and mountain lions out of the picture.
Irresponsible hunters should be tarred and feathered, but people who hunt for food and stay within conservation limits are actually stabilizing an ecosystem.
Alabama and other states even have available a service that will take your excess game meat and give it to people who are on food stamps, this being during the hunting season (winter) when many people are going hungry.
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Explain your thoughts...
Intuitively I feel that killing another human is orders of magnitude worse than killing an animal, just as killing an animal is worse than killing a plant. There seems to be a hierarchy of "wrongness" if you will.
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What about for controlling populations? If you had hundreds of Canadian Geese shitting all over your stuff and hissing at you, you'd be ready to kill them, believe me.
You are shitting a lot more than any geese...Over population you say?
How ironic...
Shitting all over your stuff? Your possessions are not quite as important as biological life as a whole...
Imagine what other animals see humans as...We are heaping our insane "creations" all over the fucking place...They don't give a fuck their shit flys all over your rusting cars and houses...
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Re: Hunting is fucked up... [Re: deff]
#13382002 - 10/24/10 06:35 PM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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killing is no good
very majestic creatures indeed
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Re: Hunting is fucked up... [Re: BothHands]
#13382006 - 10/24/10 06:36 PM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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You're preaching to the a combination of the converted, and those who will never change their minds. It's really quite pointless.
Though I agree with you, I certainly don't have the energy to argue with people whose minds are already made up.
Sometimes its fun to stand against the waves...
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Re: Hunting is fucked up... [Re: Mchaggis]
#13382009 - 10/24/10 06:37 PM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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In reference to deer hunting, in many places that white-tail inhabit humans have displaced the apex predators that once kept their populations in check. We as humans are therefore obligated to be proper stewards of the mess we created and so obligated to take the place of the apex predators that we drove out/into extinction. Overpopulation of herbivorous herding animals can be a real issue once you've taken wolves and mountain lions out of the picture.
Irresponsible hunters should be tarred and feathered, but people who hunt for food and stay within conservation limits are actually stabilizing an ecosystem.
Alabama and other states even have available a service that will take your excess game meat and give it to people who are on food stamps, this being during the hunting season (winter) when many people are going hungry.
I vote we hunt humans instead. A reduction in their population will allow for the apex preditors to trive again. Just a thought. Fix that problem, and hundreds of others at the same time. Win.
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What about for controlling populations? If you had hundreds of Canadian Geese shitting all over your stuff and hissing at you, you'd be ready to kill them, believe me.
You are shitting a lot more than any geese...Over population you say?
How ironic...
Shitting all over your stuff? Your possessions are not quite as important as biological life as a whole...
Imagine what other animals see humans as...We are heaping our insane "creations" all over the fucking place...They don't give a fuck their shit flys all over your rusting cars and houses...
Biological life itself is not important. But since you have such interest in it, do life a favor and end yours.
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You're preaching to the a combination of the converted, and those who will never change their minds. It's really quite pointless.
Though I agree with you, I certainly don't have the energy to argue with people whose minds are already made up.
Sometimes its fun to stand against the waves...
Yeah, but generally these threads are actually counter productive. Some troll invariably comes in an pisses off the vegheads, who then retaliate, become beligerant, and shed a bad light on the rest of us.
A bit cynical today, I guess.
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Biological life itself is not important. But since you have such interest in it, do life a favor and end yours.
Here we go. Right on time.
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TeamAmerica is right everyone should stop hunting and let all the animals run out of food and starve to death in a few years, that's a much better way to go.
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Re: Hunting is fucked up... [Re: BothHands]
#13382091 - 10/24/10 06:53 PM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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You're preaching to the a combination of the converted, and those who will never change their minds.
Geez, what a defeatist attitude.
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Re: Hunting is fucked up... [Re: deCypher]
#13382107 - 10/24/10 06:56 PM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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Explain your thoughts...
Intuitively I feel that killing another human is orders of magnitude worse than killing an animal, just as killing an animal is worse than killing a plant. There seems to be a hierarchy of "wrongness" if you will.
Intuitively?
Intuitively you should feel connection to the other mammals on your own scale of existence... That includes Humans, but also all of these other animals that share the earth with you...I mean seriously...If they could formulate some dirt around and make it into a house how much more important would they seem to you?
I never said I think a deers life is MORE IMPORTANT than a humans...That's an incorrect comprehension...
How smart does the average human think he is...
LOL...Your important because why?
Your drive around in cars?
Just big hunks of metal that explode gas to turn wheels around on their axles?
Our technological ability can be ultimately amazing...and makes us unique on earth...But other animals are really quite identical to you... just without the possessions...
Speaking of Hierarchies...
In the entire scale of biological existence...Other mammals are QUITE DAMN SIMILAR to you...
Why does that not make sense?
Do you understand what a mammal is?
Why do humans view other life so incorrectly?
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Intuitively you should feel connection to the other mammals on your own scale of existence... That includes Humans, but also all of these other animals that share the earth with you...I mean seriously...If they could formulate some dirt around and make it into a house how much more important would they seem to you?
The higher the level of self-awareness, the more important the animal seems to me.
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I never said I think a deers life is MORE IMPORTANT that than a humans
So you're arguing that a deer's life is just as important as a human's?
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Biological life itself is not important. But since you have such interest in it, do life a favor and end yours.
Its "normal"(expected is a better word) to think you are more important than other life forms, or that you have some kind of higher worth than other humans... Which Im sure if we were put on a scale you would be burned and I would be saved...But that again is just a game...
Everything is not a game, you simply create games in your mind.
If biological life wasn't "Important" (whatever that even means to you)
We would not be talking right now.
Its always quite interesting how mad humans get when you talk about the consciousness of another life form....
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Re: Hunting is fucked up... [Re: deCypher]
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Why do humans view other life so incorrectly?
You are not in a position to judge who is correct and who is not. Why do you say especially mammals? Why is killing a mammal any worse than killing an insect?
You make no sense. If the intelligence of the creature has nothing to do with it "importance" then why is killing a deer worse than killing a fish.
I'm glad you put this in the mysticism forum that is definitely where it belongs.
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hunting mushrooms isnt fucked up
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You are not in a position to judge who is correct and who is not.Or am I  Why do you say especially mammals? Why is killing a mammal any worse than killing an insect? The same analogy is believed by humans when they take into scale the value of their own lives...
Except mammals and insects are QUITE different...But maybe you didn't know that...
You make no sense. If the intelligence of the creature has nothing to do with it "importance" then why is killing a deer worse than killing a fish. All vessels should be respected...You are the eye viewing yourself...If you do not like what you see, you do not like yourself...If you kill what you see, you kill yourself.
I'm glad you put this in the mysticism forum that is definitely where it belongs.
It belongs posted on billboards...There are just fewer tools in the S&M if I posted on the pub I couldn't argue with all of the waves after waves of artificial intelligence that want to be called "humans"
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Re: Hunting is fucked up... [Re: Resin.8]
#13382266 - 10/24/10 07:26 PM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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So where do you draw the line, at the class, or do you discriminate all the way down to specific species?
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Re: Hunting is fucked up... [Re: Resin.8]
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hunting mushrooms isnt fucked up
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So where do you draw the line, at the class, or do you discriminate all the way down to specific species?
Discriminate?
Because I actually TRY to respect other lifeforms I am discriminating against other ones?
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So if you had the choice to kill a deer or a human, you would just as well kill the human because you respect both lifeforms equally?
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Re: Hunting is fucked up... [Re: deCypher] 1
#13382400 - 10/24/10 07:48 PM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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God made them taste good for a reason.
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Re: Hunting is fucked up... [Re: foliocb] 1
#13382411 - 10/24/10 07:50 PM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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I'm sure you taste quite similar.
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Why do humans view other life so incorrectly?
You are not in a position to judge who is correct and who is not.Or am I Why do you say especially mammals? Why is killing a mammal any worse than killing an insect? The same analogy is believed by humans when they take into scale the value of their own lives...
Except mammals and insects are QUITE different...But maybe you didn't know that...
You make no sense. If the intelligence of the creature has nothing to do with it "importance" then why is killing a deer worse than killing a fish. All vessels should be respected...You are the eye viewing yourself...If you do not like what you see, you do not like yourself...If you kill what you see, you kill yourself.
I'm glad you put this in the mysticism forum that is definitely where it belongs.
It belongs posted on billboards...There are just fewer tools in the S&M if I posted on the pub I couldn't argue with all of the waves after waves of artificial intelligence that want to be called "humans"
1) I am quite different from a deer.
2) I have no idea what you are trying to say about an eye, it really makes no sense.
3)Lol it belongs on billboards.
I'm done with this thread, that fact that you think you are somehow more enlightened than me and most other people is ridiculous. The things you say make it clear that you are pretty ignorant. BTW you haven't come up with an alternative to deer starving from overpopulation, do you mean that you really think starving is better for them than getting shot?
And one last thing: Quoted from http://grammar.quickanddirtytips.com/ellipsis.aspx
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You should not replace all normal punctuation with ellipses. You should not allow the sweet lure of ellipses to muddle your ability to write a complete sentence. To quote the book Grammar for Dummies, “Using ellipses in this way can get annoying really fast.”
The author of one of my favorite books, Punctuate it Right, feels this way about writers who use ellipses to imply that they have more to say: “It is doubtful that they have anything in mind, and the device seems a rather cheap one.”
So, use ellipses to show hesitation or a trailing off of thoughts if you must, but use them sparingly, and know that although it's grammatically correct, it's considered by some to be annoying and cheap.
Just so you can sound like you know what you're talking about in the future  .
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It is an artificial belief that mammals have any greater right to life than do reptiles, plants, bacteria & on. To nature, life is simply life & matter is simply matter. Certainly there is the natural hierarchy of trophic levels, which entails that photosynthesizing lifeforms receive 100% of the solar energy that is bound into living tissue, creatures that consume these plants absorb 10% of this energy & on in decreasing orders of magnitudes of 10.
