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I haven't ever tried DMT and lord willing i'm going to be doing so soon
Im very very interested to see what you guys who post here think about DMT, get all your different views on it
Set/setting suggestions etc...
This may suprise some of you but i don't see going into this experience as relating to Self realization/meditation in any way, i only see it as im gonna have a blast with a buddy & see what happens. I really feel that Self realization is something that is unbeatable sober & really only truly experienced sober (not as a glimpse or flash), so if im gonna trip its for the pure joy of it, the experience, im not under the impression its gonna be something thats adding benefit to my path, other than the fact i am gonna do it so it kinda is on my path anyway.
Im not against hearing about it in relation to realization/spiritual experience, im just saying where my heads at right now, going into it im not looking for any reality from the experience, just fun, wonder, awe, experience, its kinda weird going into a trip from this perspective as the whole 'trying to find reality' has gone out the window, so now its just playtime!
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I've never done it, but a great read on the subject is Tryptamine Palace by James Oroc. The book talks about his experiences with spiritual awakening and both 5-MEO-DMT and regular DMT. Be sure to let us know how it goes!
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Are you experienced with other psychedelics? Its essentially the same ego-loss experience just much more intense and intricate, in my experiences. Only done it a couple of times but it blew me away each time, I think if anything it shows you how much you really don't know lol. DMT: The Spirit Molecule is a good book to read as well, its about a series of studies done on DMT in the 90's (I think).
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This may suprise some of you but i don't see going into this experience as relating to Self realization/meditation in any way, i only see it as im gonna have a blast with a buddy & see what happens. I really feel that Self realization is something that is unbeatable sober & really only truly experienced sober (not as a glimpse or flash), so if im gonna trip its for the pure joy of it, the experience, im not under the impression its gonna be something thats adding benefit to my path, other than the fact i am gonna do it so it kinda is on my path anyway.
I almost guarantee you won't feel that way after you hit that shit. 
Mckenna apparently took it to buddhists and they said it took you as far as you could go and still return.
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Are you experienced with other psychedelics? Its essentially the same ego-loss experience just much more intense and intricate, in my experiences. Only done it a couple of times but it blew me away each time, I think if anything it shows you how much you really don't know lol. DMT: The Spirit Molecule is a good book to read as well, its about a series of studies done on DMT in the 90's (I think).
I downloaded the pdf yesterday, i will definitely finish the book before i take it 
I like that you compare it to other psychedelics as psilocybin/lysergic acid/dmt all have similar molecule structure
Im thinking it could be like tripping on shrooms or lsd but much shorter & much more intense
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This may suprise some of you but i don't see going into this experience as relating to Self realization/meditation in any way, i only see it as im gonna have a blast with a buddy & see what happens. I really feel that Self realization is something that is unbeatable sober & really only truly experienced sober (not as a glimpse or flash), so if im gonna trip its for the pure joy of it, the experience, im not under the impression its gonna be something thats adding benefit to my path, other than the fact i am gonna do it so it kinda is on my path anyway.
I almost guarantee you won't feel that way after you hit that shit.
Mckenna apparently took it to buddhists and they said it took you as far as you could go and still return.
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Dmt is by far my favorite substance. Its so beautiful. I recommend doind it in a dimly lit room withno music. That way you can really get a feel for what the chemical does to you. It effects all senses. It'll come on with the most pleasant body buzz ever, then you'll start to hear the carrier wave. If you have a low dose with your eyes open, the visiuals will resemble those of mushrooms. I really recommend closing your eyes, you'll see and feel amazing things. For me, dmt = love
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I downloaded the pdf yesterday, i will definitely finish the book before i take it
I like that you compare it to other psychedelics as psilocybin/lysergic acid/dmt all have similar molecule structure
Im thinking it could be like tripping on shrooms or lsd but much shorter & much more intense
Imagine your most intense LSD/Shroom trip condensed down to 5 minutes...
Have fun, it is a blast. Extremely eye opening and humbling at the same time. Go into it with an open mind or set an intention before doing so...I like to focus on Love.
As far as setting...A dark room, either sitting comfortably in a chair or laying down with a pillow under your head. I like to listen to soft music with no vocals, but others perfer silence. Just make sure there is no outside noise to distract you, such as people talking, a TV on, people rummaging around, etc...
Say hello to the spice elves for me...if you encounter them, don't worry, they are just curious and like to play around 
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See this whole meeting entities thing, machine elves & insectoid aliens that rape you, im really not interested in it at all, if i could go into the trip with a goal it would be meditation/total disassociation with the body
Im gonna try to have no goal & take it for what it is, an experience
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what i think about dmt i think peyote gives entertainment and medium beauty and colors. and i think cubensis give medium fun and medium beauty and colors and medium body relaxation. So with thos to things effecting how much a person sees colors i think dmt is probly simelure to part of the effects of colors. I assume dmt gives medium colors and nothing else. Like tobaco only gives medium stimulated and coca gives perfect stimulated feelings.
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DMT is life-changing for sure. After communicating with the self-transforming machine elves you'll never be the same.
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Im searching through the forums at the mo looking into it & i saw people talking about how you went crazy cause dmt showed you that the whole reptilian thang was true... dang
Im getting one of these to smoke it in, fill up the bubble with loads of vapor & go for it...
http://www.everyonedoesit.com/online_headshop/smoke-bubble-vaporiser-2.cfm?iProductID=2062&iProductCategoryID=521
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Im searching through the forums at the mo looking into it & i saw people talking about how you went crazy cause dmt showed you that the whole reptilian thang was true... dang
Im getting one of these to smoke it in, fill up the bubble with loads of vapor & go for it...
http://www.everyonedoesit.com/online_headshop/smoke-bubble-vaporiser-2.cfm?iProductID=2062&iProductCategoryID=521
I wouldn't say I went crazy. I just had a crazy experience.
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Cool, i wasn't implying you did, im interested in your experience, tell me more, through PM if you dont feel comfortable here...
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Cool, i wasn't implying you did, im interested in your experience, tell me more, through PM if you dont feel comfortable here...
Well..it's almost beyond explanation. You feel the effects almost immediately. At that point most people are scared to take another hit. That's when you take a MASSIVE hit. That should make you breakthrough. Like Terence Mckenna says that's when you hear the cheer from the beings that await you in that space wherever that may be. Then when you're in that space it's the most bizzarely intense experience you can possibly have. You stay there for about 3 minutes. Then you come back to reality just as fast as you entered DMT land. You have to experience it for yourself to understand what happens to you cause like I said before its beyond explanation.
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can't wait...
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I think psychedelics blast open your mind and sort of defrag it, clear some space on the hard disk, and also I think they have a quality of speeding up your evolution for just that reason, especially if you use every trip as an opportunity for self improvement. So in that way they do help with self realization because a) the ego is temporarily shaken up and b) more evolved ego = being in the moment more often, aka being in the self.
I wanna do some shrooms soon
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A bong will work better IMO, it's hard to get the right hit out of those things. Proper vapes also work well.
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can't wait...
when will you trip? please give a report in this thread
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See this whole meeting entities thing, machine elves & insectoid aliens that rape you, im really not interested in it at all, if i could go into the trip with a goal it would be meditation/total disassociation with the body
Im gonna try to have no goal & take it for what it is, an experience
Just dont be suprised or astonished if they happen  As with other psychedelics the better you can keep your awareness and not get sucked into an ego interpretation the better the trip is. But yea thats the best way to look at it imo, just take it for what it is without any previous expectations or hopes etc. But meditation/total disasociation is a given with DMT if you smoke enough (break through), unlike with other psychedelics where you can take giant doses and have a bad trip rather than ego loss if you don't know what you're doing. DMT, just smoke as much of the 50-60mg as you can and then just try and watch.
I'd also be interested in reading a trip report/your conclusions, mainly to compare to my own interpretations.
Have fun
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#13277853 - 10/01/10 10:50 PM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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All my posts in this forum are strictly fictional.
They are derived from an acute mental illness , from which i am forced to lie compulsively.
I have never induced any kind of mind altering substance in my life and i have no intentions whatsoever of doing anything illegal.
If I have ever suggested such a thing it would have most likely been , due to my personality disorder and i probably do not remember it at all..
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Re: DMT [Re: moi]
#13278396 - 10/02/10 03:55 AM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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A bong will work better IMO, it's hard to get the right hit out of those things. Proper vapes also work well.
I don't have a bong bro so can't go that route
I thought the crackhead style pipes were almost perfect for doing it
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Just found out the volcano is really good for doing it so gonna use that...
Gonna pack the volcano bowl with a lot of already vaped herb to make sure the dmt doesn't melt into my volcano, i presume the dry vaped herb will absorb any melted crystal
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when will you trip? please give a report in this thread
Will do, but not for at least a week bro...
