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 tripstr
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 Know Where Your Going After You Die??? 
#13053513 - 08/15/10 04:02 AM (2 years, 9 months ago) |
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Let me ask you a few questions:
-Do you consider yourself to be a good person?
Lets find out...
-Have you ever lied?
-Have you ever stolen anything?
-Have you ever blasphemed Gods name?
-Jesus said that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart (Matthew 5:28), have you looked with lust?
So if God were to judge you by the ten commandments, which we only went through four of them, would you be guilty?
Yes you would, in fact we have all broken Gods law sometime so all of us deserves death because the punishment of sin is death.
For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. Romans 6:23
But God has made a way for us to come back into relationship with Him, He came down to earth as the man Jesus Christ and lived a perfect life, died on the cross and paid the price for our sins that we deserve, rose to life again three days later, and is there for you to turn to Him.
What you have to do is repent of your sins, which is turn from them. And trust in Jesus alone for salvation. I hope you will all think about this, as it is so important. Thanks for reading
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Ahimsa
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Re: Know Where Your Going After You Die??? [Re: tripstr]
#13053560 - 08/15/10 04:23 AM (2 years, 9 months ago) |
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I find it hard to believe there is a someone going somewhere 'after' death. I was born from lust and desire. This body, this material form, and consciousness arose due to the integration process that started at the conception.
And i exactly the same manner will i disassemble. What is there to go anywhere after death?
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Samurai Drifter
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Re: Know Where Your Going After You Die??? [Re: Ahimsa]
#13053741 - 08/15/10 06:33 AM (2 years, 9 months ago) |
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Enjoy the warm fuzzy feeling your faith gives you. Must be nice to absolve yourself of responsibility for your wrongs with just a few words, not to mention the right to act morally superior to everyone. Oh, and don't forget that when people are having problems, you can say you're praying for them and avoid actually doing anything to help.
"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?"
-Epicurus
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circastes
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I really don't like Christians, while they're being Christians.
The world isn't the embracing mother-father image you want it to be. Not that the world is evil, it's just not out to cater for intellectual maldevelopment, most of the time manifesting as Christianity.
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she said there's good men
that there's God in everyone
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Scantraxx
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Re: Know Where Your Going After You Die??? [Re: tripstr]
#13053816 - 08/15/10 08:01 AM (2 years, 9 months ago) |
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Quote:
tripstr said:
-Jesus said that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her
I enjoy this one a lot 
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 Doc_T
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Re: Know Where Your Going After You Die??? [Re: tripstr]
#13053819 - 08/15/10 08:03 AM (2 years, 9 months ago) |
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Quote:
tripstr said:
So if God were to judge you by the ten commandments,
Fortunately Jesus brings us forgiveness, as described in teh New Testament.
You should study harder if you are going to troll as a Christian, dude. 
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Icelander
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Re: Know Where Your Going After You Die??? [Re: tripstr]
#13054147 - 08/15/10 11:19 AM (2 years, 9 months ago) |
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All I can say is you're lucky you posted this in this forum.
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“under the present brutal and primitive conditions on this planet, every person you meet should be regarded as one of the walking wounded. we have never seen a man or woman not slightly deranged by either anxiety or grief. we have never seen a totally sane human being.”
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jivJaN
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Re: Know Where Your Going After You Die??? [Re: tripstr]
#13055093 - 08/15/10 03:47 PM (2 years, 9 months ago) |
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Quote:
tripstr said:
Let me ask you a few questions:
-Do you consider yourself to be a good person?
Lets find out...
-Have you ever lied?
-Have you ever stolen anything?
-Have you ever blasphemed Gods name?
-Jesus said that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart (Matthew 5:28), have you looked with lust?
So if God were to judge you by the ten commandments, which we only went through four of them, would you be guilty?
Yes you would, in fact we have all broken Gods law sometime so all of us deserves death because the punishment of sin is death.
For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. Romans 6:23
But God has made a way for us to come back into relationship with Him, He came down to earth as the man Jesus Christ and lived a perfect life, died on the cross and paid the price for our sins that we deserve, rose to life again three days later, and is there for you to turn to Him.
What you have to do is repent of your sins, which is turn from them. And trust in Jesus alone for salvation. I hope you will all think about this, as it is so important. Thanks for reading
Hi there. I have done all the bad things and even worse. I still continue to do it and i do it intentionally.