Humans have been rather apt at the creation of hierarchies which are believed to be naturally occurring, but which are completely unfounded in nature, in reality.
Additionally, that same sameness which unites the deer with the human unites the wolf and panther with the human. Our natural instinct & right to hunt is undeniable. It is the unfortunate existence of the human greed (and hierarchical assumption) which has created the despicable conditions of human interaction with other animals. Advanced 'technology' has allowed humans to progress on this greed with increasing ease into the overharvesting of plants and animals for almost as long as we have existed on this planet.
Hunting and fishing technologies and harvests have never been as realistically detrimental to the population of these creatures as have the conditions surrounding agriculture and 'development'.
Factory feedlots & slaughterhouses are incomparably more revolting than the practice of even the worst 'sport hunters' on the land.
Veganism can only persist in a human for a certain number of years before the nervous system begins to experience a patterned degeneration from the deficit of certain animal amino acids. Indeed, milk and eggs are sufficient for this biological need. Animal domestication is arguably more destructive to the planet than is responsible hunting.
I choose to live as a complete human-animal, and my hunting practice is thoroughly rooted in deep spiritual appreciation of nature & also responsible stewardship of the ecosystem as I observe it in my fellow creatures.
& echoing the sentiment from others, certainly at this point, if humans did not hunt deer in the US (especially in the eastern US), their populations would suffer terrible depravity & disease.
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So where do you draw the line, at the class, or do you discriminate all the way down to specific species?
Discriminate?
Because I actually TRY to respect other lifeforms I am discriminating against other ones?
dis·crim·i·nate
1. Recognize a distinction; differentiate.
2. Perceive or constitute the difference in or between
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Re: Hunting is fucked up... [Re: foliocb]
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God made them taste good for a reason.
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So where do you draw the line, at the class, or do you discriminate all the way down to specific species?
Discriminate?
Because I actually TRY to respect other lifeforms I am discriminating against other ones?
dis·crim·i·nate
1. Recognize a distinction; differentiate.
2. Perceive or constitute the difference in or between
Im sorry...But what have I discriminated against?
I post a thread about respect to animal life that is generally shat on and im called a discriminator?
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Where does this stance come from? Are you a vegetarian?
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Re: Hunting is fucked up... [Re: Kickle]
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Where does this stance come from? Are you a vegetarian?
That really doesn't make sense. Vegetarianism comes from the philosophy, not the other way around.
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Re: Hunting is fucked up... [Re: deCypher]
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So if you had the choice to kill a deer or a human, you would just as well kill the human because you respect both lifeforms equally?
I didn't know you were back up in this bitch. I thought you'd fled the interw3bz.
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Re: Hunting is fucked up... [Re: Kickle]
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Where does this stance come from? Are you a vegetarian?
If that was anyone's first thought then that is why you do not understand...
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It is certainly a fact that humans have generally fucked up concerning hunting, but in which interaction with nature haven't we generally obscured balance?
All that remains is to do it properly, if one is able.
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TL;DR
My point of view is superior to yours and you are wrong. why can't you see that?
People not worth discussing this with.
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Re: Hunting is fucked up... [Re: Lion]
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So if you had the choice to kill a deer or a human, you would just as well kill the human because you respect both lifeforms equally?
I didn't know you were back up in this bitch. I thought you'd fled the interw3bz.
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So where do you draw the line, at the class, or do you discriminate all the way down to specific species?
Discriminate?
Because I actually TRY to respect other lifeforms I am discriminating against other ones?
dis·crim·i·nate
1. Recognize a distinction; differentiate.
2. Perceive or constitute the difference in or between
Im sorry...But what have I discriminated against?
I post a thread about respect to animal life that is generally shat on and im called a discriminator?
Uhhhh, I'm not using the word in the way we've been taught, meaning the human racial component. I'm simply asking HOW you discriminate against different forms of life. You do discriminate, don't you? You don't treat a human as an equal to a fly or a blade of grass, although as you've stated before, you don't discriminate between a human and any other mammal, but there must be a difference between certain life. I was asking how you discriminate. Is it based on Kingdom, Phylum, Class, Order, Family, Genus, Species?
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Re: Hunting is fucked up... [Re: BothHands]
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Mchaggis said:
In reference to deer hunting, in many places that white-tail inhabit humans have displaced the apex predators that once kept their populations in check. We as humans are therefore obligated to be proper stewards of the mess we created and so obligated to take the place of the apex predators that we drove out/into extinction. Overpopulation of herbivorous herding animals can be a real issue once you've taken wolves and mountain lions out of the picture.
Irresponsible hunters should be tarred and feathered, but people who hunt for food and stay within conservation limits are actually stabilizing an ecosystem.
Alabama and other states even have available a service that will take your excess game meat and give it to people who are on food stamps, this being during the hunting season (winter) when many people are going hungry.
I vote we hunt humans instead. A reduction in their population will allow for the apex preditors to trive again. Just a thought. Fix that problem, and hundreds of others at the same time. Win.
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Re: Hunting is fucked up... [Re: BothHands]
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BothHands said:
I'm sure you taste quite similar.
We're actually pretty horrid tasting to most animals, mostly resembling the skin texture/quality of pigs... most animals spit us out when they discover how horrible we taste, sharks for example(except for tiger sharks who lack a sense of taste and keep chewing anyways  )
But deer on the other hand... delish. 
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Re: Hunting is fucked up... [Re: foliocb]
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I belive that if hunting is done purely for survival,
Thenn it is justified, man is a preditor after all.
However for sport, I can not justify it and do not
Like the idea of it. And when it comes to the actual kill
I do not belive in the barbaric slaughter of the
Animal but a clean kill.
Ill admit I have hunted, but that was when me and my
Friend were trecking and lost our food over a gorge.
I had to hunt for us to survive, I did not enjoy it.
I do enjoy tracking however and do that often, I track
The animal till I find them or loose them. But I never
harm them
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Re: Hunting is fucked up... [Re: The D Void]
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i do see how hunting for population control is beneficial. some of these animals are really getting out of control because we already killed its natural predator and they are breeding like crazy
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Re: Hunting is fucked up... [Re: BothHands]
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BothHands said:
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Kickle said:
Where does this stance come from? Are you a vegetarian?
That really doesn't make sense. Vegetarianism comes from the philosophy, not the other way around.
I was just asking if he was a vegetarian and where this thought started for him. Two seperate questions, two seperate sentences, and two question marks. Any links between the two are entirely on your end.
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TeamAmerica said:
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Kickle said:
Where does this stance come from? Are you a vegetarian?
If that was anyone's first thought then that is why you do not understand...
You're right, I was inquiring because I don't understand. If I understood then inquiry would be pointless.
Thanks for resolving that...
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Re: Hunting is fucked up... [Re: deCypher]
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So if you had the choice to kill a deer or a human, you would just as well kill the human because you respect both lifeforms equally?
I could do it remotely with no prior knowledge of the person in question. If it was just two buttons; press one or the other, it would make no difference. Only if it felt more personal and I actually had to do it would instinct kick in and I would kill the deer.
Anyway in answer to the OP. I didn't choose this bloodbath called nature but I am here and therefore I'm not gonna be overly sensitive about the situation, death is a part of life, it's no big deal.
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Re: Hunting is fucked up... [Re: Grapefruit]
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Grapefruit said:
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So if you had the choice to kill a deer or a human, you would just as well kill the human because you respect both lifeforms equally?
I could do it remotely with no prior knowledge of the person in question. If it was just two buttons; press one or the other, it would make no difference. Only if it felt more personal and I actually had to do it would instinct kick in and I would kill the deer.
I'd bet a large contributing factor to the reason why we still practice warfare and harm others is because we have no personal connection to the people being hurt. Anyone beyond your immediate circle of friends and family just isn't as meaningful.
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What should this tell us about how peoples minds work in this modern day?
It says that the mind is still an animal mind, specifically a predatory animal mind.
A wolf may kill another wolf, but for different reasons than killing a rabbit. The wolf feels compelled by it's mind to do both of these acts. Sometimes they eat them after they kill them. Sometimes predatory animals kill other animals and don't eat them. They just leave them laying somewhere. That doesn't mean there is no reason, but it does mean their minds are doing what their minds do. It is what it is. It is the same with people in that most people in one way or another are identifyed with their mind. Most everyone tends to exercise predatory instincts in some way, men especially in relation to the killing of other mammals because of the extra testosterone. The mind is programed to do this by nature. It's an animal.
Is there something wrong with mind identification in regards to predatation? It 'got us this far'. If nuts and berries had been enough, we would still be eating only nuts and berries. If hunting take more effort, it's not done. It's a byproduct of physical existance, and while it may not be extremely useful for most at this point in time, evolution is slow, which could be a good thing considering that the future is unknown.
I would suggest that having a problem with hunting is a mirror of having a problem with having an animal mind. It is nothing to be ashamed of.
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YOU ARE OVER POPULATING
If men and women weren't overpopulating, the loss of biodiversity (caused in part by hunting) wouldn't be an issue. Go 'modern world'!
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Re: Hunting is fucked up... [Re: Rahz]
#13384694 - 10/25/10 10:44 AM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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I think hunting for sport is fucked, but i eat meat(not a lot though) and id rather hunt my meat and thank it for feeding me than buy it from a factory farm. I think the native americans gave the animals the respect they deserved. Take what you need and use it all, leave everything else to be.
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Re: Hunting is fucked up... [Re: Parkseerf]
#13384731 - 10/25/10 11:01 AM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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Meh.. There are animals that kill for no real purpose.. Even if ppl hunt for sport something somewhere makes a meal out of it.. Its not like the corpse just disappears..