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meth pipe if you wanna break thru
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Im searching through the forums at the mo looking into it & i saw people talking about how you went crazy cause dmt showed you that the whole reptilian thang was true... dang
Im getting one of these to smoke it in, fill up the bubble with loads of vapor & go for it...
http://www.everyonedoesit.com/online_headshop/smoke-bubble-vaporiser-2.cfm?iProductID=2062&iProductCategoryID=521
shiit... gotta get me one of those.
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A bong will work better IMO, it's hard to get the right hit out of those things. Proper vapes also work well.
I don't have a bong bro so can't go that route
I thought the crackhead style pipes were almost perfect for doing it
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Just found out the volcano is really good for doing it so gonna use that...
Gonna pack the volcano bowl with a lot of already vaped herb to make sure the dmt doesn't melt into my volcano, i presume the dry vaped herb will absorb any melted crystal
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when will you trip? please give a report in this thread
Will do, but not for at least a week bro...
O yeah I use my volcano style vape (superhot air vape), you want to let it blow the air through until the smoke starts to appear thick and then put the bag over untill you get enough where it's 3 FULL lungfuls, this is fairly full although my vape has smaller bags than volcanos. Then toke as hard as you can on empty lungs hold for five seconds each time, rinse and repeat thrice. It's by far the best smoking method IMO.
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Do you find that each hit is fully vaporized in one '3 lungful' bag?
I can make the bags as large as i want em so gonna inflate one with 3 full lungfuls of air then tie it up that size
I usually put a torch over the vape & as soon as i see smoke/vapor i put the bag on...
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Good idea, usually I find there is another bag for when you come down if you want it, air vapes get alot more drug that any other method IMO, best way to breakthrough by far. It's definetly best to let it go untill it's pretty thick as you want the smoke to be concentrated in the bag, make sure the bag is fully empty of air aswell. Can't give you a time for how long this takes as I'm not sure myself, volcanos have stronger pumps than mine too.
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I'll probably use the same vaped herb as the base for each hit, so if any dmt is left over it'll accumalate in the herb for the next hit
Have good weekend bro
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I'm looking forward to hearing about your experiences as well, but truth be told DMT is indescribable. I have smoked it once, and didn't get enough to breakthrough, but I had some pretty obvious disassociation going on.
I'd like to smoke it the right way, through some form of vaporization. All the people I know just mix it with weed and it guess it gets heated up more and then you're smoking a sort of weed infused with DMT, or maybe its DMT infused with weed? Either way the DMT definitely overpowers the base herb.
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Dmt is by far my favorite substance. Its so beautiful. I recommend doind it in a dimly lit room withno music. That way you can really get a feel for what the chemical does to you. It effects all senses. It'll come on with the most pleasant body buzz ever, then you'll start to hear the carrier wave. If you have a low dose with your eyes open, the visiuals will resemble those of mushrooms. I really recommend closing your eyes, you'll see and feel amazing things. For me, dmt = love
Good luck
i agree.
over the course of the past 6 months i have had some life changing experiences with this molecule. i have learned lots and most recently had my ego completely dissolved after being catapulted into the light.
perhaps my favorite experience was during one sunrise session. i settled into a bright white fractal world and as i opened my eyes some other worldly laughter erupted from deep within me and i laughed the most pure belly laugh at i don't know what for about 5 minutes, tears streaming down my face.
the afterglow of dmt is like nothing i've ever experienced. pure bliss/love.
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this is to the op, i didn't read any of the other posts, first off dmt is easy as piss to extract from a number of readily available plants, so do some foot work and get on it
second it is very comfortable, similar in intensity to a salvia extract but without the skin being ripped off your body feeling, i along with several people i know would recommend it as a first trip for people, so don't be nervous
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I got the dmt this morning, probly gonna be a while before i do it as i wanted to have a trip on shrooms soon first, then give it a good couple of weeks before doing the dmt
Either that or take the dmt while on shrooms
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or just plug the DMT in ur butt RIGHT NOW 
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Either that or take the dmt while on shrooms
I highly recommend this. For me, it eliminates the DMT anxiety I always get before smoking it. Rather than being scared, the thought of smoking DMT is overwhelmingly exciting. 
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dude dmt is a great first trip imo, seriously, prolly lowest chance for a bad trip of anything i have tried
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dude dmt is a great first trip imo, seriously, prolly lowest chance for a bad trip of anything i have tried
"If you take a psychedelic and you're not afraid you did too much, you didn't do enough." - Terence McKenna
At high doses, DMT is the most terrifying substance in the world, in my opinion.
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5-MeO on the other hand...
but that is a hole different ballpark.
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the thought of smoking DMT is overwhelmingly exciting.
its taking everything i got to not try it right now!
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Why not right now then? 
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I just swapped it into a new foil to put in a jar until the weekend which left a few specks on my desktop, so i loaded a pipe bowl with some vaped herb, put the few specks on the pipe, a lil more vaped herb on top & hit it...
Something happens, but its indescribable because there's no-one there to know its happening when it does
There is an afterglow aswell, man this is off a few SPECKS  I want more 
Real trip report this sunday...
And yes Ice i have severe death anxiety cause of the small hit, i know, i know...
Although the amount i had isn't even a small hit, it was literally specks, excuses excuses
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it's a shame feanors dmt chronicles aren't available in their original form anymore.
maybe i just can't find it 
A dude from the shroomery wrote down over 30 or 40 trip reports and called the thread - DMT chronicles.
This guy would basically go chill with the elves , every single time he had a breakthrough and it seemed as though the lessons they were giving him were continuous throughout his adventures.
it wasn't random , and they even 'kicked him out' one time , after advising him not to return as the lessons were over.
I remember one report in particular where he smokes the spice while on mushrooms and this plunged him into what he called 'nirvana'.
The mixture.. was supposed to a be a key reaching this enlightened state.
When he entered the realm of the elven folk, they noticed it.
It was like they knew he had taken the mushroom and they were almost proud of it , as if it were their own product , so to speak , and they were glad that us humans were taking a liking to it.
They made a comment , something like - they wont get you here , but the DMT will.
interesting stuff indeed.
im eagerly awaiting to read your reports as well
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sounds tempting... your telling me 2 of my biggest interests, philosophy and tripping, could make me rich some day
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Yeah I read those trip reports. I have to say I was dubious about their authenticity.
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Me too. That's why I asked him if the book was fiction or non-fiction.
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I would like to try 4-HO-MET. Apparently like DMT, but the duration is prolonged to about 3-4 hours and of course not nearly as intense an experience. Visuals euphoria and all Many find it to be their favorite tryptamine aside from AMT and DMT. A good dose is 25mg and a gram costs 100 euros.
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Me too. That's why I asked him if the book was fiction or non-fiction.
what did he say?
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it's a shame feanors dmt chronicles aren't available in their original form anymore.
maybe i just can't find it
A dude from the shroomery wrote down over 30 or 40 trip reports and called the thread - DMT chronicles.
This guy would basically go chill with the elves , every single time he had a breakthrough and it seemed as though the lessons they were giving him were continuous throughout his adventures.
it wasn't random , and they even 'kicked him out' one time , after advising him not to return as the lessons were over.
I remember one report in particular where he smokes the spice while on mushrooms and this plunged him into what he called 'nirvana'.
The mixture.. was supposed to a be a key reaching this enlightened state.
When he entered the realm of the elven folk, they noticed it.
It was like they knew he had taken the mushroom and they were almost proud of it , as if it were their own product , so to speak , and they were glad that us humans were taking a liking to it.
They made a comment , something like - they wont get you here , but the DMT will.
interesting stuff indeed.
im eagerly awaiting to read your reports as well
the way you described it as interdimensional rocket fuel in that PM
to go with that analogy, what i felt last night was just the engine turning over...
i felt the obe vibration start to take over my whole body
but i was saying to myself 'this isn't it, it can't be, i only smoked a few specks'
i thought i was imagining it all, just meditating, i honestly at first couldn't tell the difference
then it became forceful, like it was forcing me to meditate, starting to rip apart my mind from my body
i couldn't believe how powerful a few specks could be, i should know better by now
Fucking COME ON saturday night!!! 
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i love low doses, taking a toke and curling up under the covers. amazing open eye visuals. i always get a blue face that forms in front of my vision, a female face. she just hovers there and new thought streams come into mind and my heart opens up with immense bliss... damn i gotta do another extraction. so hard to find pure naphtha in canada.
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Me too. That's why I asked him if the book was fiction or non-fiction.
what did he say?
Basically he encountered elves every single time and he always had in depth conversations with them in English. Even Terence McKenna admitted that he more commonly encountered insectoid aliens rather than the self-transforming machine elves. Very few people come into contact with elves. He could be telling the truth though.
