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 TeamAmerica
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 Hunting is fucked up...  7
#13381884 - 10/24/10 06:11 PM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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When people go out with a gun and shoot an animal for the "Sport" of it, specifically deer
(or even any animal for that matter...)
What are people seeing these creatures as that even share the same scale as them...A deer, or an elephant or a cow, or a lion, Biology that is damn quite similar to you in the scope of ultimate biological evolution...
What conception is born in the minds of men when they see another animal?
Do you really feel that isolated in your biological place in this world?
I guarantee you a deer is not that much different from you...
SO what...You have a bigger brain?
It is essential to certain traits we have as humans...But when you kill other animals, ESPECIALLY OTHER MAMMALS, its really not much different than killing another member of your own species...does that make sense?
There is nothing "Manly" about it...Your men are fools...
People say they are "OVER POPULATING"
YOU ARE OVER POPULATING
Why are people so blind?
What should this tell us about how peoples minds work in this modern day?
.../end rant   Deer and other vegetarian animals are so majestic and noble anyways...
Edited by TeamAmerica (10/24/10 08:17 PM)
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As long as someone eats whatever you kill it's fine. Chill.
By the way I am not a man.
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It is essential to certain traits we have as humans...But when you kill other animals, ESPECIALLY OTHER MAMMALS, its really not much different than killing another member of your own species...does that make sense?
No it doesn't make sense.
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Edited by Shroomerette (10/24/10 06:17 PM)
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TeamAmerica
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As long as someone eats whatever you kill it's fine. Chill.
By the way I am not a man.
People ALWAYS say that...
WHY is it fine?
Your not looking at it correctly...
Your not like a tiger that must eat another animal and can only eat other animals to survive...
DO your really think your own pleasure is more important than the life extent of another Mammal?
And it has nothing to do with survival...My ass your not a goddamn mountain man that has no other choice...
Edited by TeamAmerica (10/24/10 06:20 PM)
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 CycleThoughts
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What about for controlling populations? If you had hundreds of Canadian Geese shitting all over your stuff and hissing at you, you'd be ready to kill them, believe me.
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TeamAmerica said:
when you kill other animals, ESPECIALLY OTHER MAMMALS, its really not much different than killing another member of your own species
Um, it's pretty different. 
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Re: Hunting is fucked up... [Re: deCypher]
#13381960 - 10/24/10 06:27 PM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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deCypher said:
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TeamAmerica said:
when you kill other animals, ESPECIALLY OTHER MAMMALS, its really not much different than killing another member of your own species
Um, it's pretty different.
Explain your thoughts...
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killing is no good
very majestic creatures indeed
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You're preaching to the a combination of the converted, and those who will never change their minds. It's really quite pointless.
Though I agree with you, I certainly don't have the energy to argue with people whose minds are already made up.
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Your not looking at it correctly...
Oh I'm sorry I'm looking at it wrong.
In fact, animals will overpopulate in many cases if they are not hunted at all. If they overpopulate too much, they run out of food. Humans have gotten rid of a lot of their natural predators so they need some kind of control.
I take the practical view - humans have been killing animals for as long as we've been around. Hunters are only allowed to hunt during specific seasons and have a limit on how many animals they can kill. As long as we aren't exterminating the species we're doing alright.
It seems to me like you're begin kinda judgmental  it is interesting that you think that all mammals are equivalent, but of course you understand a lot of people don't feel that way.
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In reference to deer hunting, in many places that white-tail inhabit humans have displaced the apex predators that once kept their populations in check. We as humans are therefore obligated to be proper stewards of the mess we created and so obligated to take the place of the apex predators that we drove out/into extinction. Overpopulation of herbivorous herding animals can be a real issue once you've taken wolves and mountain lions out of the picture.
Irresponsible hunters should be tarred and feathered, but people who hunt for food and stay within conservation limits are actually stabilizing an ecosystem.
Alabama and other states even have available a service that will take your excess game meat and give it to people who are on food stamps, this being during the hunting season (winter) when many people are going hungry.
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Explain your thoughts...
Intuitively I feel that killing another human is orders of magnitude worse than killing an animal, just as killing an animal is worse than killing a plant. There seems to be a hierarchy of "wrongness" if you will.
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What about for controlling populations? If you had hundreds of Canadian Geese shitting all over your stuff and hissing at you, you'd be ready to kill them, believe me.
You are shitting a lot more than any geese...Over population you say?
How ironic...
