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beesly brewin
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Unusual find in Queensland Australia
#13182954 - 09/12/10 01:46 AM (1 year, 8 months ago)

Habitat:
Found on lawn in Sub tropical Queensland Australia

Gills:
tan at the moment, waiting for spore print

Stem:
5 cm wide 1.5 cap width reddish brown cap with lighter ring around,

Cap:
conical/spherical

Spore print color:
Waiting for print to finish

Bruising:
blue upon touch

Other information:
Smells like a copelandia. Was not found near any cow paddocks.

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Re: Unusual find in Queensland Australia [Re: beesly brewin]
#13182991 - 09/12/10 02:01 AM (1 year, 8 months ago)

Very interesting find! It does look like a Psilocybe sp., it would be great to know what it is.

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Re: Unusual find in Queensland Australia [Re: Tangich]
#13183003 - 09/12/10 02:09 AM (1 year, 8 months ago)

Yes, while I have seen many P Cubensis and Copelandia C in the cow paddocks, I was taken by surprise to see this in a front lawn in town.

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Re: Unusual find in Queensland Australia [Re: beesly brewin]
#13183589 - 09/12/10 08:12 AM (1 year, 8 months ago)

Hmmm, interesting. Save that as a dried specimen for microscopic identification.

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Re: Unusual find in Queensland Australia [Re: Workman]
#13189685 - 09/13/10 01:26 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

Yes, I have saved a sample.

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Re: Unusual find in Queensland Australia [Re: beesly brewin]
#13189738 - 09/13/10 01:38 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

Whoa! Unique find... I will be watching this thread.

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Re: Unusual find in Queensland Australia [Re: ehtdaedlufetarg]
#13189773 - 09/13/10 01:45 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

I hope someone will come with an answer, it does somewhat resemble a young Psilocybe subaeruginosa, but it's neither the season or the habitat for it, and I'm not very familiar with other Australian psilocybes.

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Re: Unusual find in Queensland Australia [Re: Tangich]
#13189794 - 09/13/10 01:48 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

Definitely looks like a sub. I think there was a cyan find in Oregon this spring, so I guess it could happen. :shrug:

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Re: Unusual find in Queensland Australia [Re: caphillkid]
#13189806 - 09/13/10 01:50 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

Weird. Could it be a species that hasn't been described?

It does resemble Psilocybe subaeruginosa though...

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Re: Unusual find in Queensland Australia [Re: amilibertine]
#13189851 - 09/13/10 02:02 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

I'd call that a sub. Weird as it may seem, but I think it's the most likely candidate.

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Re: Unusual find in Queensland Australia [Re: German Kahuna]
#13190221 - 09/13/10 03:23 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

Yes, it does look like a sub (especially the cap). I have never seen one around before and I always have my eyes on the ground. I have based this on pics of subs. The stem was quite white though, don't subs have a reddish brown stem? It bruised blue very easily after picked.

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Re: Unusual find in Queensland Australia [Re: beesly brewin]
#13190306 - 09/13/10 03:39 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

I love the blue bruising effect..even the newbest of newbs like me could ID a psilocybe from the bluing...

I have no idea tho as to what this is since i only could identify a ps.cyan or lib :shrug:

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Re: Unusual find in Queensland Australia [Re: OregonChronic]
#13190321 - 09/13/10 03:42 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

Psilocybe subaeruginosa.

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Re: Unusual find in Queensland Australia [Re: elprawn]
#13191328 - 09/13/10 07:10 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

Did you ever get the print to come out? Those look nice and fat, can't wait for a positive id.

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Re: Unusual find in Queensland Australia [Re: northgahunt]
#13191395 - 09/13/10 07:23 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

Need to check that lawn and see if there was any wood in the soil where the specimen was found.

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Re: Unusual find in Queensland Australia [Re: elprawn]
#13191931 - 09/13/10 09:15 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

i say sub too.
we even saw a spring pelliculosas thread this year in the PNW which was pretty friggin wierd IMO! so out of season fruitings can occur.

