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 Can psychedelics help us to see through propaganda?
#13258126 - 09/28/10 07:57 AM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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(first off is this the correct thread for this question. What do you think?):
I am planning on doing a blog about this subject, and thought I would ask at various forums dedicated to psychedelics and experience about this to deepen the research:
I am going to think of 4 significant set and settings for psychedelic experience. IF you can think of any others please don't hesitate to let me know:
1) when you take psychedelics and are in nature, and have eyes mostly open and look at and feel the wonders of nature. Look into a river and see the amazingess of water and light on water, and life in water. Look at a tree, animals, birds, the wind (I have actually seen the wind swirling )
2) A more introspective kind of tripping favoured by the therapeutic community--especially Stan Grof which is based on the psychoanalytical model of looking within, and expericning fears, desires, past memories--and this can involve feeling you are becoming others, and groups, and animals, and nature and even the universe.
This form of psychedelic experience is ancient as well of course, and was called 'Incubation', where the experiencer would take the psychedelic in a cave in total darkness, etc. This contrasted with the 'Field' mode of experience which would be more ritualistic --dancing , and orgiastic in a communal set and setting.
3) Observing people who aren't tripping, and looking at mass media in a way of seeing through social personas and propaganda
Now it is the 3rd one I am interested in talking about. Are any of you familiar with doing this?
See, many sciency types will tell us that when we look at 'reality' we are seeing 'it' in a 'distorted' way---implying that there is a generalized normal rational way of being and seeing. Do you agree with that, and if so why?
But do any of you have the experience of getting insights from seeing through propaganda. If so please let me know and I might include it in my blog.
It could involve being aware of body language---of really being aware of lying eyes, etc etc etc. Whatever please share. I see this as a really important subject.
I see propaganda as a form of magic where spells are put on people, on MASSES of people--and they don't know it's even been done to them.
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Re: Can psychedelics help us to see through propaganda? [Re: zzripz]
#13258181 - 09/28/10 08:11 AM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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psychedelics can aid in autonomy of thought. they can do just the opposite too.
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Re: Can psychedelics help us to see through propaganda? [Re: wellage]
#13262838 - 09/29/10 02:05 AM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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come on psychedelic-experienced people--this question deserved MILES fukin better than this effort (no offense to the only person replying so far)---if those of you think it is sooo ("yawn") boring, then please tell me where on this shroomery forum its been asked before and i will humbly go and check it out, or them out.
Or please tell me WHY you think this question is boring you and not worth tapping your fingers?
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Re: Can psychedelics help us to see through propaganda? [Re: zzripz]
#13263549 - 09/29/10 08:13 AM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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Yes, I think they can. For better or for worse, whatever framework of reality you've been conditioned to believe in through institutional means, is significantly disrupted in one way or another.
Have you ever watched the news on LSD? It's one of the silliest things ever.
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Re: Can psychedelics help us to see through propaganda? [Re: Grav]
#13263580 - 09/29/10 08:18 AM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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There is no special wisdom to be found in psychedelic drug use. Or any other drug use, for that matter. I have often been astounded by the banality of the supposedly profound revelations that have been attributed to some drug experience. It's crap. Trip for fun then go home.
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Re: Can psychedelics help us to see through propaganda? [Re: zappaisgod]
#13263672 - 09/29/10 08:34 AM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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It's a temporary experience. Of course the revelations will seem silly after the drugs are out of your system.
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Re: Can psychedelics help us to see through propaganda? [Re: zzripz]
#13263784 - 09/29/10 09:03 AM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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Sure. It helps you reconsider the parts of your thinking that are so firmly ingrained that you don't usually acknowledge them, much less question them.
For example: does money really make any goddamn sense at all?
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Re: Can psychedelics help us to see through propaganda? [Re: Grav]
#13263795 - 09/29/10 09:05 AM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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What profound things do people who don't trip realize??
Is it not worth just as much to have that feeling?
If we all made changes towards the banal idiosyncrasies we hold then at least that would be progress towards a profound Revelation.
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Re: Can psychedelics help us to see through propaganda? [Re: zzripz] 2
#13263812 - 09/29/10 09:08 AM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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Psychedelics can open your mind to new forms of propaganda.
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Re: Can psychedelics help us to see through propaganda? [Re: DieCommie]
#13263875 - 09/29/10 09:17 AM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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I think that if you simply consider a typical day, and how much of your daily routine you perform without really thinking about it, you'll want to change your life at least a little bit.