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he way you described it as interdimensional rocket fuel in that PM
to go with that analogy, what i felt last night was just the engine turning over...
i felt the obe vibration start to take over my whole body
but i was saying to myself 'this isn't it, it can't be, i only smoked a few specks'
i thought i was imagining it all, just meditating, i honestly at first couldn't tell the difference
then it became forceful, like it was forcing me to meditate, starting to rip apart my mind from my body
i couldn't believe how powerful a few specks could be, i should know better by now
Fucking COME ON saturday night!!!
haha
awesome !
right when you feel those ' vibrations ' you need to toke more i guess
until it gets so fast 
on ayahuasca , i felt like i could amplify these vibrations very easily if i just focused and slip out of my body at will. I had more control over it.
This 'focus' as i call it , is something that gets very easy for me on mushrooms and ayahuasca and i can't really describe it as anything else.
simply the ability.. to control my attention is at its max.
i can cut myself off from any distractions , and easily focus on one single thing , even if that means focusing on absolutely nothing.
the smoked dmt , is meant to skip all that.. and just shoot you out whether you like it or not.
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Either way I gotta pick up this book.
I'm not really into dosing high on DMT. Been there, but I think it can confuse the user rather than bring wisdom and understanding of what is actually happening. It seems like a fragmented and distorted version of Ayahuasca. Maybe the face that imparts itself behind my flowering perception transmitting information has something to do with the elves.
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I have to totally disagree with that smoked DMT has been a very beneficial psychedelic for me. I've never tried aya though. 4 sessions in a row can help the experience to integrate a bit better aswell.
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it's a shame feanors dmt chronicles aren't available in their original form anymore.
maybe i just can't find it
A dude from the shroomery wrote down over 30 or 40 trip reports and called the thread - DMT chronicles.
This guy would basically go chill with the elves , every single time he had a breakthrough and it seemed as though the lessons they were giving him were continuous throughout his adventures.
it wasn't random , and they even 'kicked him out' one time , after advising him not to return as the lessons were over.
I remember one report in particular where he smokes the spice while on mushrooms and this plunged him into what he called 'nirvana'.
The mixture.. was supposed to a be a key reaching this enlightened state.
When he entered the realm of the elven folk, they noticed it.
It was like they knew he had taken the mushroom and they were almost proud of it , as if it were their own product , so to speak , and they were glad that us humans were taking a liking to it.
They made a comment , something like - they wont get you here , but the DMT will.
interesting stuff indeed.
im eagerly awaiting to read your reports as well
the way you described it as interdimensional rocket fuel in that PM
to go with that analogy, what i felt last night was just the engine turning over...
i felt the obe vibration start to take over my whole body
but i was saying to myself 'this isn't it, it can't be, i only smoked a few specks'
i thought i was imagining it all, just meditating, i honestly at first couldn't tell the difference
then it became forceful, like it was forcing me to meditate, starting to rip apart my mind from my body
i couldn't believe how powerful a few specks could be, i should know better by now
Fucking COME ON saturday night!!!
YESSSSS
i am very excite for you!!! looking forward to your trip report.
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i can't wait, im reading DMT:Spirit Molecule and the anticipation is building so much...
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I have to totally disagree with that smoked DMT has been a very beneficial psychedelic for me. I've never tried aya though. 4 sessions in a row can help the experience to integrate a bit better aswell.
It's been very beneficial for me as well. It really opened my eyes to a lot of things. I'm just not into it anymore as it makes me feel scattered and fragmented. Aya on the other hand is the opposite and I find there to be much more understanding and long-term healing.
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i can see where it's a natural progression to leave DMT behind for ayahuasca at a certain point......
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Just do it already! You won't regret it.
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Saturday night bro, just confirmed it, gonna be me one other buddy & half a gram
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awesome... wishing you great adventures chronic
cheers dude, i was reading through some of my oldest posts here remembering my old trips & i saw you were helping me through a cocaine addiction about 6 years ago, pretty nuts to see us communicating way back then...
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on the note of the book writing guy, ya i started having an issue believing him when he brought up a 500mg anal injection, that is so high of a dose... i can't even wrap my head around it
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Sounds great. Ive been waiting for a long time to come across some. I think I might have to look into extracting my own because I have no idea how to find it.
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i was very lucky to find someone else with real dmt, definitely recommend extracting it, it is quite simple to do
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quite simple, I agree but I am the type of person that likes to try before I buy so I know what I am looking for in the end. It just seems to me when you go into using chemicals in this fashion is is best to know as much as you can before you move forward, or I am just sketchy because the tek almost sound like a meth recipe 
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lol it has nothing in common with a meth recipie wtf are you on about
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Sodium hydroxide can be used in chemistry for a lot more than just synthesizing methamphetamine. It's also used to make soap.
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i mean ya naoh is used and ether can be used but what similarity does the actual process have... that's what i don't get
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The similarity to me is just chemistry by itself. I dont know much about it so it all sounds the same to me.
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lol dmt extraction is way more simple, the method i and the people i know follow is just to add naoh, or lye, to convert your alkaloids to a base, and then mix in some naptha to pull the shit out, you drain the naptha off the top n stick it n the freezer, boom you got crystals formin in a few days
it is more complicated than that so i would do some research, but that is the basic overview of the procedure
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this thread motivated me to start an extraction tonight 
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this thread motivated me to start an extraction tonight
DMT is otherworldy good luck
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it's the crack of psychedelics thats for sure
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no, crack sucks really bad, and is a waste of cash, dmt is the cream of the crop
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bad vibes bro, everyone knows crack is whack
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Crack is Ok if used in moderation. I only use 5 times a week.
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if we're going to be honest here i toke dmt right after taking a hit of crack
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Does that put you in contact with Self-Destroying Crack Elves?
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no, self-dribbling evil gremlins.
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Does that put you in contact with Self-Destroying Crack Elves?
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this thread is crackin me up
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there is nothing cool or funny about crack sorry, thx to that and meth i got put in srs custody when i was 15 rofl
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i used to smoke it
but the past is dead so why not laugh
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lol true i am getting defensive for no reason, just sayin man, it is so weak for the cost... shit it is a pretty weak drug period, and short acting, it is blasphemous to compare it to dmt
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DMT sounds like the perfect drug. The long onset on shrooms & acid bugs me, plus the nausea on shrooms and the shivery comedown of acid. I don't know why I didn't think of taking DMT sooner. Quick onset, most powerful psychedelic, over in minutes. Haven't really heard of any side-effects other than having your mind completely blown. What could be better? To see so many people say "DMT is love" is helpful too.
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it's extraordinary.
after a bunch of journey's though, you start to wish you could stay there longer. at least i do.
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I guess that's the real problem... it's only a glimpse. That's the problem with all these things. Even a six hour shroom trip is only a glimpse, relatively speaking. I know I've tried to get stuck there and it doesn't work. The true purpose of these things, I don't know if I'll ever understand it while I'm alive, but I know it's good.
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awesome... wishing you great adventures chronic
cheers dude, i was reading through some of my oldest posts here remembering my old trips & i saw you were helping me through a cocaine addiction about 6 years ago, pretty nuts to see us communicating way back then...
woah no way... i have no memory of that heh
we also joined a week apart from each other ... spooky~
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enjoy it dude.
i've been looking into aquiring some latly. either by the mimosa extractions or milking one of those toads that contain it.
i always used to say trippin makes a person get frog eyes anyways.
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isn't frog 5meoDMT
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Yea, from the venom of the Colorado River Toad. Tryptamine Palace is a great book on 5MEO - I'd be much more interested in trying that over regular DMT. The effects are very different. On 5MEO you are just bathed in the white light of God.
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Yea, from the venom of the Colorado River Toad. Tryptamine Palace is a great book on 5MEO - I'd be much more interested in trying that over regular DMT. The effects are very different. On 5MEO you are just bathed in the white light of God.
and you havent tried dmt why?
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Yea, from the venom of the Colorado River Toad. Tryptamine Palace is a great book on 5MEO - I'd be much more interested in trying that over regular DMT. The effects are very different. On 5MEO you are just bathed in the white light of God.
yeah ive smoked 5meo
its all white and light after you've been torn to shreds by the void. not many find this a pleasant experience, though worthwhile in that you learn about your self.
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The plant i used for my ayahuasca brews , contains nn-dmt , 5meo , and bufotenin.
I think you got it mixed up a bit.
the meo is much less visual , and that can make it much more powerful because its left up to all the other senses to decide "whats going on"
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what your describing i belief is the bufotenin which is the main component of the frog venom, it is toxic, 5-meo-dmt is usually described as being much like dmt with a faster come up, and is more potent by weight
i myself have only tried dmt so that is all i can speak for, i do however believe you are mistaken
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who are you talking to ?
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I have never induced any kind of mind altering substance in my life and i have no intentions whatsoever of doing anything illegal.
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the cosmo feller, and i could be wrong, that is just my understanding, i do know the toad venom definitely contains a significant amount of the bufo tho
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It contains both bufotenin (5-oh-dmt) and 5-meo-dmt.
the venom is usually left to dry so that the toxins evaporate.