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Re: Hunting is fucked up... [Re: Parkseerf]
#13384766 - 10/25/10 11:12 AM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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Hunting for sport is a prideful thing to do. I will agree with the OP in that it isn't "manly".
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NOT hunting is more of a detriment to deer populations
there are no natural predators around anymore so their populations will run wild
food shortages ensue, and then you get mutated pygmy looking deer like you see in
certain 'no hunting areas' such as large housing developments, resorts, etc.
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Due deer prefer getting hit by a bullet going 2000 mph or a 2 ton SUV at 65 mph?
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i would opt for the bullet myself
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Fucking vegans
DON'T YOU KNOW WHY WE HUNT???
IF WE DO NOT HUNT, MANBEARPIG WILL EAT ALL THE HERBIVORES.
Thinking that hunting is fucked up without ANY reason to support it is fucked up.
Here's why;
Living in a city with no hope of ever learning to survive on your own is FUCKED UP.
You think you can be a vegan in the wild? Don't be so stupid. HAVE YOU EVER HEARD OF WINTER?!
You think we shouldn't kill animals because we're not better than them?
So what makes you so fucking high and mighty? I don't know maybe the GROCERY STORE? Fucking whole foods keeps you alive.
Maybe thinking you're so much better than animals that you can choose NOT to kill meanwhile they still have to hunt for their dinner is what's fucked up.
Obviously you're just a pussy who if left to fend for themself would cry like a little bitch when you realized you can't eat leaves and grass.
Here's my dinner;
 
Here's your's;
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Re: Hunting is fucked up... [Re: anarchOi]
#13385289 - 10/25/10 01:03 PM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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i'd take the second dinner any day
(looks a lot more appetizing imo)
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Re: Hunting is fucked up... [Re: deff]
#13385298 - 10/25/10 01:06 PM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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No, I'm against eating any plant matter. Only meat. You don't get a choice in my utopia, you're forced to eat the venison stew. I live in the Vegan's bizzaro world.
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Re: Hunting is fucked up... [Re: deff] 1
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deff said:
i'd take the second dinner any day
(looks a lot more appetizing imo)
You can't live from eating grass. Duh.
Maybe that's why you're head's screwed on funny. Not enough protein for brain development X_X
Don't forget the real implications of NOT hunting deer...
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I picture(chart) is worth 1000 words...I'm sorry to disappoint you ...please continue in your maddness!
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Re: Hunting is fucked up... [Re: Raptoralic]
#13385789 - 10/25/10 03:00 PM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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I eat things I shoot with guns - I also respect things I kill with guns and realize what I do
I also spend more money protecting habitat than any of you fuckers
Hunters are better stewards of the environment than hippies
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Re: Hunting is fucked up... [Re: Noetical]
#13385801 - 10/25/10 03:02 PM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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Hunters are better stewards of the environment than hippies
fucking WORD.
hunting organizations give thousands of times the money to conservation than any hippy animal rights group.
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Re: Hunting is fucked up... [Re: Noetical]
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Noetical said:
I eat things I shoot with guns - I also respect things I kill with guns and realize what I do
I also spend more money protecting habitat than any of you fuckers
Hunters are better stewards of the environment than hippies
If it wasnt for hunters there would be no game left..
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Re: Hunting is fucked up... [Re: amenra]
#13385812 - 10/25/10 03:04 PM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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i dont think most hippys understand the way hunting is regulated or the function of that highly monitored regulation
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Re: Hunting is fucked up... [Re: anarchOi]
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anarchOi said:
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deff said:
i'd take the second dinner any day
(looks a lot more appetizing imo)
You can't live from eating grass. Duh.
Maybe that's why you're head's screwed on funny. Not enough protein for brain development X_X
i get my share of proteins from the hemp
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Re: Hunting is fucked up... [Re: anarchOi]
#13386251 - 10/25/10 04:47 PM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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anarchOi said:
Fucking vegans
DON'T YOU KNOW WHY WE HUNT???
IF WE DO NOT HUNT, MANBEARPIG WILL EAT ALL THE HERBIVORES.
Thinking that hunting is fucked up without ANY reason to support it is fucked up.
Here's why;
Living in a city with no hope of ever learning to survive on your own is FUCKED UP.
You think you can be a vegan in the wild? Don't be so stupid. HAVE YOU EVER HEARD OF WINTER?!
You think we shouldn't kill animals because we're not better than them?
So what makes you so fucking high and mighty? I don't know maybe the GROCERY STORE? Fucking whole foods keeps you alive.
Maybe thinking you're so much better than animals that you can choose NOT to kill meanwhile they still have to hunt for their dinner is what's fucked up.
Obviously you're just a pussy who if left to fend for themself would cry like a little bitch when you realized you can't eat leaves and grass.
Here's my dinner;
Here's your's;
People like you actually take self esteem in it,It would be funny if it wasn't so sad...
It would be different if you actually HAD to kill the deer, but you do no even think about it apparently...
YOU are the pussy
Obviously you know nothing about a "vegetarian" diet...
So predictable...please start using your brain, The Goddamn deer you are shooting are worth more than you are
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vegetarian diet is a joke unless you grow your own.. Millions of mice rabbits and other smalls animals are killed by harvesters.. and farm equipment.
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CycleThoughts said:
No, I'm against eating any plant matter. Only meat. You don't get a choice in my utopia, you're forced to eat the venison stew. I live in the Vegan's bizzaro world.
Against eating plant matter?
Mushrooms are a form of plants...In fact plants are quite beneficiary well past the diet part of it.
How can you be against eating plants, just sounds stupid...If you eat meat and some other guy doesn't... your not that fucking kool
Grow the fuck up...
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while i agree that hunting is fucked up, you can't really say anybody is right or wrong in any decision they make.
everybody has their own dharma, their own karma to deal with, their own roles to play.
consider yourself fortunate not to be the heavy breathing heathen foaming at the mouth for his macdonalds and monday night football, hunting....etc haha.
oh....and no creature deserves to live or die anymore than the other...it's survival of the fittest...and in my opinion trees/plants are most efficient when it comes to survival...no hierarchy of death lol
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A mushroom cannot be simply classified as either an animal or a plant. It is obviously not an animal as it does not eat either animals or plants, which is a rather simplistic way to classify animals. It is not, theoretically, a plant because it does not contain chlorophyll and cannot make its own food, which is one of the methods by which a plant is classified as a plant. Mushrooms actually absorb food and nutrients from decaying matter around them.
Fungi, which include mushrooms, molds, and mildews, are not really plants. They have no real roots, leaves, or stems, and contain no chlorophyll with which to make their own food (that's why they aren't green and don't need sunlight). Fungi feed mostly on dead plant and animal matter, which helps keep the environment clean and enriches the soil. Some fungi feed on live plants and animals, though, often harming their hosts. A fungal disease called rust, for instance, can completely ruin the wheat crop it has infected.
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TeamAmerica said:
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CycleThoughts said:
No, I'm against eating any plant matter. Only meat. You don't get a choice in my utopia, you're forced to eat the venison stew. I live in the Vegan's bizzaro world.
Against eating plant matter?
Mushrooms are a form of plants...In fact plants are quite beneficiary well past the diet part of it.
How can you be against eating plants, just sounds stupid...If you eat meat and some other guy doesn't... your not that fucking kool
Grow the fuck up...
It was sarcasm. And I don't think I'm cool because I eat meat, I just enjoy the taste. Vegans on the otherhand seem to enjoy spreading their beliefs about diet to others. I don't give a fuck what you eat and I think we all have a good idea of what a healthy diet is. I don't want some self-righteous vegan dictating what I should be eating. I would never force someone or even try to convince them to eat the way I do, because I don't care and because it's THEIR FUCKING BODY. I think that concept should be well understood in a drug forum.
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TeamAmerica said:
People like you actually take self esteem in it,It would be funny if it wasn't so sad...
It would be different if you actually HAD to kill the deer, but you do no even think about it apparently...
YOU are the pussy
Obviously you know nothing about a "vegetarian" diet...
So predictable...please start using your brain, The Goddamn deer you are shooting are worth more than you are
I don't hunt but i'm certainly not against it either. Have you ever hit a deer with a car? Have you ever had an entire garden's crop eaten by deer?
You're the one on the internet crying;
"OH PLZ SAVE THE DEER, THEY SO CUTE I LOVED BAMBI!"
and i'm the pussy? bahahaha
Why did you completely ignore what I said about you not being able to survive outside of the city?
Can you even identify wild plants? What the fuck is your plan for self-reliant survival during the winter? Are you really just gonna say "I can goto Whole Foods, I don't need to know how to survive on my own."
You think fungi are a form of plants... nuff fucking said dood. 
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Wtf does that prove? bahaha, what that people can eat both meat and plants?
We share traits in common with the lumped group of herbivores, big deal, wtf do you expect?
Are you really so stupid? Carnivores are obviously going to be pretty different from both herbivores and omnivores because of their diet...
All you've done is proven that people are designed by evolution to eat both meat and vegetables.
BTW, it's pretty well known that a chart isn't worth shit unless you can cite it...
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Re: Hunting is fucked up... [Re: anarchOi]
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I'm pretty sure you misread the chart.
I can't vouch for its accuracy, but I didn't post it.
Just commenting on this:
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All you've done is proven that people are designed by evolution to eat both meat and vegetables.
If the chart is accurate, it shows that we are extraordinarily different to both carnivores and omnivores, while being identical to herbivores.
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Re: Hunting is fucked up... [Re: BothHands]
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The chart is some made up vegan propaganda...
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Thomas M. Greiner, Assistant Professor of Anatomy / Physical Anthropology said;
Are humans vegetarians or omnivores?
Those terms are not strict biological designations, and so the question
needs to be rephrased a bit before it can be answered. The confusion stems
from the use of the word "carnivore" to mean "meat eater" - instead the
word carnivorous should be used. To be biologically strict here, a
carnivore is an order of mammal (recognized by the presence of the
carnassial tooth, among other things) that includes cats (felids), dogs
(canids), bears (ursids), and a number of other mammalian families.
