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 JackthaTripper
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 Weather Modification/ Chemtrails (Films Included) 
#13363697 - 10/20/10 06:55 PM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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I'm surprised a thread on this hasn't been posted yet, well I decided to go ahead with this topic because I believe there is this type of testing occurring in my midwest city. For two days in a row I saw the 'contrails' of planes turn into clouds, and were seemingly arranged in a pattern (grid and x patterns). The clouds grew and eventually covered good sections of the sky, on the second day of observation it ended up raining as the clouds grew.
Can contrails grow in size and cause clouds to form?
It is fact that the military has patents to modify weather and wrote a paper titled, "Owning the Weather by 2025." So it is not to far fetched that they are doing covert real world testing of these weather modification techniques. And China has admitted to successfully doing just that.
The general idea is to 'seed' the sky with tiny particles which cause nucleation points for the humidity in the air to congregate around the particle and clouds are then formed. This seeding is (presumably) accomplished by releasing particles (barium and aluminum seem to be recurring elements) into the exhaust of the aircraft. Cloud busters is the same concept but uses a projectile to launch from the ground to deliver these particles.
The more sinister implication is that the military is intentionally dropping harmful chemicals/biological agents on the population for experimentation, testing and population reduction. Although this is unproven at this time.
What are your thoughts on the matter?
EDIT: I recommend checking out these documentaries on the subject.
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DieCommie
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Can contrails grow in size and cause clouds to form?
Yes.
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What are your thoughts on the matter?
I think its one of the most ridiculous conspiracy theories there are.
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Re: Weather Modification/ Chemtrails [Re: DieCommie]
#13363757 - 10/20/10 07:10 PM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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Can you elaborate on how a contrail can spawn the growth of a cloud much bigger than the initial volume of the contrail?
So you don't think our government would experiment with weather modification?
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The visible part of a contrail is water vapor. The visible part of a cloud is water vapor. They are each water vapor. Clouds/water vapor easily change size and density, depending on the weather conditions and the altitude.
Scientists do experiment with weather modification. It has nothing to do with contrails.
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Re: Weather Modification/ Chemtrails [Re: DieCommie]
#13363830 - 10/20/10 07:25 PM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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The visible part of a contrail is water vapor. The visible part of a cloud is water vapor. They are each water vapor. Clouds/water vapor easily change size and density, depending on the weather conditions and the altitude.
Scientists do experiment with weather modification. It has nothing to do with contrails.
Incorrect, what we see in clouds and contrails is NOT water vapor rather water droplets (as the water has condensed).
So to answer my question you think scientists are doing weather modification but the government isn't? What makes this "conspiracy theory" so ridiculous?
I'm going to bed now will check back on this thread tomorrow.
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Re: Weather Modification/ Chemtrails [Re: DieCommie]
#13363895 - 10/20/10 07:39 PM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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From your link:
"Fog and clouds form through condensation around cloud condensation nuclei. In the absence of nuclei, condensation will only occur at much lower temperatures."
Research it. You don't see water vapor you see the condensation as it transitions from a gas stage to a liquid stage.
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So now that we've got that out of the way...
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What makes this "conspiracy theory" so ridiculous?
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I saw this in the sky the same day as this. Conspiracy?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Fort_Dix_attack_plot
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So now that we've got that out of the way...
Gotten what out of the way? You are just quibbling over a pointless definition because you have nothing else to go on. Ok, so we dont call it water vapor - its water droplets. Big fuckin deal, that doesn't change anything.
I think its ridiculous because there is no motive to do it, no means to do it, and no evidence that it is being done.
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Whether its geo-engineering or otherwise if you think there is something to it take some pictures and send them to local media and try to get them to cover it. I've seen the grids as well in my city and sadly it wouldn't surprise me if they were doing either of them or both.
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Re: Weather Modification/ Chemtrails [Re: ekomstop]
#13364626 - 10/20/10 10:19 PM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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Living very close to an airport I find it hard to understand why people dismiss chemtrails as nothing. Normal planes don't leave chemtrails, yet here in Cincinnati I see planes spraying shit on us multiple times a day. I think that should prove beyond a doubt that this isn't some experiment but something (most likely sinister) very well planed and executed. You mean to tell me that over countless towns and cities worldwide they are wasting time, money, and fuel to spray water into the atmosphere? Come on!
I've read all kinds of theories. They are many declassified documents describing all sorts of applications, but the main theme between them is always bad for the public.