5-meo-dmt is much less visual(OE) than nn-dmt
some say , it is like having a regular dmt experience.. only without being able to see it.
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I personally don't see any similarities between DMT and 5-MeO-DMT. In my opinion, they're exact opposites of one another, with 5-MeO-DMT being the negative one. Perhaps I always smoked too much 5-MeO-DMT at a time but those experiences were by far the most unpleasant altered states of consciousness I've ever been in.
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i never said i had fun
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I personally don't see any similarities between DMT and 5-MeO-DMT. In my opinion, they're exact opposites of one another, with 5-MeO-DMT being the negative one. Perhaps I always smoked too much 5-MeO-DMT at a time but those experiences were by far the most unpleasant altered states of consciousness I've ever been in.
can you elaborate? i have had someone tell me that 5-MeO is more "pleasant" than n-n because it's not as intensely visual.
personally i had that "being torn open, white light of god" experience the last time i smoked (a HUGE does) N-N. shit was intense.
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I personally don't see any similarities between DMT and 5-MeO-DMT. In my opinion, they're exact opposites of one another, with 5-MeO-DMT being the negative one. Perhaps I always smoked too much 5-MeO-DMT at a time but those experiences were by far the most unpleasant altered states of consciousness I've ever been in.
can you elaborate?
For me, 5-MeO-DMT didn't have any effects that I would call psychedelic. It felt like I had consumed an extremely toxic poison which was attacking my entire body. It was agonizing. I felt like I was dying in one of the most uncomfortable ways imaginable. It gave me an out-of-body experience in which I perceived my consciousness separating from my body and drifting above it into the air. The mental effects are very unique and almost impossible for me to describe. They aren't comparable to the effects of any other psychoactive. Like I said, maybe I just smoked way too much.
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it sounds like a hardcore death experience drug. And everybody knows death is no fun. Honestly that sounds like a good experience to have under your belt though.
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It was definitely interesting to say the least. I'm glad I got to experience 5-MeO-DMT. Now I know the importance of extracting DMT from a plant which doesn't contain 5-MeO-DMT. For example, I would never extract DMT from phalaris arundinacea for this reason.
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I personally don't see any similarities between DMT and 5-MeO-DMT. In my opinion, they're exact opposites of one another, with 5-MeO-DMT being the negative one. Perhaps I always smoked too much 5-MeO-DMT at a time but those experiences were by far the most unpleasant altered states of consciousness I've ever been in.
can you elaborate?
For me, 5-MeO-DMT didn't have any effects that I would call psychedelic. It felt like I had consumed an extremely toxic poison which was attacking my entire body. It was agonizing. I felt like I was dying in one of the most uncomfortable ways imaginable. It gave me an out-of-body experience in which I perceived my consciousness separating from my body and drifting above it into the air. The mental effects are very unique and almost impossible for me to describe. They aren't comparable to the effects of any other psychoactive. Like I said, maybe I just smoked way too much.
hmmm yeah, i think (especially after my last n,n experience) that i am chill on that.
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it may be pleasant at low doses but what it does to your ego is far more intense and horrifying than N,N at a high dose.
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I personally don't see any similarities between DMT and 5-MeO-DMT. In my opinion, they're exact opposites of one another, with 5-MeO-DMT being the negative one. Perhaps I always smoked too much 5-MeO-DMT at a time but those experiences were by far the most unpleasant altered states of consciousness I've ever been in.
can you elaborate?
For me, 5-MeO-DMT didn't have any effects that I would call psychedelic. It felt like I had consumed an extremely toxic poison which was attacking my entire body. It was agonizing. I felt like I was dying in one of the most uncomfortable ways imaginable. It gave me an out-of-body experience in which I perceived my consciousness separating from my body and drifting above it into the air. The mental effects are very unique and almost impossible for me to describe. They aren't comparable to the effects of any other psychoactive. Like I said, maybe I just smoked way too much.
hmmm yeah, i think (especially after my last n,n experience) that i am chill on that.
you are chill on dying, even in a very uncomfortable way?
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Re: DMT [Re: moi]
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it may be pleasant at low doses but what it does to your ego is far more intense and horrifying than N,N at a high dose.
details?
I don't lose my mind on N,N like I do on 5-MeO
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in what way do you lose your mind?
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Re: DMT [Re: moi]
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I mean chill as in chilll out, like I can live without it.......plain old dmt has been a firm handed yet loving teacher for me
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Re: DMT [Re: moi]
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by forgetting myself
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by forgetting myself
whats so bad about it? cant you describe it? and N,N doesnt make you forget about yourself? or does it somethimg similar in a more pleasant way?
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Re: DMT [Re: moi]
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there's nothing bad about it, it is what it is. i just find it scary. the 'ego death' is much more deep than that of N,N.
i could describe it, but your interrogative attitude is a put off. that and it's hard to find words for experiences like this. for me anyway... english is not my forte.
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well, how could i have made you give details about it if not by asking for it? your answers were shit, so i kept asking.
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Re: DMT [Re: moi]
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make me give you details?
that's why i didn't give you any
i don't usually ask someone, "details?"
sounds kind of demanding
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my suggestion is to do some reading after you try it. go into it with an open mind, open heart. and remember that if you are able to just go with what's happening, you'll have a much easier time.
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After reading countless trip reports i gotta say im taking it more seriously than just 'looking for a blast'
Im not even expecting an enjoyable experience, im expecting my minds (not my beings) boundaries & limits to be pushed
Gonna be an interesting evening
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i still don't really know what to think of DMT. i havent done it, but ive looked into it. but if its so unpleasent why do people do it in the first place? part of it has to be pleasent.
i've thought of ordering some 5-meo dmt but after reading its less visual i don't feel as interested.
same with milking to toads after someone mentioned its the posion and not the dmt you get f'd up on.
dmt is the only thing where i feel like id want a trip sitter. i just dunno what i'll be like during the trip and dont wanna go off jumpin out windows and shit.
i just have this desire to understand it and its visuals. i almost want to say i'd feel like an acomplished druggie after doing it.
i mean its the most hardcore high there is right?
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It sounds like it, i find it more intruiging than any other psychedelic just cause dmt is already in us & pretty much everything else, and its molecule structure is quite fascinating.
I reckon an aya brew could be more of a potent drug just because it lasts for so long, it may not reach such intensity as smoked dmt but it can be quite a testing experience tripping for 12+ hours, almost anyone can trip for a few minutes, few have the guts to go 12+ hours.
Im just waiting for my friend to get here so we can take our first hit  gonna meditate for the next hour...
Trip report sometime tomorrow
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i've thought of ordering some 5-meo dmt but after reading its less visual i don't feel as interested.
it's really good on other drugs, especially AMT from what I hear. even smoking a little bit would be worth the while
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on the note of sharing or not sharing experiences, the few i have had with dmt where very personal and i don't talk about them
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Well here goes....this may be a bit all over the place, but this is what the trips were like, no coherence during them then starting to remember them afterwards
I loaded the first bag with just over 100mg (roughly as i had no scales) i was planning on splitting the bag with my friend so take 3 tokes & pass it, i took the first toke, WACK taste, second toke i felt myself going, fast, third toke i realized i almost finished the bag & then closed my eyes & completely went, it fucking kicked my ass, everything vibrates faster & faster & faster & faster perpetually forever, it grips you & its just completely terrifying, i never knew such fear existed inside me, i got caught into an infinity loop going over & over & over & over & over & over, faster & faster & faster & faster, i was totally sucked into the experience & it was IMPOSSIBLE to maintain a meditative state & detachment from the experience, there was no trace of stillness anywhere, my consciousness/identity was thrown into it completely, rather than a fear of death there was a fear of losing control, a fear of being lost in a 'foreverness loop' & fear of 'me' (bodily identity) being insane forever, i also worried about my friend going insane forever as he's already kinda intense lol, it roots out fear you don't know you have and shoves it in your face, imagine your two hands holding a wet hand towel & ringing it out as hard as you can, really really ringing it out hard, i felt like that towel.
I was gone for about 6 minutes, totally gone, writhing around in my bed, convulsing, shaking violently, towards the end my consciousness started coming back and it felt really really nice & i was able to hold self consciousness/meditation, but my friend was in the throws of his trip doing the intense breathing im sure most of you have encountered, i had to say outloud that his breathing was distracting me & bringing me out of my trip, a few minutes later i saw how incredibly intense the open eye visuals are, like an insane dose of shrooms or a big bag of nitrous oxide on shrooms.
The fear/pain of that first bag was only comparable to one time i was tripping at a friends house on 5+g of shrooms, i went to pee in his bathroom & passed a kidney stone, now anyone who has had a kidney stone knows how serious the pain is, and on the peak of a 5+g shroom trip it fucking floored me in his bathroom! I fell to the floor & was blown away with hygroglyphic egyptian images, then after the pain felt very nice, but that's the only pain i have to compare that first dmt trip to.