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Re: Unusual find in Queensland Australia [Re: beesly brewin]
#13192054 - 09/13/10 09:37 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

It does look like P. subaeruginosa... but a sub in Qld? on a lawn? in spring?

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beesly brewin said:
don't subs have a reddish brown stem? It bruised blue very easily after picked.

Subs have a silky white stem (like the pics below)

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Re: Unusual find in Queensland Australia [Re: TimmiT]
#13192188 - 09/13/10 10:09 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

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TimmiT said:
It does look like P. subaeruginosa... but a sub in Qld? on a lawn? in spring?

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beesly brewin said:
don't subs have a reddish brown stem? It bruised blue very easily after picked.

Subs have a silky white stem (like the pics below)

well you live in that neck of the woods, so if it seems super odd and rare and cool then thats exciting!! :thumbup:

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Re: Unusual find in Queensland Australia [Re: elprawn]
#13192340 - 09/13/10 11:01 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

No Wood at all, it is not far from the garden that has cane mulch on top def not wood chips.

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Re: Unusual find in Queensland Australia [Re: beesly brewin]
#13192371 - 09/13/10 11:16 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

as soon as i saw it it thought it was a sub, good find :thumbup:

didnt know you could get em up in qld

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Re: Unusual find in Queensland Australia [Re: lucas_southoz]
#13192377 - 09/13/10 11:20 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

When I said much earlier it look like a pic of a sub I saw, I meant Panaeolus subbalteatus. Looking now at the photos you have sent, it has many characteristics of Psilocybe subaeruginosa. Definitely not the habitat for them though. There is an organisation called the CSIRO, I could send it to them for ID. Maybe I need to think up a name? wouldn't that be great!?

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Re: Unusual find in Queensland Australia [Re: beesly brewin]
#13192529 - 09/14/10 12:26 AM (1 year, 8 months ago)

The CSIRO will just throw it in the rubbish. Australian science is not interested in actives what so ever.

I'll put my hand up to do the microscopy on this specimen if Workman doesn't want it. I have experience with P. subaeruginosa here in Australia and New Zealand. I'm also familiar with P. aucklandii, P. weraroa and P. makarorae. I would be happy to look at this under the scope for you. Let me know.

Did you manage to get a print?

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Re: Unusual find in Queensland Australia [Re: karode13]
#13192806 - 09/14/10 03:40 AM (1 year, 8 months ago)

It dried very small and has not thrown any visible spores. I have the specimen though. Thank you for the offer for the microscopy. Shame about the CSIRO.

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Re: Unusual find in Queensland Australia [Re: beesly brewin]
#13192833 - 09/14/10 04:03 AM (1 year, 8 months ago)

The CSIRO doesn't do that kind of thing anyway. Fungi identification services are usually offered by herbariums in the botanical gardens, but the Queensland Herbarium website says that they are not currently providing this service.

I don't know how you would go sending a sample of an active species oversees... so I would take up Karode's generous offer.

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Re: Unusual find in Queensland Australia [Re: TimmiT]
#13192845 - 09/14/10 04:17 AM (1 year, 8 months ago)

When I saw the photos my initial thought was that it looked alot like a young sub, but the obvious after-thought was 'In Queensland? In Spring?!'. You guys must have temps in the high 20s at the moment, right?

I'm very interested to see the results of microscopy, and what this turns out to be.

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Re: Unusual find in Queensland Australia [Re: Disgustipated]
#13192921 - 09/14/10 05:15 AM (1 year, 8 months ago)

Lows have been in the teens and highs in the mid to high twenties.

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Re: Unusual find in Queensland Australia [Re: OregonChronic]
#13193021 - 09/14/10 06:20 AM (1 year, 8 months ago)

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I love the blue bruising effect..even the newbest of newbs like me could ID a psilocybe from the bluing...

Not all blue bruising is a sign of a psychoactive.

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Re: Unusual find in Queensland Australia [Re: riverdweller]
#13193022 - 09/14/10 06:21 AM (1 year, 8 months ago)

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I love the blue bruising effect..even the newbest of newbs like me could ID a psilocybe from the bluing...