Once I had a ridiculously menial retail job, literally just stacking boxes, and during my first-ever mushroom trip it occurred to me that I was doing a robot's job and I was sick of it and there was no reason to accept it. So, I told my boss that I wanted to do more stuff, and suddenly... I did.
Not like I got a raise or something, this was just a bullshit summer job, but I felt like I'd snapped out of some mental holding pattern. (Was just getting over a bad depressive episode.) Previously I'd felt lucky to have the job, then I felt like they were lucky to have me.
It's kinda like breaking a spell. The propaganda, so to speak, was my own: an insecurity rooted in academic struggles and a bad breakup.
Anyway, my life really has been a lot better since that day in a number of ways. Your mileage may vary...
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Re: Can psychedelics help us to see through propaganda? (moved) [Re: zzripz]
#13263897 - 09/29/10 09:22 AM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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 This thread was moved from Political Discussion.
Reason:
more suited to PSP
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Re: Can psychedelics help us to see through propaganda? [Re: DieCommie]
#13263966 - 09/29/10 09:35 AM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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Psychedelics can open your mind to new forms of propaganda.
for ssure!!
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Re: Can psychedelics help us to see through propaganda? (moved) [Re: Prisoner#1]
#13264016 - 09/29/10 09:46 AM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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Re: Can psychedelics help us to see through propaganda? [Re: zappaisgod]
#13264030 - 09/29/10 09:50 AM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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There is no special wisdom to be found in psychedelic drug use. Or any other drug use, for that matter. I have often been astounded by the banality of the supposedly profound revelations that have been attributed to some drug experience. It's crap. Trip for fun then go home.
I'm pretty sure that would depend on the individual. If it's true for you that it's all just for fun that's cool. For some others it may herald a change in world view.
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Re: Can psychedelics help us to see through propaganda? [Re: Icelander]
#13264150 - 09/29/10 10:18 AM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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Before psychedelics I needed an alcohol fix.
After psychedelics I needed a psychedelic fix.
Before psychedelics I wore a shirt & tie and crew cut.
After psychedelics I wore tie-dye, sandals and dreads.
Before psychedelics I believed in Jesus.
After psychedelics I believed in elves.
How far should I go with this?
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Re: Can psychedelics help us to see through propaganda? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#13264157 - 09/29/10 10:21 AM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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how often does that actually happen?
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Re: Can psychedelics help us to see through propaganda? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#13264280 - 09/29/10 10:48 AM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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Before psychedelics I needed an alcohol fix.
After psychedelics I needed a psychedelic fix.
Before psychedelics I wore a shirt & tie and crew cut.
After psychedelics I wore tie-dye, sandals and dreads.
Before psychedelics I believed in Jesus.
After psychedelics I believed in elves.
How far should I go with this?
As far as you need to same as Zapa.
I myself had a different experience with psychedelics. Thankfully.
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Re: Can psychedelics help us to see through propaganda? [Re: Icelander]
#13265401 - 09/29/10 02:16 PM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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My very first trip. I was only 15, and the guy who offered me HALF of a tint tiny blue tablet (LSD was in tablet form then in London mostly), I naively thought it was a 'bluey'--which was slang for speed, and there was a lot in the media news about that. So I took it. But it was powerful LSD!
To get to the point. The central insight I got whilst I was giggling like a crazed fool observing people at a party (they weren't tripping but most likely were stoned) I directly saw their BODY LANGUAGE. And I saw how their body language gave me insight into what they were like behind the social image they were trying to show, and this was so funny to observe i nearly died laughin though i got a few hostile looks of course
So, 1) Body language.
IF someone says that psychedelics 'distort' reality (I recently was in a discussion with these sciency types and one guy who claims to have had plenty of psychedelic experience said "psychedelics fuck with our perception"), then do they mean that eg body language you see is distortion? How could they prove that?
I mean don't psychologists study body language so as to see it? Is there not a deeper direct way of experiencing it--as on psychedelics?
And this would include eyes of course. Ie., aren't psychedelics allowing us to experience what is usually UN-conscious?
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Re: Can psychedelics help us to see through propaganda? [Re: zzripz]
#13265621 - 09/29/10 02:51 PM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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I'd say marijuana helps with my ability to see through bullshit in life and become more self-aware and critical, but in a non-debilitating or depressive way.
Otherwise, I wouldn't say that acid or mushrooms have ever helped me seek messages in my daily routine, though it does make me analyze shit, to a fault even, on some occasions, otherwise I'm too busy trippin' and laughing to care about propaganda, but as zzrip said, acid will help rip through the bullshit barrier people front verbally and given up what's being displayed physically.