I saw many images during that first trip but they were going so so fast they didn't really come to me until i saw them again on my second & thrid & fourth trips & was able to really 'see' what i saw when the doses wore off.
That first experience was just total insanity & fear with a slight breakthrough at the end, the other trips were pretty much the same but on the third i had a longer more enjoyable breakthrough at the end being able to stay conscious rather than being sucked into the experience losing consciousness, apart from again being distracted by my friends intense breathing towards the end of that longest breakthrough, i decided to do my last trip by myself in silence/darkness while my friend just observed so i could really go for it with no distraction, i was gone for over 6 minutes & the writhing around in my bed was the most intense, i was rolling around being ripped apart, it wasn't enjoyable until it was over, i did too much for sure, it was just scrubbing me clean, purifying me, and that isn't enjoyable, it can't be, you HAVE to suffer intensely, it has to grab your identity & destroy it, it finds what you can't let go of & tears it away from you violently. As soon as its over though, even though its terrifying, its like MORE MORE! AGAIN AGAIN!
There was no coherence in the peak of my high doses apart from towards the end of them when i brokethrough or when i finished off my friends doses, thats where i could hold my meditation, otherwise in the throws of the high doses it was literally impossible to keep consciousness, maybe i did too much
I did feel very cleansed & purified, PURGED, at the end of the doses, but during them its totally gripping, no possible way of meditating & remembering my true identity, or even my false body identity. Its like an earthquake or a storm, but in your mind. Intense pressure & then when you start to breakthrough its weighlessness & enjoyable.
On the comedown doses (vaping the bag the second time)or when i brokethrough on the end of the high doses i was able to meditate, i was still writhing around, twisting, turning in my sheets, but i could let go & allow existence to make love to my body, it was massaging out all my inner knots & kinks, this to me felt like the breakthrough of DMT, way more of a breakthrough/understanding than the speedy alien images & incoherence of the peak high doses. After the insane peaks it was really incredible meditationally & visually speaking. Crystaline fractal visuals working on my body, i could consciously meditate, surrender & allow these kind of morphing crystalline images to move/spin faster & massage me internally.
Some of the closed eye visuals/experiences from the at first incomprehensible high doses started to come back to me later...
I remember when a few of the trips started i was getting sinister entities trying to capture my attention, trying to captivate my consciousness, trying to put/keep me in a state of vunerability/fear, they were like obscure morphing chinese dragonesque entities, they were in the conceptual realm, subconscious controllers, there to feed on the power of human consciousness by captivating our attention.
I felt this was going on in a subtle dimension closely related to our subconscious mind.
During a couple of the trips i saw an alien like figure, it had a long snout kinda like an elephants but not so leathery, you could say insectoid but it wasn't a gross & slimy insect like being, it was a very clean friendly innocent looking being with big soft cuddly darling eyes, around the time i saw this being i also experienced myself as being some DMT derivative packaged in a supermarket which had a swedish ikea vibe to it, very bright & very very clean & clinical, i actually became the drug/food sitting on a shelf ready to be sold, perhaps to these long snouted aliens as the consumers. I honestly felt like this was glimpse of a past life as being one of these aliens that used to get high on this stuff, or that it was glimpsing alien form of life & alien form of DMT on another planet.
Its amazing how i grew to LOVE the taste of DMT, it was as if i once consumed this stuff as food, the taste is so familiar, i loved going back to the bag at the end of the trip & finishing it, the taste was moreish.
I feel like this DMT is like the raw base form of a futuristic psychedelic drug, this raw form isn't really 'it', its too fast, too incoherent, there's no real clarity in the throws of the high doses, only when it slows down a bit & you regain consciousness.
When i was DMT packaged in a supermarket, it was so clean & futuristic/advanced, it was literally like clinically made food, not a harsh substance you have to smoke.
I also had strange loops of futuristic labels in a hazard type area or instructions on a fire extinguisher or something which was too incoherent to really be put into context, on the first dose i also felt like i had a non local awareness experience, i had flashes of being a human loading boxes onto a large lorry, my home is surrounded by industrial estates & i felt like as it was the first dose my consciousness was trying to claw its way back to some sanity & couldn't find 'my' body so i experienced a nearby body.
I probably will try DMT again sometime, waking up this morning i want to blast off again, its nuts, but there has to be a better way of administering it, smoking it in the vape made us both hyperventialte intensely as it coats your lungs with a nasty layer, i'd like to try it IV with lower doses & upping the dose until i find 'my' dose that still kicks my ass, but so i can still have consciousness during the experience, rather than remembering bits & pieces after the experience. The meditational breakthroughs i tasted were good, but it was literally impossible to stay there on the high doses as it was way too fast.
Overall i got what i wanted from it, my limits completely pushed & broken, not as much clarity & joy as i would've initially wished for but this is good as its forced me to focus on sober meditation which has been a reoccurring theme in my life recently, this was like a last hoorah to drugs.
Tripping can be incredible to the mind that hasn't fully tasted the sober truth, but to the mind that has really tasted the sober truth nothing can compare. No intoxicated high can take you there for long. I think the only thing that could make me trip again is me + a future girlfriend + shrooms. On shrooms i can consciously go into white light & stay there, on base DMT in high doses its just not natural imo, i'd be interested in an organic aya brew.
I would never ever take back the experiences of last night, i feel incredible & better off for it all, but i still don't encourage or recommend anyone to try DMT & never will
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my consciousness started coming back
Looks like really intense ego-trip. Do you feel cleansed in any way after this & was there stimulation
effect that you want to inject DMT? :P
Thanks for the report, I was really waiting for it!
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I have never induced any kind of mind altering substance in my life and i have no intentions whatsoever of doing anything illegal.
If I have ever suggested such a thing it would have most likely been , due to my personality disorder and i probably do not remember it at all..
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I feel cleansed yeah, it purges your mind, there were times where you just totally breakthrough to the exact same space that is the peak of meditation, but i can go into that same space without dmt by obsessively questioining my identity, that contemplation can come into contact with the same infinity loops & insanity/fear but when im sober i can observe & detach from the loop & stay in peace, in the throws of the high dose DMT that was totally impossible for me.
That space is present during the intense fear, i know this for a fact from my sober meditation, but i could in no way consciously find that space during the fear of the high doses, its like DMT makes you suffer it, makes your identity SUFFER, which is really mental purification. There were incredible breakthroughs but not on the bags that were 50-100mg, those high doses were just too fast, fast alien images looping, the bags that were around 30mg were really just perfect, to the point i could cry if i thought about it enough right now, the way those crystalline images spin & purify your entire being its just majestic. It goes deeper than your bones & you just let go more & more & the crystalline images/entities spin faster & faster, its like they're making love to you. As a male i usually feel the energy of losing control during sex, but still the aggresiveness of male energy in control, this was like being totally receptive, my body was being made love to.
It's very clean feeling mentally but at the same time inhaling it just doesn't feel clean on your lungs or an efficient way of going through the experience, if i do do it again it will be in low doses, taking it in slow over 5/6/7 tokes worked best for me, it was more creeping up to it & then being blown away, rather than just being blown away & losing consciousness
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I think you just did too much bro, its definately possible to keep your conciousness on it if you do the right amount (50-60mg). Haven't done anything above ~55 but you've just got me interested in seeing how far I can push it while retaining conciousness with the speak of "too fast"...
Just saw your above post..you say 30mg was perfect but did you breakthrough on 30?
Tip for next time: Apply the same mindset you use on shrooms/acid to the experience and assume all entities etc are facets of your own mind just like everything else you see. Would appreciate it if you let me know what you think after the trip, after tripping with that aim.
I also noticed the taste thing, as well as many of my friends have...even the first time, on the way up it was like "wow, I've tasted this before...and been here before...but WHEN?"
Glad you had a good time Can be quite nerve wracking lol
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Just saw your above post..you say 30mg was perfect but did you breakthrough on 30?
If 'breaking through' is coming to the highest point of meditation/reality then yeah
Some seem to think breaking through is alien contact, but imo that isn't breaking through, that's still focusing on mental impressions, not Reality, the alien images i had anyway were not in anyway related to the absolute state of meditation, they were images & the experience of being swept up in images.
Everything went way too fast on the high doses, infinity loops within infinity loops within infinity loops, some kind of hyroglyphic symbols repeating for eternity, pulsating out of infinity over & over & over, but there was the feeling of being swept up in it, i was all over the place, crawling the walls, rolling backwards, writhing about in agony, the lower doses i could really silence everything & let these crystalline entities work on me, it was beautiful
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think jodie foster in contact.
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I feel cleansed yeah, it purges your mind, there were times where you just totally breakthrough to the exact same space that is the peak of meditation, but i can go into that same space without dmt by obsessively questioining my identity, that contemplation can come into contact with the same infinity loops & insanity/fear but when im sober i can observe & detach from the loop & stay in peace, in the throws of the high dose DMT that was totally impossible for me.