Carnivores are not strictly meat eaters - most will eat some type of plants
as a part (sometimes even the main part) of their diet.
The term "vegetarian" is strictly a human construct. Vegetarians shun
animal products for food, usually for religious or ethical reasons. Even
still, there are degrees of vegetarian. Some vegetarians will never
consciously eat any food that comes from an animal. Other will consume
dairy products (an animal food even though it isn't meat). Others will
allow themselves to eat eggs (the pre-chicken, so to speak), or fish.
Vegetarianism is more of a dietary philosophy then an ecological food
preference, so it's hard to speak of it in biological terms.
Biologists rarely (never in my experience) categorize non-carnivorous
animals into one "plant eating" group. That is because different dietary
specializations are required to eat different types of plants. Thus, you
will hear of herbivores (specialized to eat shoots and growing tips),
folivores (specialized to eat leaves) and frugivores (specialized to eat
fruit) among other adaptations. Even within these broad groupings there are
further specializations, such as grazers that eat grass and browsers that
eat shrubs (both are types of herbivore). And even among the "plant eating"
animals there is no animal that I am aware of that will not consume some
type of animal protein when given the opportunity.
An omnivore is an animal that will draw its food from all aspects of the
ecosystem (plants, animals - whatever). As I've already pointed out, you
could claim that nearly every animal is omnivorous since a purely meat
eater or purely plant eater is very rare. Nonetheless, you can look at the
animal's anatomy to look at how they are adapted to process food.
First you can look at the teeth.
Molars are broad flat teeth that are useful in grinding up tough fibrous
material - such as plants. Animals that are primarily plant eaters have
very large molars with six pairs (three uppers and three lowers) on each
side. Animals that do not specialize in eating plants tend to have a
reduced number of molars. Humans are equipped with six pairs of molars.
Although they are not very large, this would suggest that humans have the
ability to process fibrous plant food.
Premolars (bicuspids) are the slicing teeth. Mammals originally had eight
pairs of premolars, although most mammals alive today have fewer. Premolars
are the primary teeth used by meat eating specialists, and are frequently
missing in animals that specialize in plant foods. Humans have four pairs
of premolars, which suggests that humans have the ability to process animal
food.
Incisors are grasping teeth, that change shape depending upon how they are
used. The broad flat surfaces of human incisors is most associated with
animals that specialize in eating fruit.
So, if we just look at our teeth - humans are clearly built to be
omnivorous. But, of course there is more data. We can look at how nutrients
are processes and absorbed in the body.
Meat and fruit are high quality foods that are not difficult to assimilate.
Animals that specialize in these types of food tend to have a short
digestive tract, with a very short large intestine. Plant foods can be
nutritious, but take longer to absorb. Therefore, animals that specialize
in plant eating tend to have long and elaborate digestive tracts. Humans
are clearly intermediate here. We have a long large intestine (more common
in plant eaters), but we lack the elaborations that would allow us to
digest and assimilate nutrients from high fiber plant foods (such as
grass or leaves). So, again, the human digestive tract can be used to argue
that we are omnivorous.
Finally, you need to look at nutritional requirements. There are some
B-complex vitamins that are available only by eating other animals. The
human body requires this nutrient, but does not synthesize it the way some
other animals do. Therefore, if humans truly ate no animal foods, and had
no artificial vitamin supplements, they would sicken and die. In nature,
there are no true "human vegetarians."
Humans are omnivores. The order of mammals that includes humans (the
primates) are all omnivores. To be sure, the modern American diet includes
a lot more meat than is healthy. And the human animal can be very healthy
by being a lot more vegetarian. But to never eat meat is both unnatural and
unhealthy.
Finally, you ask about my credentials to answer this question. Well, I am
employed as an anatomy professor (and am therefore a specialist in human
anatomy). I teach at a college that specializes in training health care
workers (so I am familiar with issues of human health an nutrition).
Finally, I earned by Ph.D. in Physical Anthropology (which sort of makes me
an expert in how humans adapt both biologically and culturally to the
environment).
Some References relevant to this questions:
Harding, RSO & Teleki, G (1981) Omnivorous Primates. Columbia University
Press: New York.
Romer, AS & Parsons, TS (1986) The Vertebrate Body. Saunders College
Publishing: New York
Oxnard, C. (1987) Fossils, Teeth and Sex. University of Washington Press:
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Re: Hunting is fucked up... [Re: anarchOi]
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Oh I don't doubt that. I just took issue with your claim: that the chart proved we were omnivores. Whether or not the chart was accurate is irrelevant to this issue.
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Re: Hunting is fucked up... [Re: Noetical]
#13386793 - 10/25/10 06:31 PM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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"I picture(chart) is worth 1000 words...I'm sorry to disappoint you ...please continue in your maddness! "
I guess it depends on who created the chart and for what purpose. Eskimos can live virtually their entire lives eating nothing but meat without any adverse effects on their health. Can a deer do that?
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Team America:
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"Why are people so blind?
What should this tell us about how peoples minds work in this modern day?"
This post is interesting on so many levels. Probably the least interesting part of it is about the virtues or lack thereof of hunting.
Obviously a question like "Why are people so blind", has it's counterpart in the assertion, "I am obviously not blind since I am asking why others are blind".
The question, "What should this tell us about how peoples minds work in this modern day?" plays into another favorite pasttime of elevating the functioning of our own minds by condemning that of others.
But for a moment let's drop the discussion of who has the bigger moral dick and let's just concentrate on the question that is posed about hunting.
Let me take the position of the devil's advocate here and pretend that I am the ignorant, red neck, unfeeling, out of touch hunter that Team America is waving his finger at.
Let's say that I know that deer are an advanced species. Let's say that I don't need or want their meat. Let's say that I agree that they can become overpopulated because man killed their predators. Let's say that I still want to kill deer. And so I'm asking you - so what? Why shouldn't I? Am I supposed to feel like I shouldn't because the morally superior like Team America will call me names? That logic doesn't convince me. People who call me names have already lost all of their moral authority. Name calling is simply a way of feeding the ego. It has nothing to do with wanting to correct someones error. Should I have compassion because someone tells me I should have compassion. That doesn't convince me either. If I already had compassion for deer I wouldn't be killing them to begin with. And people don't aquire compassion because others tell them that they should.
So tell me, Team America, why shouldn't I kill deer and why did you post this subject?
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Re: Hunting is fucked up... [Re: vsaluki]
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vsaluki said:
Team America:
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"Why are people so blind?
What should this tell us about how peoples minds work in this modern day?"
This post is interesting on so many levels. Probably the least interesting part of it is about the virtues or lack thereof of hunting.
Obviously a question like "Why are people so blind", has it's counterpart in the assertion, "I am obviously not blind since I am asking why others are blind".
The question, "What should this tell us about how peoples minds work in this modern day?" plays into another favorite pasttime of elevating the functioning of our own minds by condemning that of others.
But for a moment let's drop the discussion of who has the bigger moral dick and let's just concentrate on the question that is posed about hunting.
Let me take the position of the devil's advocate here and pretend that I am the ignorant, red neck, unfeeling, out of touch hunter that Team America is waving his finger at.
Let's say that I know that deer are an advanced species. Let's say that I don't need or want their meat. Let's say that I agree that they can become overpopulated because man killed their predators. Let's say that I still want to kill deer. And so I'm asking you - so what? Why shouldn't I? Am I supposed to feel like I shouldn't because the morally superior like Team America will call me names? That logic doesn't convince me. People who call me names have already lost all of their moral authority. Name calling is simply a way of feeding the ego. It has nothing to do with wanting to correct someones error. Should I have compassion because someone tells me I should have compassion. That doesn't convince me either. If I already had compassion for deer I wouldn't be killing them to begin with. And people don't aquire compassion because others tell them that they should.
So tell me, Team America, why shouldn't I kill deer and why did you post this subject?
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Re: Hunting is fucked up... [Re: anarchOi]
#13388424 - 10/26/10 12:16 AM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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It comes down to there being something "WRONG" or "BAD" with death. Death is part of life, and its super spiritual. What i feel is more important is not to kill endangered animals, mainly, cause all the species should be balanced, together in harmony. Sometimes there is too many deer, they need to be killed.
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Under my stand:
Hunting is necessary, healthy, fun, and delicious.
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Re: Hunting is fucked up... [Re: Mr. Middle]
#13389532 - 10/26/10 09:18 AM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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I was walking into the grocery store the other day and walked right past a truck that was pulling out to leave. In the back there was the corpse of a baby deer. The only way I could explain the size of it was to compare it to Bambi. Literally that small. It was smaller than my dog.
Sometimes people talk about the 'sport' of hunting and the challenge. Well, I've heard people talking about stories where they tracked a deer for a while through the woods, made some sounds to get the deer interested once they spotted it and then killed a large deer with the potential to feed a family. However, it was obvious that this idiot just shot the first thing he saw. When I mentioned it to a friend of mine who hunts he told me "It's assholes like him that give hunters a bad name."
I won't get into whether or not I agree with that statement but what I saw really disgusted me so I thought I'd share.
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Re: Hunting is fucked up... [Re: Shpongle1]
#13389536 - 10/26/10 09:20 AM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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youre full of shit
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Re: Hunting is fucked up... [Re: Lion]
#13390027 - 10/26/10 11:22 AM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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I did not read the thread, but saw this and wanted to remind everyone that we have now expanded the annual red neck hunt to ALL seasons and even off hunting seasons whenever someone can bag a dumbshit on the preserve with a weapon in it's hands.
The law only reqiures that they be a armed threat on the property and with the overpopulation and disease that inbreds and stupid cowardice pussies cause, we feel it is important to expand this opportunity to a year 'round event.
