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 Just how do you get up from an all time low ?
#13128673 - 08/31/10 11:08 AM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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Just asking, this isn't a "my life is worse than yours" competition, and I don't want any gruesome details if you'd rather not share. 
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Re: Just how do you get up from an all time low ? [Re: Brainstem]
#13128681 - 08/31/10 11:10 AM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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I'm riddled with maggots and puss and my eyeball is hanging out of it's socket and my pee pee is clogged. I'm not going to even mention the bad times.
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“What is the ideal for mental health, then? A lived, compelling illusion that does not lie about life, death, and reality; one honest enough to follow its own commandments: I mean, not to kill, not to take the lives of others to justify itself.”
― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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Re: Just how do you get up from an all time low ? [Re: Icelander]
#13128700 - 08/31/10 11:15 AM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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Icelander said:
I'm riddled with maggots and puss and my eyeball is hanging out of it's socket and my pee pee is clogged. I'm not going to even mention the bad times.
Ok you win first prize in the competition I said this wasn't going to be.
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The arrogant cat stalks the humble mouse, the self important dog chases away the cat and is in turn unable to stand it's ground against the Proud lion. Then the lion is almost trampled underfoot of the enlightened elephant, who surprisingly and paradoxically yields to the humble mouse.
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Re: Just how do you get up from an all time low ? [Re: Brainstem]
#13128704 - 08/31/10 11:17 AM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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Is it easy or hard, When inspiration and desperation share the same neighborhood ?
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Re: Just how do you get up from an all time low ? [Re: Brainstem]
#13128725 - 08/31/10 11:22 AM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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The only place to go when you hit rock bottom is up
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Re: Just how do you get up from an all time low ? [Re: Brainstem]
#13128744 - 08/31/10 11:27 AM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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Brainstem said:
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Icelander said:
I'm riddled with maggots and puss and my eyeball is hanging out of it's socket and my pee pee is clogged. I'm not going to even mention the bad times.
Ok you win first prize in the competition I said this wasn't going to be.
Finally some fucking recognition.
I get up from my lows with meditation and physical activity and volunteer work.
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― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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Re: Just how do you get up from an all time low ? [Re: I AM SWIM]
#13128747 - 08/31/10 11:28 AM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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Famous last words. "things can't get any worse than this." or "nothing can possibly go wrong" , just because you're at the bottom doesn't mean you won't stay there and fester for a while. 
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Re: Just how do you get up from an all time low ? [Re: Icelander]
#13128769 - 08/31/10 11:34 AM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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Gold star well deserved.
Does your regime of meditation, exercise/work and volunteer work, work for "all time low" situations or just the regular ups and downs of bi-polar disorder ?
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Re: Just how do you get up from an all time low ? [Re: Brainstem]
#13128822 - 08/31/10 11:46 AM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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It worked when I became suicidal.  Don't know if it will always work.
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― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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Re: Just how do you get up from an all time low ? [Re: I AM SWIM]
#13129124 - 08/31/10 12:59 PM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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I AM SWIM said:
The only place to go when you hit rock bottom is up
You can find a good driller and go through the rock even lower.
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Re: Just how do you get up from an all time low ? [Re: I AM SWIM]
#13129131 - 08/31/10 01:00 PM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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I AM SWIM said:
The only place to go when you hit rock bottom is up
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If I should die this very moment
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For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you
 
 
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Re: Just how do you get up from an all time low ? [Re: fireworks_god]
#13129203 - 08/31/10 01:20 PM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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Should I tell you all how we retrieve ourselves from the quicksands of despair ? You do it humbly without pride and by paying attention to life. This approach has helped me regain leverage during some of life's worst times.
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Re: Just how do you get up from an all time low ? [Re: Icelander]
#13129425 - 08/31/10 02:25 PM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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and my pee pee is clogged
Just straighten out a coat hangar, tunnel away, and you are good to go.
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Re: Just how do you get up from an all time low ? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#13129499 - 08/31/10 02:42 PM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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is that how you got your mojo back?
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Re: Just how do you get up from an all time low ? [Re: Freedom]
#13129500 - 08/31/10 02:43 PM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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― Ernest Becker
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Re: Just how do you get up from an all time low ? [Re: Freedom]
#13129523 - 08/31/10 02:46 PM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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is that how you got your mojo back?
Nah, I just listened to The Doors backwards.
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Re: Just how do you get up from an all time low ? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#13129568 - 08/31/10 02:55 PM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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Eht Srood
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― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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Re: Just how do you get up from an all time low ? [Re: Icelander]
#13129619 - 08/31/10 03:06 PM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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Du sprechen Deutsche?