That space is present during the intense fear, i know this for a fact from my sober meditation, but i could in no way consciously find that space during the fear of the high doses, its like DMT makes you suffer it, makes your identity SUFFER, which is really mental purification.
Awesome, looks like DMT is showing that worst suffering is not actually that bad globally as it lies on peace & love.
Like it makes you go thorough your own suffering to show you that it's not such a big deal actually & not to pay attention to
it, then suffering dissolves.
Cool that you can realize the place where DMT takes you with sober mind
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on the 100mg doses i entered an alien land & encountered an alien being & it was not higher (more of a breakthrough/understanding) than meditation on the lower doses, no way
it was just mental impressions, mind stuff, not reality
the mental impressions/alien world & being was as real as me or you, but also as unreal as me or you
to think that some 'alien encounter' is higher than meditation is preposterous imo, its just a dream
you told me you've never smoked DMT bro...
smoke 100mg DMT & report back please...
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I think if you take more higher dose then your mind will just like overload from information you recieve and this will
lead to same no-mind state.
This may be what Mckenna experienced. But I don't know for sure :P. Maybe one day.
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I wouldn't take more than 100mg DMT, its just totally incoherent until you come down & remember some images from the trip
I honestly can trip on 1g shrooms & meditate to the point that it's like when i took 12g shrooms, so i consider myself super sensitive to psychedelics
I could take a low dose of DMT & go deeper into reality than most could with a high dose imo, if all you are interested in is alien experiences then your interested in lucid dreaming, your not interested in experiencing reality, this correlates with all the experiences i read in 'DMT Spirit Molecule' as most people got hung up on alien encounters or circus type images, where few had actual enlightening/meditational 'absolute reality' experiences.
I could have absolute reality experience on a 30-50mg dose, but on a 100mg it was just fixation on mental images, and all images come secondary to the one they appear for (awareness) they spew out of infinity, but they are not infinity.
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I understand.
I prefer to experience it all with sober mind myself, without drugs. They may be great obstacles too..
I used to have trips on weed where experiencing and understanding universe and when I became attached to things, I started
having schizophrenic experiences. Eventually got over that mind state with meditation.
But I don't know,I feel like I could go other way too, not going into that mindstate in firstplace.
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i still don't really know what to think of DMT. i havent done it, but ive looked into it. but if its so unpleasent why do people do it in the first place? part of it has to be pleasent.
i've thought of ordering some 5-meo dmt but after reading its less visual i don't feel as interested.
same with milking to toads after someone mentioned its the posion and not the dmt you get f'd up on.
dmt is the only thing where i feel like id want a trip sitter. i just dunno what i'll be like during the trip and dont wanna go off jumpin out windows and shit.
i just have this desire to understand it and its visuals. i almost want to say i'd feel like an acomplished druggie after doing it.
i mean its the most hardcore high there is right?
bufotenin can be extracted from yopo seeds and not just toads. bufotenin does have a pretty high toxicity level from what i've heard though. i have the option to try some yopo extract if i want, i just haven't decided if i want to.
with dmt, 5-meo and n,n are two entirely different substances. i haven't tried 5-meo, mostly because from what i've read people tend to be either nonplussed or completely terrified by it. i haven't had any negative experiences with n,n though. from what i've seen people who do either a) have trouble relinquishing control to the experience or b) aren't doing right in their lives and are confronted with it when they get nose to nose with the universe.
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i got caught into an infinity loop going over & over & over & over & over & over, faster & faster & faster & faster, i was totally sucked into the experience & it was IMPOSSIBLE to maintain a meditative state & detachment from the experience, there was no trace of stillness anywhere, my consciousness/identity was thrown into it completely, rather than a fear of death there was a fear of losing control, a fear of being lost in a 'foreverness loop' & fear of 'me' (bodily identity) being insane forever
thanks for sharing
i experienced this continuous looping of lost identity spiraling inwards through fractal space for 6 hours curled in the fetal position. at first it was like the feeling of losing control, losing identity, thoughts would stop popping up in the head, leaving me wondering "who am i", "where's my mind?!". the though stream slowed till i got sucked in, or broke through into fractal space. DMT is hardcore but imagine being stuck in that loop for 6 straight hours. it was on a huge dose of acid and some very potent indica. the trip lasted a couple days and it took me 2 years to partially recover. im still feeling the effects from it. there's a trip report if you want it.
i liked your report, nice explanation of how it works.
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Its much better to go into that same space with a clear sober mind
I've found if i incessantly question my identity & focus on that with everything i got, it leads to that same exact space, meditating like that, going into that total let go, was incredible on DMT but the really high doses didn't allow it, they were places to uproot fear & show where clinging & attachment was still present, mostly in the fear of totally losing control. So i got shown exactly what i need to see, no more, no less.
It was fun, id love to do it again, i just really don't think this is the way to 'do' it you know...
Shrooms & meditation to me feel so natural, and i know for a fact can be just as intense as dmt, it's that same energy, but shrooms i can channel it more
High dose of DMT felt clinical & forced, amazing & full of potential, as its that same exact energy, it's just raw & unchanneled if you know what i mean
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thanks for sharing
i experienced this continuous looping of lost identity spiraling inwards through fractal space for 6 hours curled in the fetal position. at first it was like the feeling of losing control, losing identity, thoughts would stop popping up in the head, leaving me wondering "who am i", "where's my mind?!". the though stream slowed till i got sucked in, or broke through into fractal space. DMT is hardcore but imagine being stuck in that loop for 6 straight hours. it was on a huge dose of acid and some very potent indica. the trip lasted a couple days and it took me 2 years to partially recover. im still feeling the effects from it. there's a trip report if you want it.
i liked your report, nice explanation of how it works.
haha yes there was fear of being stuck like that forever aswell, because that infinity loop happens in close proximity to the central point that is infinity, its like it gives the mental illusion of infinity repeating, some phenomena/object repeating & repeating endlessly, when the real infinity is the space it all happens in, total stillness
during that repeating it was almost impossible to ask the question 'who am i?' which im usually quite adept at, when i could ask the question it was so brilliant, as soon as i felt self conscious it was great, but when focus went totally onto whatever phenomena i was seeing & consciousness was lost in the object there was just total ignorance, identity mixed with being stuck as that phenomena, rather than just seeing the phenomena
its incredible, this entire universe is made out of self hypnosis
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yeah there's no "me" to ask any questions... just a spec of awareness traveling through fractal space without a doubt in mind
before getting to that point though... scary shit having your sense of self ripped to shreds
all for the good though
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theres an aftershock at 24hours
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Interesting trip report...welcome back from the other side.
A few things I would recommend from personal experience after reading your trip report. First, you took too much. For most people, anything over 60mg will smack you around seriously and will create some of the scenarios you described.
Second, you have to let go and resist the urge to attempt in any way to control the experience. Trying to hold onto a "meditative" awareness is not going with the flow and in a sense fighting the experience. If you can surrender to it, the love that is present comes through more clearly.
Third, if you want to remember more of the expeirence and have greater clarity, combine the DMT with a MAOI. By taking Cappi, or Syrian Rue, or an extract of such (Harmine/Harmaline/Tetrahydroharmine) will lengthen the experience, allow you to keep a greater portion of your consciousness aware while journeying, and make it much easier to remember what you have experienced.
Fourth, try a different administration method. My perfered method is the leaf bed method in a bong. Put down some plant material (Calea and Blue Lotus are my prefered ones) place dmt on top, carefully pre-melt into chosen herbs, add some more herbs on top and smoke it slowly to your head. The other way to do this is to make infused herbs.
Also look into Changa, which most people find to be the end all be all of DMT smoking.
Thanks for sharing your experiences, was definaately a good read! 
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I've never done DMT, and this thread for the most part pushed me away from trying it even more. It seems like there is very little you can take back from the DMT experience other than awe. I think ayauascha may be natures intended form of this drug.
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and smoked dmt is a form beyond nature
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Re: DMT [Re: Envix]
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It's still from nature. I don't really understand what you mean.
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because when you smoke it you realize that it is not a drug you took, but a material from another dimension
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Smoking DMT is like watching a movie in fast-forward so fast that you can't grasp what you just witnessed. Ayahuasca is definitely the way to go.
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Re: DMT [Re: Envix]
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because when you smoke it you realize that it is not a drug you took, but a material from another dimension
Mushrooms felt very alien to me, but I wouldn't say they are from another dimension.
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I think mushrooms are to DMT as weed is to LSD
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i consider aya to be as far removed from a dmt experience as a dmt experience is to your waking life. i wouldn't recommend ayahuasca for recreational purposes, but dmt can definitely be fun even though it should be treated at all times with respect.
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I've never done DMT, and this thread for the most part pushed me away from trying it even more. It seems like there is very little you can take back from the DMT experience other than awe. I think ayauascha may be natures intended form of this drug.