"Bambi" sized rednecks are OK too, but most of them are not stupid enough to try and fuck with the school or any of us. Usually, it takes a HUGE dumbshit to try and screw around with us up here.
Also, permits are no longer needed and there are no limits. If you show up at the door with a truck full of redneck meat, you are only required to mark the shooting sites in the forest so the proper reports can be filed.
Best Wishes Always!
PS - remember, shootong assholes and dragging them onto the property is still not allowed, so make sure you do a good job of it.
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MoeRon if you are talking to me then you are a dumbass. What reason would I have to make that up? And what would be so unbelievable about that anyway. I'm not on here trying to ban hunting so why would I make that story up. Great logic dude.
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Re: Hunting is fucked up... [Re: Shpongle1]
#13390160 - 10/26/10 11:43 AM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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I think hunger is way more fucked up than hunting.
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Re: Hunting is fucked up... [Re: Poid]
#13390230 - 10/26/10 11:57 AM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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yeah, that sucks 
not to fuel this silly debate much, but a vegetarian diet conserves food supplies due to animals requiring more feed than they produce (due to energy usage) something like 7 to 1 in terms of land usage
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Re: Hunting is fucked up... [Re: deff]
#13390234 - 10/26/10 11:59 AM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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A vegetarian diet is boring as fuck. 
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Re: Hunting is fucked up... [Re: Poid]
#13390258 - 10/26/10 12:03 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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try being vegan
you get used to it heh
a life where food is a source of entertainment is boring !
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Re: Hunting is fucked up... [Re: deff]
#13390270 - 10/26/10 12:04 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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a life where food is a source of entertainment is boring !
I try to derive entertainment from whatever I can, and certain foods just don't have any entertainment in them to derive from IMO. 
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Re: Hunting is fucked up... [Re: Poid]
#13390308 - 10/26/10 12:14 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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Poid said:
A vegetarian diet is boring as fuck.
Limiting your diet is boring. I like to try new things, new tastes, textures, combinations. There's so much more to eating than sustaining life.
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Re: Hunting is fucked up... [Re: Poid]
#13390316 - 10/26/10 12:15 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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Poid said:
I think hunger is way more fucked up than hunting.
No one who hunts out here is hungry at all. They are actually WAY over fed, and most of the time poach off season screwing up nature and the fawning season.
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Re: Hunting is fucked up... [Re: deff]
#13390404 - 10/26/10 12:32 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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Shpongle1 said:
I was walking into the grocery store the other day and walked right past a truck that was pulling out to leave. In the back there was the corpse of a baby deer. The only way I could explain the size of it was to compare it to Bambi. Literally that small. It was smaller than my dog.
Sometimes people talk about the 'sport' of hunting and the challenge. Well, I've heard people talking about stories where they tracked a deer for a while through the woods, made some sounds to get the deer interested once they spotted it and then killed a large deer with the potential to feed a family. However, it was obvious that this idiot just shot the first thing he saw. When I mentioned it to a friend of mine who hunts he told me "It's assholes like him that give hunters a bad name."
I won't get into whether or not I agree with that statement but what I saw really disgusted me so I thought I'd share.
You're a liar.
No one is so fucking stupid as to actually shoot a deer that small and not to mention they wouldn't fucking ride around with it in the back of their truck.
Hunting seasons are VERY strict. You can't just go shooting whatever the fuck you feel like whenever you feel like it. You're only allowed to hunt for BUCKS and no you retarded vegans i'm not talking about dollars. I'm talking about MATURE male deer.
If you break these rules and are caught you will be fined so hard you'll be selling your gun, your truck, etc.
Even if it's an ACCIDENT. If you accidentally shoot a doe and a game warden finds out that it was YOU. You're in deep fucking shit even if it's your private property.
Likely what you saw,
(if anything at all, because i'm inclined to believe that all vegetarians/vegans are fucking retarded, thanks to this thread)
was a good samaritan cleaning up the mess one of you no-driving hippies made when you hit a deer with your Prius.
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I did not read the thread, but saw this and wanted to remind everyone that we have now expanded the annual red neck hunt to ALL seasons and even off hunting seasons whenever someone can bag a dumbshit on the preserve with a weapon in it's hands.
The law only reqiures that they be a armed threat on the property and with the overpopulation and disease that inbreds and stupid cowardice pussies cause, we feel it is important to expand this opportunity to a year 'round event.
"Bambi" sized rednecks are OK too, but most of them are not stupid enough to try and fuck with the school or any of us. Usually, it takes a HUGE dumbshit to try and screw around with us up here.
Also, permits are no longer needed and there are no limits. If you show up at the door with a truck full of redneck meat, you are only required to mark the shooting sites in the forest so the proper reports can be filed.
Best Wishes Always!
PS - remember, shootong assholes and dragging them onto the property is still not allowed, so make sure you do a good job of it.
RREMEMBER TO HUNT SAFELY SO THAT YOU DO NOT ACCIDENTALLY HIT A WILD CREATURE OR UNARMED MONK OR STUDENT - They live here, hunters trespassing.
Wow... just wow. You are immensely retarded. Did you really just say "I didn't read anything in this thread but I decided to post some lies."
Jesus christ, wat-a-goon.
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deff said:
yeah, that sucks
not to fuel this silly debate much, but a vegetarian diet conserves food supplies due to animals requiring more feed than they produce (due to energy usage) something like 7 to 1 in terms of land usage
Ok... so if you have a problem with the meat industry don't buy your meat from the meat industry. It's common practice. When you boycott, you boycott a company or an industry but not a universal product.
The ratio you're describing is the problem when half our country is growing corn which is what meat industries feed their animals.
Of course a crop of corn planted on land the size of a non-industrial farm is going to yield more energy than it would if you fed it to cows.
That's the only situation that fits your ratio. I'll have you know that industrial farms do not fit your ratio AT ALL. They use VERY LITTLE LAND for a LOT of cows.
You just don't have a clue what you're talking about. Lemme guess you think vegetarians live longer too...
I really take pride in knowing that if it ever comes down to a post-apocalyptic scenario all you vegetarians/vegans will die along with super grocery stores.
Good riddance.
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Re: Hunting is fucked up... [Re: curenado]
#13390405 - 10/26/10 12:32 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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curenado said:
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Poid said:
I think hunger is way more fucked up than hunting.
No one who hunts out here is hungry at all. They are actually WAY over fed, and most of the time poach off season screwing up nature and the fawning season.
I'm hungry right now. I'm thinking a ham sandwich and some chips. I'm gonna have to go hunting through my fridge.
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I think hunger is way more fucked up than hunting.
No one who hunts out here is hungry at all. They are actually WAY over fed, and most of the time poach off season screwing up nature and the fawning season.
I'm hungry right now. I'm thinking a ham sandwich and some chips. I'm gonna have to go hunting through my fridge.
Sounds pretty appetizing. I like to mix up my meats, throw in some ham, some turkey, etc. ANY animal product you can find man.
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Re: Hunting is fucked up... [Re: anarchOi]
#13390476 - 10/26/10 12:48 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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why do meat eaters start flaunting their meat eating habits when vegetarianism is brought up?
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Re: Hunting is fucked up... [Re: deff]
#13390535 - 10/26/10 01:02 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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Because vegetarians/vegans flaunt their lifestyle constantly, not just when omnivorous diets are brought up.
It's like when gay people wear ass-less leather chaps and a strap-on on their forehead and wonder why everyone treats them differently.
It's a defense mechanism.
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#13390562 - 10/26/10 01:09 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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Because vegetarians/vegans flaunt their lifestyle constantly, not just when omnivorous diets are brought up.
I always see this argument made, but in my experience, with a few notable exceptions, vegans and vegetarians don't really brag about their diets or try to reel people into ethical/health discussions about them. There are lots of self-righteous people in almost any particular sub-culture, but self-righteousness among vegans and vegetarians is not the norm, IME.
I think lots of carnivores secretly, maybe even unconsciously, feel quite guilty about eating meat, or at least eating as much of it as they do and from industrial sources, now that people are more conscious about the cruelty and environmental degradation involved in industrial meat operations. I definitely feel pangs of guilt from time-to-time when biting into a juicy Double Whopper with cheese.
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Re: Hunting is fucked up... [Re: Lion]
#13390573 - 10/26/10 01:13 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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See you think you're a sub-culture.
You've proved the point against yourself.
Just because you don't eat animal products doesn't mean you've created your own culture. It just means you're weird and probably malnourished.
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See you think you're a sub-culture.
You've proved the point against yourself.
Just because you don't eat animal products doesn't mean you've created your own culture. It just means you're weird and probably malnourished.
 I eat meat. You're attacking an abstraction.
And there is definitely a sub-culture of veganism and vegetarianism, with its own social dynamics, that intersects with lots of other sub-cultures. Maybe you don't live in an urban area where such a culture exists, or maybe you don't understand the definition of "sub-culture".
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Haha you're hilarious "anarchOi".
1.) You wrongly assumed that I am either vegetarian on vegan. Good try but you're not as smart as you think.
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You're a liar.
No one is so fucking stupid as to actually shoot a deer that small and not to mention they wouldn't fucking ride around with it in the back of their truck.
2.) You wrongly assumed that I made this story up for...can't even guess what reason you think I made this up. But I do not really give a shit why you think I would have made it up, you are still wrong.
3.) You wrongly assume that you know what everyone is smart enough to do or not do. People are "so stupid as to" shoot more retarded things than small deer. I saw it with my own fucking eyes. It was smaller than my dog. Yes, I have a large dog (about 135 lbs) but I didn't mean it in terms of weight. This thing obviously weighed less. I meant in terms of height/length. It was smaller and you're an idiot for trying to act like you know I'm wrong or making this up for no reason. You don't know what people would or would not do, even if it WAS a crime, like you are saying but it's NOT. Because, as I hope is becoming clear, you don't know shit.