Shitting all over your stuff? Your possessions are not quite as important as biological life as a whole...
Imagine what other animals see humans as...We are heaping our insane "creations" all over the fucking place...They don't give a fuck their shit flys all over your rusting cars and houses...
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Re: Hunting is fucked up... [Re: deff]
#13382002 - 10/24/10 06:35 PM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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deff said:
killing is no good
very majestic creatures indeed
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Re: Hunting is fucked up... [Re: BothHands]
#13382006 - 10/24/10 06:36 PM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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You're preaching to the a combination of the converted, and those who will never change their minds. It's really quite pointless.
Though I agree with you, I certainly don't have the energy to argue with people whose minds are already made up.
Sometimes its fun to stand against the waves...
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Re: Hunting is fucked up... [Re: Mchaggis]
#13382009 - 10/24/10 06:37 PM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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Mchaggis said:
In reference to deer hunting, in many places that white-tail inhabit humans have displaced the apex predators that once kept their populations in check. We as humans are therefore obligated to be proper stewards of the mess we created and so obligated to take the place of the apex predators that we drove out/into extinction. Overpopulation of herbivorous herding animals can be a real issue once you've taken wolves and mountain lions out of the picture.
Irresponsible hunters should be tarred and feathered, but people who hunt for food and stay within conservation limits are actually stabilizing an ecosystem.
Alabama and other states even have available a service that will take your excess game meat and give it to people who are on food stamps, this being during the hunting season (winter) when many people are going hungry.
I vote we hunt humans instead. A reduction in their population will allow for the apex preditors to trive again. Just a thought. Fix that problem, and hundreds of others at the same time. Win.
Edited by BothHands (10/24/10 06:43 PM)
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TeamAmerica said:
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CycleThoughts said:
What about for controlling populations? If you had hundreds of Canadian Geese shitting all over your stuff and hissing at you, you'd be ready to kill them, believe me.
You are shitting a lot more than any geese...Over population you say?
How ironic...
Shitting all over your stuff? Your possessions are not quite as important as biological life as a whole...
Imagine what other animals see humans as...We are heaping our insane "creations" all over the fucking place...They don't give a fuck their shit flys all over your rusting cars and houses...
Biological life itself is not important. But since you have such interest in it, do life a favor and end yours.
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TeamAmerica said:
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You're preaching to the a combination of the converted, and those who will never change their minds. It's really quite pointless.
Though I agree with you, I certainly don't have the energy to argue with people whose minds are already made up.
Sometimes its fun to stand against the waves...
Yeah, but generally these threads are actually counter productive. Some troll invariably comes in an pisses off the vegheads, who then retaliate, become beligerant, and shed a bad light on the rest of us.
A bit cynical today, I guess.
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Biological life itself is not important. But since you have such interest in it, do life a favor and end yours.
Here we go. Right on time.
Edited by BothHands (10/24/10 06:41 PM)
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TeamAmerica is right everyone should stop hunting and let all the animals run out of food and starve to death in a few years, that's a much better way to go.
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Re: Hunting is fucked up... [Re: BothHands]
#13382091 - 10/24/10 06:53 PM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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BothHands said:
You're preaching to the a combination of the converted, and those who will never change their minds.
Geez, what a defeatist attitude.
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Re: Hunting is fucked up... [Re: deCypher]
#13382107 - 10/24/10 06:56 PM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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deCypher said:
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TeamAmerica said:
Explain your thoughts...
Intuitively I feel that killing another human is orders of magnitude worse than killing an animal, just as killing an animal is worse than killing a plant. There seems to be a hierarchy of "wrongness" if you will.
Intuitively?
Intuitively you should feel connection to the other mammals on your own scale of existence... That includes Humans, but also all of these other animals that share the earth with you...I mean seriously...If they could formulate some dirt around and make it into a house how much more important would they seem to you?
I never said I think a deers life is MORE IMPORTANT than a humans...That's an incorrect comprehension...
How smart does the average human think he is...
LOL...Your important because why?
Your drive around in cars?
Just big hunks of metal that explode gas to turn wheels around on their axles?
Our technological ability can be ultimately amazing...and makes us unique on earth...But other animals are really quite identical to you... just without the possessions...
Speaking of Hierarchies...
In the entire scale of biological existence...Other mammals are QUITE DAMN SIMILAR to you...
Why does that not make sense?
Do you understand what a mammal is?
Why do humans view other life so incorrectly?
Edited by TeamAmerica (10/24/10 08:48 PM)
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