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Re: Can psychedelics help us to see through propaganda? [Re: zzripz]
    #13278348 - 10/02/10 02:59 AM (1 year, 7 months ago)

I definitely feel like shrooms open my mind up to something new. Its like seeing the world in a different way. I cant really explain it but I do know after having a trip feel great, like I just got back from a vacation and left all my troubles somewhere else. When I'm off of them I'm motivated, and ready to do something much more with my life.


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Re: Can psychedelics help us to see through propaganda? [Re: Deej3987]
    #13278940 - 10/02/10 08:31 AM (1 year, 7 months ago)

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just got back from a vacation and left all my troubles somewhere else




And just who is it that has to clean up that mess? :crankey:


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Re: Can psychedelics help us to see through propaganda? [Re: zzripz]
    #13279322 - 10/02/10 10:31 AM (1 year, 7 months ago)

What David Icke experienced may have been genuine, though that doesn't necessarily validate the conclusions he's drawn from it.  The fact that there are so many David Icke and Alex Jones drones in this community tells me that they're simply prone towards believing a different kind of propaganda.  The establishment isn't the only side that has propaganda, you know.


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Re: Can psychedelics help us to see through propaganda? [Re: Silversoul]
    #13279509 - 10/02/10 11:20 AM (1 year, 7 months ago)

psychedelics seem to allow for a "deconditioned" mindstate -- in other words, one hour into a shroom trip, you simply are no longer holding yourself to the assumptions that usually guide your life
this can be taken to an extreme, ie, "who says i can't fly? that's just an assumption!" -- wheee, splat

but taken slightly less far, one can look at their own behavior and the behavior of others, and instead of sticking with basic assumptions like "profit motive is necessary for prosperity," you allow yourself to consider different points of view
so in that example, you say "well, that's what i've been assuming, but let's see if i can think of anything different" -- and the person is off into their own musings
whether or not they come to any valid conclusions is a matter of their individual intelligence, but psychedelics can definitely take you to that point of considering alternatives

and generally, once someone is considering alternatives to social patterning and personal behavior, they may become curious about where their assumptions originally came from
sometimes it comes from parents, sometimes it comes from early life experiences ... and sometimes it comes from propaganda

so i would say yes, psychedelics can play a significant role in helping people "see through" propaganda
but it is only as a result of their general properties -- there is no specific relationship between psychedelics and propaganda


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Re: Can psychedelics help us to see through propaganda? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #13285382 - 10/03/10 04:35 PM (1 year, 7 months ago)

The mess gets left in the trash haha!


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Re: Can psychedelics help us to see through propaganda? [Re: laserpig]
    #13290896 - 10/04/10 08:31 PM (1 year, 7 months ago)

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laserpig said:
psychedelics seem to allow for a "deconditioned" mindstate -- in other words, one hour into a shroom trip, you simply are no longer holding yourself to the assumptions that usually guide your life
this can be taken to an extreme, ie, "who says i can't fly? that's just an assumption!" -- wheee, splat

but taken slightly less far, one can look at their own behavior and the behavior of others, and instead of sticking with basic assumptions like "profit motive is necessary for prosperity," you allow yourself to consider different points of view
so in that example, you say "well, that's what i've been assuming, but let's see if i can think of anything different" -- and the person is off into their own musings
whether or not they come to any valid conclusions is a matter of their individual intelligence, but psychedelics can definitely take you to that point of considering alternatives

and generally, once someone is considering alternatives to social patterning and personal behavior, they may become curious about where their assumptions originally came from
sometimes it comes from parents, sometimes it comes from early life experiences ... and sometimes it comes from propaganda

so i would say yes, psychedelics can play a significant role in helping people "see through" propaganda
but it is only as a result of their general properties -- there is no specific relationship between psychedelics and propaganda




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Re: Can psychedelics help us to see through propaganda? [Re: imachavel]
    #13297297 - 10/06/10 03:40 AM (1 year, 7 months ago)

Now the questions comes--what do we do when we SEE through propaganda?

so say you see through the war propaganda. You don't join up to fight do you?


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Re: Can psychedelics help us to see through propaganda? [Re: zzripz]
    #13299395 - 10/06/10 02:39 PM (1 year, 7 months ago)

Honestly psychedelics haven't taught me much. All they have done are help me realize how beautiful the world is and how confidence plays such a key role with the ladies (that last one only if you consider mdma a psychedelic). Almost all of my revelations have been made sober and when I am on psychedelics it seems to just solidify the revelations I have had.


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