Not all blue bruising is a sign of a psychoactive.

With a mushroom like this, it usually is. Not like its a bolete :tongue:

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Re: Unusual find in Queensland Australia [Re: weiliigod]
#13193034 - 09/14/10 06:24 AM (1 year, 8 months ago)

And I would defiantly eat this mushroom to test it's activity even if I was unsure (100%) what it was.

That is how confident I am that these are active.

Awesome finds by the way, OP :congrats:

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Re: Unusual find in Queensland Australia [Re: weiliigod]
#13193047 - 09/14/10 06:29 AM (1 year, 8 months ago)

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riverdweller said:
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OregonChronic said:
I love the blue bruising effect..even the newbest of newbs like me could ID a psilocybe from the bluing...

Not all blue bruising is a sign of a psychoactive.

With a mushroom like this, it usually is. Not like its a bolete

I agree that in this case, the bluing is a great sign. My comment was more to object to the idea that blue bruising is a universal sign. :smile:

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Re: Unusual find in Queensland Australia [Re: riverdweller]
#13193570 - 09/14/10 09:11 AM (1 year, 8 months ago)

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riverdweller said:
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weiliigod said:
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riverdweller said:
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OregonChronic said:
I love the blue bruising effect..even the newbest of newbs like me could ID a psilocybe from the bluing...

Not all blue bruising is a sign of a psychoactive.

With a mushroom like this, it usually is. Not like its a bolete

I agree that in this case, the bluing is a great sign. My comment was more to object to the idea that blue bruising is a universal sign. ~

i thought the only other mushroom that bruises blue is a bolete with pore gills? i meant any psilocybe looking mushroom that you are unsure about and it goes blue would be 100% sure psilocybe

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Re: Unusual find in Queensland Australia [Re: OregonChronic]
#13193748 - 09/14/10 09:48 AM (1 year, 8 months ago)

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OregonChronic said:

i thought the only other mushroom that bruises blue is a bolete with pore gills? i meant any psilocybe looking mushroom that you are unsure about and it goes blue would be 100% sure psilocybe

No.

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Re: Unusual find in Queensland Australia [Re: The Thinker]
#13193822 - 09/14/10 10:03 AM (1 year, 8 months ago)

Well i only go out to pick cyans and libs,...so my point was that if im unsure about a cyan,...i'll just pinch it and wait for it to go blue.

I would take a shit on the mushrooms you posted and would never think about picking them :lol:

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Re: Unusual find in Queensland Australia [Re: OregonChronic]
#13197476 - 09/14/10 11:58 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

OK?

I just do not know what to say to that, OregonChronic. :crazy2:

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Re: Unusual find in Queensland Australia [Re: beesly brewin]
#13197831 - 09/15/10 03:14 AM (1 year, 8 months ago)

Oregon Chronic, considering I found them in town, you must be a brave person to take a dump on them with people watching.

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Re: Unusual find in Queensland Australia [Re: beesly brewin]
#13199200 - 09/15/10 11:37 AM (1 year, 8 months ago)

i was just being sarcastic

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Re: Unusual find in Queensland Australia [Re: OregonChronic]
#13199810 - 09/15/10 01:59 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

I know, so was I. No offense taken and none intended. :psychsplit:

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Re: Unusual find in Queensland Australia [Re: beesly brewin]
#15735678 - 01/29/12 08:01 PM (3 months, 28 days ago)

This seems so strange it almost seems like you're trolling... next thing we know there'll be people reporting cubes in victoria.

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Re: Unusual find in Queensland Australia [Re: nonduality]
#15736734 - 01/30/12 01:07 AM (3 months, 28 days ago)

Trolling? I am not sure exactly what that means, sorry mate.
With climate change, who knows... There may be cubes in victories. ;-)
I know these are special and I am proud to have found them. Wonder if I am the first or they just a known species out of place.

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#15740391 - 01/30/12 08:25 PM (3 months, 27 days ago)

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Reason for deletion: Check dates dumby :P

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Re: Unusual find in Queensland Australia [Re: Nobitte]
#15741291 - 01/31/12 01:09 AM (3 months, 27 days ago)

Lol, old thread but ill put in. Looks like a panaeolus cinctulus to me, 100%.