I feel no remorse and have no intentions of repenting or apologizing in any way.
There is no guilt.
I am what i am , and if your lord is true , than this abomination of a human being would be part of him as well , for the lord is creator of all that is.
I cannot accept a god that judges its own creation. That would mean he is not perfect.
And serving an imperfect god.. is just 
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All my posts in this forum are strictly fictional.
They are derived from an acute mental illness , from which i am forced to lie compulsively.
I have never induced any kind of mind altering substance in my life and i have no intentions whatsoever of doing anything illegal.
If I have ever suggested such a thing it would have most likely been , due to my personality disorder and i probably do not remember it at all..
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BiG_StroOnZ
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Re: Know Where Your Going After You Die??? [Re: jivJaN]
#13055128 - 08/15/10 03:52 PM (2 years, 9 months ago) |
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Doc_T said:
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BiG_StroOnZ said:
The simple fact is nobody knows what happens after you die and anyone who claims they do without a doubt, is only kidding themselves.
Lots and lots of people have died and come back to talk about it. Are all their stories false?
Well if you read on, you would have realized that I brought up the concept of NDE's (Near Death Experiences) having some relevancy. However, with that said, NDE's have many similarities to the NDE's that are experienced on psychedelics/entheogens.
Experiencing such a state while your heart stops and then coming back, is not the same as actually dying and not coming back. Nobody can officially die, and then come back, to then tell us what happened. Although people can be dead for hours at a time, this simply is called "clinical death," meaning your heart has stopped. Whereas, total cessation of brain activity and function, or "irreversible unconsciousness with complete loss of brain function" or in short "Brain Death" is what is accepted as the criteria for establishing the fact and time of death.
I'm not saying disregard the people's stories who have been pronounced "Clinically Dead" and had an Near Death Experience. However, this is still not the same. We cannot say what happens after we die, because you cannot come back and tell the story when you are "officially dead." When the heart stops during a clinical death, the brain is still active. Meaning the neurotransmitters, neurochemicals, peptides, etc. can still be manifesting these types of experiences. Then to be able to compare the natural NDE right alongside a psychedelic/entheogen induced NDE makes it even more questionable of what exactly is going on in the brain during both of these experiences.
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tripstr
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Re: Know Where Your Going After You Die??? [Re: BiG_StroOnZ]
#13055441 - 08/15/10 04:45 PM (2 years, 9 months ago) |
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Ok, I see there are some misconceptions here.
Ahimsa: yes, you were born into sin, and this body is a temporary home.
Samurai Drifter: I do not absolve myself of responsibility for my wrongs with just a few words, It is by repentance and trusting Gods grace and mercy through Jesus Christ and His sacrifice for us
Also, I never said I was better than anyone, I have sinned like everyone, and am grateful for salvation through Christ
You also mentioned something else with your quote, something a lot of people cant understand. God is holy, in Him there is no evil or unrighteousness. Where does evil come from? We are in a fallen world, we have rebelled against God and so the result is we have separated ourselves with God by our sin, God doesn't force anyone to come to Him, He has given us free will to choose.
circastes: But the world would rather go after lust of the flesh then to please God so in that the world is evil
Doc_T: Jesus' sacrifice for us is there for us who will receive it. For someone to not accept Him that person will stand before God and be judged by what they have done, and since they have sinned they will be cast away to hell because they are not covered by the blood that Jesus has shed for them. God doesn't want anyone to go there, but its by there own choice to rebel and choose sin and death that separates them.
argg: Can you show me scripture to back up what you said? But what you bring up is often misunderstood: In the Old Testament (or old covenant) God put forth His commandments, when people sinned, often Gods judgment was instant upon them. God does not change, sin can not be around Him. Now He is withholding His judgment for a time so people can repent and turn to Him before it is to late. Even back then, following the law perfectly was impossible, so God had to make a way for mankind to come back into the relationship that they lost, that is why Jesus came to pay the price of sin for you. God would turn away His anger when the people would repent, God showed the people of Israel so many miracles and they still would later sin, but God is so graceful to us, that He will receive you no matter what you have done.