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Re: Just how do you get up from an all time low ? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#13129629 - 08/31/10 03:08 PM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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mrots eht no sredir
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Re: Just how do you get up from an all time low ? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#13129795 - 08/31/10 03:39 PM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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Du sprechen Deutsche?
9
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― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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Re: Just how do you get up from an all time low ? [Re: Icelander]
#13132205 - 09/01/10 02:53 AM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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Just how do you get up from an all time low ?
Work on something. Clean your house. Work harder at work. Go see how fast you can run. Give someone a back rub.
Just find stuff to do. And don't stop.
Start using the word Awesome!
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Start using the word Awesome!
I forwarded this note to UNICEF. Now starving kids can feel good about starving because it's awesome! 
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Re: Just how do you get up from an all time low ? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#13136177 - 09/01/10 08:07 PM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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Sweet, that makes me Stoked!
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Re: Just how do you get up from an all time low ? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#13137098 - 09/02/10 02:17 AM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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OrgoneConclusion said:
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Start using the word Awesome!
I forwarded this note to UNICEF. Now starving kids can feel good about starving because it's awesome!
It is awesome! If it weren't for those kids, some people wouldn't have anything to bitch about.
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If we didn't have pain, we wouldn't know pleasure.
It's not that I'm never wrong, it's just that I never open my mouth unless I'm right.
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Re: Just how do you get up from an all time low ? [Re: Brainstem]
#13137210 - 09/02/10 03:49 AM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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When you fall apart, don't reconstruct yourself, completely fall apart, if you reconstruct yourself you'll only fall apart again anyway
So might aswell willingly fall apart, at least then you can finally rest, aaaahhhh
This is what a Buddha does, stops creating a false self image that will eventually fall apart, just remain empty
What a wonderful state of Being
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Re: Just how do you get up from an all time low ? [Re: The Chronic]
#13137316 - 09/02/10 05:33 AM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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1nfinity said:
When you fall apart, don't reconstruct yourself, completely fall apart, if you reconstruct yourself you'll only fall apart again anyway
So might aswell willingly fall apart, at least then you can finally rest, aaaahhhh
This is what a Buddha does, stops creating a false self image that will eventually fall apart, just remain empty
What a wonderful state of Being
what?
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All this time I've loved you
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Here is true peace
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Re: Just how do you get up from an all time low ? [Re: MushroomTrip]
#13137326 - 09/02/10 05:43 AM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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Re: Just how do you get up from an all time low ? [Re: The Chronic]
#13137337 - 09/02/10 05:48 AM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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ok
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Re: Just how do you get up from an all time low ? [Re: The Chronic]
#13137353 - 09/02/10 05:57 AM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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I think it can be healing to try to "hold on" to emptiness...but it's pretty futile. Also it doesn't really answer the OP.
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Re: Just how do you get up from an all time low ? [Re: Sleepwalker]
#13137355 - 09/02/10 05:58 AM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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Basically, if you are at an all-time low and you get sick of it, you will either find some way out or kill yourself. It's not too complicated. We do what we will, always.
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Re: Just how do you get up from an all time low ? [Re: Sleepwalker]
#13137710 - 09/02/10 08:52 AM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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I think it depends greatly on the person. I myself am a problem solver, in the purest sense. I think a more creative and subtle approach/solution is always better than the common extremes. It also depends on the reason/sequence of events for the low ebb.
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Re: Just how do you get up from an all time low ? [Re: Brainstem]
#13138220 - 09/02/10 11:30 AM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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What works for me when I have dark nights of the soul is building my solitude, mainly through reflecting on why am I feeling the way I am and how I can change that. Creating affirmations for myself also helps heaps.
Create an affirmation then look for past evidence to support your affirmation, and it becomes stronger and stronger, basic NLP.
Hope that helps.
Oh yeah, lots of comedy movies.
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Re: Just how do you get up from an all time low ? [Re: mindbentempire]
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mindbentempire said:
What works for me when I have dark nights of the soul is building my solitude, mainly through reflecting on why am I feeling the way I am and how I can change that. Creating affirmations for myself also helps heaps.
Create an affirmation then look for past evidence to support your affirmation, and it becomes stronger and stronger, basic NLP.
Hope that helps.
Oh yeah, lots of comedy movies.
I slaughtered the worst of my inner demons many years ago, and my life improved ten fold. The thing is external events can still floor you, and rather than being depressed because of something personal/emotional, you can be left feeling detached from life. You may be able to function, work, look after your home/children, socialize, but there would still be this detachment and emotional isolation.