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You're only allowed to hunt for BUCKS and no you retarded vegans i'm not talking about dollars. I'm talking about MATURE male deer.
You, once again, WRONGLY ASSUMED you know a god damn thing. You are WRONG. Have you ever heard of DOE season? Apparently not. You are a fool. And that would be quite alright if you would not go around telling people they are liars or wrong when you really don't know shit. There is no law on what size the deer has to be if you have the proper license. God damn, I have no patience for people act like they know things they clearly do not. Google "PA Antlerless Deer License". Does an Antlerless Deer sound like a MATURE BUCK to you? Is the phrase DOE SEASON not something you have heard before?! You're outstanding.
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Re: Hunting is fucked up... [Re: Shpongle1]
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isnt hunting our primal instinct? whether it's a deer or a republican... its in our blood to kill 
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Re: Hunting is fucked up... [Re: deff]
#13390661 - 10/26/10 01:37 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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Poid said:
A vegetarian diet is boring as fuck.
Limiting your diet is boring. I like to try new things, new tastes, textures, combinations. There's so much more to eating than sustaining life.
Yup, eating is a source of pleasure. 
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curenado said:
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Poid said:
I think hunger is way more fucked up than hunting.
No one who hunts out here is hungry at all.
Right, they eat their kill on a full stomach.
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They are actually WAY over fed, and most of the time poach off season screwing up nature and the fawning season.
WTF does "over fed" mean; do you have a source for the part in bold, or are you just bullshitting? 
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why do meat eaters start flaunting their meat eating habits when vegetarianism is brought up?
The same reason black people get all loud and shit around whites to make them feel uncomfortable.
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Re: Hunting is fucked up... [Re: Lion]
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You're attacking an abstraction.
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Is there anything else to attack/defend?
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Re: Hunting is fucked up... [Re: Kickle]
#13390669 - 10/26/10 01:39 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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Sure, I can attack/defend a human--do you consider a human to be an abstraction?
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Re: Hunting is fucked up... [Re: Kickle] 2
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Good point. I guess I hoped any response directed at me would address an abstraction more closely approximated to reality, since I had clearly mentioned that I eat Burger King in my previous post. 
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Re: Hunting is fucked up... [Re: Poid]
#13390689 - 10/26/10 01:44 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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I consider what you just said an abstraction, yes.
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Re: Hunting is fucked up... [Re: Kickle]
#13390724 - 10/26/10 01:53 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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But do you consider a human being itself to be an abstraction? An abstraction is a conceptual process, a human is not.
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Re: Hunting is fucked up... [Re: Poid]
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it still is an abstraction
is an arm a human? a leg? a torso? an eye?
putting these parts and a few others together and then applying a perceptual lense over it to discriminite it as one static entity called a person
you can't actually pinpoint 'person-ness' though
it's a useful abstraction for communication though!
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Re: Hunting is fucked up... [Re: Poid]
#13390813 - 10/26/10 02:14 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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Yes, I do consider a human being to be an abstraction. But it wasn't my intention to pull this off topic. Just being a wise-ass.
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Re: Hunting is fucked up... [Re: Kickle]
#13390826 - 10/26/10 02:16 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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Abstraction - Wikipedia
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Abstractions may be formed by reducing the information content of a concept or an observable phenomenon...
Observable phenomenon are not abstractions.
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Re: Hunting is fucked up... [Re: Poid]
#13390834 - 10/26/10 02:18 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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you only perceive light actually, not 'a human'
the rest is abstraction i guess
but back to the topic uhh ... down with hunting etcetera!
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Re: Hunting is fucked up... [Re: Poid]
#13390838 - 10/26/10 02:19 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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Wouldn't this little tangent be better suited for PM's?? Whether or not the death of this thread is due to it is unknown but still... Just sayin.
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OP, what is your stance on fishing?
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Re: Hunting is fucked up... [Re: Kickle]
#13390861 - 10/26/10 02:24 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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OP, what is your stance on fishing?
i would like to know this as well
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Re: Hunting is fucked up... [Re: Poid]
#13390870 - 10/26/10 02:26 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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deff said:
you only perceive light actually, not 'a human'
the rest is abstraction i guess
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Abstraction - Wikipedia
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Abstractions may be formed by reducing the information content of a concept or an observable phenomenon...
Observable phenomenon are not abstractions.
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Re: Hunting is fucked up... [Re: Shpongle1]
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Haha, this thread has gone quite silly. The major point of notice is the apparent lack of experience in the population concerning subsistence farming/gathering/hunting. I would have assumed that the shroomery members were generally more experienced in the areas of subsistence... Perhaps more so in the gardening & gathering forums.
It is a major mechanism of detaching oneself from nature to not engage directly in food acquisition & storage.
It seems that many varieties of modern spiritualities and mysticisms focus on 'supernatural' objectives, goals which are specifically hierarchical in the assumption that we must 'transcend' the animal realm to achieve full wisdom. Perhaps this is not universal, but it seems to me that the thorough immersion in our animal selves is fully supportive to a balanced mystical/wise life path.
There are plenty of methods of achieving this immersion, but the deep personal creative involvement in ones nourishment is a clear fast-track.
Whether hunting, farming or gathering, a respectful and balanced approach is critical to maintenance of natural abundance.
The typical modern lifestyle is significantly more detrimental to nature than that of your typical redneck hunting deer in the woods.
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Re: Hunting is fucked up... [Re: lIXII]
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The typical modern lifestyle is significantly more detrimental to nature than that of your typical redneck hunting deer in the woods.
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Re: Hunting is fucked up... [Re: lIXII]
#13390964 - 10/26/10 02:48 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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The typical modern lifestyle is significantly more detrimental to nature than that of your typical redneck hunting deer in the woods.
Truth. I'm not a hunter but I would rather have someone hunt an animal and use it to the fullest extent possible than support the factory farming industry, for example.
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Re: Hunting is fucked up... [Re: lIXII]
#13391135 - 10/26/10 03:25 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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Haha, this thread has gone quite silly. The major point of notice is the apparent lack of experience in the population concerning subsistence farming/gathering/hunting. I would have assumed that the shroomery members were generally more experienced in the areas of subsistence... Perhaps more so in the gardening & gathering forums.
It is a major mechanism of detaching oneself from nature to not engage directly in food acquisition & storage.
It seems that many varieties of modern spiritualities and mysticisms focus on 'supernatural' objectives, goals which are specifically hierarchical in the assumption that we must 'transcend' the animal realm to achieve full wisdom. Perhaps this is not universal, but it seems to me that the thorough immersion in our animal selves is fully supportive to a balanced mystical/wise life path.
There are plenty of methods of achieving this immersion, but the deep personal creative involvement in ones nourishment is a clear fast-track.
Whether hunting, farming or gathering, a respectful and balanced approach is critical to maintenance of natural abundance.
The typical modern lifestyle is significantly more detrimental to nature than that of your typical redneck hunting deer in the woods.
The only time humans take a respectful stance towards nature is when they regularly experience lack. Modern methods don't allow for lack and so there is no respect. So if you want humans to act respectfully they have to be in danger or perceive themselves in danger. Otherwise forget it.
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Re: Hunting is fucked up... [Re: Icelander]
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Generally speaking, this seems to be the case. Nature is full of the balance of abundance vs drought. Though where I live we have rural poverty with hungry families, these families are not generally any more respectful towards food issues than the rest. It does seems that most modern people do indeed feel generally endangered, though more typically it is fear of pain, death, losing a job/house/car, physical/mental/emotional attack or 'evil'.
I suppose that people have generally considered themselves to have risen above natural challenges through the creation of artificially stabilizing infrastructure and 'denaturalization'.
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Re: Hunting is fucked up... [Re: Lion]
#13391470 - 10/26/10 04:40 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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Because vegetarians/vegans flaunt their lifestyle constantly, not just when omnivorous diets are brought up.
I always see this argument made, but in my experience, with a few notable exceptions, vegans and vegetarians don't really brag about their diets or try to reel people into ethical/health discussions about them. There are lots of self-righteous people in almost any particular sub-culture, but self-righteousness among vegans and vegetarians is not the norm, IME.
Really? I don't think I've ever had a conversation where a person tells me about their meat diet and how it's so much better and more healthy for you and how I should eat just like them. Vegans on the otherhand, I've had them give me shit for drinking milk.
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Re: Hunting is fucked up... [Re: vsaluki]
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Team America:
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"Why are people so blind?
What should this tell us about how peoples minds work in this modern day?"
This post is interesting on so many levels. Probably the least interesting part of it is about the virtues or lack thereof of hunting.
Obviously a question like "Why are people so blind", has it's counterpart in the assertion, "I am obviously not blind since I am asking why others are blind".
The question, "What should this tell us about how peoples minds work in this modern day?" plays into another favorite pasttime of elevating the functioning of our own minds by condemning that of others.
But for a moment let's drop the discussion of who has the bigger moral dick and let's just concentrate on the question that is posed about hunting.
Let me take the position of the devil's advocate here and pretend that I am the ignorant, red neck, unfeeling, out of touch hunter that Team America is waving his finger at.
Let's say that I know that deer are an advanced species. Let's say that I don't need or want their meat. Let's say that I agree that they can become overpopulated because man killed their predators. Let's say that I still want to kill deer. And so I'm asking you - so what? Why shouldn't I? Am I supposed to feel like I shouldn't because the morally superior like Team America will call me names? That logic doesn't convince me. People who call me names have already lost all of their moral authority. Name calling is simply a way of feeding the ego. It has nothing to do with wanting to correct someones error. Should I have compassion because someone tells me I should have compassion. That doesn't convince me either. If I already had compassion for deer I wouldn't be killing them to begin with. And people don't aquire compassion because others tell them that they should.
So tell me, Team America, why shouldn't I kill deer and why did you post this subject?