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Re: Unusual find in Queensland Australia [Re: Locky]
#15741449 - 01/31/12 03:14 AM (3 months, 27 days ago)

Check the distribution of panaeolus cinctulus.
It is not supposed to grow this far north in Australia.

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Re: Unusual find in Queensland Australia [Re: beesly brewin]
#15741481 - 01/31/12 03:35 AM (3 months, 27 days ago)

There is more chance of it being a Pan Cinct than a Psilocybe subaeruginosa. Subae's NEED very cold weather to grow, were as cincts will grow anywhere its hot and humid

I am confused.. Have we any ideas as to what it is yet? an undescribed psilocybe?

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Re: Unusual find in Queensland Australia [Re: Locky]
#15741622 - 01/31/12 05:16 AM (3 months, 26 days ago)

Good point, especially seeing it grows in southern Florida. I am waiting for Karode13 to post the microscopy results. Have you seen the related thread with the microscopy discussion? I will post the link. Brb

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Re: Unusual find in Queensland Australia [Re: beesly brewin]
#15741625 - 01/31/12 05:18 AM (3 months, 26 days ago)

Check this out, Locky.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/13224813

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Re: Unusual find in Queensland Australia [Re: beesly brewin]
#15741631 - 01/31/12 05:26 AM (3 months, 26 days ago)

Have you tried to cultivate yet using stem buts or stems on cardboard?
They are a woodlover yeah?

I'd be sooooo tempted to make up some agar and grow them spores, heck, even make a syringe and shoot up a BRF cake as well.

Very exciting beesly brewin, man you must be jumpn outa your skin :mushdance:

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Re: Unusual find in Queensland Australia [Re: olive]
#15742501 - 01/31/12 11:22 AM (3 months, 26 days ago)

I have not cultivated it. That is not my thing. It would be an interesting experiment as I do not believe they are wood lovers because they grow in a lawn without any woodchips. It is very exciting to see these little beauties though.

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Re: Unusual find in Queensland Australia [Re: beesly brewin]
#15743392 - 01/31/12 03:06 PM (3 months, 26 days ago)

Soon as you ready, can or are able you should spread some of that new shroom round to some Australian cultivators, me included :biggrin:

In my limited experience it looks like a woodlover.

The stem buts resemble subaeruginosa. The climate and location is wrong though.

Woodlovers will mostly grow on any celulose based material, inc dead grass.
That lawn looks nice and thick, meaning that there will be a layer of decomposing celulose containing material between the green grass and the soil underneath.
This layer is perfect for the mycelium to grow in.

The potential of a warm weather fruiting woodlover - mindboggln :evil:

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Re: Unusual find in Queensland Australia [Re: beesly brewin]
#15743443 - 01/31/12 03:19 PM (3 months, 26 days ago)

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Lol, old thread but ill put in. Looks like a panaeolus cinctulus to me, 100%.

Most definately not Panaeolus cinctulus.

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beesly brewin said:
Check the distribution of panaeolus cinctulus.
It is not supposed to grow this far north in Australia.

Panaeolus cinctulus grows everywhere, I can't see why it wouldn't grow there. It even grows like 50 (70?) or so miles south of the north pole.

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Re: Unusual find in Queensland Australia [Re: Byrain]
#15743876 - 01/31/12 04:59 PM (3 months, 26 days ago)

We are in the southern hemisphere so north is closer to the equator. These are growing not too far from the tropic of Capricorn. it is summer here and damn hot!

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Re: Unusual find in Queensland Australia [Re: olive]
#15744212 - 01/31/12 06:12 PM (3 months, 26 days ago)

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Soon as you ready, can or are able you should spread some of that new shroom round to some Australian cultivators, me included

In my limited experience it looks like a woodlover.

The stem buts resemble subaeruginosa. The climate and location is wrong though.