Do I ever make sense ??? 
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Re: Just how do you get up from an all time low ? [Re: Brainstem]
#13141221 - 09/02/10 11:21 PM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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Brainstem said:
I slaughtered the worst of my inner demons many years ago, and my life improved ten fold. The thing is external events can still floor you, and rather than being depressed because of something personal/emotional, you can be left feeling detached from life. You may be able to function, work, look after your home/children, socialize, but there would still be this detachment and emotional isolation.
IMO this isn't necessarily a bad thing. I've been feeling this way quite a lot. Some passions and personal anguish still come around during specific times of the day and as reactions to specific external events, but that doesn't bother me so much when most of my time is spent feeling detached and there are no great expectations or fears, just a kind of detached whateverness that is neither optimistic nor cynical. IMO the forces that are pulling you away from this natural detachment are your inner demons.
What to do about it... Practise detached creativity maybe? In Tibet, for example, they make mandalas out of colored sand, and when it's finished they wipe off the whole thing and start again. Or maybe there is still something that you would like to "accomplish" in life before you return to this natural passionless detachment. One possibility is to look for that isntead.
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Re: Just how do you get up from an all time low ? [Re: Sleepwalker]
#13141484 - 09/03/10 01:54 AM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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Oweyervishice said:
I think it can be healing to try to "hold on" to emptiness...but it's pretty futile. Also it doesn't really answer the OP.
In my own experience it answers it perfectly, because theres your mind reaching a low, then seeking release from this low, but the very act of seeking release makes it 'low', and anywhere it climbs to again it will fall from again, eventually one sees this up/down motion of the mind and just rides the wave rather than fighting it, or remains as the ocean.
Seeking a way out (fear) is to prematurely admit your own defeat, if believe yourself a victim of life then you experience life as a victim & life treats you like a victim, if you see that ultimately the real 'you' can not be burnt by life then you willingly jump into life, with no fear of being burnt.
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Re: Just how do you get up from an all time low ? [Re: The Chronic]
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Well I agree. Riding the wave without fighting is key, however this still involves going up and down...
and part of riding the wave is that you have to make some choices. You don't have to fight the cycle to do this, in fact it's easier if you realize what goes up comes down before you start.
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Re: Just how do you get up from an all time low ? [Re: Sleepwalker]
#13141494 - 09/03/10 02:02 AM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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fight implies fear and out of fear all the negative/undesireable states thrive
the way i see it is if you fight anything, universally speaking your ultimately fighting yourself, how embarassing! 
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Re: Just how do you get up from an all time low ? [Re: The Chronic]
#13141524 - 09/03/10 02:23 AM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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the way i see it is if you fight anything, universally speaking your ultimately fighting yourself, how embarassing!
Of course it's embarrassing, it doesn't make sense. 
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Re: Just how do you get up from an all time low ? [Re: Brainstem]
#13141604 - 09/03/10 03:24 AM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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Focus on what's good, even if it's waking up in the morning. Keep on going and sooner or later things will get better. Works for me, anyway.
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Re: Just how do you get up from an all time low ? [Re: kingboomer]
#13141889 - 09/03/10 06:40 AM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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Just how do you get up from an all time low? Talking with friends or exercise.
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Re: Just how do you get up from an all time low ? [Re: The Chronic]
#13143084 - 09/03/10 12:44 PM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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1nfinity said:
When you fall apart, don't reconstruct yourself, completely fall apart, if you reconstruct yourself you'll only fall apart again anyway
So might aswell willingly fall apart, at least then you can finally rest, aaaahhhh
This is what a Buddha does, stops creating a false self image that will eventually fall apart, just remain empty
What a wonderful state of Being
i think that's a rather awesome point, i have a lot of issues with building up and trying to fulfill my own self image, maybe that's a lot of what has kept me down before
in my life i was homeless for 3 years, left my parents house at 17 and still haven't talked to them again, i have no intention of talking to them either, just recently i moved in with my half-sister, only family i still talk to, in that time i discovered that there is no one else in this world who truly gives a shit about you, and went through long deep bouts of depression, during a lot of that time i treated my depression by drinking excessively (makes it easier to sleep on a sidewalk or in the woods to) however i have learned that the only cure, as opposed to treatment, for depression, is to follow the natural highs, healthy diet, meditation, exercise, long walks in nature, music, etc., its different for everyone what works but find the things that naturally stimulate your serotonin and dopamine receptors and use them
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