You ask me WHY you shouldn't as If you don't understand...
Why SHOULD you?
WHY CAN I NOT post this?
Thought it was important in the moment I felt I needed to post it...
Get the fuck over it
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Re: Hunting is fucked up... [Re: deff]
#13392608 - 10/26/10 08:42 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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I think hunger is way more fucked up than hunting.
Both are fucked up..Quote:
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try being vegan
you get used to it heh
a life where food is a source of entertainment is boring !
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You can post whatever you want. Just don't cry like a pansy when it gets shoved back down your gullet.
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Re: Hunting is fucked up... [Re: anarchOi]
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You can post whatever you want. Just don't cry like a pansy when it gets shoved back down your gullet.
Would you cry like a pansy if I shot you with a bow?
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Dude you sure are stupid huh
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Team America:
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"Why are people so blind?
What should this tell us about how peoples minds work in this modern day?"
This post is interesting on so many levels. Probably the least interesting part of it is about the virtues or lack thereof of hunting.
Obviously a question like "Why are people so blind", has it's counterpart in the assertion, "I am obviously not blind since I am asking why others are blind".
The question, "What should this tell us about how peoples minds work in this modern day?" plays into another favorite pasttime of elevating the functioning of our own minds by condemning that of others.
But for a moment let's drop the discussion of who has the bigger moral dick and let's just concentrate on the question that is posed about hunting.
Let me take the position of the devil's advocate here and pretend that I am the ignorant, red neck, unfeeling, out of touch hunter that Team America is waving his finger at.
Let's say that I know that deer are an advanced species. Let's say that I don't need or want their meat. Let's say that I agree that they can become overpopulated because man killed their predators. Let's say that I still want to kill deer. And so I'm asking you - so what? Why shouldn't I? Am I supposed to feel like I shouldn't because the morally superior like Team America will call me names? That logic doesn't convince me. People who call me names have already lost all of their moral authority. Name calling is simply a way of feeding the ego. It has nothing to do with wanting to correct someones error. Should I have compassion because someone tells me I should have compassion. That doesn't convince me either. If I already had compassion for deer I wouldn't be killing them to begin with. And people don't aquire compassion because others tell them that they should.
So tell me, Team America, why shouldn't I kill deer and why did you post this subject?
You ask me WHY you shouldn't as If you don't understand...
Why SHOULD you?
WHY CAN I NOT post this?
Thought it was important in the moment I felt I needed to post it...
Get the fuck over it
Totally missed his point, dude.
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Re: Hunting is fucked up... [Re: deCypher]
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I think he's mentally retarded, the lack of nutrition in his diet has obviously adversely affected his mental state.
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<<You're a liar.
No one is so fucking stupid as to actually shoot a deer that small and not to mention they wouldn't fucking ride around with it in the back of their truck.>>
This person is way wrong and just don't know. I have seen fawns in trucks twice - at Osceola, MO and here at home. It's fucking disgusting and the MOST NAIVE thing they said was "There are strict hunting laws!"
The silly dressed fucks that maruad our woods every year DO NOT give a fuck and half the game wardens here are INBREDS who intimidate people away from their favorite places so they can poach there themselves.
Should not be calling people liars.
<<You can't just go shooting whatever the fuck you feel like whenever you feel like it.>> Well, they fucking do!
<<If you break these rules and are caught you will be fined so hard you'll be selling your gun, your truck, etc.
Even if it's an ACCIDENT. If you accidentally shoot a doe and a game warden finds out that it was YOU. You're in deep fucking shit even if it's your private property.>> No, LIAR, you get a $500 deer ticket - so imagine away and try to fool someone who does not live it.
This person has never been in the real deal - or they follow the rules and so think other morons do.
This extreme girl shit is unwarranted too:
<<Wow... just wow. You are immensely retarded. Did you really just say "I didn't read anything in this thread but I decided to post some lies."
Jesus christ, wat-a-goon.>>
I never lie about stuff like this. I'm not a vegan either. Show up here and might eat YOU. If you do not believe in the annual redneck hunt, call the sherrif and say "Doc said he will shoot any fucker he can on the campus with a weapon" and they will say "I wouldn't be up there fucking around with those people Brittany. The hills have billies...."
How dare you call me a liar! I have to live with the annual influx of assholes in the forest - HATE them. Shot any chance I get.
Don't believe it girl friend in camo? Brushyfork Road, top of the hill north of Yellville, Arkansas. Come on down! We love city pooty-tang in green spotted jammies!
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Hmm, didn't I mention something about these threads being counter productive?
Now we've got 7 pages of hate and pictures dead animals. And a few more people who think ALL vegetarians are extremists who try to force their beliefs on other people. And a few more people who think all vegetarians revert to name calling, rather than calmly, and logically opposing a point of view.
'Course anarchoi had no reason to act the way he did.
Truly deplorable behavior all around.
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Re: Hunting is fucked up... [Re: anarchOi]
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I think he's mentally retarded, the lack of nutrition in his diet has obviously adversely affected his mental state.
And you call ME stupid...
I probably pass more nutrients through my body than you think about in your average day of eating...
But im sure your thought process on the subject on the subject is essentially non existent...Just like the next idiot...
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Thats enough meat to feed my family for a year 
lets see 3 sets of backstraps
six hams and lots of sausage.
yummmmmmmmmmy
oh and two nice mounts for the family room. Idk about you guys but
i like to eat
roughly a 75 cent bullet to keep food on the table year round. or compared to a $2 dollar head of lettuce. But the choice is all yours
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to swing on the spiral
to swing on the spiral of our divinity and still be a human
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Re: Hunting is fucked up... [Re: BothHands]
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Hmm, didn't I mention something about these threads being counter productive?
Now we've got 7 pages of hate and pictures dead animals. And a few more people who think ALL vegetarians are extremists who try to force their beliefs on other people. And a few more people who think all vegetarians revert to name calling, rather than calmly, and logically opposing a point of view.
'Course anarchoi had no reason to act the way he did.
Truly deplorable behavior all around.
/end thread
Isnt it interesting...
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I find it very interesting that when I told someone that was flaming me to shut up I get a three day ban and in this thread where the shit is flying left and right, it seems like a certain mod is sitting on his hands. I guess he just gives out bans to his favorites.
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Re: Hunting is fucked up... [Re: curenado]
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BothHands said:
Hmm, didn't I mention something about these threads being counter productive?
Now we've got 7 pages of hate and pictures dead animals. And a few more people who think ALL vegetarians are extremists who try to force their beliefs on other people. And a few more people who think all vegetarians revert to name calling, rather than calmly, and logically opposing a point of view.
'Course anarchoi had no reason to act the way he did.
Truly deplorable behavior all around.
/end thread
I would think I have plenty of reason. Please don't take me epically serious. I cuss and rant as a normal process.
My reason for getting annoyed would be with the fact that I find ANYONE who imposes their unsupported beliefs on me as a retard.
There are PLENTY of non-bias sources which will tell you that vegetarianism nor veganism offer any nutritional, life length, or moral benefits.
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TeamAmerica said:
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anarchOi said:
I think he's mentally retarded, the lack of nutrition in his diet has obviously adversely affected his mental state.
And you call ME stupid...
I probably pass more nutrients through my body than you think about in your average day of eating...
But im sure your thought process on the subject on the subject is essentially non existent...Just like the next idiot...
Shh... I think even the people on your side agree that you're a fucking retard.
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curenado said:
<<You're a liar.
No one is so fucking stupid as to actually shoot a deer that small and not to mention they wouldn't fucking ride around with it in the back of their truck.>>
This person is way wrong and just don't know. I have seen fawns in trucks twice - at Osceola, MO and here at home. It's fucking disgusting and the MOST NAIVE thing they said was "There are strict hunting laws!"
The silly dressed fucks that maruad our woods every year DO NOT give a fuck and half the game wardens here are INBREDS who intimidate people away from their favorite places so they can poach there themselves.
Should not be calling people liars.
<<You can't just go shooting whatever the fuck you feel like whenever you feel like it.>> Well, they fucking do!
<<If you break these rules and are caught you will be fined so hard you'll be selling your gun, your truck, etc.
Even if it's an ACCIDENT. If you accidentally shoot a doe and a game warden finds out that it was YOU. You're in deep fucking shit even if it's your private property.>> No, LIAR, you get a $500 deer ticket - so imagine away and try to fool someone who does not live it.
This person has never been in the real deal - or they follow the rules and so think other morons do.
This extreme girl shit is unwarranted too:
<<Wow... just wow. You are immensely retarded. Did you really just say "I didn't read anything in this thread but I decided to post some lies."
Jesus christ, wat-a-goon.>>
I never lie about stuff like this. I'm not a vegan either. Show up here and might eat YOU. If you do not believe in the annual redneck hunt, call the sherrif and say "Doc said he will shoot any fucker he can on the campus with a weapon" and they will say "I wouldn't be up there fucking around with those people Brittany. The hills have billies...."
How dare you call me a liar! I have to live with the annual influx of assholes in the forest - HATE them. Shot any chance I get.
Don't believe it girl friend in camo? Brushyfork Road, top of the hill north of Yellville, Arkansas. Come on down! We love city pooty-tang in green spotted jammies!
WORD!
You're even more retarded than Team America and that's saying something.
Arkansas? LOL what a fucking goon. How bout you come on down to south carolina? Fucking city boy. You're a disgrace to this community which promotes self reliance and survival.
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EastCoastMushMan said:
Thats enough meat to feed my family for a year
lets see 3 sets of backstraps
six hams and lots of sausage.
yummmmmmmmmmy
oh and two nice mounts for the family room. Idk about you guys but
i like to eat
roughly a 75 cent bullet to keep food on the table year round. or compared to a $2 dollar head of lettuce. But the choice is all yours
Well actually , Its NOT SIMPLY a piece of muscle tissue that you can place on your tongue and through your own dietary habit, feel pleasure../
Those are conscious mammals...That bleed and feels pain very identical to you...
