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 Wireless router help? 
#13252348 - 09/27/10 06:32 AM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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I have random people connecting to my network and I understand that I need to enable WPA in order to keep my network secure from any unsuspecting intruders, such as my asshole leeching neighbor.
I have two other computers in the household that use my network, I don't want to kick them off.. So, how do I go about securing my network so only the computers in the household have access?
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Belkin Router
Webstar modem
PC not a mac
Vista OS
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pretty sure this is what you want, set up your network, give the passkey/password to the other comps in the house
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lucas_southoz said:
pretty sure this is what you want, set up your network, give the passkey/password to the other comps in the house
Okay that's what I thought, only one thing though...
Will a screen automatically prompt up asking them for the password or do you have to enter it manually somewheres? I'm not sure how this process works.
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The other option is to filter your traffic by mac address. So that only those with allowed machines may access your network.
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Re: Wireless router help? [Re: ckbhack]
#13252376 - 09/27/10 07:10 AM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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umm when you go to connect to the network, it will come up with a screen saying enter password or something similiar
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> Will a screen automatically prompt up asking them for the password or do you have to enter it manually somewheres?
Depends upon the OS. Generally, you will be prompted to enter the password the first time you connect to the network. After that, the OS will remember it.
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Re: Wireless router help? [Re: Seuss]
#13252460 - 09/27/10 08:29 AM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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Awesome 
Thanks for the help guys, I appreciate it.
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Mac address filtering is the most secure.
You can also hide your wireless by not broadcasting its SSID.
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Re: Wireless router help? [Re: Fleadh]
#13255800 - 09/27/10 09:51 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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> Mac address filtering is the most secure.
Mac address filtering is absolutely worthless. Zero security against somebody that wants on your network. Non-broadcast SSIDs is worse than worthless if you have a laptop and pointless even if you don't. Both will help protect you against grandma next door, but neither will do any good at stopping even your common script kiddie...
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/ou/wireless-lan-security-myths-that-wont-die/454
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Awesome
Thanks for the help guys, I appreciate it.
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I had nothing to add, but those are some nice titties! 
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Re: Wireless router help? [Re: ToiletDuk]
#13256900 - 09/28/10 01:21 AM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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yes, yes they are. thanks op
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ok since no one has said this, and the op asked, he wants to know how to access his router to enter a password, you do that by entering your default gateway. it might start with 192.168
anyway to get your default gateway go to cmd and enter ipconfig/all, then look for your default gateway as I said it might start with 192.168 and if it doesn't it should still end with .254
then open internet explorer and add http://+ your default gateway
so for example you might add http://192.168.0.254 but it will probably be 1 on the third octet unless you changed it
i don't know about mac filtering, that will be most secure aside from encryption protocol, it might slow things down also but yeah I hate the neighbors using their wireless cell phones and connecting to your modem
i've heard with comcast you can hack free internet by debricking your modem but if someone has debricked their modem on your same node it won't work or some crap. hope this helped
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Re: Wireless router help? [Re: Seuss]
#13257428 - 09/28/10 04:19 AM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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Seuss said:
> Mac address filtering is the most secure.
Mac address filtering is absolutely worthless. Zero security against somebody that wants on your network. Non-broadcast SSIDs is worse than worthless if you have a laptop and pointless even if you don't. Both will help protect you against grandma next door, but neither will do any good at stopping even your common script kiddie...
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/ou/wireless-lan-security-myths-that-wont-die/454
cmon dude who is going to go through that trouble to hack onto your modem if your not some lucrative business? i mean what are they going to get free internet? "yeah i think i'll hack every house modem on my block to try and gain access to their computer and get their credit card"
this sounds like social engineering it'd be simpler to just knock on the door and ask "can I use your pc?" and then just enable telnet and try and upload their browsing record or something.
this is all more complex than just hacking a modem, maybe for a business you'd go through the trouble but for a house user? I don't even understand how those virus steal your credit card information unless you buy something on the internet every week paying your bills is usually encrypted. of course you can break that.
oh well whatever some people do go through the trouble, and some people have stolen a lot of money. I've never met a geek of that fortitude before. but I've heard stories and I know it happens.
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Re: Wireless router help? [Re: imachavel]
#13257646 - 09/28/10 07:12 AM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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> then look for your default gateway as I said it might start with 192.168 and if it doesn't it should still end with .254
There is no "standard" IP that a gateway ends with. The "it should still end with .254" is an incorrect assertion. More often than not, unless subnetted, the default gateway will end in .1, but this is tradition rather than rule.
> cmon dude who is going to go through that trouble to hack onto your modem ... i mean what are they going to get free internet?
You just answered your own question. Free, untraceable internet. If I'm going to do something illegal over the internet, I would much rather it trace back to you than to me. However, my reply was to help stop the spread of misinformation. The myths that static IP addresses, MAC filtering, or not broadcasting SSIDs is somehow going to protect you continue to persist. None of these help, at all, and turning of SSID broadcasting can actually make it worse rather than better. Simply set a strong WPA password (not a simple word from the dictionary) and forget about this other stuff.
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Re: Wireless router help? [Re: Seuss]
#13257671 - 09/28/10 07:44 AM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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WEP is also easily breakable using tools downloaded fromo the interwebs. Its just a matter of making the would be intruder work for their free access.
Hiding your SSID and locking down the Mac addresses are the wifi equilivent of having a house alarm, of course someone hellbent on accessing your network can do so if they have the skills and determination to do so but such measures make them look elsewhere for easier targets.