You can bring things back, especially if you use a MAOI when smoking it. Profound life changing realizations can be had, bliss and understanding beyond imagining as well.
Most profound journeys I've had (2 of them) was to share concurrent consciousness with my higher self. DMT can get you there.
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I've never done DMT, and this thread for the most part pushed me away from trying it even more. It seems like there is very little you can take back from the DMT experience other than awe. I think ayauascha may be natures intended form of this drug.
it's much more than just awe, it's a learning experience on a whole other level. but i do think ayahuasca is very important for a psychonaught because of its grounding effect.
being a hedonist I enjoy DMT for the simple pleasure of taking a puff and experiencing the wonder of what ayahuasca doesn't have to offer. especially when combined with other psychedelics.
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Interesting trip report...welcome back from the other side.
A few things I would recommend from personal experience after reading your trip report. First, you took too much. For most people, anything over 60mg will smack you around seriously and will create some of the scenarios you described.
Second, you have to let go and resist the urge to attempt in any way to control the experience. Trying to hold onto a "meditative" awareness is not going with the flow and in a sense fighting the experience. If you can surrender to it, the love that is present comes through more clearly.
Third, if you want to remember more of the expeirence and have greater clarity, combine the DMT with a MAOI. By taking Cappi, or Syrian Rue, or an extract of such (Harmine/Harmaline/Tetrahydroharmine) will lengthen the experience, allow you to keep a greater portion of your consciousness aware while journeying, and make it much easier to remember what you have experienced.
Fourth, try a different administration method. My perfered method is the leaf bed method in a bong. Put down some plant material (Calea and Blue Lotus are my prefered ones) place dmt on top, carefully pre-melt into chosen herbs, add some more herbs on top and smoke it slowly to your head. The other way to do this is to make infused herbs.
Also look into Changa, which most people find to be the end all be all of DMT smoking.
Thanks for sharing your experiences, was definaately a good read!
If i did it again it probly would be smoking it in a glass pipe after infusing it into some passion flower (mild maoi), the way you describe taking it slow is what i liked doing as i could lay still, slow my breathing, and meditate into it, not 'control' it, but fully surrender into the experience, there was still the intense vibration at the beginning but i was able to 'pop' through to the other side of the vibration into clear space, at first i was just trying to get as much in as possible taking in huge lungfulls off the volcano, but then it was literally impossible to lie still when it took me. Full on convulsing & hyperventilating, the points that consciousness came back i was literally climbing the walls, writhing about, hyperventilating, if i was a subject in those medical trials Strassman did they probly would've had to restrain me or give me thorazine or something, after i took my super mega dose with my friend just observing (so i could do it in total silence) he refused to take another big dose after witnessing what it did to me. I did really go for it though, at first i thought i wasn't doing enough to breakthrough, so i kept doing more & more, but then towards the end i realized i was probably doing too much as on the 'lower' doses i was still getting the intensity & fear, but in a good way where i could 'pop' out of it & watch it happen. I didn't weigh my doses with scales so its my own fault really. What i got was supposed to be 1/2g, but after finishing over half of it, it still weighed in at 0.3g, so must've been over 1/2g, or maybe my scales are shit.
There has to be a way to slow it down, it is really very very incredible stuff, extremely clean high, when you come down it feels so clean & refreshing, its that same exact energy you can tap into on shrooms but super super fast, it has after effects aswell, last night after blazing some bud i was tripping almost as hard, the whole room started to shake & i felt that hyperspace blast off creeping in again, i can feel it now just thinking about it, everything vibrates faster & faster then you either detach from your body or go absolutely fucking insane.
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I've never done DMT, and this thread for the most part pushed me away from trying it even more. It seems like there is very little you can take back from the DMT experience other than awe. I think ayauascha may be natures intended form of this drug.
I wouldn't take back the experience, ever, but i wouldn't reccomend it to anyone either
The effect on your psyche is undeniable, after my sober meditation experiences its definitely one of the experiences that has impacted on my mind the most
It totally blows you away
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I didn't go out much yesterday but today everything is SO beautiful, i just went for a bike ride, the water in the canal, the ducks, the trees, the sound of the wind, unbelievable beauty everywhere
Meditation is also very incredible in the afterglow period, which is at 48 hours now & counting...
I know i originally said i was in it for the blast, but this is a serious drug, not to be abused, im still trying to get my head around the immense impact its had on my mind
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You've got the rest of your life to figure out what it did, no need to rush to conclusions. As in, enjoy the afterglow I guess. lol
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thanks for sharing
i experienced this continuous looping of lost identity spiraling inwards through fractal space for 6 hours curled in the fetal position. at first it was like the feeling of losing control, losing identity, thoughts would stop popping up in the head, leaving me wondering "who am i", "where's my mind?!". the though stream slowed till i got sucked in, or broke through into fractal space. DMT is hardcore but imagine being stuck in that loop for 6 straight hours. it was on a huge dose of acid and some very potent indica. the trip lasted a couple days and it took me 2 years to partially recover. im still feeling the effects from it. there's a trip report if you want it.
i liked your report, nice explanation of how it works.
haha yes there was fear of being stuck like that forever aswell, because that infinity loop happens in close proximity to the central point that is infinity, its like it gives the mental illusion of infinity repeating, some phenomena/object repeating & repeating endlessly, when the real infinity is the space it all happens in, total stillness
during that repeating it was almost impossible to ask the question 'who am i?' which im usually quite adept at, when i could ask the question it was so brilliant, as soon as i felt self conscious it was great, but when focus went totally onto whatever phenomena i was seeing & consciousness was lost in the object there was just total ignorance, identity mixed with being stuck as that phenomena, rather than just seeing the phenomena
its incredible, this entire universe is made out of self hypnosis
This was cool to read. I've always felt that psechedelics like mushrooms and ayahuasca bring you so close to infinity that whatever appears in it appears as eternal. First it's a horrible experience but after you are released from identification there's a realization of how silly it was. It's almost like you're being taught to let go.
Like when I was doing ayahuasca and throwing up I thought this is what it's like to die, it's just an unpleasant experience. But then the infinite got mixed with that experience and it became a sort of eternal cyclic loop of suffering, birth and death and birth and death, braaaghhhhhhhh....
Then comes release and the realization that I don't have to do this, I can just stop. Then letting go and embracing the earthy ground of the jungle with the vomit all over it, life is flowing and recycling forms keeps it fresh. let go and allow eternal freshness to emerge from eternal emptiness... ahhh 
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Wow, awesome Trip report! ^^
I really like your take on the DMT experience, and how you see alien encounters and mental imagery as fixations and mental impressions, and not actually as reality. I think I get caught up in that in my trips.
I also loved how you took the repeating infinity as a mental impression as well. Overall, I loved it. 
Thanks for the report!
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Wow, awesome Trip report! ^^
I really like your take on the DMT experience, and how you see alien encounters and mental imagery as fixations and mental impressions, and not actually as reality. I think I get caught up in that in my trips.
The alien form i encountered was as real as me or you (although i also consider me & you mental impressions aswell)
Mental impressions also could be referring to mental impressions from past lives, so still based in some level of reality, not just a figment of human imagination
Ifit was a figment of my human imagination it would have to be something i had seen before in this human life & i certainly have never seen an alien with that form before in this human life i'm living right now, i had no desire to see an alien form either, it was all 'dug out' of me by the DMT
Everything i saw either existed, is existing, or will exist
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How are you certain, the fact the entities can seem so real; unimaginable only makes me less certain about what is real.
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I agree
When i say what i saw was 'real' i mean it was more than just something i personally/humanly imagined
It was something that actually exists or existed, just as much as me/you exist right now
Ultimately we are all unreal & just appearances, so all appearances are equally unreal
So in that sense what i saw was definitely not real, but in the same way this person typing this message is also not real
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According to some, everything that has been imagined exists somewhere.
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I want to try DMT but my root chakra is too fucked up to handle psychedelic drug experiences. I just get too scared.
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I definitely wouldn't recommend it then, i remember when that first dose hit me, maaaan the fear was intense, at times i regained some assemblage of identity & i said to myself 'i am never touching this stuff again!' it was a TOTAL mindfuck, yet when you come down its just incredible looking back on the experience you went through and as insane as it sounds you want to do it again straight away!
I feel DMT in a high dose is more a psychological purge/cleanse than an enjoyable experience
It was like it flushed me clean but when its flushing at first it grips your identity, then when you can let go of identity it was like a powerful energy rushing in & out of my system, like shrooms multiplied by a thousand, kinda like the energy 'breathes' you, breathing in it slows & steadies, then breathing out it rushes back through you, but so intensely, the energy rushes through/out of every channel, i haven't experienced anything as harsh as DMT on my mind/body, overall it was incredible though, the most psychedelic experience possible imo, before this trip i said it takes more guts to trip for 12 hours than 5 minutes, i take that back, DMT takes BALLS.