and no the bible and the Koran are very different, but I dont care to get into that
Doc_T: Do you understand that the punishment for sin is death? That is why they had to sacrifice animals. We are no longer under the old covenant but a new covenant where Gods grace is freely given to those who would humble themselves and turn to Jesus. You are right in that its Jesus' sacrifice that redeems us, we must repent of our sins and receive that sacrifice for us. Do you know Him? Take care
BiG_StroOnZ: If you have never known for sure where your going after you die then how can you say that everyone can not know for sure just because you dont? In fact, God has made it very clear to us. Just really seek Him, have a desire for the truth and go after it. If you really seek Him, you will find Him, God is not hard for us to find, He wants you to come to Him. Read the bible starting in the book of John and get a clear idea of what Jesus has offered you, and what the alternative it. Dont just wait for "whatever happens happens" then it will be to late, please think about this.
jivJaN: That is because you are caught up in pleasing the flesh. I would really encourage you to seek after God, because your eternity is at stake and this life is but a blink of an eye compared to eternity.
You must understand that God is a righteous and Holy judge. Also, who are we to question God? He has all power and right to do as He pleases anyways, and He is a loving God who gives us hope!
Thanks everyone for the responses
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Sleepwalker
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Re: Know Where Your Going After You Die??? [Re: tripstr]
#13055697 - 08/15/10 05:35 PM (2 years, 9 months ago) |
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and yet I'm sure you learned all of this from your fellow fallen, evil humans. Why trust them?
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jivJaN
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Re: Know Where Your Going After You Die??? [Re: tripstr]
#13056010 - 08/15/10 06:48 PM (2 years, 9 months ago) |
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jivJaN: That is because you are caught up in pleasing the flesh. I would really encourage you to seek after God, because your eternity is at stake and this life is but a blink of an eye compared to eternity.
You must understand that God is a righteous and Holy judge. Also, who are we to question God? He has all power and right to do as He pleases anyways, and He is a loving God who gives us hope!
oK.
so ill just say it again.
its pure logic..
cant beat that.
- a god that judges his own creation , is a god that is judgmental of his own work.
judgmental .. of himself in a sense.
this is a quality of an imperfect being that is striving.
how do you get around this ?
im honestly curious.
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All my posts in this forum are strictly fictional.
They are derived from an acute mental illness , from which i am forced to lie compulsively.
I have never induced any kind of mind altering substance in my life and i have no intentions whatsoever of doing anything illegal.
If I have ever suggested such a thing it would have most likely been , due to my personality disorder and i probably do not remember it at all..
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Moronicus
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Re: Know Where Your Going After You Die??? [Re: tripstr]
#13056013 - 08/15/10 06:49 PM (2 years, 9 months ago) |
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Probably hell. 
I've done a lot of fucked up things. 
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Yes, it is. The shine stands for his job title, which is Shoe Shiner, the moon stands for the time he comes out to be a nigger, which is best suited for the negroid camouflage.
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 thecazz723
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Re: Know Where Your Going After You Die??? [Re: Moronicus]
#13056051 - 08/15/10 06:57 PM (2 years, 9 months ago) |
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The human animal no more has a soul than any other animal on this planet. The Christian religion was invented by man to explain what happens when he dies.....not when ants die.
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Samurai Drifter
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Re: Know Where Your Going After You Die??? [Re: tripstr]
#13058085 - 08/16/10 08:10 AM (2 years, 9 months ago) |
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tripstr said:
God is holy, in Him there is no evil or unrighteousness. Where does evil come from? We are in a fallen world, we have rebelled against God and so the result is we have separated ourselves with God by our sin, God doesn't force anyone to come to Him, He has given us free will to choose.
If God created everything in the Universe, and evil exists in the Universe, God created evil. It's a simple logical deduction and there's really no way to argue your way out of it.
Even if you claim evil only exists because we have free will, God still created the potential for evil knowing that some would choose it. That's the same as creating it by anyone's standards.
Also, by the doctrines of Christianity, a psychotic murderer could accept Jesus into his heart and go to heaven, whereas a compassionate atheist would suffer eternally simply for choosing to exercise rational thinking. Doesn't that seem screwed up to you? And don't give me the "wages of sin is death" bullshit because as far as I'm concerned, only one of the ten commandments qualifies, and I'm pretty sure I haven't committed murder.