A strong WEP key combined with Hidden SSID and locked to your known mac addeses is basically as safe as your gonna get and is more then your average office uses which is usually just a easily remembered wep key and nothing more.
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Re: Wireless router help? [Re: Fleadh]
#13258152 - 09/28/10 11:03 AM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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> Hiding your SSID and locking down the Mac addresses are the wifi equilivent of having a house alarm
It is the wifi equivalent of closing your door and pretending that you are safe. I can spoof a MAC address with ease. It does absolutely nothing to protect you any more than closing your door protects your house while you are gone.
Hiding your SSID does nothing at all. I can still find your SSID by listening for broadcast packets.
You are selling snake oil. You really need to read up on the impotence of the security measures you are selling, as they are worthless. As I said before, a strong WPA key is the way to go. (Not a WEP key, those are no more secure that MAC filtering, static IP addresses, or hidden SSIDs).
http://www.grc.com/sn/sn-011.pdf:
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And you can no longer live in a fool's paradise, thinking that you're secure because you've got WEP or MAC address filtering or SSID hiding. None of those do anything at all.
http://www.maxi-pedia.com/how+to+break+MAC+filtering
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Many people still use MAC filtering or MAC addressing as a security measure for their wireless networks, but the sad truth is that MAC filtering is very easy to break; it might even be the easiest security measure to break.
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MAC filtering is very easy to break for one major reason. If you look at the network traffic (use for example tcpdump or ngrep in Linux), you can see that MAC addresses do not get encrypted when traveling over the air between your laptop and your wireless access point.
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You cannot change the MAC address that is burned into your network card, but you can tell your operating system to change information about your MAC address in every data packet it sends out to the network. So, in effect, MAC spoofing is sort of a MAC faking.
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Re: Wireless router help? [Re: Seuss]
#13258225 - 09/28/10 11:23 AM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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You are correct angry short tech man but you've perhaps watched 'hackers' to many times. The vast vast majority of people stealing your interwebs are doing so because you are broadcasting an unsecured access point and its a crime of opportunity and nothing more.
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Re: Wireless router help? [Re: Fleadh]
#13258924 - 09/28/10 02:21 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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> You are correct angry short tech man but you've perhaps watched 'hackers' to many times.
Awww... that is the best you could come up with?
> The vast vast majority of people stealing
The vast vast majority of people walking by your house with the unlocked door wont bother stealing your stuff. I don't care about the vast vast majority. I care about security. I'm going to lock my door, not just close it and hope for the best. I'm also not going to tell people that closing their door is the best security out there. You were wrong. Learn from your mistake.
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Re: Wireless router help? [Re: Seuss]
#13261219 - 09/28/10 09:46 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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you guys having a nice conversation?
suess, not everyone is going to hack your wireless, but good point.
what i want to know if how you have a default gateway that doesn't end with 254 or 256 or whatever max hosts or some crap.
how do you have an ip that isn't subnetted? i only know of the private 192.168. whatever whatever range. not too familiar with class a b or c i believe above 172 is class c that is all I know.
anyway if this wasn't so boring I'd be having fun. this guy agrees that wpa is better than wep:
http://it.toolbox.com/blogs/unwired/the-difference-between-wep-and-wpa-20092
I can't imagine someone hacking your home router encryption with that ip spoofing crap, anyway with wpa you can use that brute force dictionary crap.
easy enough to solve with a word that isn't in the dictionary but then what about a password generator? simple just mix numbers and letters. oldest trick in the book
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Re: Wireless router help? [Re: imachavel]
#13262968 - 09/29/10 06:51 AM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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> what i want to know if how you have a default gateway that doesn't end with 254 or 256 or whatever max hosts or some crap.
They can't end in .256 as the octets are 8-bit, thus the available range is 0 to 255, inclusive. Of these, the all 0's address (0) and the all 1's address (255) are reserved. Your default gateway is simply the IP address of your router. It can be any valid IP address within your IP address space. It is tradition to have the router/gateway start with the first available IP address, which is often xxx.xxx.xxx.1.
> how do you have an ip that isn't subnetted?
You really don't as the definition of a subnet is a logical division of an IP address space. However, most people use the term a bit more strictly to mean a logical division of IP network class.
> not too familiar with class a b or c i believe above 172 is class c that is all I know.
http://www.computerhope.com/jargon/i/ip.htm
> I can't imagine someone hacking your home router encryption with that ip spoofing crap
It isn't the encryption that they are hacking. If you have no passwords set, then it is trivial to spoof MAC addresses (not IP addresses, though those are trivial as well) to avoid MAC address filtering. The MAC address is the unique identifier that each ethernet interface is assigned when manufactured. Many people mistakenly believe that if they configure their wireless router to only accept traffic from their known MAC addresses, then they are secure. Because it is trivial to fake the MAC address of outgoing packets, this security measure is useless.
> this guy agrees that wpa is better than wep
Yep. WEP can be broken, by brute force, in under ten minutes. WPA is still very difficult to break by brute force. As long as your WPA password is good (not a common word, long, mixed case, special characters, etc) then WPA is very secure.
> simple just mix numbers and letters
You still need to be careful. A lot of dictionary based attack scripts will make obvious substitutions of letters and numbers and try all permutations of these. For example, they will try "password" and "p@ssword" and "p@ssw0rd" and "p@55w0rd" and ... etc ...
I recommend taking two or more words, concatenating them with numbers in between, and adding a few capitals along with a special character or three. Something like: $caT12doG3.4mousE# which can be easy to remember, easy to type, long, and very difficult to break.
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