In fact, You yourself probably share similar mental capacities with a deer...
If you cannot think of anything else to eat than meat and lettuce then you are truly as dumb as you sound...
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Do you even know what sentient means?
How are you so fucking stupid? It's despicable.
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Re: Hunting is fucked up... [Re: anarchOi]
#13392817 - 10/26/10 09:20 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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A fucking dead animal is NOT a conscious mammal...
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Re: Hunting is fucked up... [Re: anarchOi]
#13392822 - 10/26/10 09:22 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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You're even more retarded than Team America and that's saying something.
Arkansas? LOL what a fucking goon. How bout you come on down to south carolina? Fucking city boy. You're a disgrace to this community which promotes self reliance and survival.
You're a disgrace not only to the potential of human intelligence...
You are an insult to all life forms everywhere...Because in reality you would probably want them dead anyways
And you're not the only one...
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Wow... You think shooting a few deer is going to kill them all?
We're not talking about endangered animals. We're not talking about poachers. We're talking about LEGAL wild game. You really seem like a real fucking pussy. I'd be more willing to shoot a degenerate like yourself over a deer ANY DAY.
In fact, while if I were to shoot a deer, I'd eat it and cherish it. If i were to shoot you, I'd leave you to be eaten by maggots like the POS you are.
PLEASE I fucking beseech you to post a relevant reply.
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Re: Hunting is fucked up... [Re: anarchOi]
#13392851 - 10/26/10 09:28 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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Wow... You think shooting a few deer is going to kill them all?
We're not talking about endangered animals. We're not talking about poachers. We're talking about LEGAL wild game. You really seem like a real fucking pussy. I'd be more willing to shoot a degenerate like yourself over a deer ANY DAY.
In fact, while if I were to shoot a deer, I'd eat it and cherish it. If i were to shoot you, I'd leave you to be eaten by maggots like the POS you are.
PLEASE I fucking beseech you to post a relevant reply.
If anyone is relevant...It is NOT you
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Names like "anarchy" are perfect evidence of a purely imaginary penis, imo. In a real time, I would have someone puffed like that tagged right off as a easy meat target.
At least I can live on something besides a diet that is not really realistic anyway, because what the imaginary people that come here find is that when they start taking deer like that, the deer just move away and then they really are done. (Real. Not out of a book or one of those dumbass videos you paid for)
You don't even need to hunt - and I would NOT be bragging on SC by any means
Anybody who thinks they are just going to get some guns and "head for the hills" should know that there are already people in the hills with guns - and NO USE for you....(There - trying to be sweet)
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Re: Hunting is fucked up... *DELETED* [Re: TeamAmerica]
#13392868 - 10/26/10 09:32 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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Re: Hunting is fucked up... [Re: anarchOi]
#13392891 - 10/26/10 09:36 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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Here's direct proof that you're a fucking idiot...
http://reason.com/archives/2001/11/21/north-americas-most-dangerous
Yeah... Let's stop regulating deer populations...
Geez, do you even live in a place where you CANNOT travel at night without seeing MULTIPLE deer in the road? Outside of the fucking city, we risk our lives every time we drive above 35 MPH because of deer IN THE ROAD.
You don't know how many friends I have who have TOTALED their cars hitting dumb fucking deer standing in the middle of the road as they come around a corner. You don't know how many people I know personally who've been horrifically in an accident involving STUPID DEER IN THE ROAD.
God you're such a fucking goon. Your stupidity eats away at my very soul. The ignorance and complete idiocy bothers me in a way that no other post has.
I seriously, seriously, hope you die in a fire for being so god damn stupid.
You do realize that the reason you see them running on your roads is that because the small amounts of "Forests" that are left are even intersected by more roads and houses...
THE DEER are not over populating...
You're fucking blind, have compassion for other animals...That has nothing to do with being a pussy...LOL
Grow the fuck up
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Re: Hunting is fucked up... [Re: curenado]
#13392892 - 10/26/10 09:36 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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Names like "anarchy" are perfect evidence of a purely imaginary penis, imo. In a real time, I would have someone puffed like that tagged right off as a easy meat target.
At least I can live on something besides a diet that is not really realistic anyway, because what the imaginary people that come here find is that when they start taking deer like that, the deer just move away and then they really are done. (Real. Not out of a book or one of those dumbass videos you paid for)
You don't even need to hunt - and I would NOT be bragging on SC by any means
Anybody who thinks they are just going to get some guns and "head for the hills" should know that there are already people in the hills with guns - and NO USE for you....(There - trying to be sweet)
Sigh... How are you so stupid? I'm not bragging about SC because I think the majority of the people here are stupid BUT we've got some of the BEST conditions for wild life in the region.
Have you ever hunted deer? Have you ever hunted mushrooms? Have you ever hunter edible wild plants?
Geez dood.. My knowledge of wild animals, fungi and plants would make you look like a spoiled fucking brat.
So get off my fucking nuts you lying hippy. You make up lies to support your stupid claims.
So you saw a truck at a grocery store and you some how KNOW that the guy who owned the truck was an immoral redneck?
That only proves that you're a fucking liar.
I'm giving you the "I hope you DIAF" as well.
Feel privileged.
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anarchOi said:
Here's direct proof that you're a fucking idiot...
http://reason.com/archives/2001/11/21/north-americas-most-dangerous
Yeah... Let's stop regulating deer populations...
Geez, do you even live in a place where you CANNOT travel at night without seeing MULTIPLE deer in the road? Outside of the fucking city, we risk our lives every time we drive above 35 MPH because of deer IN THE ROAD.
You don't know how many friends I have who have TOTALED their cars hitting dumb fucking deer standing in the middle of the road as they come around a corner. You don't know how many people I know personally who've been horrifically in an accident involving STUPID DEER IN THE ROAD.
God you're such a fucking goon. Your stupidity eats away at my very soul. The ignorance and complete idiocy bothers me in a way that no other post has.
I seriously, seriously, hope you die in a fire for being so god damn stupid.
You do realize that reason you see them running on your roads is that because the small amounts of "Forests" that are left are even intersected by more roads and houses...
THE DEER are not over populating...
You're fucking blind, have compassion for other animals...That has nothing to do with being a pussy...LOL
Grow the fuck up
.... in the areas I'm talking about there are more woods than there are "human habitats."
Jesus you're such a close minded fool!
Deer ARE overpopulating... you know why? Because in this area we used to have big cats, wolves and other predators.
Nothing anyone can do can bring these animals back and they create a problem for the average person who chooses to live more than 15 minutes away from a major city.
Really... why are you stupid? You know NOTHING about how the ecosystem works yet you spout stupidity from your fingers like its a natural resource.
You say "grow up" yet you're the dumb fuck who treats death as if it were an EVIL ultimatum. Whether a person kills the deer, or a car, or it dies of natural causes... ITS GOING TO DIE.
What you think the maggots and centipedes which DEVOUR the rotting corpse and the mice which pick away at the rotting flesh left over are IMMORAL?
You're so fucking stupid that it's literally ruined my night.
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Re: Hunting is fucked up... [Re: anarchOi]
#13392928 - 10/26/10 09:43 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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No, Brittany, I live in a place where there are too many stupid people in the road at night and they are stupid drunks driving with no regard for the environment they live in, or the other people they live with.
THEY are the out of balance natural problem.
Besides - if you can't avoid animals in the road - who are you calling stupid and dangerous?
Oh - unless are you one of those REAL big brave guys who hunts with their truck by running them down and running away with them? Not saying you are, but that is always their excuse.
I take great comfort in the liver flukes, parasites and other diseases ignorant book 'larned girls who think they are "Mountain Men" contract - they know nothing of farming, life or nature on the real. Just a weak souled dink with a gun and the brains of a cucumber...
That is one of the great revenges on the fake man. He does not really know how to eat at all - that is why so many white trash and inbreds here are so unhealthy and of diminished intelligence. They eat like crap because they are so lazy and low.
...and I am sorry about SC. We have heard that you have a bigger police state over there and are even more miserable than us. Shame that.
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There are more people imprisoned for the commission of drug offenses in the United States - close to 500,000 - than are incarcerated in England, France, Germany, and Japan for all crimes combined. Examined in another way, the United States has 100,000 more people incarcerated for nonviolent drug offenses than all the countries of the European Union combined, despite the fact that the European Union has 100 million more citizens.
- "Drugs and Drug Policy: The Control of Consciousness Alteration, 2007.
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Re: Hunting is fucked up... [Re: Shpongle1]
#13392954 - 10/26/10 09:49 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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I think he called you the liar first - I just said I have seen the same thing more than once myself. Then it was my turn....
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Re: Hunting is fucked up... [Re: Shpongle1] 1
#13392971 - 10/26/10 09:51 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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The typical modern lifestyle is significantly more detrimental to nature than that of your typical redneck hunting deer in the woods.
Truth. I'm not a hunter but I would rather have someone hunt an animal and use it to the fullest extent possible than support the factory farming industry, for example.
True that. I'm sure throughout the millennium there were hunters who revered the animals they killed. The plains Indians, for example, used every last part of the buffalo. It was the white man who came in and hunted the poor beast for mere sport - driving them to near extinction. IMO there needs to be a distinction between sustainable hunting and wasteful sport. Factory farming, although hardly wasteful, is a new breed of human horror. Nothing deserves to live it's life in a 2 by 2 cage, in it's own waste. Animals, like people, deserve to toil under the sun.
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Re: Hunting is fucked up... [Re: TeamAmerica] 2
#13393007 - 10/26/10 10:02 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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Reason:
As I read through this thread, it is turning out to be too much moderation for me to handle. If you can't have a conversation without resorting to name calling, here is a link to OTD: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/postlist.php/Board/6
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