I avoid stealing and killing because they're dick things to do, not because I feel like I'm being judged.
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the bizzle
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Re: Know Where Your Going After You Die??? [Re: tripstr]
#13061809 - 08/17/10 12:26 AM (2 years, 9 months ago) |
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tripstr said:
Let me ask you a few questions:
-Do you consider yourself to be a good person?
Lets find out...
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-Have you ever lied?
that does not determine whether or not you are a good person. I once tortured a mouse as a child but now I see myself a no more important than the mouse and even aside from that just have a love for animals. Likewise, if a terrorist with a bomb strapped to his chest asked me where the most populated city building or church was, I might give him directions to the middle of nowhere. Although in general I do make it a point to be as honest and truthful as possible
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-Have you ever stolen anything?
I once stole a nuke from someone who was about to blow up NYC, and then disposed of it safely
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-Have you ever blasphemed Gods name?
I dont understand the question. If one were to say "fuck God", they are just lost, and not necessarily bad. Also, I'm sure if I were to say "JESUS FUCKING CHRIST", and then looked over and saw Jesus, we could both share a good laugh. He's cool like that. I think intent is a lot more important than a sound. "GODDAMN!" could mean "WOW, god's creation is mindblowingly awesome
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-Jesus said that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart (Matthew 5:28), have you looked with lust?
you cannot commit adultery if you are single and so is the woman. You cannot create a child, one of the most holy of acts, without at least some bit of lust. I don't try to hook up with women who have families out of respect for the importance of family
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So if God were to judge you by the ten commandments, which we only went through four of them, would you be guilty?
God is not a person waiting to judge you. God is the energy in all things, and this kind of "judgment" is happening at every moment, something some call cause and effect
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And trust in Jesus alone for salvation.
So you mean Jesus does all the work?
to me, if god were to speak, he would say "Here, I give you everything, just don't expect me to do all the work"
that whole god helps those who help themselves thang. Not in a selfish way, but if you just sat on the couch and waited for Jesus to save everything, it wouldn't happen.
and on the subject of "do you know where you're going when you die?"
YOU definitely do not know where you or any of us are going when we die, so don't be so arrogant as to assume you do, and don't use anything you gathered from the outside world (things written way before your time, for example) as support for your arrogance
the only assumption of where you go when you die that has a remote chance of accuracy is "the source" from which everything comes and goes, but even that cannot be for sure
so, everything returns to god in some way or another, which means that even in death, you won't be better than other people.
Do I know where I'm going when I die?
no, but I know where it aint, which would be Hell, because I see everything as part of "god." Getting beat in the face might be hellish, but hey, its all part of god's creation
Just where could God be, but in everything?
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Silversoul
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Re: Know Where Your Going After You Die??? [Re: tripstr]
#13063199 - 08/17/10 11:15 AM (2 years, 9 months ago) |
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It's threads like these that make me ashamed to call myself a Christian. When will people see that scriptural literalism is itself a form of idolatry?
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Icelander
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Re: Know Where Your Going After You Die??? [Re: Silversoul]
#13063233 - 08/17/10 11:29 AM (2 years, 9 months ago) |
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Considering the type of dissension in this thread I'd lock it or move it.
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"Hang on tightly, let go lightly" -anonymous
“under the present brutal and primitive conditions on this planet, every person you meet should be regarded as one of the walking wounded. we have never seen a man or woman not slightly deranged by either anxiety or grief. we have never seen a totally sane human being.”
― Robert Anton Wilson
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Diablojoe420
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Re: Know Where Your Going After You Die??? [Re: Icelander]
#13063480 - 08/17/10 12:47 PM (2 years, 9 months ago) |
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Or just live and let live.
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Icelander
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Re: Know Where Your Going After You Die??? [Re: Diablojoe420]
#13063560 - 08/17/10 01:06 PM (2 years, 9 months ago) |
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That doesn't seem to be going on here. However in my home forum this would be pretty tame.
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"Hang on tightly, let go lightly" -anonymous
“under the present brutal and primitive conditions on this planet, every person you meet should be regarded as one of the walking wounded. we have never seen a man or woman not slightly deranged by either anxiety or grief. we have never seen a totally sane human being.”
― Robert Anton Wilson
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