In terms of any inward analytical focuses, I'm just not that involved with the outside world when I do drop something, so I can't really judge what I feel based on what I see, cause my house is the most comfortable and propaganda free place I know...
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Re: Can psychedelics help us to see through propaganda? [Re: Icelander]
#13266045 - 09/29/10 04:26 PM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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There is no special wisdom to be found in psychedelic drug use. Or any other drug use, for that matter. I have often been astounded by the banality of the supposedly profound revelations that have been attributed to some drug experience. It's crap. Trip for fun then go home.
I'm pretty sure that would depend on the individual. If it's true for you that it's all just for fun that's cool. For some others it may herald a change in world view.
^ Indeed, almost sounds like he's been missing out
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Re: Can psychedelics help us to see through propaganda? [Re: skippyluvs]
#13266258 - 09/29/10 05:13 PM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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How would you know if it sucks to be him. Maybe it sucks a whole lot more to be you.
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 Re: Can psychedelics help us to see through propaganda? [Re: zzripz]
#13266808 - 09/29/10 07:10 PM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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Can psychedelics help us to see through propaganda?
I'd say NO.
Take a look at the thread in my signature block and see how many psychoNOTs behave like the good little sheeple that the war on drugs' propaganda and misinformation system has made them into.
They'd have the government lock me in a cage because I choose a different chemical than they do.
So much for psychedelic enlightenment. 
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Re: Can psychedelics help us to see through propaganda? [Re: Icelander]
#13266904 - 09/29/10 07:33 PM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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How would you know if it sucks to be him. Maybe it sucks a whole lot more to be you.
Read more carefully, there was a question mark at the end of my sentence.
Maybe it sucks to be you? Always talking about death anxiety and all (snicker) (snicker) (sarcasm)
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Re: Can psychedelics help us to see through propaganda? [Re: skippyluvs]
#13267354 - 09/29/10 09:08 PM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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Sorry, missed the question mark.
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Re: Can psychedelics help us to see through propaganda? [Re: Diploid]
#13267364 - 09/29/10 09:10 PM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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Can psychedelics help us to see through propaganda?
I'd say NO.
Take a look at the thread in my signature block and see how many psychoNOTs behave like the good little sheeple that the war on drugs' propaganda and misinformation system has made them into.
They'd have the government lock me in a cage because I choose a different chemical than they do.
So much for psychedelic enlightenment.
While that may be true it's not, imo , true for all of us. Psychedelics have opened my eyes to some things I might have missed had I not used them. Doesn't mean however that I'm enlightened. Just a little less gullible.
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"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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Re: Can psychedelics help us to see through propaganda? [Re: Icelander]
#13267538 - 09/29/10 09:59 PM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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I'd say yes even though I started seeing through the illusion before I had seriously contemplated it while shrooming.
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Re: Can psychedelics help us to see through propaganda? [Re: Carpentron]
#13267672 - 09/29/10 10:24 PM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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I mean yeah it helps you to see through propaganda. If there's one thing psychedelics do it is dissolve boundaries. If you ever have one of those "all is one" moments while tripping, or in daily life for that matter, then you know that all of those campaigns and slogans and cultural memes that exist to divide us are nothing but fallacy perpetuated on a grand scale.
So in that sense yes I do think they can help you see through propaganda. Does that mean that everyone who takes them will have this experience and see through a lot of the bullshit? No, but some people will,and even for those that don't psychedelics are still a lot of fun.
I think if you go into the experience searching and seeking that you will find something. Seek and ye shall find. If you don't seek how can you expect to find anything?
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Re: Can psychedelics help us to see through propaganda? [Re: zzripz]
#13267711 - 09/29/10 10:30 PM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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think about it logically.
'propaganda' is aimed at a particular group of people. people that is who when viewing the propaganda have more or less similar brain functions.
'psychedelics' physiologically alters your brains functioning.
therefore when viewing 'propaganda' with a different 'brain function' inevitably you will see it (if not through it) from a different perspective and in a different light.
i watched a movie last night when i was baked and found it intolerable because of the bad acting and cliched melodrama. in waking life i never notice acting and am not usually so critical, but from just being baked i had a new perspective.