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Re: Weather Modification/ Chemtrails [Re: DieCommie]
#13365567 - 10/21/10 07:12 AM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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Edited by amIawakewhenIdream (10/21/10 07:17 AM)
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Re: Weather Modification/ Chemtrails [Re: amilibertine]
#13366290 - 10/21/10 10:57 AM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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CycleThoughts said:
I saw this in the sky the same day as this. Conspiracy?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Fort_Dix_attack_plot
Damn that's pretty crazy, what do you think the connection could be?
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So now that we've got that out of the way...
Gotten what out of the way? You are just quibbling over a pointless definition because you have nothing else to go on. Ok, so we dont call it water vapor - its water droplets. Big fuckin deal, that doesn't change anything.
I think its ridiculous because there is no motive to do it, no means to do it, and no evidence that it is being done.
I wasn't quibbling I corrected you and you tried to argue about it, and it matters because you were trying to describe how a contrail can grow into a larger cloud, if you don't even know what these things are made of I doubt your ability to adequately explain the physics of how a contrail turns into a larger cloud...
Motive: China and other countries are already experimenting with this to provide rain to dry regions and use clouds as an earth "sun screen" to counter the supposed warming of the planet. America likes to be at the cutting edge; there is plenty of motive. If it is Chemtrails I would suppose the motive would be similar to when they tested biological, chemical, and nuclear substances on an ususpecting public.
Means: Like I said in my first post cloud seeding is a reality, look it up, it's actually been around for a while (first with rockets, now with planes). And they most definitely have the means to mix barium or aluminum (or insert chemical here) with the contrail of aircraft, why couldn't they?
Evidence is a bit harder to come by, but this phenomena is quite new, so research into it is new. There is some evidence that suggests it could be happening, like the document from the military claiming to be able to own the weather by 2025, patents to spray chemicals and for cloud seeding. There have been ground level tests suggesting they are using barium and aluminum. All proven ideas started out with no evidence and this had to be acquired over time.
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Whether its geo-engineering or otherwise if you think there is something to it take some pictures and send them to local media and try to get them to cover it. I've seen the grids as well in my city and sadly it wouldn't surprise me if they were doing either of them or both.
Wouldn't surprise me either, but I wonder how effective I would be armed with simply video and photos. I don't think this is enough suspicion or evidence to get on the news. I think a sample of the cloud in question is what is needed to prove this. But you would need FAA approval to go up that high and well I don't money for a plane either.
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Living very close to an airport I find it hard to understand why people dismiss chemtrails as nothing. Normal planes don't leave chemtrails, yet here in Cincinnati I see planes spraying shit on us multiple times a day. I think that should prove beyond a doubt that this isn't some experiment but something (most likely sinister) very well planed and executed. You mean to tell me that over countless towns and cities worldwide they are wasting time, money, and fuel to spray water into the atmosphere? Come on!
I've read all kinds of theories. They are many declassified documents describing all sorts of applications, but the main theme between them is always bad for the public.
Yes these definitely didn't look like normal contrails, and I know contrails can form cirrus clouds but don't know if they can grow like I witnessed. And the conditions for actually forming cirrus clouds are very seldom formed because the relative humidity, temperate and pressure are not conducive to form these very often.
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Seriously? Jets from Mcguire AFB showing their might to give us a false sense of security. I had heard the story on the news that day and figured that's what it was.
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I understand flying jets to show a sense of security but I don't know why they would spray a chemtrail too...I thought that's what you were insinuating.
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Edited by JackthaTripper (10/21/10 11:23 AM)
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JackthaTripper said:
Can contrails grow in size and cause clouds to form?
yes
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What are your thoughts on the matter?
weather modification is real, chem trails as presented by those supporters is kind of ludicrous
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Re: Weather Modification/ Chemtrails [Re: Prisoner#1]
#13367776 - 10/21/10 05:23 PM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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it is not ludicrous. it's based on what we can see with our own eyes. there is obviously a difference between contrails and these large gaseous plumes that spread and linger for hours. And there is proof of government intention(patent descriptions). what's missing unfortunately is publicly available hard evidence. flying up there to get a sample is probably a bit difficult.
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Re: Weather Modification/ Chemtrails [Re: Prisoner#1]
#13368012 - 10/21/10 06:00 PM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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Can contrails grow in size and cause clouds to form?
yes
I have looked but found nothing to substantiate this, can you help me understand how this works?
(and btw I mean it causes clouds to form that are much bigger than the original plume from the aircraft, meaning the cloud gained volume and grew and in many cases grew to many magnitudes larger than the original plume)
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