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 montycantsin
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 Re: the use of salt in fighting trich [Re: Hippie3]
#12092938 - 02/24/10 11:34 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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Started my first bulk grow with four bucket o'fungi a la otto's tek. WBS 100% colonized with PE spawned to coir/verm/coffee/gyp (65/20/10/5)
Just a test run before throwing all my eggs into one giant monotub, (58qt sterlite,) which is colonizing quite nicely at this point, by the by. Make some serious mistakes and learn from them, you know? Best way to learn.
Anyhoo, of the four, I lost one pretty early on to trich, (couldn't help my curiosity peaking in to see how everything was coming along,) and I immediately threw the bucket out. In about a week, two more of my buckets succumbed to trich, but I decided to see if I couldn't fight the blasted mold instead of just giving up.
Found this salt technique and thought I was saved, and did some quick surgery and salted myself some wounds. While I was seeing if it worked, I found several cats talking about how trichoderma mycelium is white and the green that one sees in the mold sporulating. (I love how all of these mycology terms, firefox doesn't know. hehehe.)
From what I understood, by the time you see green, the mold has taken hold and you're fucked. And after about 30+ hours, I saw myself some sporulating trichoderma. Out of curiosity, I just through the buckets in my laundry room, which is no where near where any of my operations, and decided to come what may. (an important detail about this space is that it's where our house litter box is and we have three cats. The owner of the cats doesn't clean up after them very often. Not my cats, not my mess, not my problem. But the skinny is that this is far from the most sanitary of rooms. In fact, it's FUCKING DISGUSTING.)
Fast forward to about a month later, the last bucket I had has pinned and is making me cum in my pants a little every time I peak in to see its progress. Monotub is incubating, have myself a gallon of spawn and a PC full of pasteurized sub. Figure it's time to clean out my failed buckets and start another batch because, why the hell not? Has the spawn, sub, space, and time.
At some point, a roommate of mine stacked the buckets one in another, blocking any and all FAE for the bucket on the bottom. I pull the top one off, remove the shower cap and there is the notorious trich, thriving in the dank, darkness that was its home. Though, on the top bucket, there is an area of brown where I cut the trich out, but it's mostly white. Not really thinking about it, I dump the contents of both containers into a bag to throw it away.
Curiosity gets the best of me and I pick up what I feel is garbage to inspect it, maybe break it apart and see what I can't see when I notice mushrooms growing! Upon further inspection, there is a fuckton of side pinning, primordia, hyphal knots galore, and no green!
No misting, no fanning, natural indirect sunlight, and this shit STILL managed to survive. Now my baby's in my room and will get the delicious mist/fan treatment that it prolly craves so hard.
tl;dr
Had trich, cut out the green, salted the area, misted heavily, and threw the bucket into an extremely unsanitary room, (with great FAE,) and neglected it for a month and my PE cubensis kicked it's ass and is within a week of harvest.
Many thanks to OP, and good luck to all those battling the green death. Despite the naysayers out there, I am pretty convinced that the salting tek holds some water. One thing I don't think can be reiterated enough is that trich can not survive with FAE. It needs stale and moist environment. Starve it of that and hopefully, your mushies will stand a chance to grow.
Hope my experience helps.
edit: Pulled the sub out to harvest the mutant side blobWonder s, (hurray PE!) that were my first flush and on the top, which was resting on the bottom of the bucket as I flipped it to accommodate the side pinning, was thriving with trich. Still more pins and blobs growing. Wonder how much longer my mycelium will last.
In the end, I didn't kill trich, but I deterred it enough to get a small harvest. Somethin's better than nothing, no?
Edited by montycantsin (03/04/10 07:00 AM)
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ninjaneo
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Re: The use of salt in fighting trichoderma mold [Re: Hippie3]
#12098169 - 02/25/10 07:15 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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btw, i know this idea isn't original, but i'm wondering why it's recieved so little attention. i found a few posts like from 2 years ago mentioning its' use but seems like everyone just sez 'toss it out' instead of listening to what the guy was saying.
Yeah, I agree, this sounds very interesting, and worth a shot... I've been IRC'ing for weeks and the only "option" presented there has been "throw it out".
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Hofmann1943
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Re: The use of salt in fighting trichoderma mold [Re: ninjaneo]
#12101801 - 02/26/10 11:28 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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so what you just put salt on the trichoderma or what?
what salt? Sea salt or something else???
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By Albert Hofmann :
Been cautious man, I though I would start with a smallest, smallest quantity. Namely I started with 0.25mg.....and my intention was to increase dosage to see if something will happened.
That very small dosage, the first dose of my experiments i planed, was very very strong.
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Hofmann1943
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Re: The use of salt in fighting trichoderma mold [Re: Hofmann1943]
#12102077 - 02/26/10 12:11 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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sorry didn't see there's 4 pages
salt hey I give it a try, have some sea salt right here and some trich also 
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By Albert Hofmann :
Been cautious man, I though I would start with a smallest, smallest quantity. Namely I started with 0.25mg.....and my intention was to increase dosage to see if something will happened.
That very small dosage, the first dose of my experiments i planed, was very very strong.