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Re: Can psychedelics help us to see through propaganda? [Re: Diploid]
#13267834 - 09/29/10 11:03 PM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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Dear Diploid,
I read your poll and your method of misinformation is no less clever than that used by the media. You've designed a poll to give you the results desired to create shock value media. This is no different than Murdoch and the Friends of Fox.
That being said, I can respect your uncompromising stance regarding civil liberties, privacy, and self choice. However, you've attempted to answer one question with the answer of a completely different question. This is no different than the "spin" used in Reilly's "no-spin zone".
Personally, i believe psychedelics allow us to see things as they are or as they should be. This may result in a more critical eye or a deeper insight depending on how you internalize the experience. For many, it only takes a few enlightened trips to get to the point where they can't not see the propaganda everywhere.
Again, I agree with the point you essentially care to expound, but its at the expense of a very targeted question that is not germane to your poll.
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Re: Can psychedelics help us to see through propaganda? [Re: pdizzel]
#13268629 - 09/30/10 05:51 AM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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No, I asked a simple question and I asked people to give the answer they MOST agree with (or abstain if they can't).
It's perfectly fair.
Oh, and I don't have a TV so I don't know that reference.
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Re: Can psychedelics help us to see through propaganda? [Re: pdizzel]
#13268671 - 09/30/10 06:14 AM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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Fail Nice try, are you a puppet?
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Re: Can psychedelics help us to see through propaganda? [Re: Icelander]
#13268809 - 09/30/10 07:06 AM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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What is with the lame wet blankets in this thread?
Some people have had great experiences on psychedelics. Sorry to hear that you haven't, but... deal with it.
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Re: Can psychedelics help us to see through propaganda? [Re: Diploid]
#13272401 - 09/30/10 07:57 PM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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Hey Bro,
I just thought it might be worthwhile to try and intellectualize the discussion in accord with the spirit and intent in which the original question was posted.
You seem angry. Your sig block referencing how "one out of four Shrommerites wants to lock you in a government cage" probally does wonders for your esteem.
Your optimism must really draw people inwards. I bet peeps love to trip with you; no buzzkills, no coming down, nuttin but positive vibes from da Diploid...
Kill the sig block bro and free yourself from the cage. You're right. It is depressing.
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Re: Can psychedelics help us to see through propaganda? [Re: pdizzel]
#13272419 - 09/30/10 08:02 PM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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Go away until you learn that personalisms aren't what this forum is about.
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Re: Can psychedelics help us to see through propaganda? [Re: pdizzel]
#13272472 - 09/30/10 08:19 PM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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Hey bro, how about debating the topic and drop the personal drivel? It's against the rules in this forum. Read them before you post again.
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Re: Can psychedelics help us to see through propaganda? [Re: Diploid]
#13274764 - 10/01/10 10:21 AM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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This thread breeds ignorance. 
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Re: Can psychedelics help us to see through propaganda? [Re: Diploid]
#13274825 - 10/01/10 10:34 AM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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They'd have the government lock me in a cage because I choose a different chemical than they do.
Because the chemical you use is pure evil. 
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Re: Can psychedelics help us to see through propaganda? [Re: Diploid]
#13274937 - 10/01/10 11:01 AM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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Oh, and I don't have a TV so I don't know that reference.
Then how do you know that was a reference to a TV program? He never said it was from a TV program, all he said was "This is no different than the "spin" used in Reilly's "no-spin zone"."... 
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Re: Can psychedelics help us to see through propaganda? [Re: zzripz]
#13278055 - 10/02/10 12:12 AM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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Can psychedelics help us to see through propaganda?
A cursory glance at the Conspiracy forum tells me no.
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Re: Can psychedelics help us to see through propaganda? [Re: Silversoul]
#13278190 - 10/02/10 01:19 AM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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Can psychedelics help us to see through propaganda?
A cursory glance at the Conspiracy forum tells me no.
How do you mean Silversoul? That is very interesting---Dont know if I agree, but could you list or summarize some of the conspiracy beliefs you have seen which make you think psychedelic experience doesn't help SOME people see through propaganda? Are you claiming they become paranoid and believe any old shit? for example
Like I said, I am not 'agreeing' with you, because I dont know yet what exactly your referring to?
I know this. David Icke claims to have had psychedelic experience with Ayahuasca, and claims to have heard this female voice that told him '3D reality' was a phony illusion conjured up by entities who are in cahoots with the rich--in order to fool and enslave us. Now all that to me sounds deeply paranoid, and its myth makes others who believe it paranoid because they will distrust nature and their own bodies. Propaganda.