Woodlovers will mostly grow on any celulose based material, inc dead grass.
That lawn looks nice and thick, meaning that there will be a layer of decomposing celulose containing material between the green grass and the soil underneath.
This layer is perfect for the mycelium to grow in.

The potential of a warm weather fruiting woodlover - mindboggln

ME TOO! I would love to experiment with one of these :rocket:

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Re: Unusual find in Queensland Australia [Re: beesly brewin]
#15744394 - 01/31/12 06:51 PM (3 months, 26 days ago)

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We are in the southern hemisphere so north is closer to the equator. These are growing not too far from the tropic of Capricorn. it is summer here and damn hot!

P. cinctulus loves hot, best time of year to find them here is summer with 90-100+ degree weather.

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Re: Unusual find in Queensland Australia [Re: Byrain]
#15744563 - 01/31/12 07:35 PM (3 months, 26 days ago)

cool, the mystery deepens. I find it intriguing.
cannot wait for the results.
I should be able to get some more prints out of P. Brewinii (if it is a new species)
Or P. Cinctulus. Or whatever the heck it may be. :-)

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Re: Unusual find in Queensland Australia [Re: beesly brewin]
#15744581 - 01/31/12 07:39 PM (3 months, 26 days ago)

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Or P. Cinctulus. Or whatever the heck it may be. :-)

I can assure you your find is not that, those look completely different and have jet black spores. I think I recall a picture of purple spores somewhere? Or am I confused?

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Re: Unusual find in Queensland Australia [Re: Byrain]
#15744827 - 01/31/12 08:40 PM (3 months, 26 days ago)

Yes, purple

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Re: Unusual find in Queensland Australia [Re: Byrain]
#15744854 - 01/31/12 08:44 PM (3 months, 26 days ago)

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Or P. Cinctulus. Or whatever the heck it may be. :-)

I can assure you your find is not that, those look completely different and have jet black spores. I think I recall a picture of purple spores somewhere? Or am I confused?

ya its definetly not a Panaeolus. its a Psilocybe for sure.

what color did they dry to by the way? a bleached white or straw yellow ?

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Re: Unusual find in Queensland Australia [Re: psylosymonreturns]
#15745034 - 01/31/12 09:25 PM (3 months, 26 days ago)

I will have to take a look. I am away from from home ATM.
Cannot not make that distinction without having another look.
From memory, the bruising is apparent when dry and some went very dark from the bruising.
I do not think the were straw coloured but not bleach white. I am rambling.
I will post photos when I get home.
In Bris-Vegas tonight to see Roger Waters.

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Re: Unusual find in Queensland Australia [Re: beesly brewin]
#15745178 - 01/31/12 09:58 PM (3 months, 26 days ago)

ah wicked man! i want to see that tour when it comes to vancouver!!let me know how good it is! :smile:

the color it goes in drying may be able to give us an early clue before Karode gets that microscopy done.

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Re: Unusual find in Queensland Australia [Re: psylosymonreturns]
#15754554 - 02/03/12 01:18 AM (3 months, 24 days ago)

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Re: Unusual find in Queensland Australia [Re: _OttO_]
#15758957 - 02/04/12 02:50 AM (3 months, 23 days ago)

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Re: Unusual find in Queensland Australia [Re: ericos_bob]
#15759179 - 02/04/12 05:36 AM (3 months, 22 days ago)

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Re: Unusual find in Queensland Australia [Re: InvisibleHunter]
#15785111 - 02/09/12 05:25 PM (3 months, 17 days ago)

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Re: Unusual find in Queensland Australia [Re: ericos_bob]
#15786826 - 02/10/12 12:55 AM (3 months, 17 days ago)

I know, me too...
Do not want to be a pest though.

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Re: Unusual find in Queensland Australia [Re: beesly brewin]
#15788252 - 02/10/12 10:36 AM (3 months, 16 days ago)

It looks yummy thats all I know.... Cant wait to find out what it is..

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Re: Unusual find in Queensland Australia [Re: Frizzie]
#15830566 - 02/19/12 01:12 AM (3 months, 8 days ago)

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Re: Unusual find in Queensland Australia [Re: ericos_bob]
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