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 BlueDruid
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Re: The use of salt in fighting trichoderma mold [Re: Hofmann1943]
#13951786 - 02/12/11 02:03 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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I see an interesting early post
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Whiterasta said:
I simply case with 50/50 peat/cat litter w/baking soda(I rinse the litter clear then add peat)since going to this formula I have NO trich what-so-ever 
PS the litter is made by Oil-Dri corp(google it baby!) and is a Si/Ca, w/trace Mg expanded clay with NaHCO2.I wash till clear and add Ascorbic acid till Ph7 and then mix with peat moss.IMHO it is the Sodium which inhibits trich which is why it seems the Sodium Ascorbate works so well.
PS this also seems to inhibit bluing in the fruits.WR
Baking soda is Sodium Bicarbonate, table salt Sodium Chloride. Is there a particular proprty of sodium (in different forms) to inhibit or kill off trich.
Has anyone else used any forms of sodium as an additive to bulk grows to discourage Trich? It doesn't sound like table salt would work for this as it'd kill off the mycellium but I'm interested in the feasability of using other forms of sodium to discourage Trich growth.
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Re: The use of salt in fighting trichoderma mold [Re: BlueDruid]
#14084032 - 03/07/11 09:09 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Hope I never have to try it.
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Re: The use of salt in fighting trichoderma mold [Re: 3n1gm4]
#14311114 - 04/18/11 08:39 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Hello all... I am a newb at this so forgive me if this is a stupid question. I read the entire thread because so far 4/6 of my pf tek BRF jars have got green in them (about 2 weeks after inoculation). This is quite disheartening for me. I'd like to be able to save them if I can but is the salt tek purely for cakes AFTER they have been birthed?
From my understanding I can't "cut away" the moldy parts while they are still in the jar, so they would have to be birthed and then cut out, and then... do I put them back into the jars?? Or just try to fruit them as-is?
Thank you all...
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Re: The use of salt in fighting trichoderma mold [Re: maitai]
#14313864 - 04/18/11 08:02 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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You can't cut away mold, and it does little good to salt it unless you're within a day or so of harvest. Even then, I wouldn't.
If your jars are contaminated 2 weeks after inoculation, check your sterile procedure as far as wiping down with alcohol, use of glovebox, flame sterilize the needle until red hot, etc.
RIP to the original poster. It seems strange to see the name hippie3 pop on screen again.
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Re: The use of salt in fighting trichoderma mold [Re: RogerRabbit]
#14316220 - 04/19/11 08:15 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Quote:
RogerRabbit said:
You can't cut away mold, and it does little good to salt it unless you're within a day or so of harvest. Even then, I wouldn't.
If your jars are contaminated 2 weeks after inoculation, check your sterile procedure as far as wiping down with alcohol, use of glovebox, flame sterilize the needle until red hot, etc.
RIP to the original poster. It seems strange to see the name hippie3 pop on screen again.
RR
If you have seen trich before and know what it looks like in its dormant state before it turns green, is it possible to cut it away before it spreads or releases spores and then salt the wound?
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Re: The use of salt in fighting trichoderma mold [Re: 3n1gm4]
#14321648 - 04/20/11 05:17 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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this could work.
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By Albert Hofmann :
Been cautious man, I though I would start with a smallest, smallest quantity. Namely I started with 0.25mg.....and my intention was to increase dosage to see if something will happened.
That very small dosage, the first dose of my experiments i planed, was very very strong.
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Re: the use of salt in fighting trich [Re: montycantsin]
#14322986 - 04/20/11 12:11 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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montycantsin said:
Pulled the sub out to harvest the mutant side blobWonder s, (hurray PE!) that were my first flush and on the top, which was resting on the bottom of the bucket as I flipped it to accommodate the side pinning, was thriving with trich. Still more pins and blobs growing. Wonder how much longer my mycelium will last.
In the end, I didn't kill trich, but I deterred it enough to get a small harvest. Somethin's better than nothing, no?
And you disappeared two weeks later, never to be heard from again. Undoubtedly all those trich spores ruined your place for ever growing again.
Boys and girls, this is EXACTLY why one should toss out contaminated substrates on sight. Don't try to cut the mold out, don't salt it don't do anything but get it outside if you ever plan on growing in that house again. There may be trich spores in the air everywhere, but not in the huge quantities you'll get from leaving a trich infested substrate indoors.
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Re: the use of salt in fighting trich [Re: RogerRabbit]
#15568291 - 12/24/11 06:36 PM (5 months, 2 days ago) |
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Can you give the tub some fresh air to keep it from getting contaminated if you think it may be too wet?  also does this look like it's infected too?
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Re: the use of salt in fighting trich [Re: memberjockey]
#15797270 - 02/12/12 11:09 AM (3 months, 14 days ago) |
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Quote:
memberjockey said:
Can you give the tub some fresh air to keep it from getting contaminated if you think it may be too wet? also does this look like it's infected too?
Highjacker
yes and yes
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By Albert Hofmann :
Been cautious man, I though I would start with a smallest, smallest quantity. Namely I started with 0.25mg.....and my intention was to increase dosage to see if something will happened.
That very small dosage, the first dose of my experiments i planed, was very very strong.
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Re: the use of salt in fighting trich [Re: Hofmann1943]
#15861680 - 02/25/12 11:41 AM (3 months, 1 day ago) |
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So thers no cuming back from trIch
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