However, in accordance to what I originally asked, HIS experience was more internal--he wasn't observing the mass media for example, or 'gurus like himself  ; but I'm just pointing it out because of his claiming psychedelics 'opened his eyes' and he saw 'all is love'.
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Re: Can psychedelics help us to see through propaganda? [Re: zzripz]
#13278348 - 10/02/10 02:59 AM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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I definitely feel like shrooms open my mind up to something new. Its like seeing the world in a different way. I cant really explain it but I do know after having a trip feel great, like I just got back from a vacation and left all my troubles somewhere else. When I'm off of them I'm motivated, and ready to do something much more with my life.
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Re: Can psychedelics help us to see through propaganda? [Re: Deej3987]
#13278940 - 10/02/10 08:31 AM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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just got back from a vacation and left all my troubles somewhere else
And just who is it that has to clean up that mess? 
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Re: Can psychedelics help us to see through propaganda? [Re: zzripz]
#13279322 - 10/02/10 10:31 AM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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What David Icke experienced may have been genuine, though that doesn't necessarily validate the conclusions he's drawn from it. The fact that there are so many David Icke and Alex Jones drones in this community tells me that they're simply prone towards believing a different kind of propaganda. The establishment isn't the only side that has propaganda, you know.
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Re: Can psychedelics help us to see through propaganda? [Re: Silversoul]
#13279509 - 10/02/10 11:20 AM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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psychedelics seem to allow for a "deconditioned" mindstate -- in other words, one hour into a shroom trip, you simply are no longer holding yourself to the assumptions that usually guide your life
this can be taken to an extreme, ie, "who says i can't fly? that's just an assumption!" -- wheee, splat
but taken slightly less far, one can look at their own behavior and the behavior of others, and instead of sticking with basic assumptions like "profit motive is necessary for prosperity," you allow yourself to consider different points of view
so in that example, you say "well, that's what i've been assuming, but let's see if i can think of anything different" -- and the person is off into their own musings
whether or not they come to any valid conclusions is a matter of their individual intelligence, but psychedelics can definitely take you to that point of considering alternatives
and generally, once someone is considering alternatives to social patterning and personal behavior, they may become curious about where their assumptions originally came from
sometimes it comes from parents, sometimes it comes from early life experiences ... and sometimes it comes from propaganda
so i would say yes, psychedelics can play a significant role in helping people "see through" propaganda
but it is only as a result of their general properties -- there is no specific relationship between psychedelics and propaganda
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Re: Can psychedelics help us to see through propaganda? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#13285382 - 10/03/10 04:35 PM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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The mess gets left in the trash haha!
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Re: Can psychedelics help us to see through propaganda? [Re: laserpig]
#13290896 - 10/04/10 08:31 PM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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laserpig said:
psychedelics seem to allow for a "deconditioned" mindstate -- in other words, one hour into a shroom trip, you simply are no longer holding yourself to the assumptions that usually guide your life
this can be taken to an extreme, ie, "who says i can't fly? that's just an assumption!" -- wheee, splat
but taken slightly less far, one can look at their own behavior and the behavior of others, and instead of sticking with basic assumptions like "profit motive is necessary for prosperity," you allow yourself to consider different points of view
so in that example, you say "well, that's what i've been assuming, but let's see if i can think of anything different" -- and the person is off into their own musings
whether or not they come to any valid conclusions is a matter of their individual intelligence, but psychedelics can definitely take you to that point of considering alternatives
and generally, once someone is considering alternatives to social patterning and personal behavior, they may become curious about where their assumptions originally came from
sometimes it comes from parents, sometimes it comes from early life experiences ... and sometimes it comes from propaganda
so i would say yes, psychedelics can play a significant role in helping people "see through" propaganda
but it is only as a result of their general properties -- there is no specific relationship between psychedelics and propaganda
ok that's 100%
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Re: Can psychedelics help us to see through propaganda? [Re: imachavel]
#13297297 - 10/06/10 03:40 AM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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Now the questions comes--what do we do when we SEE through propaganda?
so say you see through the war propaganda. You don't join up to fight do you?
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Re: Can psychedelics help us to see through propaganda? [Re: zzripz]
#13299395 - 10/06/10 02:39 PM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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Honestly psychedelics haven't taught me much. All they have done are help me realize how beautiful the world is and how confidence plays such a key role with the ladies (that last one only if you consider mdma a psychedelic). Almost all of my revelations have been made sober and when I am on psychedelics it seems to just solidify the revelations I have had.
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