Im gonna smoke some in a spliff tonight with a friend, i saved a tiny piece, hopefully it goes down okay
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Low dose of shrooms I'm talkin one gram. If psychs scare you then it would be a healthy thing to do imo.
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Yeah low dose of shrooms & meditation =
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gonna do that this weekend
this thread makes me want to extract DMT
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Im doing an extraction myself very soon, it looks fun!
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Im doing an extraction myself very soon, it looks fun!
It is fun, and easy. I find it very enjoyable to go through the process and put your intentions into what you are doing. Plus you know exactly what you are smoking, and the purity level.
I would definately recommend getting a .001g scale, proper measuring makes a world of difference when you ingest this sacrament.
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I just bought a 0.002g jewelry scale
Couldn't find a cheap/reliable 0.001g scale, i figure measuring in 2 milligram steps is light enough...
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Is not the scariest thing to lose awareness? Or at least the conscious aspect of awareness. Your report reminds me of just how much the ego loves to be conscious of awareness. And just how hard it is for the ego to let go of this treat and how quickly it reforms a conscious image after to fill in its absense.
Death may very well take that conscious experience from you and not return it.
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I want to try DMT but my root chakra is too fucked up to handle psychedelic drug experiences. I just get too scared.
dmt should clear that right up
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Is not the scariest thing to lose awareness?
it's losing the sense of self that is scary, awareness still remains after the breakthrough
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Just like after shrooms or lsd, meditating in the days after has been really visual, not something i usually go for but it adds a bit of zest to meditation
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i dunno i still feel like me on dmt, it is salvia that has the terrifying ego loss and twisting of the body, then again i still havent done a high dose of dmt
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Same for me. Salvia is the most weird of all the shit for me.
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the only reason i really like salvia is that it is so uncomfortable and unexplainable i feel like i can handle anything after one of those trips
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One thing i noticed, even thought i hit HUGE bags of DMT vapor that were not good for my lungs, because of the whole mental limits being broken thing, everything ive done since has been stronger, like riding my bike or lifting weights, it's all been much easier to do, i climbed a hill on my bike yesterday easily, when usually leaves me totally breathless. And since the trip i smoked alot of weed with friends & also ate junk food, so i really should not be able to push harder than normal. Definitely feel it was the DMT.
As today i've said a few things about the great after effects, making it sound all lovely & nice, i just want to say again that the trips were NOT enjoyable for the most part
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...able to push harder than normal. Definitely feel it was the DMT.
As today i've said a few things about the great after effects, making it sound all lovely & nice, i just want to say again that the trips were NOT enjoyable for the most part
I've found the increased vitality effect as well.
As for the enjoyability factor...I've smoked probably 100 times, and out of all of those only had 3-4 "bad" journeys. Most of mine have been pure bliss...
Set, setting and propoer dosage are very important with this powerful psychedelic. If you go in without respect for the spice, or overdo it, it will smack you around and teach you a lesson.
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Yeah i def did too much & it smacked me about, i probably deserved a slap
Its good to see you've smoked over 100 times and you can still post on an internet forum, my first high dose i thought i was gonna be insane forever 
I can't wait to try it again, but i'm in no rush (i know that's a contradiction)
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def did too much & smacked me about
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Its cool i deserved it 
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Its good to see you've smoked over 100 times and you can still post on an internet forum, my first high dose i thought i was gonna be insane forever
Same with my first time. Thought I had died and my parents had found me dead on the couch...trick is to get back on that horse and let it take you for a ride...
Most of my smoking was in the first 6 months of introduction to it...now it happens sparingly, but each time is totally different and awe inspiring. It is powerful medicine, and it will let you know when you have learned what you can from it. Respect is very important.
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Im gonna make a very light 'enhanced leaf' mix with vaped cannabis, ill hardly ever use it but i like the idea of having it to hand... if any of my friends want to try it then we'll smoke a j of the enhanced leaf, no way am i ever giving anyone pure crystal, its too potent with potential to be abused.
Im suprised at how many of my friends want to try it, even though i described it as terrifying
Something i've noticed with this stuff, usually in my meditation im just absorbed in space/peace/bliss throughout the day, but after this weekend i keep having external reality shattered, becoming very aware of everything as an illusion, usually maybe once or twice a week if im lucky, but usually once or twice a month ill have the full insight everything im seeing is an illusion, a hypnosis, but the last couple of days i keep seeing it over & over again, like waking up in the morning today im so lucidly aware that everything that's happening, including this typing, this forum, this entire world, is an illusion, its very very cool
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Chronic, you posted this on the "Friend in need" thread about heroin:
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For 2-3 weeks after i could smell it everywhere, even though i didn't enjoy the experience my brain wanted more
I could see from that how ridiculously addictive the stuff is, even if you don't enjoy it you want more
Sounds a lot like DMT.
Also could you please elaborate on the illusion bit? Do you think you're seeing through the concepts your mind has built up in the past about reality (seeing those as illusion) or do you mean something else?
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Yeah but i couldn't see DMT being addictive lol, well i could, but not for very long
If i was totally ignorant about meditation & reality then i could see DMT as being addictive, trying to get that bliss, i once did shrooms every week for a couple months...
Then again its a psychedelic, it takes a 'special' kinda person to actually get hooked on psychedelics considering their anti-addictive self reflective aspects
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Also could you please elaborate on the illusion bit? Do you think you're seeing through the concepts your mind has built up in the past about reality (seeing those as illusion)
Yeah i would describe it as seeing through mind, that all this is a product of the cosmic mind, the trees, the sky, the earth, me, you, its all stuff swirling around in the mind of an eternal being that is so immensely 'present' in everything its just mind blowingly ridiculous
Before i'd be seeing a lot that my own personal mind is an illusion, dealing with MY identity, MY world is an illusion, but now its like its extended to the world & everything around it & in it
Its all just a grand hypnosis, but not to say its all unimportant & say that girl jivjan knows is just an illusion, she doesn't really matter as she's just a product of cosmic hypnosis, no, not at all, because waking up from the hypnosis is a great experience & seeing the hypnosis there's a natural compassionate movement towards showing others in the hypnosis, that it's all hypnosis.
Hypnosis is the very base of addictive behaviour because its all the illusion that bliss, wholeness, completion, is found in something other than my sense of self
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Thanks
It's all impermenant, selfless, and unsatisfactory, in the words of the Buddha. Yet all-present. Quite the hypnosis to believe the opposite
And yeah, I didn't mean the addictive part being like DMT - but the smell/taste sticking with you for weeks and coming up seemingly randomly, and the want to go back to that state even though its a big ride and isn't always enjoyable, especially the first few times
I've also done shrooms weekly for consectutive months in the past but I wouldnt say it was addiction, it was neccessary at the time and there was no trouble in not doing them when I didn't need to, because I didn't really want to. Would be different for other people of course, but agreed it would be hard if not impossible to get an addiction to psychedelics on par with heroin or coke etc.
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so what does the DMT trip teach you? i'm tend to do drugs that i dont enjoy, over and over again untill i enjoy some aspect of them.
is the trip worth the effort of making this substance? i know its not that hard to make, was just wondering if people regret it or think its worth it.
are the two variants very different? i know that a frog has some of it in its poisions and ive thought of raising a few so i'd have the chemical on hand kinda whenever, but then i read it wasnt that visual at all, just ego loss.
i kinda search for the visuals
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dmt can't teach you anything you don't already know. in fact, it's more likely to take everything you believe in, and show you the reality of the complete opposite
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Edited by Envix (10/14/10 06:27 PM)
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Re: DMT [Re: Envix]
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but isn't that teaching you something?
that all you believe is an illusion
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the disillusionment happens gradually over months and months after taking the dmt.
for me the dmt "experience" was kinda like my entire life summed up. like basically the realization that this "moment" is the pinnacle of my entire life. and it will always be.
it showed me this in a very profound way.
it put me in a dream world. as in, the surrounding environment in front of me became very "dreamlike". as if i were in a dream, but more real than reality. everything was wavvy and everything was in 3-dimensional "layers". and the fps of the "manifold" was like a million frames per second. as in, i could see ever individual flap of a flies wings and slow it down and shit. see every single bit of mechanical workings of every single cell in my hand when i wiggled my fingers and clenched my fist.
oh and the whole meaning of life thing that you can only understand fully in that state
but what i realized slowly after taking it was i began to have no opinion in anything. like i just don't know what to believe anymore. cuz reality can be so many different thangs all at once.
also synchronicities out of every corner, i just take it as what it is whatever. i had just gotten an old record player and was fiddling around with it, doin' a whole bunch of stuff i shouldn't be doin' like playin the record backwards and slowin it down and fuckin' up the needle n shit. and just like 3 minutes later i wuz listenin to the latest joe rogan podcast thang and he was just talking about how he was fascinated by how records work and remembers playing with a record player and fucking aroun with it by playing records backwards and fucking up the needel and shit and i wuz just like whatever, synchronicities every where man
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